NIF was expected to achieve the so-called 'break-even' shot announcement by 2012. It failed by a factor of more than 100 then. It took a decade of tweaking, at a cost of many billions of additional dollars to finally reach their original goal. When trying to sell a product it is best to not mention the earlier failures.
The more energy that was received outside was 20 billion of a second, that's all we needed to confirm Fusion is the future, scientists already working on compact Fusion reactors and now I'm seeing compact Fusion reactors that are even smaller and require less space and a more capable because of free enterprise 1:34
The nuclear fusion energy experiments began back in the 1950s and have since then encountered a dazzling array of difficulties. The existence of fusion reactions have been known for around 100 years and the first practical application occurred in the first thermonuclear explosions back in the 1960s. NIF was designed to create such explosions using a tiny bit of fuel squeezed down to a microscopic size. In order for a technology to thrive it has to become economically competitive with other sources of energy generation. NIF fusion experiments are at least six orders of magnitude away from that.
IIRC, the “Hohlraum” is destroyed in the process, at around 10 billionths of a second. This is the problem with making NIF a continuous source of dependable energy.
Did the ignition equation include the energy spent producing the fuel pellet? Or is it a negligible quantity? When the lasers fire, and when they compress the fuel pellet is it loud? Does it cause significant wear and tear on the capacitor banks, SCR's, bussing or switchgear?
No. Typically the only input energy parameter that they announce is the direct energy that goes into compressing and heating the plasma. There are numerous external sources of energy that they often fail to mention when presenting to the press, the public and to the funding administrators higher up.
We must not belittle the effort the folks at the National Ignition Facility have put into this, but it is appropriate to criticize the hype they have put out. They simply got really excited because they finally achieved what they originally claimed they would achieve no later than about a decade prior. It was not a breakthrough. It was merely a modest step up in energy released as compared to a similar test they did a year or so earlier. Three megajoules sounds like a lot. How much energy is three megajoules? Three megajoules is three million watt-seconds. In comparison, one kilowatt-hour is three point six million watt-seconds. I pay about twelve cents per kilowatt-hour for electric energy delivered to my home. So, if they could convert the energy to electricity and deliver it to a user at 100% efficiency, it would be worth about ten cents. They stated that if they could have caused all the fuel in the pellet to fuse, they would have released about 40 times more energy, if I remember correctly. So that would have been worth about four dollars assuming they could convert all the released energy to electricity. Using their present approach to releasing the energy, they have to procure the deuterium-tritium fuel, cryogenically cool it, place it in a micron-tolerance diamond sphere, place that inside a precisely made hohlraum tube containing gold as well as other expensive stuff, precisely place the assembly in position, and blast it with 192 huge lasers. It should be clear that they are not on a path to achieve the dream of cheap abundant clean energy for the world. At the time of announcing their “breakthrough”, they said they expected to repeat the experiment on about a monthly basis, and expected to continue to extend the energy released. Since then, it has been about a year and so far they have announced only one shot that released any more energy than the “breakthrough” achievement. Since the 1950’s, there has been no doubt that mankind can release more energy through fusion than the energy put in (think hydrogen bombs), but the question remains whether we will ever have a cost-effective commercial power source using fusion produced on earth. I hope these folks can at least succeed in their primary mission of assuring nuclear deterrence.
Wow, how refreshing it is to read sane and intelligent comments. I agree with you 100%. This is not the way for power generation, but that wasn't the goal. This is the way to prove ignition is possible on Earth and that the actual power output from fusing can ever be higher than the energy initially put in by the shot itself (not counting inefficiencies in the shot, just the output power of all the lasers). Basically, without actually air-detonating bombs and collecting the radiation and heat off them directly, this proves we can fuse and produce more power than the initial input, meaning it is possible to fuse on Earth for power. Definitely a thing to celebrate! It's possible! We just don't know how to sustain it long enough to make usable, sellable power yet. That's still a distance off, possibly never if the US doesn't actually have "vehicles not of this Earth" (see Popular Mechanics circa June 2020 via wayback) , but super conflicting evidence on that one.
Watching the simulations in this video are exciting! More videos with the main focus on the mathematical modeling/numerical simulation aspects would be extremely interesting. Why do they make the pellets so smooth with such precision? Nature is so non-linear and fractal it seems that they are "looking in the wrong direction?"
The so-called 'breakthrough' experiment was expected to occur by 2012. They failed by over a factor of 100. It took a decade of additional tweaking to achieve the original goal. The path that they are taking is propelling them further and further away from a future commercially practical nuclear fusion energy power reactor. The smoothness and extremely tight dimensional tolerance of the diamond fuel capsule wall is necessary to minimize uneven compression of the frozen fuel layer lining the interior surface of the fuel pellet.
