@@nitraM321 we have a review coming out soon. I also posted my thoughts already on the forum. I'd like to think the content of this stream was of higher importance than just my impressions on a headphone.
dCS had six 1 star google reviews (on the day they were exposed) and no other reviews. why now they managed to clear all the 1 star reviews, and in addition there is a fake 5 star review from three days ago (obviously fake because there used to be 0 reviews). ironic that 5 star review praises integrity and values when it's blatantly a fake review.
I do feel like Resolve didn't press enough on the dsp cable for the Dusk. It's a massive negative, that Resolve's own review went very easy on, that needs to be pressed. Crin put his name on it, therefore he's as responsible for the sorry state of using that dsp cable and the Moondrop link app as well. If you weren't confident on it being a fully functional product, it shouldn't have been released. Dsp is not terrible, the implementation with the Dusk is terrible.
Would the Hangout be open 6 or 7 days a week now? I was in SG for a few days last January and the only free time I had was when Hangout was closed, it was on a regular week day and not weekend.
I think the reason people didn't like the use of DSP on the Dusk is not the use of DSP itself, but the proprietary USB-C cable. Even if it didn't introduce weird artefacts and the app worked flawlessly, you still couldn't use them everywhere you would be able to use a 3.5 cable. And at some point the cable is going to break and you won't always be able to get a replacement. Wireless earbuds have the same issues, but to make up for it they come with the convenience of being, you know, wireless. From a UX perspective the Dusk are the worst of both worlds.
@@maegnificant Another reason not to buy. I've spent many thousands of dollars on audio equipment from boutique manufactuers that are now defunct and, while the equipment was great and lasted a long time, now it's a boat anchor because the software is unavailable... or like my Theil CS speakers that need surrounds... good luck fionding them.
I do not agree . The DSP cable is for easy mod , people can have access to great EQ no dac no amps no bullshit just plug and play and be done with it , and have superb sound. But they also offer an analog cable in the package , you can go many site/youtuber etc , they provide wavelet , setting that you can reproduse 100% like the DPS cable , so even if you lose the DSP, you just use analog.....actually like you would any IEMS right???? where is the lock in there im baffle...or the proprietary. I really do not understand this argument , they provide both cable , maybe they could have include all the setting and how to in the box like tutorial and say hey you can do that with analog too so we didnt need to guess/wait to know how to tune the analog , that i 'could' understand....
@@alex97480 I feel like you're trying to not understand the argument on purpose LOL. Their argument is simply why do we HAVE to use the DSP cable in order to achieve the "optimum" sound signature when its implementation thus far has been "barely usable" at best? Why can't the analog output be the same as the DSP's? the way I'm seeing the situation is that the inclusion of the DSP cable, no matter how technical an explanation they can come up with as to how it became a necessity in order to be able to achieve the "desired" tuning, came off as more of a business decision Moondrop made because by itself, their DSP cable just did not sell well, if at all. Is it possible to EQ the analog tuning to match the DSP tuning? sure, but why do WE have to do that work instead of Moondrop themselves? Can Moondrop tune the analog tuning to match the DSP tuning? looking at their decision to hide under the guise of DSP, it's not that they can't, but rather they decided not to in order to be able to ship Dusk out with the DSP cables they couldn't sell a la carte. The worst thing about this practice IMO is that there's a chance that it might set a bad precedent to other IEM brands where instead of taking the time to actually tune the IEM to a certain signature, they would just slap in DSP and call it a day.
To do the baffle step compensation they need to apply different compensation for different front baffle shape. It's easy to calculate that at rectangular baffle with freeware but it need better software to calculate all other special shape from all kinds of high-end speakers. Probably that's why stereophile didn't do the baffle step compensation for the bass response.
What's the matter with Moondrop Variations that was referenced here (and before)? I would very much like to know where to look for that info. Please 🙏🏻
I will copy my reply to a comment above: IIRC Variations have issues with nonlinearites, meaning their frequency response varies significantly with volume.
@37:30: Regarding DSP controversy, it's Crin, who put forward that "you don't need to pay for tuning". So if you need to EQ the IEM to sound good, why pay $359? A lot of controversy could be mitigated if Dusk DSP default tuning was analog, with 4 additional EQ profiles.
Resolve could've pushed on the whole "app is terrible" issue, because it's exactly my abysmal experience with the Moondrop May while tinkering with Moondrop Link that struck Dusk out of my shopping list in favor of a Davinci + MEGA5EST combo. The Davinci being the one replacing Dusk pricewise (I might have gone for Dusk + MEGA5EST otherwise). If the best tuning and further DSP EQing is gated behind the cable + Link, I'd rather have a great IEM that just works right of the box everywhere. Misfire.
@@GoufinAround_ and I was not disappointed. DaVinci underpromised, overdelivered, and is a very unique IEM, with a very distinctive personality. I adore it, and will probably blind buy Timmy's next collab. To be clear, I tremendously respect Crin's tuning philosophy, and bought all his collabs within my price range. However, it's disingenuous to say that the app is a Herbert problem and not a Crin problem, when the package for the product itself also bears your name and you get royalties from it. Crin, being the charming guy that he is, rhetorically gifted even, so deftly spun out an extremely valid criticism coming from Resolve to the point that a couple of beats later we were talking about how nerdy Herbert is rather than "but Crin, that 'DSP as a fundamental complement to the Dusk's desirable tuning' is a Crin + Herbert thing and you can't just blame Herbert" -- even more so when there had been enough time to witness the problematic release of the May. And the May's problems still haven't been fixed, with the app constantly crashing and me never being sure if EQ profiles have been updated or not. I've defaulted to analogue with the Mays, as many have with the Dusks. Is that worth 360 bucks? Perhaps so, but that would also be saying that the marketing for this thing was all hype and zero substance. Pick your poison. In any case, this entire conversation is a good illustration of the entire "journalists vs content producers vs salespeople vs friends vs columnists". Journalists would have immediately pressed Crin. I suspect quite a few columnists would, as well. But then again, Crin is such a snake charmer that Resolve can be excused and retain his columnist credentials.
