Great show! Booker said it best, that you can't just put together great talent and expect successful outcomes. Attention to the details matter. A wild season of ups and really low lows has highlighted a host of issues. Maybe there is a serious coaching issue (I think coaching issues are too much an inside baseball thing for fans to reliably call -- reports like those from the Athletic don't convince me), but there is definitely a ball handling issue (results: turnovers and getting into offensive sets too late); there is a size and athleticism issue (results: poor rebounding and POA defense). People act like teams or players can't improve. Its just not true. Every good team today has had years to improve to get to where they are. Go Suns!
Let’s be honest though. The suns got extremely lucky in the playoffs that year. Yall have short memories. Everybody was hurt during that post season. It was an easy path to the finals
@tommartyn524 do you not watch basketball every year? That literally happens every season. Giannis and dame are out right now. Jimmy butler is out. Lmao
The Booker Suns team that went to finals wasn't a better team than this years Suns team, but the difference is they reached their ceiling, and Monty Williams kept that team playing consistently at their celing. It took time to find and build that teams foundation and identity. This years Suns team has a lot higher celing than that team, if we could just get all the players playing to their full potential consistently with the guidance of the right coach they can beat Minisota and contend for a championship. I watched every Suns game this year and I never saw one complete game with all players playing at their celing. Minisota and Denver know their identities right now and are playing consistently at their celing. Let's get a better coach that will fix issues that will lead these Suns players to find their identity and rolls on this team that will allow each player to grow and play as a team in there defined rolls to reach their peak/celing consistently as a team. The Suns looked out of sync all year.
If as a young team u reach the NBA finals in your first playoff run, thats your ceiling? Id say your ceiling is contending for 10 more years! And as for current team's ceiling it is an illusion. Suns were actually surprisingly healthy this year - year before each of Book, KD, Nurk and Beal missed about 30 games. This year it was only Beal.... Also next year we are paying big 3 150 mln and we already seen it fail with 2 sets of cheap players around them. What is the ceiling of that? You are crazy dude.
A coach doesn't fix this team. They weren't even playing hard. They couldn't hang onto the ball. A point guard and a new coach would help but the roster construction is just bad from top to bottom. Nurkic is terrible too.
@sirbarles4808 A coach is there to put his team in the best position to win, theres a obvious reason why Monty Williams isn't still the Suns coach, but Frank Vogel is for sure not the answer. We need a strong coach that will call out star players out on their poor play, bench them if necessary, like our old coach Cotton Fitzsimmons, who got the most out of average teams.
I remember D Book at the beginning of the season saying something to the effect "respectfully, i don't know how teams are going to be able to defend us" 😂😂😂
For decades the KD trade will be the example of an all in move that failed. James Jones is done as a gm. Suns should asap hire new one. He will not have immidiate impact unless he manages to trade Beal and KD which may be impossible but he should start preparing team for rebuild. The sooner the better.
Stop saying it has failed when we still have another year or two with KD. If the Suns don’t won a chip while KD is on the team, then you can say it has failed.
@@LukeWeyrauch93 Our best shot was last year while CP3 was still here... This season was last chance. Next year will be just pain and suffering. With increased salaries and 2nd apron kicking in It will be much harder to build around big 3 (and we have seen how hard its already been). We also were actually very lucky with injuries this season... It could have been MUCH worse. Other teams are improving we are just getting older... Keep coping dude.
First off it didn't become a disaster until the Brad Beal trade not a sun's fan but big fan of James Jones. You should be smart enough to know none of this happens until the new owner comes. Put the blame in its proper place.
The Big 3 can definitely work, but those two other starters have to be big, physical, athletic defenders. One should be able to shoot 3s, and the other should be a true defensive anchor and lob threat. Forget about your feelings toward Ayton or if Ayton asked to be traded or if he quit or something; talk about fit only, Ayton was probably the probably best fit to complement the Big 3. There are better centers out there, but either they have no defense, no offense, can't shoot FT or they're injury-prone. Ayton provides everything despite not being great at anything besides finishing lobs, which is something Nurkic provides zero of. So sad that we didn't just do the simple thing of babying Ayton to keep his emotions in check, he is what he is, with Ayton now Suns would be in a much better place as we really only need to find a young PJ Tucker/Jae Crowder, instead now we need to find a Jae Crowder and Capela, and fill out the bench...
