The Umineko Experience: Episode 5

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  • @rkr9861
    @rkr9861 3 ปีที่แล้ว +210

    You skipped my favorite moment: the one where you realize that Erika went out in the middle of a typhoon with a ladder and duct-taped all of the guest house's windows shut and verbalize, "What's WRONG with you!?"

    • @UselessDischarge
      @UselessDischarge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      I really love how that moment was presented in Manga. "A disgusting eerie spider crawling the walls in the storm"

    • @TheAugustHail
      @TheAugustHail  3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      Such an incredible feat is possible for Furudo Erika haha

    • @TheGoldenAlchemist86
      @TheGoldenAlchemist86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@UselessDischarge Akitaka’s artist depictions was arguably the best in the series. I still think about the page of Beatrice about to get eaten by the goats and Erika’s terrifying expressions

    • @UselessDischarge
      @UselessDischarge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@TheGoldenAlchemist86 Strongly agreed, the way he draws characters in episode 5 was incredibly memorable. There are so many amazing smug Erika expressions

    • @SanraiDalris
      @SanraiDalris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, episode 5 was particularly good in the manga, specifically because you could tell the mangaka had love for Erika.

  • @Asehpe
    @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Yes, Natsuhi has a Big Sin. Yes, she threw that baby and that servant off that cliff, and thus made herself more than morally reprehensible -- she committed a crime that should be punished with prison. And yet... and yet! What Erika did with her was so cruel and heartless, we can't but root for her. Think about that: Here we all are, rooting for the woman who threw a baby off a cliff. How dare we? How dare we be angry at Erika for opposing her -- even if it is for the wrong crime? And yet... And YET!...
    Another quote Umineko is famous for is: Every crime has a criminal, and every criminal has a heart. If you haven't understood this heart, then you haven't really understood -- or solved -- the crime. We see Natsuhi's heart, we understand her situation. We feel empathy, even sympathy. Are we, however, excusing her actions? I suppose not. And yet... we can feel Natsuhi's oh so human pain, and understand her oh so human motivations...
    What this makes me think of is our impression that crimes are ultimately simple things, that have perpetrators that should be punished. That punishment is what a criminal deserves. Would we really think like that if we could understand all criminals' hearts? Then what is it that we should do about crime, and with criminals? ... What's our philosophy for dealing with humans who do horrible things?
    Umineko talks a lot about love. Let's say a test of the 'power of love' would be precisely that. Is love (without which 'it' cannot be seen) what we should use to look at criminals and think about what to do with them? If so, what is it that love tells us to do? Will it really work? Are we willing to do it?... These are some darn difficult questions.
    Umineko is really smart.

  • @Asehpe
    @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    "A parallel between Natsuhi and Maria." Yes, and in addition the idea that 'exposing the truth' is sometimes a violation of another person's deepest privacy, the inner space of their own minds. In a sense, there is something inherently violent to wanting to tear off the truth and expose it... it's kind of harmonious in this sense that Erika, who is so keen on doing that -- who cannot stand illusions or lies -- calls herself an "intellectual rapist."
    And to push even further the parallel with Maria... The question there was also "is Maria happy? Is Maria's happiness true?" and even though Ange teetered on the brink of doing that -- of 'destroying' Maria's 'illusion' -- she ultimately refrained herself and did not. Not simply because "you have to let kids believe in Santa Claus" -- but for a deeper reason. Because there is something just as pathetic in wanting to refuse the possibility of happiness unless, as Maria put it, EVERY single unhappy fragment (= unhappy interpretation of one's circumstances) is THOROUGHLY excluded. If you set your own threshold of happiness at such a high leve... can YOU ever be happy? If happiness is not an "objective" thing (there are no "molecules of happiness" that you can detect with a microscope), then... then wanting to "expose" Maria's happiness as false is not really "exposing the truth" at all, but rather something else. Well, that which Ange refrained from doing and finally understood, years after breaking up with Maria and Mariage Sorcière... Erika never did understand or accept at all. Ange would have become another Erika if she hadn't finally gotten it, if she hadn't understood the depth of Maria's happiness. So Ange ended up being ANGE Beatrice, the last of the Golden Witches, who will live for a thousand years (that's TRUE! Because witches 'exist'!), while Erika is just the intellectual rapist who lives for the thrill of seeing 'that look' on a person's face when she exposes 'the truth'.
    So, who's right here, who's doing the right thing? Is Bernkastel exposing Natsuhi... or herself? Is Natsuhi really pathetic... or is Bernkastel pathetic? Heh heh heh...