I did say it was terrible, both here and in the review. I think everyone said it was terrible. HOWEVER... as has been noted, you don't need the app to get the good tuning.
@@ResolveReviews for sure, I just wish you did not let Crin change subjects so quickly; there was more to grill him on that. For instance: why, since the launch of the May (perhaps since that of the FreeDSP?), a lot of extremely obvious issues with the software were not fixed, and remain a hassle? Why no iOS launch, on top of that? Since the entire DSP thing is integral to the product's very concept, that appears to be a big oversight, and a dealbraker to many people. Moondrop is a smart company and so is Crin...this sort of behavior puzzles me because it radically goes against the expectations of a quality product launch from both Moondrop and Crin. I recall you mentioning in your review that the best tuning for the Dusk depends on the DSP cable functioning properly. So how come said tuning remains gatekept behind that horrendous app? Why was the product launched in the state that it was, since all It did was to undermine one of the main features of the product? And why alienate the massive userbase of iOS users? I think those are fair questions to ask and press Crin/Moondrop on. As a mitigating point, one could claim that the default cable configuration is great and is the not dependant on the app. Nonetheless, we were promised we could tinker and play around with the DSP, right? Otherwise, there's really no reason for the both the DSP and the app. Crin claims it would be hard to do that minor tweak he needed to do in order to reach the ideal tuning with the driver configuration they chose. Was that such an insurmountable obstacle to begin with, or something that could be solved in some other way, even if that meant further delays or a slight increase in costs? Not being an expert, it's hard for me to evaluate, but it's problematic from an optics standpoint to Moondrop/Crin when the entire marketing campaign for Dusk gravitates around the wonders of DSP. Was going so strongly into DSP a makeshift solution? a marketing stunt? the only necessary option Moondrop and Crin had due to technology, budgetary, or schedule concerns? Something else entirely? Guess we'll never know, because Crin easily deflected your attempt to gatuer some insight into those issues. All of this is not meant as a dig to you, Resolve; I greatly enjoy your work. I just wish that, regardless of of your work being recognized as joirnalistic by journalists, you'd settle for mere than being a columnist just because you occupy a grey area across a variety of better defined content production firlds. In the end, I think that's selling yourself and your work short.
@@ResolveReviews for sure, I just wish you did not let Crin change subjects so quickly; there was more to grill him on that. For instance: why, since the launch of the May (perhaps since that of the FreeDSP?), a lot of extremely obvious issues with the software were not fixed, and remain a hassle? Why no iOS launch, on top of that? Since the entire DSP thing is integral to the product's very concept, that appears to be a big oversight, and a dealbraker to many people. Moondrop is a smart company and so is Crin...this sort of behavior puzzles me because it radically goes against the expectations of a quality product launch from both Moondrop and Crin. I recall you mentioning in your review that the best tuning for the Dusk depends on the DSP cable functioning properly. So how come said tuning remains gatekept behind that horrendous app? Why was the product launched in the state that it was, since all It did was to undermine one of the main features of the product? And why alienate the massive userbase of iOS users? I think those are fair questions to ask and press Crin/Moondrop on. As a mitigating point, one could claim that the default cable configuration is great, and that it is the not dependant on the app. Nonetheless, we were promised we could tinker and play around with the DSP, right? Otherwise, there's really no reason for both the DSP and the app. Crin claims it would be hard to do that minor tweak he needed to do in order to reach the ideal tuning with the driver configuration they chose. Was that such an insurmountable obstacle to begin with, or something that could be solved in some other way, even if that meant further delays or a slight increase in costs? Not being an expert, it's hard for me to evaluate, but it's problematic from an optics standpoint to Moondrop/Crin when the entire marketing campaign for Dusk gravitates around the wonders of DSP. Was going so strongly into DSP a makeshift solution? a marketing stunt? the only necessary option Moondrop and Crin had due to technology, budgetary, or schedule concerns? Something else entirely? What we got from Crin is that people complain too much, basically. Another pretty good question you posed was that relying on a DSP USB-C connector screws up with setups people have in their systems. The reply, again: well, maybe people are being limites by their setups...The problem always lies with someone else. Even Herbert got dragged into this (though he shares at least half of the responsibility), but never Crin himself. Guess we'll never know, because Crin easily deflected your attempt to gather some insight into those issues. All of this is not meant to be a dig to you, Resolve; I greatly enjoy your work. I just wish that, regardless of of your work being recognized as joirnalistic by journalists or not, you'd settle for more than being (self)categorized a scolumnist just because you occupy a grey area across a variety of better defined types of content production. In the end, I think that's selling yourself and your work short.
Good chat n’ audio related shenanigans talked about t’night, including the bombshell dropped by resolve regarding “cables do matter for audio quality”…………..
I mean, anyone with a bit of common sense and a high school graduation can see that cables don't matter, but this issue just won't die for some reason.
And that's the difference. That region also seems to be a bit difficult to pin down though as well with blocked canal data. When we were testing this we found that the results were extremely sensitive to microphone placement and positional variation.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow Yes, as far as I understand that is the area of high degree of uncertainty and variation between different ears and/or fittings. That's why it makes sense to be prudent and err on the side of caution there, which is what was done with JM-1 as far as I understand, while SoundGuys target closer to the upper boundaries of what's possible in that frequency range. Can't wait to learn about further developments and findings in that endeavor of yours. Are there any predictions on when we could hope to hear/read more about that project's proceedings on stream or in a written feature article maybe?
