AYANEO Air Pro Review and Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- The AYANEO Air Pro is a the premium version of their non-Pro Air model, an impressively thin OLED handheld PC with a larger battery and the hefty Ryzen 7 5825U CPU. In this video we'll test it out and see whether or not the performance, battery, and color upgrades warrant this "upgraded" price point.
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Original AYANEO Air review: retrogamecorps.com/2022/08/09...
Timestamps:
00:00 introduction
01:52 hardware impressions
04:30 comparison with AYANEO Air
06:48 battery life and audio
09:56 PC game testing
13:05 emulation testing (Windows)
17:15 Batocera emulation testing
18:59 summary and conclusion
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Great review, Russ, as usual, super congrats! Impressed by nofearoftheBigN!
(nice touch at the end of the video showing the cartridges you own)
Thanks a lot for the review! I also got the Pro model on pre-order and can't wait for it to arrive. Worth it to me for not only all of the normal emulation it can do but the PC-only emus like Sega Model 2/Model 3, FM Towns Marty and Teknoparrot!
Really appreciate the solid and detailed reviews you do. I really think that I am leaning toward the AYN unit, but skittish to pull the trigger with the length before it would get in my hands. When it comes to stuff that it isn't capable of I would just use Moonlight or the likes connecting to my beefy emulation PC or main PC for Steam related games.
Exactly the video I was hoping for, I'm waiting on my Air non-pro
Hi Russ, love your videos, very informative and you convinced me to into this market 🤓🤓🤓
Fantastic comparison and review!
If this device was half the price, of course I'm a buyer. But I just can't see dropping $1200+ on a device that the deck will beat in performance for half the price. I get that Steam is able to do this because of the sales of other software, but it is what it is. I'll wait for the deck. But as always....appreciate the thorough review!
It starts at $650
@@azamean yea I know, for the entry level one.
The Air Pro that was reviewed is the one I would be interested in for the upgrades, which is comparable to the deck I would get.
@@azamean $650 for lower GPU
@@azamean its starts at $903 for the 5825U version
@@K3nVV the one Russ has is actually the 32GB RAM + 2TB model which is a little excessive. You can get the model with the same processor but 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD for $899.
I love the addition of TDP recommendations for emulation, by system. This would’ve been awesome in your Steam Deck emulation video, for example. Keep including that, where relevant.
I've tried playing with the TDP slider and for the most part its pretty accurate all by itself after a update specifically for that came out.
it limits itself pretty well when it doesn't need the extra juice and going below that most of the time caused stability issues.
@@Dracossaint Do you mean the AYANEO or the Steam Deck?
steam trash doesn't have to do in this video,.fuckin valve sectists!
Because Steam Deck has control over the whole O.S. it scales better for the game you are running.
In my experience very few cases adjusting TDP by itself gives extra battery (limiting screen refresh rate or FPS is enough), because it is already adjusting Wattage to usage (Linux is awesome!).
Nonetheless, I agree it would be interesting to see that in the video so more people are aware. :)
This looks fantastic. but WIN MAX 2 is close to being what i want a portable gaming PC.
I ordered the second from the top pro model and the performance is exactly what I'm after. Battery life is secondary for me because I don't think I'm really going to play it on the go so I'll just keep it plugged in. For me it's more about being able to play while the main TV is occupied without having to go to another room 😝
Great review as always. Only thing is that I have a hard time calling this device a portable with such a short battery life.
I ordered WIN Max 2. If i have more budget, will consider to buy this one.
A few months ago I bought the Onexplayer 5800u 2tb model and I'm happy with it along side my Steam Deck. The bigger 8.4 inch screen was the main selling point and I'm also able to run everything through Bigbox as a frontend and not use Windows 11. I bought a 1tb sdcard which is mostly used for emulation and I can play my non Steam library and incompatible Steam Deck games from this device. I think Aya needs to realize there is a market for handheld devices with larger screens.
