As soon as you showed the damage to the platform, I thought an 08 had done that. Yours is not the first and probably not the last one to experience this problem. One TH-camr lost the whole length of his platform which he had just fitted using a coach for clearance. I seal my Metcalfe models with a matt lacquer and so far, they have stood the test of time. Best of luck with the repair. Martin. (Thailand)
Thanks and yes! But the OTHER end wasn’t the 08 because I’d never run it. Generally I was just too close all round and ‘got away with it’ for too long. One of my less used locos hit the other end (a King) so I’ve made the hard choice to fix it. I LIKE the idea of clear lacquer. Thanks for that tip - I’ll give it a go! Thanks for watching and for the comments.
Eventually something will hit your platforms, something will clip the edge of a point, the dust will get to your scenery. In the case of dusty scenery be proud that you have had a model railway that long. Be honest if the model railway is dusty your house with be a bit dusty. Lots of chat, interesting topic well done.
Thanks! 😊 It’s VERY dusty sometimes down in the basement. I’ll take dealing with that for the benefit fo the space I have. It’s always a job staying on top of a large layout and eventually I’m sure it will; get the better of me. For now though, let’s all enjoy it together. 😊 Thanks for watching.
THE "LOADING GAUGE" ! Each "route" of every railway has a Set Maximum height width and length limit for ANY type of train that is to pass over it . The "Southern Railway / Southern Region" is probably the best example. As they had a whole plethora of different Loading Gauges. There was "Restriction 0", meaning nothing wider than 8ft 0.75in wide. Which related to the infamous Tonbridge to Hastings line, which had to have narrow slab sided coaches built specially for it, and the narrow cab "Schools" Class 4-4-0's. Next was "Restriction 1" stock to a maximum 8ft 6in wide. For use over certain narrow tunnelled routes around Dartford, and also the problem of Lewes Tunnel on the Central Divisions mainline which diverged from the Brighton line between Wivelsfield & Burgess Hill to head for Lewes & Eastbourne. Then came "Restriction 2" which involved a vehicle length limit which affected some of the large 12 wheeled Pullman cars, being banned from certain sharply curved platforms at Waterloo. Then came "Restriction 4" full width (Southern stock) of 9ft 3in maximum width, on most other routes not afflicted by Restrictions 0, 1 & 2. There was also a height limit as ex LSWR stock could be as high as 13ft 2.5in. But the Central and South Eastern were limited to 13ft (Restriction 3). The BR "Restriction C1" found on Mark 1 coaches was the equivalent of Southern Restriction 4. The BR Restriction C3 found on Mk3/Mk4 coaches is an issue with length. These long 75ft coaches had problems of the centre of the vehicle hanging out in curves, which could hit curved platform edges ! However none of these "Restrictions" allowed for Great Western Railway Four Cylinder steam locos (Stars, Castles & Kings). Which had their outside cylinders to wide at the platform edge height for the Southern, and were therefore totally banned. Except at loco changeover points such as Basingstoke Station. Indeed a Castle class that had "not been spotted" and actually turned up at Portsmouth Harbour Station on a through service from the Midlands. Was found to have both its outside cylinders "dented". Examination revealed it had scrapped along the platform edge at Fratton station, damaging the paving stones. And passing through Portsmouth & Southsea Stations "S" shaped platform, it had damaged the wooden platform edge planking there also. Further certain Great Western Coaching stock was banned from parts of the Great Western and ALL the other Railways. The GWR ex Broad Gauge lines could take Carriages up to 9ft 8in over handrails. Which included the famous "1935 Centenary Stock" and of course the GWR luxurious "1934 Ocean Liner Saloons", which were banned everywhere else. Which also explains why some GWR locomotives could NOT participate over some of the routes selected for the famous 1948 Locomotive Interchange trails. All issues for the unwary Modeller !!!! Happy Modelling😀
I’m one of those “unwary Modeler” who finds things out the hard way. Thank you for your detailed explanation - I learned something today. 😊 Of course for modelers, the issue becomes far more accuse when we do “stupid” and have Kings haul coal wagons or something!!! I want to propose Loading Gauge issues be checked by a Gronk hauling a Great Western Auto Coach! That seems the longest I can find. I was aware of the fascinating story in France where replacement trains didn’t fit in existing stations but overlooked the same thing myself in model form! Thanks again - and thanks for watching.
There appears to be a series of 08s being released by Bachman too. Thanks for the warning! If I get another it will be long after I build another layout and I will pay attention to it if that ever happens. Thanks for the heads up! And thanks for watching.