If you still haven't found out: IIRC Variations have issues with nonlinearites, meaning their frequency response varies significantly with volume. I swear I have seen a graph from oratory demonstrating this, but can't find it anywhere.
If only reviewers reach the tier of Crinn, this company hopefully is inspired to reach this. Cheers.
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Well, whatever the maximum volume the Sennheiser HE-60 were made for - it's not enough. I listened to one Mahler symphony on my usual level and now I have a dead pair of HE-60.
I think when youre doing thewe super long live streams it would be good for everyone (includong for your channels views) if you could cut it up into shorter videos that you release over the coming days after the stream. You could even have a seperate channel for those shorter cuts
Which apology? There IS NONE - They never apologised. All you got is a corporate speech letter trying to shift the blame and not admitting ANY wrongdoing on their parts. That is a reason to completely reject that company. Excuses and lies require companies to be boycotted. that is the only way that they will ever change.
1:15:30 - “risky” reviewers getting blacklisted? I worked for an automotive company and knew several of our PR department folks - the department that passed out vehicles for automotive writers to review. I guarantee the PR folks “managed” who got vehicles when they asked for them and particularly which reviewers got hot new models early on before launch. And then there were the reviewers where the answer might be something like “oh, apologies, all our press vehicles are currently out on loan”. ;-) Even today, with the popularity of TH-cam automotive reviewers, if you watch the content carefully, you can tell who is favored by the automotive brands, for pre-launch vehicles to review.
This is a really common comment on the forums from people who run budget/ vintage hifi. I strongly suspect most of them would never buy DCS, Mola Mola or anything of that level, regardless of any controversy.
@@ChrisMag100 Are you the new Vp of Sales at dCS? Whether I buy or own high end audio has nothing to do with the abysmal behavior AND backhanded apology from dCS. Your comment is is common from people who think that just because they spend 5 figures or more on a system they are the only ones qualified to comment.
i don't get why so many people don't like crin. I always respect his review even his taste is bit different than mine, but i like his unapologetic view/opinions. Now days it seems at there a new hype each month that being propagate by "reviewers", till i don't know what their taste really are... I'm lucky to be able to buy and try myself and just sold it at loss when i don't like it.. to be honest i like Crin more than some other reviewers..
history of shilly behavior, and a history of downplaying objective metrics by saying things that ride against said objective metrics. Not much rhyme or reason to the things he says beyond what one one expect from a regular person doing the same evaluations.
@@CptMark That in fact is where the location of the offense occurs, he would provide the measurements, and then speak in contrary to them saying things like "i know in the measurements etc.. but X".
@@JayJayYUP because he is correct. The measurement on the synthetic coupler will never align with your own HRTF profile. He cam say what he hears is not presented by the graph because it literally isn't, for anyone.
I actually liked the Audivina at CanJam. In fact, I take reviews from these guys with a large chunk of salt because of their distaste for things that I have tried and actually liked. A lot of times they become negatively fixated on things I actually don't care about or even enjoy. So if someone says they specifically buy things that the reviewers don't like, I kind of understand that.
I own a dCS Rossini APEX and clock. I have visited the dCS factory in Swavesey, UK. I have met a number of the dCS team. It seems to me that this whole sorry saga was caused by poor judgement on the part of a US-based sales VP, who has now been fired and the UK-based CEO has apologised. All I can say is, that I am delighted with my Rossini and that the dCS people I know are of the highest level of professionalism and engineering expertise. However, I think a number of online and YT commentators are making assumptions that serve their own agendas without knowing all the facts and that risks doing no one, nor the high end audio industry, any favours in the long run.
@@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah Trashing a company whilst hiding behind anonymity is ignorant, vindictive, cowardly behaviour far too prevalent amongst the throngs of armchair internet commentators who have absolutely no first hand knowledge about what they are talking about. What is wrong in putting an alternative view? Or do you prefer to shut down debate?
why would you threaten a media + review channel. Its just bad publicity that compounds. counterproductive, even if the reviewer didn't do a good job being neutral and did do some damage to the brand value.
You guys review thousands of products. In terms or reviewing, you DO KNOW BETTER. That's the point of reviewers, ffs. You generate a mostly unbiased (unlike the manufacturers) and experienced opinion about a product, compared to similar products.
Erin skewed a speaker I own, and the designer was upset with what he did. But the speaker came from a viewer. And some in the field were not made to spec., which skewed the testing.
We can all agree that FR is just half of the equation when it comes to how an iem or headphone sound BUT why can't be an ear-tuned be considered legit then? Ear-tuned is more of a house sound thing imo and most of the time house sound is very much talked about.
Honestly, Crin's opinion hasn't been a great one to me in awhile. Especially given how many companies he's worked with now and how polarizing his collabs are. Polarizing being how the quality of the Dusk is hidden behind a horrific app and dsp cable. He's also not understanding the backlash on his simgot takes at all? Or just being dismissive. People didn't like that he just talked shit about widely well reviewed iems that competed with an upcoming collab of his. Then when that collab came out and people were saying that it's worse than the simgot sets he spoke about, it came off even worse.
Isn't that why he's quitting reviews so you wouldn't have to hear his opinions anymore on things that would cause a conflict of interest between his collabs and other products? On one hand I understand his opinions are his own (am not a fan of Simgots in general myself from what I've tried) but it is reasonable to think about it is a bad look with him having his own stuff on the table as well.
@@louisantonio2462 I don't think having collabs inherently creates a conflict of interest. The problem he created with his simgot tweets was all due to timing. He was one of the last ones that spoke on them and it was right before his competing collab came out. If he doesn't have the time to keep up on reviews, then I think he should stop.