After seeing the battery life stats of The Phawx I really would've expected a bit more here on the Pro version. I ordered the 5560U Pro model and I'm satisfied with my choice as it has the better fan and less heat. Still would've expected a bit more battery life, though.
sorry for asking, can we play using power adapter?
@@hadrihanafi2492 Sure you can, why not! You can play while it's plugged in.
Cant wait for that new Ambernic
FXsound is great. It worked great on my 2021 Pro and now my Aya Neo Next.
That silver color on the pro is 👍😭
very nice device. all your games and emu in one place.
Great review, but I think the footage of GOT was at 2x? I see 1024 on the display..
Just that battery life, man.. I'd use the Odin for everything WII and down and then this or maybe the I3 version for ps3, wii-u, switch and xbox.
Mine should be coming in the next few weeks. I'm planning on using Moonlight for pretty much everything since I already have a 3080 powered PC. Using Moonlight rather than natively running games installed on the device sidesteps pretty much EVERY issue this device has so I'm hyped. And since this is the only handheld with an OLED, that makes every other handheld irrelevant for me haha. It's going to be the ultimate PC/Gamecube/Wii U/Switch/PS2/GBA handheld :D I've already been using Moonlight on my iPhone at 1080p60 and its been flawless.
Bro i just replied to this same comment on the other video from you. You comment the same shit everywhere?
@@In3rt_ia Its not the same its slightly different! Boom. *mic drop
Great review as always. Doesn’t seem to be something I am going to be buying. After having the Steam Deck, I think 400 bucks is the most I would spend for a handheld. Especially with the exchange rate of USD to other currencies, I expect way more feature for the price they are asking
I would probably pick steam deck or aya neo but valve doesn't ship steam decks to my region so I might go with the aya neo air pro
If Batocera was able to add TDP controls, I’d install it default for everything.
I haven't gotten my Steam Deck yet, and while I don't like it's form factor(way big), I'm not looking to pay such a high premium for less performance and a smaller screen. I know there are several comparable devices out now or down the road that will give the SD a run for it's money, but until one is close in price to the base model of $400, I'm happy to use it until one does(more than likely, it will be the SD2).
There's for sure a market for devices like this, as well as the ones with bigger screens etc, but for me they all come down to value Vs. what you get for your dollars, and I've never been one to need the latest and greatest just because. I'll use my deck and while I won't like the size, it will get the job done until something price comparative reaches the market that's better. Good to see all the competition though, as that's how we get there quicker rather than later, as these handhelds are a dime a dozen now with no end in sight.
My thoughts exactly. I'd like a smaller device like this eventually but when my steam deck email comes (hopefully next month) I don't see a better value for this year and probably next year.
Wished logi put a sd800+ in their device
Perfect balance!
What is the statistic overlay used for this? Doesnt look like rtss.
And 2.5 hours at 8w? So the screen and other components using around 7W?
Seems like the ODIN PRO's battery life is still the killer feature that these AYANEO devices can't match yet.
Well that is the benefit of ARM vs X86. ARM is more efficient.
EDIT: WOW!-FX Sound is a game changer in smaller devices with limited internal audio. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, install this software immediately for an incredible improvement in otherwise subpar audio deviced machines! Now, back to my regularly schedule comment … Great work as always. I love the form factor on these machines. And what a great tip on the FX Sound software! Going to test drive it on all of my Windows hardware. As always, not only is your content worth watching for the covered device, but also beyond!
@Russ, after reviewing both the 5560U and the 5825U is it worth it? Specially for OG xbox, WiiU, PS3 and Switch emulation? Is the bump in performance good enough to have a better experiece or is it so marginal I better save few bucks and go with 5560U instead and forget about those systems, thanks man!
hello. you might find this question stupid, but do you think this can run totk? i'm planning to get this or the loki in october.
Really want the rg505
Love the form factor and almost pulled the plug on joining the indiegogo crowdfunding until I saw the video on what the 6800U will bring to the table and decided to wait. I still have a Onexplayer 5800U and the Steam Deck to hold me over in the mean time.