@@vernonbrechin4207 Wouldn't it be the case that if the sphere is so perfectly smooth and tight, there's no way that energy waves could impact the sphere with perfect velocities and at all locations? "Stuff" will always be squeezed out? Isn't there some type of fractal configuration possible? Why is their path taking them further from a practical reactor?
@@williamschacht - It appears that you are trying to find information that reinforces what you prefer to believe in because you have been pinning so much hope on this technology. The grown diamond sphere is hollow with only a very thin wall and with a thin layer of the mixed frozen fuel on the interior surface. That fuel layer also had to be extremely uniform. In the announced December 5, 2022, experiment they later admitted that it took about a week to set up the experiment and at least two days to grow the uniform layer of fuel on the inside of the diamond sphere. It was hit by a blast of uniformly configured X-rays. Most of the X-rays went off in directions that didn't contribute to the compression implosion of the fuel capsule. The X-ray flux, that did strike the surface mostly caused the surface to ablate into the surrounding space. The reaction of that ablation resulted in the entire area being turned into a charged plasma with the center of it being driven towards a microscopic center where a portion of it became hot and compressed enough to begin a fusion reaction. That reaction then blasted about 96% of the remaining fuel away from the reaction center before it could become involved in the reaction. As you may know 50% of the fuel mix was very rare, very expensive, radioactive tritium. Much of the gaseous debris was sucked into the chamber vacuum system. As I pointed out the experiment preparation took about a week. The fusion reaction lasted for approximately 0.000,000,000,08 second. NIF can't fire more than a few times per day max. A commercial nuclear fusion reactors would need to fire at a rate of at least ten times per second. The NIF target assembly has been estimated to cost about $100,000 and was mostly turned into an exploding plasma. The design of the fuel capsule has been going on for over a decade and involved other giant laser facilities. It is estimated that NIF has already cost tax payers over $11 billion. This announced experiment generated about enough energy to boil two liters of water. A successful nuclear fusion energy power plant would need to demonstrate that it can produce power at prices near to that of today's renewable energy sources such as solar panels and wind turbines. NIF is at least six orders of magnitude away from that goal and is increasingly getting more expensive. Those, who fall in love with such technologies have a strong tendency not to ask about what they are not being told in promotional videos such as appears above. The NIF project has always been primarily funded as a thermonuclear weapon (H-bomb) research tool. That is the reason they can spend such vast quantities of public funds. The projection, that it it primarily a nuclear fusion energy research tool, is largely a scamming operation.
@@williamschacht - What they failed to convey, in the above video, is how difficult it has been to irradiate the surface of the fuel capsule in an even distribution. It has involved numerous factors which have included modulating the energy of the impinging laser beams on the interior surface of the gold plated hohlraum. The work on this has gone on for decades and has involved more than two other giant laser laboratories. The gold interior surface generates X-rays and then a small fraction of that energy impacts the fuel capsule, causing the surface of it to ablate which then results in an inward force on the contents of the hollow sphere. The wall of the sphere is very thin and the inner surface contains the condensed 50/50 mixture of deuterium and tritium in the form of a thin film. So about 90% of the interior of the sphere is just deuterium and tritium gas at low pressure. As the diamond wall coverts into a plasma that is driven inward it drives the fuel layer towards a microscopically small point at the center. There about 4% of the fuel fuses to form helium with the liberation of energy from the tiny point. That then drives the remaining fuel away from the reaction center so it can't react. Much of the gaseous debris gets sweeped away into the chamber vacuum system. The fusion reaction has very little time to propagate before it is snuffed out. It lasts only for approximately 0.000,000,000,08 second. The experiment took about a week to set up and the formation of the fuel film, on the interior of the capsule took about two days. A viable commercial nuclear fusion energy reactor would require at least 10 shots per second. NIF was originally expected to achieve the results of the December 5, 2022, experiment back in 2012. It missed its goal by a factor of over 100. It took another decade to finally achieve that goal. Still the laser input energy was over 100 times greater than the generated fusion energy which was about enough to boil two liters of water. In other words NIF requires at least a million times improvement before it can even achieve some basic requirements required by an Inertial Confinement Fusion (ICF) power plant. As you may notice, key issues were not mentioned in the above video.
"Fusion Energy" is a pleasant sounding term, but for energy generation, viable fusion energy production will most likely be hundreds of years out, if ever. Stars do it so easily because gravity is plentiful (and free) at the core of a star. Not so much in a building on the surface of the earth. Thus, the energy requirements needed to compensate for the lack of gravitational energy will always vastly outweigh the useful energy output. But any first year physics major knows this.
Lawrence livermore laboratory Because they were able to grow their own crystals. Past, the laser light through day were able to create the most powerful laces on Earth.
When you say we got 150% energy out. How did we measure that? Did we heat water, turn a turbine and produce that many KWHs? Are are you just guessing based on a sensor?