Make a mess, clear it up, make another mess etc etc!!!.....Great videos. Memories for me too: used to drive 51 & 63 stock for Southern. Also learned 57 stock but only drove them in training
That's the plan! I’m well on the way to making a REALLLLLY big mess but more on that later. With your experience, if you see me doing ‘stupid’ do let me know! 😜 Thanks for the encouragement and thanks for watching.
THE INFAMOUS EPB DESIGNS - AND THEIR INCREDIBLE BRAKE ! Actually that 2-car unit is a "2EPB" (2-car Electro Pneumatic Brake) This variant introduced in 1957. And one of the first 750v DC designs (as opposed to all the earlier 660v pre-war types). And one of the first to use the best brake system ever invented anywhere in the World. Which is also a Dual Brake system. Both a Westinghouse Straight Air Brake, and an Electrically operated Air Brake. The Driver could select either. The "EPB" Brake was so designed that you could put it on, & take it off as many times as you liked without loss of Braking Force. As could occur with the traditional Straight (Mechanical) Air Brake ! Even my Girlfriend got the hang of it in one journey from Waterloo to Guildford on a quiet Sunday afternoon ! Indeed probably the best example of the EPB's ability, was when I demonstrated its abilities to a couple of Western Region Drivers, who had no experience of this Brake. The train was a 12-car Waterloo- Portsmouth Express in the evening Rush hour. First stop Guildford. Formed 4CIG-4BEP-4CIG (with an operating Restaurant). We approached Guildford at 60mph. And the Western Region Drivers became nervous, as they were trained to approach stations slowly at usually no more than 30mph. I passed the Platform end at 57mph, and chucked the lot in, and this 12 car formation stopped from 57mph in its own length, bang on the 12 car platform marker (in around 860ft). And we didn't even spill the Teas or Gin & Tonics in the Restaurant car ! And you can't do that with any of the modern "Post BR" electric unit designs!!!
You’d probably trigger a “you’ve been naughty” alarm and have the train go out of service or something these days! 😜 I rode various versions of these back in the day. Several daily destinations. Canterbury (least used destination) Dover Priory (weekly) and then Deal Sandwich and Charing Cross in equal common use. I miss them somehow - they were comfortable although often dirty enough that you couldn’t see much out of the windows! I have models of the 2HAP and the 2EPB. We seemed to see a lot more of the 2HAPs in the 70s but I seem to remember the others coming in to Dover too. (It’s childhood memories so I sometimes ‘remember’ things weirdly!) Thanks for the info and thanks for watching (and driving!)
@@trainsofthought5071 Which is why I left Britain over 20 years ago. I've actually worked for numerous Railway Companies around the World in various capacities. Happy Modelling 😝
one thing I love with a rostering system in JMRI and WiThrottle.. don't have to remember DCC addresses, and love even more with LNER steam era.. the address is on the side and kettles you can tell the front.. seems with my N gauge BR blue stuff with a 50-50 chance of getting the direction right I never managed it
I use train controller silver and you are right. However - that’s exactly why I can’t remember the codes, I rarely use them 😊 when I DO use the hand controller I can never remember the obvious. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching.
It is a funny Loco for sure in that most are ‘fat’ higher up and those side rods DO stick out a good way. The con rod pins seem to have far more tolerance of course than real life probably would and I’m not sure if they are “push” (friction) fit or if they have a thread. For a while I contemplated just not driving Gronk there but I’m a Gronk fan and if I see a deal I’m bound to be unable to resist it. Thanks for watching.
I was ready to NOT change things - the platforms were one thing that was fairly well done but for the sake of the video series AND getting it right I got on and bit the bullet. I’m sure we’re not the only ones but I’m trying to show that daunting things need not be a show stopper. Thanks for watching. 😊
I would have except that it was already ballasted and “in place”. In the end I took drastic action but stopped short of ripping the track up. …but yes, in normal circumstances slewing the track would make much more sense than the wrecking ball. Thanks for watching 😊
As soon as you showed the damage to the platform, I thought an 08 had done that. Yours is not the first and probably not the last one to experience this problem. One TH-camr lost the whole length of his platform which he had just fitted using a coach for clearance. I seal my Metcalfe models with a matt lacquer and so far, they have stood the test of time. Best of luck with the repair. Martin. (Thailand)
Thanks and yes! But the OTHER end wasn’t the 08 because I’d never run it. Generally I was just too close all round and ‘got away with it’ for too long. One of my less used locos hit the other end (a King) so I’ve made the hard choice to fix it.