  • @azashiro13
    @azashiro13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    man, i want to see "battler and the servants vs dlanor and erika" animated so bad. also battler jumping out the window is a ceritified classic.

  • @altair5870
    @altair5870 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Ive got a lot of fave moments here. Episode 5 took the mystery aspect of Umineko to the highest level by showing firsthand to the readers how to shatter the Illusion of the Witch by incorporating a *COMPETENT*, (im looking at you Battler), detective in the game.
    My top fave moment is the Tea Party for the Nonhumans, the part where Battler was reminiscing his talk with Virgilia and Dlanor in the garden. That whole scene was basically a deconstruction of the mystery genre and at its core, explicitly hinting what kind of mystery story Umineko is. As someone whos a fan of mystery stories, this was such a huge fanservice. Other fave moments would obviously be the Battler scenes, such as the chapter where they debated how Kinzo got out of his study; Battler and Beatrice's struggles to defend Natsuhi to the end; and Battler reaching the truth and becoming a fully-fledged Sorcerer, beating the shht out of Erika and co. Another one of my fave moments will be that little romance backstory between Krauss and Natsuhi cause it was heartwarming asf. As someone who liked Natsuhi being so earnest and responsible most of the time, Im glad she was happy with the marriage to Krauss. Krauss is such a dumbo tho lol

    • @MiloKuroshiro
      @MiloKuroshiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      5 and 6 are basically tutorials about how we should approach the mysteries. It's so good

  • @Asehpe
    @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    "There must the two personalities then." Well, isn't that how the game is played? There's a Battler in Purgatorio, and there's a Battler on the game board, right? So there's a Beatrice on the game board, as well as the now speechless Beatrice in Purgatorio, the meta-space.

    • @carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255
      @carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You could argue that a third space gets created the moment that meta characters appear in the game board. Piece Battler wouldn't talk to Beatrice nor hold her in his arms after escaping. So there's a clear meta world, a clear game world, and occasions where the meta world interferes in the game world, as well as occasions where the pieces are allowed to talk and interact in the meta-verse, like in the court at the end of episode 5.

  • @srlaito4061
    @srlaito4061 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    We have reached moon tourism

    • @Asehpe
      @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh we're getting there. Just ask Jeff Bezos. Krauss WAS right, just... a little ahead of the time. But if he had lived and waited long enough, EVENTUALLY his investment would have paid off. BIG TIME!

  • @hoshiyomi421
    @hoshiyomi421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    My best moment of the eps is when I solved everything just about the same time Battler solved everything. I know some people solved the mystery by the end of eps 4, but I was new to classic murder mystery genre. But when I solved them by applying Knox's decalogue to all previous tales, the feeling I was proud of with the achievement just can't be described. Well, I am still one eps too late, so I was actually as incompetent as Battler.

    • @UselessDischarge
      @UselessDischarge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Honestly I mostly solved it by coincidence, at that part Battler was talking about collecting the pieces like sand and the wording combined with the music suddenly gave me a flashback to the beach scene in the first episode. (the one where Battler was just hanging out with cousins) and the answers suddenly hit me.

    • @TheAugustHail
      @TheAugustHail  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha nice! I'm honestly not too good at mysteries, so thinking through this has been quite the struggle lol

    • @kyleco9149
      @kyleco9149 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tbh I haven't even solved the mystery yet until ep 7 but still ep 5 tea party made me cry

  • @sebastianmagdalena5591
    @sebastianmagdalena5591 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Natsuhi is such a good character

  • @clevomon
    @clevomon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Gotta be the moment after Battler discovers the truth. His helpless yelling with together with the music is just amazing. Daisuke Ono knocked it out of the ballpark with the voice acting.

    • @Asehpe
      @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Next time with Beato in his arms!

  • @gamerx1133
    @gamerx1133 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Interesting thing is, at the end, fighting against Dlanor butler actually uses Knox Commandments to beat her, defeating her in her own game. Chad butler.