Nope the big 3 is not good enough. The team needs a rebuilt roster. The bench is frail. The suns have to open the NBA portal to pick and choose. I expected a game 7. I have no words for Nurkic. He needs help.
Maybe they are good enough but Vogel is not the coach to unlock their full potential. If I’m the GM, im definitely replacing Vogel and I’m open to trying to trade KD or Beal as impossible or difficult as it may be. Book was his best when he had a true PG next to him and Beal ain’t that. Also we should not be starting three guards like Vogel did all season meaning Grayson or Beal will need to come off the bench. My concern even before the season started was that the roster was to guard heavy
If by "contend" you mean posting a good record in the regular season and getting swept in Round 1 of the playoffs then, yes, they're good enough to contend. If you're talking about matching up with actual championship contenders...no chance Captain. Need two-way players and GRIT.
2 volume scorers is enough, 3 is redundant. Also, you need 1 good-great point of attack defender, 1 sound facilitator/pg, and a big who can grab boards and defend. 2 scoring stars+3 complementary pieces that’s coached well will be a much better team than this one.
I know everyone keep saying “ Big 3 “ but it’s time we add Nurk because is was supposed to be that huge upgrade. 12 points and 15 rebounds in games?? Let’s keep the same energy we did for DA I’m sure the Lakers had this conversation when we knocked them out in 2021 lol Now we’re the LA Suns
Brendon your takes about the wolves is crazy they gave up allot to get Ruby Kat was the first pick in the draft both are future Hof n stars what are u talking about the suns problem is our stars all do the same damn thing n we to damn finesse
Point of attack defender Beal... Beal fouls out, Ant the Superstar is born.... But sure, next year it will be better xD. It's fine, let's waste some more years.
What are they gonna do? Trade Durant? Durant is a much better player than Beal is , as we saw this series, even in year 18 or whatever year he’s in. Even if it worked on the floor but it didn’t work because of payroll, why would they even bring in a 50 million dollar guy with a no trade clause in his contract? Why would they accept that, knowing that there was a possibility that this experiment wouldn’t work and they’d have to restructure the roster? Such a short sighted move, and unfortunately (hope I’m wrong) they won’t make the finals for years bc of this setback.
Nope Beal seems to have attitude and not a team player. Defence sucks, low IQ, no leadership, worst role players. If no changes 1 more year wasted and KD will rot there. Better send KD home Warriors 💪
BB is mentally weak. He came in with a smile and joking around for the media day. I don't think many of us fans are smiling today. I get he's a chilled guy and seems a nice human, but he's not a winning player at all, never has been in the NBA. Just chilled in Washington , got paid alot to drop 30, which he could then and he was ok not getting far in the post season.
@@connerwarren13 he had one good game. Y’all ride bookers nuts like crazy. So booker can play well for 25% of the time and Yall don’t see an issue with that? Y’all crazy
Most overrated player in the league. Suns could use that to their advantage and land a haul that would revive their future. Some suns idiots think he’s some untradeable player and that’s why the suns have the worst situation in the nba
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Your audio is back to sounding great- thats awesome. Thanks again for all the content during this (horrible) season
Great show! Booker said it best, that you can't just put together great talent and expect successful outcomes. Attention to the details matter. A wild season of ups and really low lows has highlighted a host of issues. Maybe there is a serious coaching issue (I think coaching issues are too much an inside baseball thing for fans to reliably call -- reports like those from the Athletic don't convince me), but there is definitely a ball handling issue (results: turnovers and getting into offensive sets too late); there is a size and athleticism issue (results: poor rebounding and POA defense). People act like teams or players can't improve. Its just not true. Every good team today has had years to improve to get to where they are. Go Suns!
Your very first statement is wrong. The 2021 suns were way better. It’s not 2k man
I don’t understand why people are so unappreciated of that squad!
Let’s be honest though. The suns got extremely lucky in the playoffs that year. Yall have short memories. Everybody was hurt during that post season. It was an easy path to the finals
@tommartyn524 do you not watch basketball every year? That literally happens every season. Giannis and dame are out right now. Jimmy butler is out. Lmao
@@connerwarren13 I think Celtics win even if those guys were playing. The suns would have lost first round in 2021 if the lakers had had Davis
@@tommartyn524 so we’re just going to ignore CP’s injury in game 2 when we were winning?
GSW first trip was based on injuries
Thanks for your level headed analysis. I needed that.