I LIKE the idea of clear lacquer. Thanks for that tip - I’ll give it a go!
Thanks for watching and for the comments.
Eventually something will hit your platforms, something will clip the edge of a point, the dust will get to your scenery. In the case of dusty scenery be proud that you have had a model railway that long. Be honest if the model railway is dusty your house with be a bit dusty.
Lots of chat, interesting topic well done.
Thanks! 😊 It’s VERY dusty sometimes down in the basement. I’ll take dealing with that for the benefit fo the space I have.
It’s always a job staying on top of a large layout and eventually I’m sure it will; get the better of me. For now though, let’s all enjoy it together. 😊
Thanks for watching.
THE "LOADING GAUGE" !
Each "route" of every railway has a Set Maximum height width and length limit for ANY type of train that is to pass over it . The "Southern Railway / Southern Region" is probably the best example. As they had a whole plethora of different Loading Gauges. There was "Restriction 0", meaning nothing wider than 8ft 0.75in wide. Which related to the infamous Tonbridge to Hastings line, which had to have narrow slab sided coaches built specially for it, and the narrow cab "Schools" Class 4-4-0's. Next was "Restriction 1" stock to a maximum 8ft 6in wide. For use over certain narrow tunnelled routes around Dartford, and also the problem of Lewes Tunnel on the Central Divisions mainline which diverged from the Brighton line between Wivelsfield & Burgess Hill to head for Lewes & Eastbourne. Then came "Restriction 2" which involved a vehicle length limit which affected some of the large 12 wheeled Pullman cars, being banned from certain sharply curved platforms at Waterloo. Then came "Restriction 4" full width (Southern stock) of 9ft 3in maximum width, on most other routes not afflicted by Restrictions 0, 1 & 2. There was also a height limit as ex LSWR stock could be as high as 13ft 2.5in. But the Central and South Eastern were limited to 13ft (Restriction 3).
The BR "Restriction C1" found on Mark 1 coaches was the equivalent of Southern Restriction 4. The BR Restriction C3 found on Mk3/Mk4 coaches is an issue with length. These long 75ft coaches had problems of the centre of the vehicle hanging out in curves, which could hit curved platform edges !
However none of these "Restrictions" allowed for Great Western Railway Four Cylinder steam locos (Stars, Castles & Kings). Which had their outside cylinders to wide at the platform edge height for the Southern, and were therefore totally banned. Except at loco changeover points such as Basingstoke Station. Indeed a Castle class that had "not been spotted" and actually turned up at Portsmouth Harbour Station on a through service from the Midlands. Was found to have both its outside cylinders "dented". Examination revealed it had scrapped along the platform edge at Fratton station, damaging the paving stones. And passing through Portsmouth & Southsea Stations "S" shaped platform, it had damaged the wooden platform edge planking there also.
Further certain Great Western Coaching stock was banned from parts of the Great Western and ALL the other Railways. The GWR ex Broad Gauge lines could take Carriages up to 9ft 8in over handrails. Which included the famous "1935 Centenary Stock" and of course the GWR luxurious "1934 Ocean Liner Saloons", which were banned everywhere else. Which also explains why some GWR locomotives could NOT participate over some of the routes selected for the famous 1948 Locomotive Interchange trails.
All issues for the unwary Modeller !!!!
Happy Modelling😀
I’m one of those “unwary Modeler” who finds things out the hard way. Thank you for your detailed explanation - I learned something today. 😊
Of course for modelers, the issue becomes far more accuse when we do “stupid” and have Kings haul coal wagons or something!!!
I want to propose Loading Gauge issues be checked by a Gronk hauling a Great Western Auto Coach! That seems the longest I can find.
I was aware of the fascinating story in France where replacement trains didn’t fit in existing stations but overlooked the same thing myself in model form!
Thanks again - and thanks for watching.
Hi you are not alone. The hornby ones good it's the Bachmann one. On the Bachmann one the rods stick out more. Good 👍
There appears to be a series of 08s being released by Bachman too. Thanks for the warning! If I get another it will be long after I build another layout and I will pay attention to it if that ever happens.
Thanks for the heads up!
And thanks for watching.
Make a mess, clear it up, make another mess etc etc!!!.....Great videos. Memories for me too: used to drive 51 & 63 stock for Southern. Also learned 57 stock but only drove them in training
That's the plan! I’m well on the way to making a REALLLLLY big mess but more on that later. With your experience, if you see me doing ‘stupid’ do let me know! 😜
Thanks for the encouragement and thanks for watching.