@@GoufinAround_ Collabs create inherent conflicts of interests if we're talking about then convering products from the company you're doing the collab with - every ethicist you can possibly consult today would affirm this claim.
@@GoufinAround_ He did say he is quitting reviews altogether in his latest Crin video because he is officially opening up an online store, so he is fully leaning into his role as a seller than reviewer. Personally I feel like the Simgot tweet situation is a tad overblown (the timing is horrible but with Crin as a reviewer was on his way out at that point and people who do like Simgot would not change their opinion just because Crin said otherwise would not change much in the grand scheme of things) and I would rather put in more attention in how his latest collabs are not up to snuff with his previous works, between the Dusk DSP and just Singolo being mid, etc.
@@GoufinAround_ No one is saying that they can’t be a reviewer. They can do whatever they want. But what they can’t do is get butthurt if they decide to review something that’s in direct competition with their product and then get side looks from the public.
@@arthurhaywood2184 Relax, colabs are just someone granting their name to a brand for marketing purposes. In some cases, the influencer will gesture at a FR graph and ask for changes; in some cases, the influencer will tinker with pads or stuffing materials (and convince themselves they made a discovery). But, for the most part, it’s cosmetic changes and an influencer granting their name to a brand for marketing purposes.
I was coming in ready to give a big thumbs up for dCS apology, but then that Crin video was plain questionable like you gave him this platform to spin his narrative. he was strawmanning his own viewers. what the heck. 4:34 and 4:22 did you hear how he twisted his viewers' words into falsehood? I 100% guarantee Crin put words in his viewers mouths. no one would agree with that and you guys should've caught it, especially when he shamelessly said "if that was truly the case."
What a bunch of entitled nobodies! Try and build a speaker, dac or amp…and then make a business out of it! It is an incredibly difficult and courageous thing to do….I Like Steve Gutenbergs take on negative reviews. Don’t do them out of respect for the craftsmanship that went into the gear, good or bad.
At least three of us have made our own headphones/IEMs/speakers. Blaine is literally an acoustics engineer. But even if we hadn't made anything, that doesn't preclude us from providing commentary on this stuff, nor would that impinge on the potential correctness of our positions.
@stifoli So you are happy to pay hard earned cash for “supposed” manufacturers craftsmanship , but then you find that the item in question has notable errors/flaws when listening so you keep quiet about them out of respect for the manufacturer? That doesn’t sound much like the description of a “reviewer” to myself, that sounds more like an extension of the manufacturers marketing team. Steve is great to watch, I’d love to have a pint with him but I certainly wouldn’t trust his ears as I doubt he has much response over 10kHz and I want told if a product doesn’t live up to expectations.
Wow seriously?! Because something is difficult to do we should give the product or person a break?! So wtf is a purchaser to do if there are only good reviews? What a moronic thing to type. Oh and as mentioned these guys have made products inc DMS.
I find it quite interesting to imagine a worldview where consumers do not matter, but manufacturers do. Are you, like, entirely agnostic to the quality of the products you consume? You mention craftsmanship, but how do we make comparisons there without a reference for "not very craftsmanlike"?
Audio levels are normalized a few minutes in.
Hey Resolve, are the headphones you are wearing in this episode the new Susvaras?
@@luigiheewan susvara unveiled
@@nitraM321 we have a review coming out soon. I also posted my thoughts already on the forum. I'd like to think the content of this stream was of higher importance than just my impressions on a headphone.
id prefer a 5db gain to match system audio for future live streams. Atleast
dCS Apology chat starts @ 51:28
Thanks man, finding this in a 4hr video wasn’t something I was will to invest in.
Thanks, I did not want to listen to the strange Crinacle interview where it looked like it was designed to let Crin strawman his viewers.
what apology?
Thank you.
Not all heros wear capes
dCS had six 1 star google reviews (on the day they were exposed) and no other reviews. why now they managed to clear all the 1 star reviews, and in addition there is a fake 5 star review from three days ago (obviously fake because there used to be 0 reviews). ironic that 5 star review praises integrity and values when it's blatantly a fake review.
4 hours 😮 no timline 😢
I blame Blaine.
@@ResolveReviews He has been Blaimed for this
@@ResolveReviews Gonna name Blaine now SilverSound
I do feel like Resolve didn't press enough on the dsp cable for the Dusk. It's a massive negative, that Resolve's own review went very easy on, that needs to be pressed. Crin put his name on it, therefore he's as responsible for the sorry state of using that dsp cable and the Moondrop link app as well. If you weren't confident on it being a fully functional product, it shouldn't have been released. Dsp is not terrible, the implementation with the Dusk is terrible.
Just want to point out, it's amazing audio experts do a video with amazing audio quality, even if there's overlapping audio
This hobby needs better curated offerings on retail sites. Synergy should be your expertise.
Would the Hangout be open 6 or 7 days a week now? I was in SG for a few days last January and the only free time I had was when Hangout was closed, it was on a regular week day and not weekend.
I LOVE Erin!❤❤❤❤
I think the reason people didn't like the use of DSP on the Dusk is not the use of DSP itself, but the proprietary USB-C cable. Even if it didn't introduce weird artefacts and the app worked flawlessly, you still couldn't use them everywhere you would be able to use a 3.5 cable. And at some point the cable is going to break and you won't always be able to get a replacement. Wireless earbuds have the same issues, but to make up for it they come with the convenience of being, you know, wireless. From a UX perspective the Dusk are the worst of both worlds.
Correct and they know that.
@@maegnificant Another reason not to buy. I've spent many thousands of dollars on audio equipment from boutique manufactuers that are now defunct and, while the equipment was great and lasted a long time, now it's a boat anchor because the software is unavailable... or like my Theil CS speakers that need surrounds... good luck fionding them.