@@RabidGoose22 there is no energy capture, it was never designed with that purpose. It's an experimental facility designed to reach ignition, which it's done, that's it. Read the wiki article on it or go to the NIF web page. There were no "guesses" about how much energy came out of the reaction, it's trivial to directly measure that parameter via a number of different diagnostics on the target chamber.
There is no energy gain in the traditional sense: 1300 MJ of chemical energy was converted in conventional coal powerplants and transmitted so 400 MJ electric energy can produce 1.9 MJ laser light energy to DESTROY a million dollar target and gain +1.26 MJ unusable heat in the rubble mass (roughly 0.08 kg of wood gives same amount of energy when burnt, except in a usable form). It is an "energy gain" if deceptively hiding most of the numbers. The number of neutrons multiplied by 17.6 MeV is an upper estimate of the energy liberated (Appr. 2% are DD "side-reactions" also producing some energy, with less neutrons, but no big error in any case; The input energy is more than stated).
The problem with the Hologram is that it was not spherical and it was not able to contain and control the neutrons and they had another words if you going to extract energy from something make it like around spear don't make it like the whole ramp all these neutrons and everything is hitting every particles and everything before it could contain you can't contain the field, that's what I'm saying you can't contain the field you can hit the hall around with 60 million degrees temperature but all of the energy is going the neutrons are going to take over and it can't work, it can't work because the Hologram is not round everything dealing with this test of 20 billion of a second it has to be Sparkle it has to contain all of the energy that we put in it neutrons are going everywhere, you can't have that and that's why it didn't work on the first experiment, birthday you know I had to tweak him a little bit but then they figured out if you're going to have a fusion reaction that all of the energy must be contained in the same space like a circle like the sun
And I saw it immediately you have a direct beam of laser energy hitting the Isotopes and all of these particles are directed but you have it coming from One Direction you have to contain the entire field to achieve Fusion otherwise neutrons are flying right into the system that we're sending all the data from the neutrons are going everything the whole thing is going to clap the hall around and the hydrogen isotope has to be contained in a spherical field so none of the particles that can get out and if particles get out you can control them and you can see them, they finally figured it out, did my calculations was exactly 5 years and I was one of the first scientists that realized when we found the Higgs field, I saw it, I saw all the data coming from large hard drawing collider and everything like this and I said we were up at my calculations we were at 1:08, and they couldn't be more than that because none of the particles were consistently working with the formula and we have a accurate formula the Higgs particle was generated generator and detected many years before it was I think it was three or four years before we were able to confirm that this is the Higgs, when we saw it and you know what I have to thank all of you guys for being so geeky but still keeping focused on what really matters the Higgs particle was generated at 1:08 gigahertz, it was generated there and we saw the data coming down and you know what me I'm too stupid I'm just a regular guy that likes to eat hot dogs and and treat girls right on a date I'm nobody special but, I saw that we had generated the Higgs particle, and I recognized it and you know what we collect trains of terabytes of data but we never nobody ever gives explanation of how the state is processed but I've seen it, and nothing I'm going to tell you is that if you don't realize that the aliens are out here, all you have to do is pay attention to Common Sense, I looked at all the you know what I'm looking at a 6550 time machine, it's heavy is the most heaviest piece of Machinery that have been created on Earth, and here I am a regular guy, that's God has given me the ability to understand what this is
So, they collide and generate/release potential. More out than in doesn't violate physics because the energy potential already exists, and you need to initiate the reaction to release it. Mentioning Einstein still sickens me though. His equation only regards defined systems with known mathematical conditions and the conversion of one mass into another, and how much energy can be generated and recovered during the length of time it runs on X amount of source within that known and defined system. *This is why the reference to Einstein rubs me the wrong way. His theory is just so greatly misunderstood, and people reference him to convince the general public of laymen of anything.* I have invented systems that will produce far more out than in, but again, it's a misleading statement and must be explored further within the systems I have invented.
The problem with the future people and the people they have control of nuclear weapons is I don't understand the use of a nuclear weapon. They don't understand the terms the future people that have nuclear weapons do not understand that these weapons must be controlled on the specific conditions. They don't understand them, and that's the part that you're missing, no play a deterrence will not work in this environment because you're adversaries, do not even understand the significance the danger of having a nuclear weapon if you have a nuclear weapon in your country, you are immediately unnuclear they don't understand this. You can't deter the type of attack that America and the entire world is under right now you have to respond to an actively, you cannot say what time is it frightened? The enemies of the United States to follow the rules and regulations under the nuclear regulatory commission International possession and use of nuclear weapons, they don't follow this doctrine, just why don't grateful? President Trump was gonna take office because we have to he had everything going perfectly are nuclear advasors service. We're willing to give up their nuclear weapons, but for financial benefit and benefit of the society. gonna current doctrine of the marxism, and the
I read or watched on you tube ITER is going to be able to breed Tritium. How is the LLNL going to produce the stuff for the NIF? Also I read new Pit production is going to happen at Los Alamos and a plant on the East Coast. New Pits still need the testing by the LLNL for their viability? Rocky Flats shut down years ago.