THE INFAMOUS EPB DESIGNS - AND THEIR INCREDIBLE BRAKE !
Actually that 2-car unit is a "2EPB" (2-car Electro Pneumatic Brake) This variant introduced in 1957. And one of the first 750v DC designs (as opposed to all the earlier 660v pre-war types). And one of the first to use the best brake system ever invented anywhere in the World. Which is also a Dual Brake system. Both a Westinghouse Straight Air Brake, and an Electrically operated Air Brake. The Driver could select either. The "EPB" Brake was so designed that you could put it on, & take it off as many times as you liked without loss of Braking Force. As could occur with the traditional Straight (Mechanical) Air Brake ! Even my Girlfriend got the hang of it in one journey from Waterloo to Guildford on a quiet Sunday afternoon !
Indeed probably the best example of the EPB's ability, was when I demonstrated its abilities to a couple of Western Region Drivers, who had no experience of this Brake. The train was a 12-car Waterloo- Portsmouth Express in the evening Rush hour. First stop Guildford. Formed 4CIG-4BEP-4CIG (with an operating Restaurant). We approached Guildford at 60mph. And the Western Region Drivers became nervous, as they were trained to approach stations slowly at usually no more than 30mph. I passed the Platform end at 57mph, and chucked the lot in, and this 12 car formation stopped from 57mph in its own length, bang on the 12 car platform marker (in around 860ft). And we didn't even spill the Teas or Gin & Tonics in the Restaurant car !
And you can't do that with any of the modern "Post BR" electric unit designs!!!
You’d probably trigger a “you’ve been naughty” alarm and have the train go out of service or something these days! 😜
I rode various versions of these back in the day. Several daily destinations. Canterbury (least used destination) Dover Priory (weekly) and then Deal Sandwich and Charing Cross in equal common use.
I miss them somehow - they were comfortable although often dirty enough that you couldn’t see much out of the windows!
I have models of the 2HAP and the 2EPB. We seemed to see a lot more of the 2HAPs in the 70s but I seem to remember the others coming in to Dover too. (It’s childhood memories so I sometimes ‘remember’ things weirdly!)
Thanks for the info and thanks for watching (and driving!)
@@trainsofthought5071 Which is why I left Britain over 20 years ago. I've actually worked for numerous Railway Companies around the World in various capacities.
Happy Modelling 😝
Keep going - make a mess, clean it up, fix the mess and carry on!
That's the plan! 😜
I get there in the end.
Thanks for watching
one thing I love with a rostering system in JMRI and WiThrottle.. don't have to remember DCC addresses, and love even more with LNER steam era.. the address is on the side and kettles you can tell the front.. seems with my N gauge BR blue stuff with a 50-50 chance of getting the direction right I never managed it
I use train controller silver and you are right. However - that’s exactly why I can’t remember the codes, I rarely use them 😊 when I DO use the hand controller I can never remember the obvious.
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching.
Had the same issues with my 08 shunter hitting platform edges - fortunately I could move the platforms to solve the issue
It is a funny Loco for sure in that most are ‘fat’ higher up and those side rods DO stick out a good way. The con rod pins seem to have far more tolerance of course than real life probably would and I’m not sure if they are “push” (friction) fit or if they have a thread. For a while I contemplated just not driving Gronk there but I’m a Gronk fan and if I see a deal I’m bound to be unable to resist it.
Thanks for watching.
snap..... :) and a old Hornby/Triang Class F8
I have had to do the same once , was ok till I bought an 08 shunter .........Peter
I was ready to NOT change things - the platforms were one thing that was fairly well done but for the sake of the video series AND getting it right I got on and bit the bullet. I’m sure we’re not the only ones but I’m trying to show that daunting things need not be a show stopper.
Thanks for watching. 😊
you dont play trains you run them.
😜 I’m honest.
I’m jsut repeating what my wife tells her friends I’m doing in the basement.
Thanks for watching.
I think that it would have much easier to have moved the track over sightly.
You might be right except that the track is already ballasted and glued down. It was a tough choice.
Thanks for watching
Slew the track?
I would have except that it was already ballasted and “in place”. In the end I took drastic action but stopped short of ripping the track up. …but yes, in normal circumstances slewing the track would make much more sense than the wrecking ball.
Thanks for watching 😊
replace the platform with 18mm plasterboard.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I’m still stubborn enough to try to salvage this as much as possible. We shall see how it plays out.
Thanks for watching.