I do not agree . The DSP cable is for easy mod , people can have access to great EQ no dac no amps no bullshit just plug and play and be done with it , and have superb sound.
But they also offer an analog cable in the package , you can go many site/youtuber etc , they provide wavelet , setting that you can reproduse 100% like the DPS cable , so even if you lose the DSP, you just use analog.....actually like you would any IEMS right???? where is the lock in there im baffle...or the proprietary.
I really do not understand this argument , they provide both cable , maybe they could have include all the setting and how to in the box like tutorial and say hey you can do that with analog too so we didnt need to guess/wait to know how to tune the analog , that i 'could' understand....
@@alex97480 I feel like you're trying to not understand the argument on purpose LOL. Their argument is simply why do we HAVE to use the DSP cable in order to achieve the "optimum" sound signature when its implementation thus far has been "barely usable" at best? Why can't the analog output be the same as the DSP's?
the way I'm seeing the situation is that the inclusion of the DSP cable, no matter how technical an explanation they can come up with as to how it became a necessity in order to be able to achieve the "desired" tuning, came off as more of a business decision Moondrop made because by itself, their DSP cable just did not sell well, if at all.
Is it possible to EQ the analog tuning to match the DSP tuning? sure, but why do WE have to do that work instead of Moondrop themselves? Can Moondrop tune the analog tuning to match the DSP tuning? looking at their decision to hide under the guise of DSP, it's not that they can't, but rather they decided not to in order to be able to ship Dusk out with the DSP cables they couldn't sell a la carte.
The worst thing about this practice IMO is that there's a chance that it might set a bad precedent to other IEM brands where instead of taking the time to actually tune the IEM to a certain signature, they would just slap in DSP and call it a day.
To do the baffle step compensation they need to apply different compensation for different front baffle shape. It's easy to calculate that at rectangular baffle with freeware but it need better software to calculate all other special shape from all kinds of high-end speakers. Probably that's why stereophile didn't do the baffle step compensation for the bass response.
What's the matter with Moondrop Variations that was referenced here (and before)? I would very much like to know where to look for that info. Please 🙏🏻
I will copy my reply to a comment above: IIRC Variations have issues with nonlinearites, meaning their frequency response varies significantly with volume.
@@n0xt Oh, shoot. That's not good...
Thank you very much for the info! 🙏🏻
A correction: ATC do NOT use DSP, they don't even use digital in their active speakers. They are totally analogue.
@37:30: Regarding DSP controversy, it's Crin, who put forward that "you don't need to pay for tuning". So if you need to EQ the IEM to sound good, why pay $359? A lot of controversy could be mitigated if Dusk DSP default tuning was analog, with 4 additional EQ profiles.
Resolve could've pushed on the whole "app is terrible" issue, because it's exactly my abysmal experience with the Moondrop May while tinkering with Moondrop Link that struck Dusk out of my shopping list in favor of a Davinci + MEGA5EST combo. The Davinci being the one replacing Dusk pricewise (I might have gone for Dusk + MEGA5EST otherwise). If the best tuning and further DSP EQing is gated behind the cable + Link, I'd rather have a great IEM that just works right of the box everywhere. Misfire.
That is exactly what I feel and I also decided to go with a Davinci instead.
@@GoufinAround_ and I was not disappointed. DaVinci underpromised, overdelivered, and is a very unique IEM, with a very distinctive personality. I adore it, and will probably blind buy Timmy's next collab.
To be clear, I tremendously respect Crin's tuning philosophy, and bought all his collabs within my price range. However, it's disingenuous to say that the app is a Herbert problem and not a Crin problem, when the package for the product itself also bears your name and you get royalties from it.
Crin, being the charming guy that he is, rhetorically gifted even, so deftly spun out an extremely valid criticism coming from Resolve to the point that a couple of beats later we were talking about how nerdy Herbert is rather than "but Crin, that 'DSP as a fundamental complement to the Dusk's desirable tuning' is a Crin + Herbert thing and you can't just blame Herbert" -- even more so when there had been enough time to witness the problematic release of the May. And the May's problems still haven't been fixed, with the app constantly crashing and me never being sure if EQ profiles have been updated or not. I've defaulted to analogue with the Mays, as many have with the Dusks.
Is that worth 360 bucks? Perhaps so, but that would also be saying that the marketing for this thing was all hype and zero substance. Pick your poison.
In any case, this entire conversation is a good illustration of the entire "journalists vs content producers vs salespeople vs friends vs columnists". Journalists would have immediately pressed Crin. I suspect quite a few columnists would, as well. But then again, Crin is such a snake charmer that Resolve can be excused and retain his columnist credentials.
I did say it was terrible, both here and in the review. I think everyone said it was terrible. HOWEVER... as has been noted, you don't need the app to get the good tuning.
@@ResolveReviews for sure, I just wish you did not let Crin change subjects so quickly; there was more to grill him on that. For instance: why, since the launch of the May (perhaps since that of the FreeDSP?), a lot of extremely obvious issues with the software were not fixed, and remain a hassle? Why no iOS launch, on top of that? Since the entire DSP thing is integral to the product's very concept, that appears to be a big oversight, and a dealbraker to many people. Moondrop is a smart company and so is Crin...this sort of behavior puzzles me because it radically goes against the expectations of a quality product launch from both Moondrop and Crin.
I recall you mentioning in your review that the best tuning for the Dusk depends on the DSP cable functioning properly. So how come said tuning remains gatekept behind that horrendous app? Why was the product launched in the state that it was, since all
It did was to undermine one of the main features of the product? And why alienate the massive userbase of iOS users? I think those are fair questions to ask and press Crin/Moondrop on.