@@deltonlomatai2309 Neutrons on their own are not radioactive. Neutrons penetrate something called the breeding blanket lined with lithium to produce more tritium and more neutrons to keep the reaction going. A neutron carried no charge, it is non reactive. Radioactivity is the decay of particles which leads to HIGH ENERGY particles that can break DNA. Hypothetically if you were caught in the reaction your DNA would be scrambled but that would be the least of your worries. Coal kills more people due to radiation than Nuclear does. Edit: The breeding blanket also does contain elemental uranium, which overtime will become radioactive I forgot to mention this. The only issue is disposing of the blanket itself not the outside of the walls.
Aneutronic fusion is any form of fusion power in which very little of the energy released is carried by neutrons. While the lowest-threshold nuclear fusion ...
Uh... is whole video is a joke? The laser pulse is measured in femtoseconds the amount of energy produced is about that of a couple hundred matchstick heads burning themselves down to nothing. You need to store the energy to make the laser pulse first. Was there enough energy made by the reaction to recharge those lasers? No. So why not? The laser efficiency is very low. Only a small percentage (around 1-3%) of the electricity stored in the capacitors is output as photons in the laser beam. Most of the electrical energy is wasted as non-laser emission heat because the diodes are nowhere near capable of converting anything even close to the majority of electricity into a laser. This is not the perpetual energy machine that fusion promised to be and the reason is clear. You can't cheat nature (aka: the laws of physics). This wasn't a breakthrough.
While ignition is definitely worth celebrating, this whole thing feels deliberately misleading. Sure you got more energy out of the _pellet_ than what went into it, but the _the system as a whole_ is still a massive energy sink. That laser power didn't come for free. This is disingenuous at best and an outright lie of omission at worst. While the public may be fooled, those that follow science news and subscribe to channels like this most certainly will not. And the big questions still remain; how do you plan to have a net energy gain, and how do you plan to do it reliably, repeatably, and cost-effectively enough to be a viable power source? I get it; a lot of work has gone into this and some really great science has come out, and you are proud of that. Rightly so. But hyping it as the future of power generation is not even wrong
Quantum Kinetics Corporation is 50 years ahead of NIF. The Arc Reactor has been fired and shows 0.7 KeV to 30keV plasma fusion temperatures at only 5.4 watt/sec.
Or, someone will invent something relative to releasing potential energy by inducing a reaction that requires less in that will come out. Einstein's theory is grossly misunderstood because his theory is grossly misleading. I have some strong and sound theories on a particle accelerator to collide sub atomic particles and possibly, release more potential than was required to generate the reaction. *Until then, I have invented a new solar generator that is exponentially superior to our modern semiconductor photovoltaic cells.* That one I know for fact works, another I will need to test the theory in my lab, but also believe the output will be even greater than the other system I invented. *Harnessing the sun's energy more effectively gives the misleading impression of "free energy", but my current working system is so efficient, electricity could eventually be "free" of monetary exchange.
If you wanna see the real plasma fusion device. Look no further than Quantum Kinetics Corporation. Because, it’s here. It’s patented, trademarked, DOE researched verified, and ready for industry. Hot fusion guys are shaking in their boots.
6:40 This chick's excessive hand gesturing and eye-rolling while speaking is extremely obnoxious. Just replace her with some AI generated character, already.
The energy needed to prime the lasers was way more than the energy released by the lasers. Fusion Ignition was therefore not actually achieved. [Edit: "needee" corrected.]
Fusion occurred. Ignition happened, and that's big step. What didn't happen was over unity- greater power put than power in- which is what we need for a viable power plant.
@@heartofdawn2341 I haven't seen this comment until now... Fusion is nothing new, LLNL and other labs around the world have been fusing helium for around 30 years now. It's never produced more energy than what was put in to fuse the fuel.
So in Magic:the Gathering terms, this is like spending 2 mana to gain 3 mana. The possibilities are endless 🌌
Board games and apples are a waste of mind when we should of asked Newton how the apple got there in the first place.
Thank you Lawrence Livermore and I knew that you was going to do it in 5 years I calculated it precisely
NIF was expected to achieve the so-called 'break-even' shot announcement by 2012. It failed by a factor of more than 100 then. It took a decade of tweaking, at a cost of many billions of additional dollars to finally reach their original goal. When trying to sell a product it is best to not mention the earlier failures.
A year hv bn passed since dec 2022. What now?...
The more energy that was received outside was 20 billion of a second, that's all we needed to confirm Fusion is the future, scientists already working on compact Fusion reactors and now I'm seeing compact Fusion reactors that are even smaller and require less space and a more capable because of free enterprise 1:34
The nuclear fusion energy experiments began back in the 1950s and have since then encountered a dazzling array of difficulties. The existence of fusion reactions have been known for around 100 years and the first practical application occurred in the first thermonuclear explosions back in the 1960s. NIF was designed to create such explosions using a tiny bit of fuel squeezed down to a microscopic size. In order for a technology to thrive it has to become economically competitive with other sources of energy generation. NIF fusion experiments are at least six orders of magnitude away from that.