Pulled the plug? Or do you mean the trigger 🤔
If you run Steam on this device can you use the Steam controls mapping?
For example, enabling Flick Stick through Steam?
Guess I'll try to install batocera using a USB flash drive. I tried to install it on an sd card but the screen stayed black and never booted up. Still enjoying emulation on it from PS3 to Sega Model 3. It's a great PC handheld for those living the nomadic life like myself.
For $1249, a handheld device shouldn't give me that much battery anxiety. May as well get a desktop or laptop if you're going to be confined to an outlet all day.
It's not over a thousand stop complaining about prices they have improved a lot than before.
@@shlokshah5379 it is over a thousand. I know because I backed the 5828U version. A good little life hack is to affix a 6000mAh battery to the back and just plug it in when you need it. There are batteries with this wattage that are the size of a credit card and even have their own retractable USBC cables build in.
@@shlokshah5379 he literally says the price at 1:26
geezus fking hell.. OVER A GRAND??!
the steam deck costs half or less than half and is more powerful
@@heyjeySigma It just depends on what you're prioritizing that makes it worth it. Personally, I wanted something small that would be easy to pick up and play, and the Steam Deck doesn't fit me in that regard. I also don't want to go back to LED screens after being spoiled by my Switch OLED. I'll take a power hit to have those things, as my main rig has me covered on that end anyway. Yes, having it be over 1k is very expensive, but that's the price of these kinds of things when the company doesn't take a loss on the hardware. People are conditioned by the prices of mainstream devices like the PS5 and Series X, but if they weren't taking losses just to get those consoles into homes, they'd be charging 800-900 dollars instead.
At the 13:00 mark I think i feel alot more reaffirmed in my purchase for the steam deck, I was able to run everything shown at 60FPS in desktop mode relatively easily, and for witcher i got a mix of Medium and High settings for 40 FPS minimum, and Skyrim at ultra for 60 fps flat, something about the Ayaneo Air Pro being over a grand for not even comparable performance is really a let down because i was really expecting valve to shake up the handheld pc market with this
playing the steam deck for one day reaffirmed my purchase for ayaneo air. Because the steam deck was too bulky and uncomfortable.
Ayaneo has other devices that are an apt comparison for the steam deck, this is an entirely different size / form factor and use case and silly comparison. Plus, as the video states, the $650 model is the sweet spot, far from over a grand.
You can dock the air too and push the tdp to 25W if im not wrong. It can probably run it all in desktop mode. Im glad i went with the 5825U pro model since more performance is achieved with lower wattages. Would have loved 6000 series and a bigger screen but oh well. Maybe thats an upgrade for the future. I got my steam deck purchase email few days ago but i went with this instead. However, if I had extra money, I would definitely buy the steam deck as well. They should not be compared because they different use cases. Deck is really efficient at lower tdp and has lots of battery life compared to this thing. But this is very portable.
@@Teremei i have giant hands and the steam deck was still uncomfortable to play on. i don’t know who decided to put the joysticks way at the top like that.
the selling point for this thing is literally portability which the steam deck sucks at but people keep comparing them anyways lmao.
@@Teremei steam deck definitely feels uncomfortable, totally agree.
32GB of RAM is basically useless for gaming right now.
The bigger battery is nice ofc but I would love to know what the bigger battery could do with a newer more efficient ryzen 6000 chip.
I hope they keep making good designs in the future, VEGA is just an unfortunate architecture for handhelds.
32GB of RAM is overkill, 16 is totally fine on a device like this. Unless you're mixing it up with storage, it comes in sizes with up to 2TB of storage
@@azamean was def talking about RAM.
16gb is plenty enough.
Yea it’s basically useless they might as well just upgraded the GPU to 6800u and kept Ram at 16gb and Storage at 1TB or 2TB for that price
Is there any guides/video on how to change the ssd for this?