As a mitigating point, one could claim that the default cable configuration is great and is the not dependant on the app. Nonetheless, we were promised we could tinker and play around with the DSP, right? Otherwise, there's really no reason for the both the DSP and the app. Crin claims it would be hard to do that minor tweak he needed to do in order to reach the ideal tuning with the driver configuration they chose. Was that such an insurmountable obstacle to begin with, or something that could be solved in some other way, even if that meant further delays or a slight increase in costs?
Not being an expert, it's hard for me to evaluate, but it's problematic from an optics standpoint to Moondrop/Crin when the entire marketing campaign for Dusk gravitates around the wonders of DSP. Was going so strongly into DSP a makeshift solution? a marketing stunt? the only necessary option Moondrop and Crin had due to technology, budgetary, or schedule concerns? Something else entirely?
Guess we'll never know, because Crin easily deflected your attempt to gatuer some insight into those issues.
All of this is not meant as a dig to you, Resolve; I greatly enjoy your work. I just wish that, regardless of of your work being recognized as joirnalistic by journalists, you'd settle for mere than being a columnist just because you occupy a grey area across a variety of better defined content production firlds. In the end, I think that's selling yourself and your work short.
@@ResolveReviews for sure, I just wish you did not let Crin change subjects so quickly; there was more to grill him on that. For instance: why, since the launch of the May (perhaps since that of the FreeDSP?), a lot of extremely obvious issues with the software were not fixed, and remain a hassle? Why no iOS launch, on top of that? Since the entire DSP thing is integral to the product's very concept, that appears to be a big oversight, and a dealbraker to many people. Moondrop is a smart company and so is Crin...this sort of behavior puzzles me because it radically goes against the expectations of a quality product launch from both Moondrop and Crin.
I recall you mentioning in your review that the best tuning for the Dusk depends on the DSP cable functioning properly. So how come said tuning remains gatekept behind that horrendous app? Why was the product launched in the state that it was, since all It did was to undermine one of the main features of the product? And why alienate the massive userbase of iOS users? I think those are fair questions to ask and press Crin/Moondrop on.
As a mitigating point, one could claim that the default cable configuration is great, and that it is the not dependant on the app. Nonetheless, we were promised we could tinker and play around with the DSP, right? Otherwise, there's really no reason for both the DSP and the app. Crin claims it would be hard to do that minor tweak he needed to do in order to reach the ideal tuning with the driver configuration they chose. Was that such an insurmountable obstacle to begin with, or something that could be solved in some other way, even if that meant further delays or a slight increase in costs?
Not being an expert, it's hard for me to evaluate, but it's problematic from an optics standpoint to Moondrop/Crin when the entire marketing campaign for Dusk gravitates around the wonders of DSP. Was going so strongly into DSP a makeshift solution? a marketing stunt? the only necessary option Moondrop and Crin had due to technology, budgetary, or schedule concerns? Something else entirely? What we got from Crin is that people complain too much, basically. Another pretty good question you posed was that relying on a DSP USB-C connector screws up with setups people have in their systems. The reply, again: well, maybe people are being limites by their setups...The problem always lies with someone else. Even Herbert got dragged into this (though he shares at least half of the responsibility), but never Crin himself.
Guess we'll never know, because Crin easily deflected your attempt to gather some insight into those issues.
All of this is not meant to be a dig to you, Resolve; I greatly enjoy your work. I just wish that, regardless of of your work being recognized as joirnalistic by journalists or not, you'd settle for more than being (self)categorized a scolumnist just because you occupy a grey area across a variety of better defined types of content production. In the end, I think that's selling yourself and your work short.
Most reviewers simply don’t review things that would get bad reviews. That’s why the distribution is tilted towards the positive.
Word
That’s why Amir at audiosciencereview is such a treasure, he has zero hesitation to give stuff bad reviews.
@@ZombieLincoln666 But he's also far more biased towards measurements rather than "feelings" despite audio being fundamentally a subjective hobby ...
@@someoneelse1550 He's still useful. You just have to learn how to identify what is useful and how it can be applied to making purchase decisions
@@GoufinAround_ Absolutely. I love the information he provides when I need it, but I generally don't take his reviews at face value
@1:46:00: I think Oluv had Amazon links and had consistently negative reviews to most of the stuff. :)
Good chat n’ audio related shenanigans talked about t’night, including the bombshell dropped by resolve regarding “cables do matter for audio quality”…………..
I mean, anyone with a bit of common sense and a high school graduation can see that cables don't matter, but this issue just won't die for some reason.
@@DrinkWater713 It’ll die when it stops becoming profitable
SoundGuys target curve is basically JM-1? I mean, it tracks pretty closely up until around 10 kHz, but it has a lot more upper treble.
And that's the difference. That region also seems to be a bit difficult to pin down though as well with blocked canal data. When we were testing this we found that the results were extremely sensitive to microphone placement and positional variation.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow
Yes, as far as I understand that is the area of high degree of uncertainty and variation between different ears and/or fittings. That's why it makes sense to be prudent and err on the side of caution there, which is what was done with JM-1 as far as I understand, while SoundGuys target closer to the upper boundaries of what's possible in that frequency range.
Can't wait to learn about further developments and findings in that endeavor of yours. Are there any predictions on when we could hope to hear/read more about that project's proceedings on stream or in a written feature article maybe?
Can someone direct me to the data mentioned at 3:40:02
If you still haven't found out: IIRC Variations have issues with nonlinearites, meaning their frequency response varies significantly with volume. I swear I have seen a graph from oratory demonstrating this, but can't find it anywhere.
@@n0xt I was not aware, thanks for letting me know.