So how many of these little fusion pellets are consumed in say an hour of operation?
IIRC, the “Hohlraum” is destroyed in the process, at around 10 billionths of a second. This is the problem with making NIF a continuous source of dependable energy.
Did the ignition equation include the energy spent producing the fuel pellet? Or is it a negligible quantity?
When the lasers fire, and when they compress the fuel pellet is it loud?
Does it cause significant wear and tear on the capacitor banks, SCR's, bussing or switchgear?
No. Typically the only input energy parameter that they announce is the direct energy that goes into compressing and heating the plasma. There are numerous external sources of energy that they often fail to mention when presenting to the press, the public and to the funding administrators higher up.
We must not belittle the effort the folks at the National Ignition Facility have put into this, but it is appropriate to criticize the hype they have put out. They simply got really excited because they finally achieved what they originally claimed they would achieve no later than about a decade prior. It was not a breakthrough. It was merely a modest step up in energy released as compared to a similar test they did a year or so earlier.
Three megajoules sounds like a lot. How much energy is three megajoules? Three megajoules is three million watt-seconds. In comparison, one kilowatt-hour is three point six million watt-seconds. I pay about twelve cents per kilowatt-hour for electric energy delivered to my home. So, if they could convert the energy to electricity and deliver it to a user at 100% efficiency, it would be worth about ten cents. They stated that if they could have caused all the fuel in the pellet to fuse, they would have released about 40 times more energy, if I remember correctly. So that would have been worth about four dollars assuming they could convert all the released energy to electricity.
Using their present approach to releasing the energy, they have to procure the deuterium-tritium fuel, cryogenically cool it, place it in a micron-tolerance diamond sphere, place that inside a precisely made hohlraum tube containing gold as well as other expensive stuff, precisely place the assembly in position, and blast it with 192 huge lasers. It should be clear that they are not on a path to achieve the dream of cheap abundant clean energy for the world.
At the time of announcing their “breakthrough”, they said they expected to repeat the experiment on about a monthly basis, and expected to continue to extend the energy released. Since then, it has been about a year and so far they have announced only one shot that released any more energy than the “breakthrough” achievement. Since the 1950’s, there has been no doubt that mankind can release more energy through fusion than the energy put in (think hydrogen bombs), but the question remains whether we will ever have a cost-effective commercial power source using fusion produced on earth. I hope these folks can at least succeed in their primary mission of assuring nuclear deterrence.
Wow, how refreshing it is to read sane and intelligent comments. I agree with you 100%. This is not the way for power generation, but that wasn't the goal. This is the way to prove ignition is possible on Earth and that the actual power output from fusing can ever be higher than the energy initially put in by the shot itself (not counting inefficiencies in the shot, just the output power of all the lasers). Basically, without actually air-detonating bombs and collecting the radiation and heat off them directly, this proves we can fuse and produce more power than the initial input, meaning it is possible to fuse on Earth for power. Definitely a thing to celebrate! It's possible!
We just don't know how to sustain it long enough to make usable, sellable power yet. That's still a distance off, possibly never if the US doesn't actually have "vehicles not of this Earth" (see Popular Mechanics circa June 2020 via wayback) , but super conflicting evidence on that one.
Hey how can we as a people donate?
Pay your taxes.
Federal funded
@@makk-12 - Almost all the funding for the NIF construction and operation is derived from the U.S. nuclear weapons related portion of the budget.
2 MJ in and they got 3MJ out? absolutely incredible yall ,hats off 👏
gravity waves were ?
Watching the simulations in this video are exciting! More videos with the main focus on the mathematical modeling/numerical simulation aspects would be extremely interesting. Why do they make the pellets so smooth with such precision? Nature is so non-linear and fractal it seems that they are "looking in the wrong direction?"
The so-called 'breakthrough' experiment was expected to occur by 2012. They failed by over a factor of 100. It took a decade of additional tweaking to achieve the original goal. The path that they are taking is propelling them further and further away from a future commercially practical nuclear fusion energy power reactor.
The smoothness and extremely tight dimensional tolerance of the diamond fuel capsule wall is necessary to minimize uneven compression of the frozen fuel layer lining the interior surface of the fuel pellet.
@@vernonbrechin4207 Wouldn't it be the case that if the sphere is so perfectly smooth and tight, there's no way that energy waves could impact the sphere with perfect velocities and at all locations? "Stuff" will always be squeezed out? Isn't there some type of fractal configuration possible?
Why is their path taking them further from a practical reactor?