I'm hopeful the AYANEO Air Plus Alder Lake 1215U will be a better performer on battery life, so much so that it could be considered a viable portable experience. Am I wrong to be hoping for that or is it too early to tell? I wouldn't mind losing the ability to play the more high end games this SKU can, since they're impractical devices for that purpose with the heating and battery drain
How's the D-Pad for fighting games? Do you still say RG 351 is the best D-Pad?
can we se more aya neo pro videos and tutorial
for your review how much did the games cost?
I didn't get my question answer again this is the 5th time me asking is the games that are in the intro home screen is that from reading the sd cards or did you install a game library??
All of the games tested and installed on these devices are using the internal memory.
@@RetroGameCorps okay thank you did you had to download anything to show those game thumbnails or no? Thanks sorry in trying to learn too 👍👍☺️☺️
Holding out for something with bigger bezels
You should try the newest AMD beta driver, it vastly improves 3DS emulation on AMD by improving OpenGL
You should compare the steam version of DMC if you get the chance; I imagine it might be smoother than emulated PS3.
The synthwave intro on this channel is the most depressing thing in my life. Please bring back the old blippy bleepy one 👍
1 1/2 to 2 hrs of gameplay is great. the ones that can afford this have better things to do. so this device is only for passing time like on airports or any waiting queue. 2 hrs of it is plenty + you can always get a 5000mah powerbank if you want to extend your gameplay. the ayn odin was great but it runs on android so it's not good. ill wait for the loki then will decide which of two should i get.
It's hard to tell from the video, there appears to be some distortion when you enhance the sound - is that the speaker distorting or is it doing funny things with the mic? Presumably it sounds fine in person...
Thanks for the review Russ, expense and battery life just don't add up for me on this one. That silver finish has a hint of fake metal to it as well, not what I'd call premium. I see what you mean about the bezels though, the screen does look bigger, didn't expect that.
Very much looks like someone spray painted it
When are you going to review the Retro pocket 3
Mine arrived yesterday, I will release a video on Friday.
Could someone please help me understand how much TDP you would have to set to emulate PS2 games at their native resolution? I know in your video you upscaled them but I don’t have context for how much battery life you could save by playing native res. Thanks!
I'm curious what kind of battery time one would get with streaming AAA stuff via something like Moonlight? I really want to try it out with AAA running at 1080p to make the most out of that screen
Probably same battery time as streaming low production games like Need for Speed Underground 2
Where can i found the usb sticks botocera?
I am very satisfied with the white version of the pro 5825u. As soon as I upgraded the amd drivers PS2 games and og Xbox games were smooth as butter and was pretty impressed.
However I also tried a whole slew of 360 games using the latest build of Xenia - Canary and still cannot for the life of me have any luck in running any game at all. Not even Diablo 3. I also tried out the MSI afterburner and I love the interface. Heck even Wii games with the orig Wii mote and sensor bar is awesome on this 5825U. No frame stutters at all.
But with xenia every 360 game stutters like crazy regardless if I'm running the highest tdp of 18w and latest video drivers and using canary not one 360 game works properly unfortunately.
But anyone who has any advice or suggestions on how to get xenia canary build to work on this thing would be greatly appreciated cuz I just have no luck with xenia.
Meantime I'm gona try xenia on my Steam deck (got a partition running windows alongside steam os) and HP Pav pro t series gaming machine instead.
So any tips or tricks to get the Xbox 360 emulator to work on this 5825u would be greatly appreciated? I'm at a complete loss.
Thank you cuz I cannot find any videos online that would help you better the performance via the TOML config file.
Android is coming for the smoke brother this with snapdragon 8 gen 2 will smash it and with x86 emulation be a beast 💯💯🏆💚💚👊
silver look so bad compared to the others :T Love the look of the console tho (the air you got is def my favorite colorway). Keep up the great work, Russ!
Is the aya neo pro any better then the ayn odin?
I paid just under a 1000 dollars for my pro model. After I already bought the Neo Next. What am I doing? They should really pump the brakes on more products cuz I clearly have no self control
Hello, what is the max size of micro sd card in rg351p?