The Booker Suns team that went to finals wasn't a better team than this years Suns team, but the difference is they reached their ceiling, and Monty Williams kept that team playing consistently at their celing. It took time to find and build that teams foundation and identity. This years Suns team has a lot higher celing than that team, if we could just get all the players playing to their full potential consistently with the guidance of the right coach they can beat Minisota and contend for a championship. I watched every Suns game this year and I never saw one complete game with all players playing at their celing. Minisota and Denver know their identities right now and are playing consistently at their celing. Let's get a better coach that will fix issues that will lead these Suns players to find their identity and rolls on this team that will allow each player to grow and play as a team in there defined rolls to reach their peak/celing consistently as a team. The Suns looked out of sync all year.
If as a young team u reach the NBA finals in your first playoff run, thats your ceiling? Id say your ceiling is contending for 10 more years! And as for current team's ceiling it is an illusion. Suns were actually surprisingly healthy this year - year before each of Book, KD, Nurk and Beal missed about 30 games. This year it was only Beal.... Also next year we are paying big 3 150 mln and we already seen it fail with 2 sets of cheap players around them. What is the ceiling of that? You are crazy dude.
Yes they were a better team. This current suns team isn't a great team. Chemistry, defense and size matters in the playoffs
A coach doesn't fix this team. They weren't even playing hard. They couldn't hang onto the ball. A point guard and a new coach would help but the roster construction is just bad from top to bottom. Nurkic is terrible too.
@@connerwarren13 "I can be the coach, you can be the coach"...
@sirbarles4808 A coach is there to put his team in the best position to win, theres a obvious reason why Monty Williams isn't still the Suns coach, but Frank Vogel is for sure not the answer. We need a strong coach that will call out star players out on their poor play, bench them if necessary, like our old coach Cotton Fitzsimmons, who got the most out of average teams.
I remember D Book at the beginning of the season saying something to the effect "respectfully, i don't know how teams are going to be able to defend us" 😂😂😂
For decades the KD trade will be the example of an all in move that failed. James Jones is done as a gm. Suns should asap hire new one. He will not have immidiate impact unless he manages to trade Beal and KD which may be impossible but he should start preparing team for rebuild. The sooner the better.
Stop saying it has failed when we still have another year or two with KD. If the Suns don’t won a chip while KD is on the team, then you can say it has failed.
@@LukeWeyrauch93 Our best shot was last year while CP3 was still here... This season was last chance. Next year will be just pain and suffering. With increased salaries and 2nd apron kicking in It will be much harder to build around big 3 (and we have seen how hard its already been). We also were actually very lucky with injuries this season... It could have been MUCH worse. Other teams are improving we are just getting older... Keep coping dude.
At last a fellow JJ must go person!
Ishbia wanted KD. And Ishbia isn’t going anywhere.
First off it didn't become a disaster until the Brad Beal trade not a sun's fan but big fan of James Jones. You should be smart enough to know none of this happens until the new owner comes. Put the blame in its proper place.
The Big 3 can definitely work, but those two other starters have to be big, physical, athletic defenders. One should be able to shoot 3s, and the other should be a true defensive anchor and lob threat. Forget about your feelings toward Ayton or if Ayton asked to be traded or if he quit or something; talk about fit only, Ayton was probably the probably best fit to complement the Big 3. There are better centers out there, but either they have no defense, no offense, can't shoot FT or they're injury-prone. Ayton provides everything despite not being great at anything besides finishing lobs, which is something Nurkic provides zero of. So sad that we didn't just do the simple thing of babying Ayton to keep his emotions in check, he is what he is, with Ayton now Suns would be in a much better place as we really only need to find a young PJ Tucker/Jae Crowder, instead now we need to find a Jae Crowder and Capela, and fill out the bench...
You need more defense and rebounding. And unfortunately, the big 3 struggle in those areas.
I saw glimpses of a team this season, But nothing like the 2021 teams, joy & connection had!!!
Get a great player who can get offensive rebounds that's a good start
Nope the big 3 is not good enough. The team needs a rebuilt roster. The bench is frail. The suns have to open the NBA portal to pick and choose. I expected a game 7. I have no words for Nurkic. He needs help.