@@williamschacht - It appears that you are trying to find information that reinforces what you prefer to believe in because you have been pinning so much hope on this technology.
The grown diamond sphere is hollow with only a very thin wall and with a thin layer of the mixed frozen fuel on the interior surface. That fuel layer also had to be extremely uniform. In the announced December 5, 2022, experiment they later admitted that it took about a week to set up the experiment and at least two days to grow the uniform layer of fuel on the inside of the diamond sphere. It was hit by a blast of uniformly configured X-rays. Most of the X-rays went off in directions that didn't contribute to the compression implosion of the fuel capsule. The X-ray flux, that did strike the surface mostly caused the surface to ablate into the surrounding space. The reaction of that ablation resulted in the entire area being turned into a charged plasma with the center of it being driven towards a microscopic center where a portion of it became hot and compressed enough to begin a fusion reaction. That reaction then blasted about 96% of the remaining fuel away from the reaction center before it could become involved in the reaction. As you may know 50% of the fuel mix was very rare, very expensive, radioactive tritium. Much of the gaseous debris was sucked into the chamber vacuum system. As I pointed out the experiment preparation took about a week. The fusion reaction lasted for approximately 0.000,000,000,08 second. NIF can't fire more than a few times per day max. A commercial nuclear fusion reactors would need to fire at a rate of at least ten times per second. The NIF target assembly has been estimated to cost about $100,000 and was mostly turned into an exploding plasma. The design of the fuel capsule has been going on for over a decade and involved other giant laser facilities. It is estimated that NIF has already cost tax payers over $11 billion. This announced experiment generated about enough energy to boil two liters of water.
A successful nuclear fusion energy power plant would need to demonstrate that it can produce power at prices near to that of today's renewable energy sources such as solar panels and wind turbines. NIF is at least six orders of magnitude away from that goal and is increasingly getting more expensive.
Those, who fall in love with such technologies have a strong tendency not to ask about what they are not being told in promotional videos such as appears above.
The NIF project has always been primarily funded as a thermonuclear weapon (H-bomb) research tool. That is the reason they can spend such vast quantities of public funds. The projection, that it it primarily a nuclear fusion energy research tool, is largely a scamming operation.
@@williamschacht - What they failed to convey, in the above video, is how difficult it has been to irradiate the surface of the fuel capsule in an even distribution. It has involved numerous factors which have included modulating the energy of the impinging laser beams on the interior surface of the gold plated hohlraum. The work on this has gone on for decades and has involved more than two other giant laser laboratories. The gold interior surface generates X-rays and then a small fraction of that energy impacts the fuel capsule, causing the surface of it to ablate which then results in an inward force on the contents of the hollow sphere. The wall of the sphere is very thin and the inner surface contains the condensed 50/50 mixture of deuterium and tritium in the form of a thin film. So about 90% of the interior of the sphere is just deuterium and tritium gas at low pressure. As the diamond wall coverts into a plasma that is driven inward it drives the fuel layer towards a microscopically small point at the center. There about 4% of the fuel fuses to form helium with the liberation of energy from the tiny point. That then drives the remaining fuel away from the reaction center so it can't react. Much of the gaseous debris gets sweeped away into the chamber vacuum system. The fusion reaction has very little time to propagate before it is snuffed out. It lasts only for approximately 0.000,000,000,08 second. The experiment took about a week to set up and the formation of the fuel film, on the interior of the capsule took about two days.
A viable commercial nuclear fusion energy reactor would require at least 10 shots per second. NIF was originally expected to achieve the results of the December 5, 2022, experiment back in 2012. It missed its goal by a factor of over 100. It took another decade to finally achieve that goal. Still the laser input energy was over 100 times greater than the generated fusion energy which was about enough to boil two liters of water. In other words NIF requires at least a million times improvement before it can even achieve some basic requirements required by an Inertial Confinement Fusion (ICF) power plant. As you may notice, key issues were not mentioned in the above video.
"Fusion Energy" is a pleasant sounding term, but for energy generation, viable fusion energy production will most likely be hundreds of years out, if ever. Stars do it so easily because gravity is plentiful (and free) at the core of a star. Not so much in a building on the surface of the earth. Thus, the energy requirements needed to compensate for the lack of gravitational energy will always vastly outweigh the useful energy output. But any first year physics major knows this.
Lawrence livermore laboratory Because they were able to grow their own crystals. Past, the laser light through day were able to create the most powerful laces on Earth.
When you say we got 150% energy out. How did we measure that? Did we heat water, turn a turbine and produce that many KWHs? Are are you just guessing based on a sensor?
must be based on converting heat -> water -> turbine
It's not a guess. All they had to do was measure the number of neutrons coming out and calculate. It's completely straightforward.
@@Muonium1 neutrons aren't electricity thou. Every engineering student learns motors aren't 70% efficient. whats the practical energy capture.