  • @lerisia231
    @lerisia231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    When I finished the whole game and re-read the last moment of Beato in this ep., the feeling and meaning of those words was impressed me more than first playthrough because we know why and the meaning of it. Become my favourite episode of this game.

    • @TheAugustHail
      @TheAugustHail  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Might come back that moment to see if I can remember lol

  • @ZetaStriker0000
    @ZetaStriker0000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Oh, and to answer your question at the end of the video, while my favorite moment of the episode is of course Battler coming back too late after Beato has already died, I think I will instead say that my favorite new plot element is actually the introduction of the Man from 19 Years Ago. It drastically changes the context of what we know and makes us think about 1967 again after a long period of that plot point being dropped. It's left vague who the baby is and what it really means, but its existence drastically changes any conversation about what led up to the crimes.
    One other note though, after Battler kind of directly gives you a cipher on how to think about previous episodes, the end of Episode 5 is a great point to stop and try to think again about previous episodes. His notes on how to interpret magic scenes in particular - asking you to question why magic was used and to be suspicious of everyone who sees it - really changes the context of scenes from earlier episodes that most readers might not have thought as critically about the first time through. Episode 6 is another good time to do this, but you'll really do yourself a disservice if you go into Episode 7 without a solid theory on everything that's going on, so you definitely want to do this now or after next episode.

  • @cricket3790
    @cricket3790 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    my favorite moment was definitely the battler vs dlanor battle at the end... he went from denying witches and demons to having his demon homies helping him out. proud of my boy

  • @ziggymcdougal
    @ziggymcdougal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "Yes, your majesty"

  • @viberum6415
    @viberum6415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    this episode solidifies me loving Natsuhi and absolutely loathing Erika!

  • @Asehpe
    @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Oh yes, the Golden Truth... Hey, just because it's now Chiru, and Battler has finally found the answer and solved the puzzle, one shouldn't assume Umineko does not have more puzzles for us to solve!

  • @necroleis
    @necroleis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a floridian who barbecued during a hurricane. I can confirm the jumping out the window to is a thing.

  • @artificialdevil-sm
    @artificialdevil-sm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Favorite Moment of Ep5:
    When Battler finally truly fights on the same side as Beatrice, leaps out the window in Kinzo's study and then coaxing her to do the same. I played with the original sprites, so I didn't get that lovely CG of him catching her, but it was still a very impactful moment for me.

  • @AzureBlast
    @AzureBlast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    39:25 is my exact reaction during this part...
    So when I was talking about you having to include the tea parties it was mostly with Episode 5 in mind since it kept its climax in the secret tea party at the very end.
    My favourite part is either the ??? or the battle of Kinzo's closed room. Wasn't too big a fan of the trial because Erika was being handed 'precious' red truths left and right. Plus the fact that we knew Kinzo is dead it made the whole thing feel aggravating and long.
    Another really good part though is the flashback that Battler has about Knox and Virgillia. It changed mind about the Knox commandments (which I had only just learnt about from Umineko anyways) and also served as the scene that really pushed me towards trying to solve the mysteries since it made it feel somewhat personal? It made me feel like Ryukishi was asking me as the reader to have a go at it and I felt like it would be disrespectful to his work if I declined and didn't do it.
    Speaking of, now that you're presumably used to the rules of Umineko and the way the red truths are twisted, it would be great if you started telling us more about you theories on the Who How and Why. Episode 6 is technically also a 'hints' arc but it becomes super blatant from the beginning...

  • @ZetaStriker0000
    @ZetaStriker0000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Haha, looks like you had the same reaction as a friend of mine did to this episode during our book club that was his first read of it. We had a conversation that basically went:
    Him: "Natsuhi doesn't deserve this. She did the least wrong of all the adults!"
    Me: "What about the murder?"
    Him: "Well, except for the murder . . ."
    XD

    • @TheAugustHail
      @TheAugustHail  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Shhhhh don't worry about itttt

  • @TheGoldenAlchemist86
    @TheGoldenAlchemist86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My two favorite moments in episode 5 was the introduction of the baby from 19 years ago and Beato’s breakdown with Battler during the court proceedings. It verified my theory and who the culprit is and how they exist as the culprit

  • @DuckGoesQuack
    @DuckGoesQuack 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Knox secret 11th commandment: the answer must always be 'small bombs'

  • @UselessDischarge
    @UselessDischarge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I've discovered your series about a week ago and I must say watching you react to my favourite vn feels incredible, keep up the great work!