If only reviewers reach the tier of Crinn, this company hopefully is inspired to reach this. Cheers.
Well, whatever the maximum volume the Sennheiser HE-60 were made for - it's not enough. I listened to one Mahler symphony on my usual level and now I have a dead pair of HE-60.
I think when youre doing thewe super long live streams it would be good for everyone (includong for your channels views) if you could cut it up into shorter videos that you release over the coming days after the stream. You could even have a seperate channel for those shorter cuts
Damn only four hours.
right?
took a whole day off for this
I would take a week off if its good😊
Which apology?
There IS NONE - They never apologised. All you got is a corporate speech letter trying to shift the blame and not admitting ANY wrongdoing on their parts.
That is a reason to completely reject that company. Excuses and lies require companies to be boycotted. that is the only way that they will ever change.
Audiophile washing machine is CLUTCH!
Your take on the distinction between reviewers and journalists immediately tells me you are reviewers.
Crin claims that he is not MoonDrop but have we ever seen him and all of MoonDrop in the same room? Just sayin'.
Audio is too low !!
Would LOVE to see a review of the AVANTONE PLANAR! 😮
1:15:30 - “risky” reviewers getting blacklisted? I worked for an automotive company and knew several of our PR department folks - the department that passed out vehicles for automotive writers to review. I guarantee the PR folks “managed” who got vehicles when they asked for them and particularly which reviewers got hot new models early on before launch. And then there were the reviewers where the answer might be something like “oh, apologies, all our press vehicles are currently out on loan”. ;-)
Even today, with the popularity of TH-cam automotive reviewers, if you watch the content carefully, you can tell who is favored by the automotive brands, for pre-launch vehicles to review.
Your job sounds awful. Lmao
@@En_Joshi-Godrez haha, I said absolutely nothing about my job.
dCS lost any chance to get my money. Full stop.
This is a really common comment on the forums from people who run budget/ vintage hifi. I strongly suspect most of them would never buy DCS, Mola Mola or anything of that level, regardless of any controversy.
@@ChrisMag100lol
@@ChrisMag100 Are you the new Vp of Sales at dCS? Whether I buy or own high end audio has nothing to do with the abysmal behavior AND backhanded apology from dCS. Your comment is is common from people who think that just because they spend 5 figures or more on a system they are the only ones qualified to comment.
The blinking boxes are too much. It's giving me a headache
i don't get why so many people don't like crin. I always respect his review even his taste is bit different than mine, but i like his unapologetic view/opinions.
Now days it seems at there a new hype each month that being propagate by "reviewers", till i don't know what their taste really are... I'm lucky to be able to buy and try myself and just sold it at loss when i don't like it..
to be honest i like Crin more than some other reviewers..
history of shilly behavior, and a history of downplaying objective metrics by saying things that ride against said objective metrics. Not much rhyme or reason to the things he says beyond what one one expect from a regular person doing the same evaluations.
@@JayJayYUP Downplaying objective metrics? The guy made a revolution with his measurement database.
@@CptMark That in fact is where the location of the offense occurs, he would provide the measurements, and then speak in contrary to them saying things like "i know in the measurements etc.. but X".
@@JayJayYUP because he is correct. The measurement on the synthetic coupler will never align with your own HRTF profile. He cam say what he hears is not presented by the graph because it literally isn't, for anyone.
@@JayJayYUP what are you even trying to say? Lmao
I actually liked the Audivina at CanJam. In fact, I take reviews from these guys with a large chunk of salt because of their distaste for things that I have tried and actually liked. A lot of times they become negatively fixated on things I actually don't care about or even enjoy. So if someone says they specifically buy things that the reviewers don't like, I kind of understand that.
Mega5 est vs io volare with eq which one is better value?
wow 2 people making video call with hd800/hd800s
Grell OAE1 comments in 2:54:00
I own a dCS Rossini APEX and clock. I have visited the dCS factory in Swavesey, UK. I have met a number of the dCS team. It seems to me that this whole sorry saga was caused by poor judgement on the part of a US-based sales VP, who has now been fired and the UK-based CEO has apologised. All I can say is, that I am delighted with my Rossini and that the dCS people I know are of the highest level of professionalism and engineering expertise. However, I think a number of online and YT commentators are making assumptions that serve their own agendas without knowing all the facts and that risks doing no one, nor the high end audio industry, any favours in the long run.
Really sad to see a grown adult hoodwinked this easily.
fighting for a company you bought something from is pathetic behavior
@@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah Trashing a company whilst hiding behind anonymity is ignorant, vindictive, cowardly behaviour far too prevalent amongst the throngs of armchair internet commentators who have absolutely no first hand knowledge about what they are talking about. What is wrong in putting an alternative view? Or do you prefer to shut down debate?
@@daveuk1324 no I prefer to have a clear disdain for anti consumer nonsense but seems you're far too deep into sucking off companies
why would you threaten a media + review channel. Its just bad publicity that compounds. counterproductive, even if the reviewer didn't do a good job being neutral and did do some damage to the brand value.
You guys review thousands of products. In terms or reviewing, you DO KNOW BETTER. That's the point of reviewers, ffs. You generate a mostly unbiased (unlike the manufacturers) and experienced opinion about a product, compared to similar products.
none earmuff chad vs headclamp soy posse
Crin, let's face it - there is an ARMY of IEM reviewers on YT - enjoy your early retirement.
Erin skewed a speaker I own, and the designer was upset with what he did. But the speaker came from a viewer. And some in the field were not made to spec., which skewed the testing.
Then that's the manufacturer ls fault. Based Erin for not conforming to manufacturers whims that are only "unfair" for them.
Erin completed a second review that held up his original findings.
@charlesnr thoughts and prayers in this troubling times for you
Who is the Erin guy ?