The aya neo air pro is the best semi affordable handheld not called the steamdeck
Sounds like steam deck might be a better choice unless size is a huge factor
@@andrewdo8192 ergonomics is something everyone has to test for themselves but using a lighter and comfortable device is a gamechanger.
@@yourgoing2h8me I was thinking more about packing for trips or commuting
@@andrewdo8192 that too, I traveled in the airport recently and lugging around the steam deck wasn't the best. I hope one of these manufacturers get around to making something pocketable.
Ok everyone! Each time TDP is mentioned, take a sip of your drink.
The AYANEO Air Pro is as good as it needs to be, it might even have too high of a resolution. The only thing the AYANEO Air Pro needs is a bigger battery and these things would sell like hot cakes. The resolution doesn't need to get any better, the screens are for a handheld.
Can u compare the powkiddy v90 and miyoo mini v2
So they still sent it? In the ama you said you wouldn"t
Still times faster than Odin and Loki
I sent my aya neo air and they sent it back , but i cannot go over 12 watt tdp. It's an awesome system 8gb. But sometimes it blue screens and shuts down. Maybe I don't know how to use this system properly? I don't want to screw anything up. The form factor is perfect. It's so beautiful. Far cry 4 runs pretty rough. Mgs v runs ok. Steam deck is more powerful.
Hi sir
Can you play android games on the Ayaneo air pro?
How do you get 40 fps in botw on cemu, i have a onexplayer mini with a 5800u processor, and it outperforms this handheld in every benchmark but emulators and i just dont get how. Are you using mods? I can barely hit 25 fps in botw with my handheld at 28 watts lets alone 40fps
I don’t know much but are you using the Wii U version of the game? Cuz I noticed the switch and Wii U will make a difference, I personally haven’t played botw on either emulator so I am not sure if that would be the case.
Those aren’t full sized thumb sticks, right? :c
Is it better than rog ally z1 extreme?
lol, Pro model is just 15 minutes more to Destiny 2.
I would only consider getting Pro if it gets me 1h30 extra for heavy games at the same small form factor.
It's close but the steam deck still keeps it's crown.
Which one is better ? This one or loki max ? Should i wait to the end of the year ?
It's always better to wait! I'm not sure how the Loki Max will perform since no prototypes have been shown yet, but I have similar worries about the Loki line when it comes to battery life.
@@RetroGameCorps thanks ! I think i'll wait 😅💔
They are on Amazon now for $950
That's not even the Pro. scalpers.
I would love to see a review from someone covering the base 8gb ram model. I’m curious to see how much of a difference the extra ram creates.
I really wanna see a review of that I3 version, I hear its the best bang for the buck.
@@KyleRuggles the i3 version is next year(probably or f aya Neo).
@@shlokshah5379 Yeah well they say December, but who knows... I got my Odin, got great battery life, I can wait.
@@KyleRuggles
Same man.
I think the AYA NEO Air Plus, will go on sale or Indiegogo after the AYA NEO Air and Air Pro is done with their IGG campaign.
Ive thumbs up this so many times and Google keeps saying I didn't do it.
what case fits the aya other then the official one
Switch cases work but they are a little big...Switch Lite cases are too small.
Does anybody know if this can run anything on Xenia Canary? I haven't been able to find anything out online, but it seens like it could be possible.
Me, I have absolutely NO luck in getting xenia Canary to work on this device. No matter how much I update the video drivers or increase the tdp
@@llcooldrockindahouse4631 wow after all this time looking in different places I still didn't have an answer! So thank you! I hope you have some better luck with it in the future 🤞
Better life is a non-starter. Would need to be 5hrs min to consider for me.
This is incompatible with my expendable income. They should address that compatibility issue.
Looks like an amazing product, but man, being on the bleeding edge is pricy. I can't imagine spending anywhere near that amount of money on a handheld, and I'm honestly a little surprised there is a market big enough for this thing.