Maybe they are good enough but Vogel is not the coach to unlock their full potential. If I’m the GM, im definitely replacing Vogel and I’m open to trying to trade KD or Beal as impossible or difficult as it may be. Book was his best when he had a true PG next to him and Beal ain’t that. Also we should not be starting three guards like Vogel did all season meaning Grayson or Beal will need to come off the bench. My concern even before the season started was that the roster was to guard heavy
Kelly olmyk … a 5 out center who can pass … inexpensive… is a better option than a lob only center…
There no point guard
Arguments are hard to make when you are stucked..
If by "contend" you mean posting a good record in the regular season and getting swept in Round 1 of the playoffs then, yes, they're good enough to contend. If you're talking about matching up with actual championship contenders...no chance Captain. Need two-way players and GRIT.
6:07 towns has made 2 allnba teams, more than booker. the national disrespect as always
2 volume scorers is enough, 3 is redundant. Also, you need 1 good-great point of attack defender, 1 sound facilitator/pg, and a big who can grab boards and defend. 2 scoring stars+3 complementary pieces that’s coached well will be a much better team than this one.
The answer is no, they're not tall enough, quick enough, or skilled enough. 🙅♂️
I know everyone keep saying “ Big 3 “ but it’s time we add Nurk because is was supposed to be that huge upgrade. 12 points and 15 rebounds in games?? Let’s keep the same energy we did for DA
I’m sure the Lakers had this conversation when we knocked them out in 2021 lol
Now we’re the LA Suns
This notion trading booker is just smoking crack
Why
Brendon your takes about the wolves is crazy they gave up allot to get Ruby Kat was the first pick in the draft both are future Hof n stars what are u talking about the suns problem is our stars all do the same damn thing n we to damn finesse
I am Warrior, I was watching ☀️ for KD and I feel ☀️ play Hateball instead of 🏀 not good vibes.
Send KD back home (warriors) where he truly belongs.
Let just trade KD for Zion and Alvarado from the pels
Point of attack defender Beal... Beal fouls out, Ant the Superstar is born.... But sure, next year it will be better xD. It's fine, let's waste some more years.
is 'locked on suns' youtube channel good enough to be on youtube?
😂😂😂
He treats them the same way ESPN treats Le Ankle!
In white gloves!
no way you keep those guys. beal and nurck have to go,
No lol, haven’t we seen enough already😂
What are they gonna do? Trade Durant? Durant is a much better player than Beal is , as we saw this series, even in year 18 or whatever year he’s in. Even if it worked on the floor but it didn’t work because of payroll, why would they even bring in a 50 million dollar guy with a no trade clause in his contract? Why would they accept that, knowing that there was a possibility that this experiment wouldn’t work and they’d have to restructure the roster? Such a short sighted move, and unfortunately (hope I’m wrong) they won’t make the finals for years bc of this setback.
Vogel is the problem
Nope Beal seems to have attitude and not a team player. Defence sucks, low IQ, no leadership, worst role players.
If no changes 1 more year wasted and KD will rot there. Better send KD home Warriors 💪
BB is mentally weak. He came in with a smile and joking around for the media day. I don't think many of us fans are smiling today. I get he's a chilled guy and seems a nice human, but he's not a winning player at all, never has been in the NBA. Just chilled in Washington , got paid alot to drop 30, which he could then and he was ok not getting far in the post season.
dont run this sss show back please
Booker has been overrated for awhile and people are finally starting to see it. Trade Booker to the nets and get our picks back.
Yeah 49 points is overrated 😂
@@connerwarren13 he had one good game. Y’all ride bookers nuts like crazy. So booker can play well for 25% of the time and Yall don’t see an issue with that? Y’all crazy
@tommartyn524 just say you don't know ball. Can't be that consistent without a point guard. What did booker do to your head? Rent free
Most overrated player in the league. Suns could use that to their advantage and land a haul that would revive their future. Some suns idiots think he’s some untradeable player and that’s why the suns have the worst situation in the nba
@@YtsBrooklyn-mv7lg We will be fine don't worry. Just please take Wet Fucking Noodle back and give us back twins and picks. We will be gucci then.
No
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🤣🤣Let It Ride!!🤣🤣Turn Out the Lights! Take out the BROOMS! The Party's OVER!!🤣Great Playoff run, trip, stumble 🤣1,2,3, Cancun! Time to Go Fishing! Ha Ha Ha great season guys! Love the Choking in the playoffs! Booger, KD and Bueller were a good JOKE! Now sit back on your couches and watch Dallas and some Luka Magic in the playoffs! Go Mavs!! Let It Ride!