@@RabidGoose22 there is no energy capture, it was never designed with that purpose. It's an experimental facility designed to reach ignition, which it's done, that's it. Read the wiki article on it or go to the NIF web page. There were no "guesses" about how much energy came out of the reaction, it's trivial to directly measure that parameter via a number of different diagnostics on the target chamber.
There is no energy gain in the traditional sense: 1300 MJ of chemical energy was converted in conventional coal powerplants and transmitted so 400 MJ electric energy can produce 1.9 MJ laser light energy to DESTROY a million dollar target and gain +1.26 MJ unusable heat in the rubble mass (roughly 0.08 kg of wood gives same amount of energy when burnt, except in a usable form). It is an "energy gain" if deceptively hiding most of the numbers. The number of neutrons multiplied by 17.6 MeV is an upper estimate of the energy liberated (Appr. 2% are DD "side-reactions" also producing some energy, with less neutrons, but no big error in any case; The input energy is more than stated).
Great video.
The problem with the Hologram is that it was not spherical and it was not able to contain and control the neutrons and they had another words if you going to extract energy from something make it like around spear don't make it like the whole ramp all these neutrons and everything is hitting every particles and everything before it could contain you can't contain the field, that's what I'm saying you can't contain the field you can hit the hall around with 60 million degrees temperature but all of the energy is going the neutrons are going to take over and it can't work, it can't work because the Hologram is not round everything dealing with this test of 20 billion of a second it has to be Sparkle it has to contain all of the energy that we put in it neutrons are going everywhere, you can't have that and that's why it didn't work on the first experiment, birthday you know I had to tweak him a little bit but then they figured out if you're going to have a fusion reaction that all of the energy must be contained in the same space like a circle like the sun
Neutrons don't have an electrical charge so after they are generated there is no easy ways to control their flight path.
And I saw it immediately you have a direct beam of laser energy hitting the Isotopes and all of these particles are directed but you have it coming from One Direction you have to contain the entire field to achieve Fusion otherwise neutrons are flying right into the system that we're sending all the data from the neutrons are going everything the whole thing is going to clap the hall around and the hydrogen isotope has to be contained in a spherical field so none of the particles that can get out and if particles get out you can control them and you can see them, they finally figured it out, did my calculations was exactly 5 years and I was one of the first scientists that realized when we found the Higgs field, I saw it, I saw all the data coming from large hard drawing collider and everything like this and I said we were up at my calculations we were at 1:08, and they couldn't be more than that because none of the particles were consistently working with the formula and we have a accurate formula the Higgs particle was generated generator and detected many years before it was I think it was three or four years before we were able to confirm that this is the Higgs, when we saw it and you know what I have to thank all of you guys for being so geeky but still keeping focused on what really matters the Higgs particle was generated at 1:08 gigahertz, it was generated there and we saw the data coming down and you know what me I'm too stupid I'm just a regular guy that likes to eat hot dogs and and treat girls right on a date I'm nobody special but, I saw that we had generated the Higgs particle, and I recognized it and you know what we collect trains of terabytes of data but we never nobody ever gives explanation of how the state is processed but I've seen it, and nothing I'm going to tell you is that if you don't realize that the aliens are out here, all you have to do is pay attention to Common Sense, I looked at all the you know what I'm looking at a 6550 time machine, it's heavy is the most heaviest piece of Machinery that have been created on Earth, and here I am a regular guy, that's God has given me the ability to understand what this is
If a robot were to be adjusted to tell data of the fusion of the power of the sun
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So, they collide and generate/release potential. More out than in doesn't violate physics because the energy potential already exists, and you need to initiate the reaction to release it. Mentioning Einstein still sickens me though.
His equation only regards defined systems with known mathematical conditions and the conversion of one mass into another, and how much energy can be generated and recovered during the length of time it runs on X amount of source within that known and defined system.
*This is why the reference to Einstein rubs me the wrong way. His theory is just so greatly misunderstood, and people reference him to convince the general public of laymen of anything.* I have invented systems that will produce far more out than in, but again, it's a misleading statement and must be explored further within the systems I have invented.
Just grift to get more funding, hehe.
The problem with the future people and the people they have control of nuclear weapons is I don't understand the use of a nuclear weapon. They don't understand the terms the future people that have nuclear weapons do not understand that these weapons must be controlled on the specific conditions. They don't understand them, and that's the part that you're missing, no play a deterrence will not work in this environment because you're adversaries, do not even understand the significance the danger of having a nuclear weapon if you have a nuclear weapon in your country, you are immediately unnuclear they don't understand this. You can't deter the type of attack that America and the entire world is under right now you have to respond to an actively, you cannot say what time is it frightened? The enemies of the United States to follow the rules and regulations under the nuclear regulatory commission International possession and use of nuclear weapons, they don't follow this doctrine, just why don't grateful? President Trump was gonna take office because we have to he had everything going perfectly are nuclear advasors service. We're willing to give up their nuclear weapons, but for financial benefit and benefit of the society. gonna current doctrine of the marxism, and the
I read or watched on you tube ITER is going to be able to breed Tritium. How is the LLNL going to produce the stuff for the NIF?