  • @viberum6415
    @viberum6415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Krauss TO THE MOON business sounds logical

  • @BoyHedgehog
    @BoyHedgehog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Now you can finally watch ''Uminkeo OTS's be like'' hahaha.wav

  • @thepotato3487
    @thepotato3487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    OH YESS my favorite episode

  • @AnarchyMitsukai
    @AnarchyMitsukai ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Playing through this episode with the Umineko Project/Switch version, it's amazing just how much extra life it adds to the presentation when you just add a few things such a lip syncing and full animations for the red and blue arguments in the ???? segment.

  • @Asehpe
    @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Did you notice, by the way, that Dlanor's name is just Ronald backwards (as in Ronald Knox, the author of Knox's decalogue?)...

  • @ihbus
    @ihbus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    BEST GIRL ERIKA IS HERE LETS GOOOOO

  • @Asehpe
    @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My favorite moment?... It would have to be Beatrice's death right before Battler finally solved the puzzle. "Liar... Thank you... Goodbye... and... Sorry..." :'-(

  • @Wish7s
    @Wish7s 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Me and my friend squealed like children when Battler used the golden truth

  • @Asehpe
    @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Heartless bastard!"... But did you see what Erika said right after claiming that you can only trust the red truth, that nothing not said in red is not to be trusted?... I think it is getting quite clear by now why it is that Erika is this way. She was betrayed... and she ... became an intellectual rapist as a revenge. She might just as well be saying, "they say they love you, and then they do THIS to you... how CAN you believe in anything except the red truth?"... Erika's rejoinder to "without love 'it' cannot be seen" is famously "love makes you see things that aren't there." Two sides of the same coin, the pain and the pleasure, the good and the bad.
    I pity Erika. She's also, like so many other characters, ... gone through some stuff.
    On a lighter tone, though... I must say I love it when Erika goes all "oh my master!" on Bernkastel. It makes her look sooooo kyuuute, haauuu... I wanna take her home...

  • @Estraneo
    @Estraneo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another great video! The trial was definitely the hardest part of this episode to get through, but I appreciated just how thorough it was. And Erika is such a delightfully wretched villain. She hits that perfect spot for me where I love how much I hate her and hate how much I love her.
    As for my favorite part of this episode, it's got to be the discussion between Dlanor and Battler in the garden. Though, obviously, it's mostly important for illustrating the nature of Beatrice's challenge to Battler, I can't help but also adore it for helping me define what I enjoy about fiction. That a good story feels like an unanswered love letter where an author has put themselves out there in honest hope that, as a reader, you'll engage with them. That the most satisfying mysteries are the ones where you reach the truth, whether by your own hand or the author's, and you can look back at the journey you've walked and see all the places where the author trusted you would see their truth, even if it meant you might find the answers before the narrative's climax.
    That's one of the parts I really loved about re-reading Umineko with a friend a year ago. I kept seeing all these points where, if I had read just a little more closely the first time, I could have seen the truth of things.

  • @gilliank.7760
    @gilliank.7760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Erika is one of those characters you just love to hate. She's so frustrating and off-putting, but she's a great antagonist. And, in a way, necessary to figuring out the truth. Because, as the game says, without love the truth cannot be seen. But, you need at least a little bit of that ruthlessness to put aside your fondness for these characters, your wish that they aren't the ones at fault, to make an accusation.
    There are honestly too many great parts in this episode to choose just one; but the entire scene in Kinzo's study where Battler proves Kinzo could have gotten out, and that CG of him catching Beato is a great highlight.

  • @RandomGuy010
    @RandomGuy010 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good series. I'm having a blast revisiting Umineko.
    It hits different now than back during the original release when I was still a teenager.

  • @alexisfiodarau169
    @alexisfiodarau169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Next time, it's episode 6, my favorite. I am so hyped

  • @mouselord4167
    @mouselord4167 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the 7th arc the most, and it is SOOO good.