The steam deck is not available in other regions. Locally, the price of a steam deck base model is around $1000, with the 512gb around $2000, so they're much more expensive than the Aya Neos
Can you play Mario odyssey in the air 5560?
it's dumb that it comes with a 1080p screen when most games tap out at 720p
Does anyone know when the AYA NEO AIR PLUS Alder Lake 1215U is releasing? I can't seem to find it anywhere?
It’s not up for order yet, I think they have a couple other handhelds to launch first.
To everyone that is disregarding this device because of the steam deck, just a few things:
1. Steam Deck is not available for purchase everywhere. And it's not looking like it will be available anytime soon, or even this year.
2. When the steam deck becomes available, the price will easily go to over 700 USD for the cheapest model in a lot of countries. For example, the PS5 costs 750 USD and the switch oled goes for 500 USD, and I live right next to the US.
3. The Aya Neo Air is available for purchase right now and has worldwide shipping.
So that's pretty much why the Steam Deck argument doesn't hold, specially if you don't live in the US. This device is a great alternative, and I am looking forward for what Aya brings next.
I want one so desperately but that price is just too much.
$1200 😱and they beef everything up except the most important thing which is the Graphic Chip it should’ve went up to 6800u 16gb 1TB instead of 5825U 32GB 2TB
I have both the steam deck and the Ayaneo air pro with the 5560U . I love my deck but after using the Ayaneo I can confirm the extra cores make a difference in a lot of games depending on what your after . Emulation yes needs a good GPU but you need a good cpu . Also frame time and frame pacing is a huge deal breaker in some games . Overwatch plays super smooth on the Ayaneo compared to the deck . Yes it’s expensive but worth every penny . Persona 5 golden just looks and performs better on the Ayaneo . It’s all personal taste
That boi T H I C C
And the Aya Neo Air Pro looks good too!
It looks like "Living Statue" Silver. You know what I mean? It's an odd choice.
Only 10mins more on steamworld dig? Damn that battery sucks
For real.
Batteries are the main thing keeping handhelds down in terms of performance.
Yeah.. I dunno about buying these devices if I always have to be near a wall, how is it so portable when you only get 1-3 hours of battery life? I wish Windows supported more ARM processors, it's just so much more efficient. I can play wii for 5-7 hours on my Odin, barely can get 2 hours on this thing.
The issue isn't the battery. It is the PC x86 architecture. Steam Deck also have a crap battery time for Destiny 2
Slippery boy battery life sadness, BUT, still an EMULATION BEAST. Dig the look too.
I still think steam is the way to go
Aaaaa I need the buy link
My limit for the console is if it can emulate the Switch in a decent manner, so then I can sell mine and buy the device. Guess I found the one.
AYANEO Air Pro or AYANEO Geek ?
There are only a handful of games right now and I mean a handful that actually benefit from 32 GB or ram one being Star Citizen but no one should be playing that on a device like this with no dedicated GPU so 32 GB of RAM is complete overkill for this device. 16GB should be the maximum for a device like this.
Agreed, the 32GB RAM thing doesn't really have a performance benefit.
Don't worry, after a recent 'quality of life' update, Bioshock will run at a solid 0 fps! :)
That marginal increase in battery life is disappointing.
It's a real shame x86 is so power hungry. Meanwhile you go to ARM and compatibility suffers.
I'm hopeful this will change in the future and ARM will take over the PC space, but it's going to take years.
PC ARM is the future. Tragic how people hate ARM PC.
@@alinepiroutek8932 ARM will be decent, but then every component will be soldered to the board. I prefer being able to swap out different components with a lot of PCs than not being able to. Wouldn't need to replace the entire machine if one thing in it dies.
User serviceability goes out the window.
@@nathansstuff1547 ARM is usually done for handheld machines. It is possible in the future to have swappable components.
I get your arguments in its favor, but at that price and that battery life, I just do not think this is a good option for me.
I have a Nintendo switch hacked… is this worth it?
That would be a cool video that no one can make because of Nintendo.