Also I read new Pit production is going to happen at Los Alamos and a plant on the East Coast. New Pits still need the testing by the LLNL for their viability? Rocky Flats shut down years ago.
Make the ai the concept of absorbsion of the atom and nano of an electro dynamics quantum state
Many people assume that the use of a lot of arcane terms will solve all our problems.
Fusion is great. Not wholly clean, the tritium and deuterium produces neutrons.
That's the point? They produce neutrons for other reactions. If you mean they are radioactive you are also right, tritium is slightly radioactive
@@alihaidar5787 No. The escaping neutrons from fusion strike the vessel walls over time and makes the reactor vessel radioactive.
@@deltonlomatai2309 Neutrons on their own are not radioactive. Neutrons penetrate something called the breeding blanket lined with lithium to produce more tritium and more neutrons to keep the reaction going. A neutron carried no charge, it is non reactive. Radioactivity is the decay of particles which leads to HIGH ENERGY particles that can break DNA. Hypothetically if you were caught in the reaction your DNA would be scrambled but that would be the least of your worries. Coal kills more people due to radiation than Nuclear does. Edit: The breeding blanket also does contain elemental uranium, which overtime will become radioactive I forgot to mention this. The only issue is disposing of the blanket itself not the outside of the walls.
What's the other one, not the T-D fusion, but the other two things that could be used for fusion?
Aneutronic fusion is any form of fusion power in which very little of the energy released is carried by neutrons. While the lowest-threshold nuclear fusion ...
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Uh... is whole video is a joke?
The laser pulse is measured in femtoseconds the amount of energy produced is about that of a couple hundred matchstick heads burning themselves down to nothing.
You need to store the energy to make the laser pulse first. Was there enough energy made by the reaction to recharge those lasers?
No.
So why not? The laser efficiency is very low. Only a small percentage (around 1-3%) of the electricity stored in the capacitors is output as photons in the laser beam. Most of the electrical energy is wasted as non-laser emission heat because the diodes are nowhere near capable of converting anything even close to the majority of electricity into a laser.
This is not the perpetual energy machine that fusion promised to be and the reason is clear. You can't cheat nature (aka: the laws of physics).
This wasn't a breakthrough.
While ignition is definitely worth celebrating, this whole thing feels deliberately misleading. Sure you got more energy out of the _pellet_ than what went into it, but the _the system as a whole_ is still a massive energy sink. That laser power didn't come for free.
This is disingenuous at best and an outright lie of omission at worst. While the public may be fooled, those that follow science news and subscribe to channels like this most certainly will not.
And the big questions still remain; how do you plan to have a net energy gain, and how do you plan to do it reliably, repeatably, and cost-effectively enough to be a viable power source?
I get it; a lot of work has gone into this and some really great science has come out, and you are proud of that. Rightly so. But hyping it as the future of power generation is not even wrong
Quantum Kinetics Corporation is 50 years ahead of NIF. The Arc Reactor has been fired and shows 0.7 KeV to 30keV plasma fusion temperatures at only 5.4 watt/sec.
In another hundred years, maybe we will have a facility big enough to actually be useful
Or, someone will invent something relative to releasing potential energy by inducing a reaction that requires less in that will come out. Einstein's theory is grossly misunderstood because his theory is grossly misleading.
I have some strong and sound theories on a particle accelerator to collide sub atomic particles and possibly, release more potential than was required to generate the reaction.
*Until then, I have invented a new solar generator that is exponentially superior to our modern semiconductor photovoltaic cells.* That one I know for fact works, another I will need to test the theory in my lab, but also believe the output will be even greater than the other system I invented.
*Harnessing the sun's energy more effectively gives the misleading impression of "free energy", but my current working system is so efficient, electricity could eventually be "free" of monetary exchange.
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If you wanna see the real plasma fusion device. Look no further than Quantum Kinetics Corporation. Because, it’s here. It’s patented, trademarked, DOE researched verified, and ready for industry. Hot fusion guys are shaking in their boots.
6:40 This chick's excessive hand gesturing and eye-rolling while speaking is extremely obnoxious.
Just replace her with some AI generated character, already.
Also, her vocal fry was annoying.
The energy needed to prime the lasers was way more than the energy released by the lasers.
Fusion Ignition was therefore not actually achieved.
[Edit: "needee" corrected.]
Fusion occurred. Ignition happened, and that's big step.
What didn't happen was over unity- greater power put than power in- which is what we need for a viable power plant.
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I haven't seen this comment until now...
Fusion is nothing new, LLNL and other labs around the world have been fusing helium for around 30 years now. It's never produced more energy than what was put in to fuse the fuel.