Your favourite reviewers’ favourite reviewer
@@camille_l777 uh ... Thanks ?
Yep. He's high up in their caste system.
A reviewer that heavily focuses on objective measurements.
@@ZombieLincoln666 thank you
I guess it's too much to expect audio quality from an Audiophile channel... Gotta go for the mixing engineer channels for that...
It normalizes a few minutes in.
Can't watch this. Audio levels are bad
true audiophile here!
Damn! Over four hours long!
If you watch the kind of vids i watch, this is a short.
@@GMitchell2012 That's a pretty tragic flex 😅
Opinion are like assholes everybody has one.
4h madness!
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟/🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Lol Crin grandaddy of all moondrop shills and proponent of gigabuck iems and headphones, whose mic sounds like it's built in to a 2010 Google Nexus
Crinacle then Biden !
Good one
4 muppets and eric. Gues worth warch8ng for eroc?
We can all agree that FR is just half of the equation when it comes to how an iem or headphone sound BUT why can't be an ear-tuned be considered legit then? Ear-tuned is more of a house sound thing imo and most of the time house sound is very much talked about.
Honestly, Crin's opinion hasn't been a great one to me in awhile. Especially given how many companies he's worked with now and how polarizing his collabs are. Polarizing being how the quality of the Dusk is hidden behind a horrific app and dsp cable. He's also not understanding the backlash on his simgot takes at all? Or just being dismissive. People didn't like that he just talked shit about widely well reviewed iems that competed with an upcoming collab of his. Then when that collab came out and people were saying that it's worse than the simgot sets he spoke about, it came off even worse.
Spot on
Isn't that why he's quitting reviews so you wouldn't have to hear his opinions anymore on things that would cause a conflict of interest between his collabs and other products? On one hand I understand his opinions are his own (am not a fan of Simgots in general myself from what I've tried) but it is reasonable to think about it is a bad look with him having his own stuff on the table as well.
@@louisantonio2462 I don't think having collabs inherently creates a conflict of interest. The problem he created with his simgot tweets was all due to timing. He was one of the last ones that spoke on them and it was right before his competing collab came out. If he doesn't have the time to keep up on reviews, then I think he should stop.
@@GoufinAround_ Collabs create inherent conflicts of interests if we're talking about then convering products from the company you're doing the collab with - every ethicist you can possibly consult today would affirm this claim.
@@GoufinAround_ He did say he is quitting reviews altogether in his latest Crin video because he is officially opening up an online store, so he is fully leaning into his role as a seller than reviewer.
Personally I feel like the Simgot tweet situation is a tad overblown (the timing is horrible but with Crin as a reviewer was on his way out at that point and people who do like Simgot would not change their opinion just because Crin said otherwise would not change much in the grand scheme of things) and I would rather put in more attention in how his latest collabs are not up to snuff with his previous works, between the Dusk DSP and just Singolo being mid, etc.
Sorry, but you can’t make iem’s and criticize other iem’s. Even if you’re altruistic, it doesn’t look good.
So, literally no one who has ever done a collab can continue to be a reviewer. You do realize how ridiculous that is right?
@@GoufinAround_ No one is saying that they can’t be a reviewer. They can do whatever they want. But what they can’t do is get butthurt if they decide to review something that’s in direct competition with their product and then get side looks from the public.
@@arthurhaywood2184 Relax, colabs are just someone granting their name to a brand for marketing purposes. In some cases, the influencer will gesture at a FR graph and ask for changes; in some cases, the influencer will tinker with pads or stuffing materials (and convince themselves they made a discovery). But, for the most part, it’s cosmetic changes and an influencer granting their name to a brand for marketing purposes.
Stop reviewing dcs products.over priced products anyways.
I was coming in ready to give a big thumbs up for dCS apology, but then that Crin video was plain questionable like you gave him this platform to spin his narrative. he was strawmanning his own viewers. what the heck.
4:34 and 4:22 did you hear how he twisted his viewers' words into falsehood? I 100% guarantee Crin put words in his viewers mouths. no one would agree with that and you guys should've caught it, especially when he shamelessly said "if that was truly the case."
What a bunch of entitled nobodies! Try and build a speaker, dac or amp…and then make a business out of it! It is an incredibly difficult and courageous thing to do….I Like Steve Gutenbergs take on negative reviews. Don’t do them out of respect for the craftsmanship that went into the gear, good or bad.
At least three of us have made our own headphones/IEMs/speakers. Blaine is literally an acoustics engineer. But even if we hadn't made anything, that doesn't preclude us from providing commentary on this stuff, nor would that impinge on the potential correctness of our positions.
@stifoli
So you are happy to pay hard earned cash for “supposed” manufacturers craftsmanship , but then you find that the item in question has notable errors/flaws when listening so you keep quiet about them out of respect for the manufacturer?
That doesn’t sound much like the description of a “reviewer” to myself, that sounds more like an extension of the manufacturers marketing team.
Steve is great to watch, I’d love to have a pint with him but I certainly wouldn’t trust his ears as I doubt he has much response over 10kHz and I want told if a product doesn’t live up to expectations.
Wow seriously?! Because something is difficult to do we should give the product or person a break?! So wtf is a purchaser to do if there are only good reviews? What a moronic thing to type. Oh and as mentioned these guys have made products inc DMS.
I find it quite interesting to imagine a worldview where consumers do not matter, but manufacturers do. Are you, like, entirely agnostic to the quality of the products you consume? You mention craftsmanship, but how do we make comparisons there without a reference for "not very craftsmanlike"?
You start calling people entitled and then you defend that companies are entitled to not have bad reviews written about their products. Lol
dcs. sounds like a bit more effort should have been made to find out the truth before videos got posted.