  • @arpitpandey992
    @arpitpandey992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    An hour well spent, Thanks!

  • @cadr003
    @cadr003 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh god theres too many good moments

  • @violetvita4218
    @violetvita4218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I repeat, I love this playthrough! You're doing great! I literally am so excited for the next couple of episodes and your reaction to the truth and ending. Also I mentioned it before but I hope you react or read on your own time certain aspects of episode 7 and 8 of the manga since they contain crucial details that the vn doesn't have. Really the most important aspect is "Confession of the Golden Witch" which you can actually watch videos of on youtube with the appropriate umineko music added to them. :)

  • @morganlefae2834
    @morganlefae2834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Keep up the good work with this series. I absolutely love it

  • @fjordon87
    @fjordon87 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Erika: Kinzo couldn't *REALLY* jump out the window right guys?
    Ushiromiyas: Nah he'd do it

  • @TheSoreIka
    @TheSoreIka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw in the comments you and mysteries are not your strong suit. So, Word of Advice: After Reading Episode 7, PLEASE read the Episode 7 Manga. It has a very specific manga exclusive chapter that is not in the Visual Novel that is CRUCIAL to the story and certain manga panels through out the episode that contextualizes everything. But a heads up, by the end of Episode 6 the reader is expected to have the core mystery solved. For those whom have read the Episode 7 visual novel, you can specifically look up the manga exclusive chapter I mentioned before, its called Confessions of the Golden witch. I did a thoughts video on it on my TH-cam channel discussing it if anyone is interested.

  • @Blarglesnarfe
    @Blarglesnarfe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Almost forgot to watch these videos today.

  • @HemborgerChariotsUploadMess
    @HemborgerChariotsUploadMess 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I heavily recommend you take a break in between episodes 6 and 7, and try to formulate a theory for every mystery in this game. Episode 7 is effectively 20 hours of direct answers. Episodes 5 and 6 are full of extra hints, but don't outright answer shit yet. Good luck.

  • @Asehpe
    @Asehpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Hey. I thought you hadn't finished that game yet." Well, Lambda said she wasn't done with Higurashi at the end of Ep. 3, right? We're in Ep. 5 now -- I'm sure she's had more than enough time to finish reading it. (And, on a meta-narrative level, I think this is Ryukishi laughing at the readers who thought something like the Rokkenjima syndrome or the Purupuyu Pikopuyu drug would explain everything... 'As if I, as an author, would stoop to using the same solution twice in two different works!')

  • @KnightCrown
    @KnightCrown 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You really gotta start streaming the entire thing

  • @knicknevin9975
    @knicknevin9975 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "What's the gold truth do?" "I dunno, lol. Fuck it. It just wins."

  • @Witch_of_Pandemonium
    @Witch_of_Pandemonium 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeeeees finally

  • @angelhucast
    @angelhucast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally :D!

  • @eessppeenn001
    @eessppeenn001 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish I could have watched the full play though

  • @necroleis
    @necroleis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Erika Furudo..... Reminds me of Rena from the cricket game.

  • @sesgsi
    @sesgsi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:20 PLEASE BE MY GAME MASTER

  • @s0niKu
    @s0niKu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Erika is Best Girl. Fight me.

  • @NumenEloha
    @NumenEloha 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    18:05 I feel it :( xd

  • @schrodingersorangecat3278
    @schrodingersorangecat3278 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ahh I'm a bit late as I didn't notice that you uploaded 😢
    Just here to say don't worry too much on the fact didn't solve the mystery quite thoroughly yet, there's a lot of fellow Seacats that didn't even solve it until the reveal 😂
    Well, *that includes me ( ノ ゚ー゚)ノ*

  • @307nishchay8
    @307nishchay8 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys just wont understand when i say how much i hate erika and bern.
    The moment i saw their faces twist in jealousy and surprise when my boy battler became warlock, i was about to die of happiness.
    Every time erika loses i gain a new life.
    If erika was a my realtive's kid , istg i would not hesitate to beat her right in front of her own parents without any reason.

  • @ObsidianFaux
    @ObsidianFaux 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Haha I love this

  • @inukiparadinum7545
    @inukiparadinum7545 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Noice