3:08 He asks for criticism and then throws it back in their face. It doesn't matter if it happens in reality, you've got to convey your art in a believable manor.
If art must be conveyed in a believable manner, almost all pop musicians should be hung. The truth is believable to those who understand it, while the feeble minded await pageantry and distraction.
A G Pop artists aren't selling realism.. And IDK about hanging people for making bad 'art' (if you choose to call pop music art.) I haven't seen the play myself yet so i can't say whether I agree or disagree with the guy in the audience questioning the play's realism, but I don't see how they expect to get any truthful feedback if they get all defensive about the first person who gives their input. That being said, I've been a long time NOFX fan and I wish Fat Mike and Soma all the best.
A G It's all about target audience. For example if your target audience are 70 year war veterans then it doesn't matter if a 12 year old understands the message. But if you target audience are young adults (especially punks), then if young adult punks don't get it, you have failed. Choose: Message + Delivery + Audience = Good art. Bad choices equal bad art. It's that simple.
John Thorgard I think what the guy with criticism in the video was trying to say was that the play didn't speak to his experiences living in a squat/on the street. Which, in 2015, is probably fair. But also, since most of the play was written from personal experiences of mike/wife living in squats in the late 80's, I would guess the experiences of each would differ greatly.
They are rich kid whose parents are probably bay area tech millionaires. It was annoying just because it wasn’t their “reality” and they acted like it wasn’t a reality or someone else’s reality. on a side note, it is interesting to hear about a punk rock millionaire having dinner with billionaires......
No. They were just saying what they had lived. They obviously felt like they were the same people, and to imply they all were hookers, which is what the story was - that isn’t what they experienced. Just different experiences of punk and homelessness I suppose. And the fact they weren’t all hookers is a positive thing. Fat Mike should have been less defensive and understanding of that. He flipped and got defensive which is weird for someone who is meant to be understanding of the other side. I guess we all get defensive.
Yeah it was a bit weird of him. But also the guy that said he lived on the streets... Most Punks i was introducet to (including my boyfriend) sex was a big curency. Maybe not as hardcore like they lived it. But definetly curency for a couch to sleep on, food, drugs and money.
long live the Smiths!!! great video(s), thanks kindly for sharing them, hopefully this play makes it to san diego, I will definitely attend if it does, cheers to nofx!, one of the best live shows one can experience.
I am Mr. Radio growing up loving all the top rock and pop hits. I loved Disco, ACDC, Stones, Temple Pilots, Squeeze, Rush, Deep Purple but I never really listened to NOFX until the past few years when my wife and NOFX Superfan Leona turned me onto Fat Mike and the Boys! Now, I LOVE the band (not quite sure about the music still) but they are one kick ass class Fucking set of Dudes! For the record, there, I said it!
Pretty effing proud of Fat Mike and Soma for making a kick ass place for people to catch a glimpse of what the real world looks like. Especially when you have music made by a guy NAMED Fat Mike!!!!!!!!
You know how when a kid falls down, you don’t overreact because it only makes things worse? If a kid gets molested, I wonder if sometimes it’d be better to just tell them that a sick person did something gross to them, but it’s not a big deal, then just keep it moving (rather than having the entire family get all bent out of shape, put them into counseling, and have them see themselves as a victim for the rest of their lives).
I agree and also hate today's labels because labels prevent acceptance. People are people and some are quirkier than others. But labeling someone "abused" or "recovering" or "on the spectrum" just keeps them in a different bucket apart from the mainstream. When I was a kid the kids that today would be labeled "on the spectrum" were just the the weird fucking kids in class and those were the kids I usually hung out with because they were far more interesting than the jocks and cheerleaders and popular kids. Watching this play made me realize why I was drawn to punk rock growing up - while I wasn't abused and came from a good home, my parents disappointed me many times and weren't always there when I needed them emotionally. And one day I woke up and realized if I needed something I could do it myself with my family of choice. That's the message of this play.
Fat mike and snakeoil had the right to get angry at some unexperienced kids in the audience saying its not realistic because they are more sheltered than real street kids who know that there are way worse things going on all over America...prostitution, addiction, murder isn't as rare as you would think, I used to travel a lot and trainhop and met a lot of people that are dead now from various reasons. Those kids would be surprised how the real dark side of the streets are like, not mommy kicking you out for a night and than you going down the street to the tame squat house to brag toyour friends so you can go to mike's show and complain that you have been such a squatter with complete life experience that these dark things are not real because you have no seen them, there are plenty of people in this world with serious problems and if you are saying its not real than you are an ignorant idiot!
* (psst) * its on youtube somewhere , i'm poor af so I rely on it getting uploaded but it will only be up for a while because obviously they want ppl buying viewings
I loved the show. I saw it on TH-cam. I thought Fat Mike did a great job. It's a shame it never made it to Broadway because I would have loved to see it live. The material is heavy but in the end it is about finding your family. Chosen family is just as important or can be more important than blood family sometimes. The music was catchy and I enjoyed it. Or potentially he could make a movie since I know his broadway dreams got stopped because of the pandemic. But I think it was fresh and different.
That would be the most meta thing ever: going right back to the authentic discussions of the 1990s. How many crummy fanzines indulged in this ridiculous, redundant conversation? Eventually 'the scenes' were taken over by rich kids, major labels and stupid behavioural policing. Then people grew up and left, with each new generation watering it down to an unrecognisable new stew.
Punk: zu akzeptieren, dass jeder machen kann was er will. Wenn Fett Mike Bock drauf hat ´n Musical zu machen- warum auch nicht. Jesus, seid ihr alle engstirnige Wichser. :-)
The younger folks in the test audience disputing the idea and existence of street moms are the real deal poseurs. That's probably why they were the "punk-looking young people" even invited in the first place so they could say they went to Fat Mike's musical for some real deal cred. Wild. I've known street moms of sorts up in the Bay Area and LA, they're absolutely wonderful human beings, and definitely exist as they have existed for a long time per my knowledge lol. Basically, it was hipsters looking to criticize a punk rock anything because they're hipsters and wouldn't know that life if it belted them in the mouth.
I think it’s his gf’s story, about the hookers, but I love how the kids are like ”no way, not all are hookers, we only knew a few, you’re portraying it all as that” - it’s like the kids these days are more ethical. I f’ing life that.
Right on. I would love to watch the musical. Pushing some boundaries and... hey, Old people like it too! Great! Might be a little uncomfortable, but, I would watch this with my mom.
cool that he made this but I just hate musicals with a passion. People can enjoy them and even drag me along but it's just not my bag. Fat Mike is more a lyrics kind of guy, I get why he would be into it since it requires a lot of thinking about words and making good songs.
When Mike says that Blink 182 called and Skiba is now in Blink. This made me laugh so much. I hope there aren't any hard feelings now between Skiba and Mike. Good for Skiba though.. He's so punk, he's comfortable joining the biggest poser punk band ever.. btw I like Blink, but I admit its not really punk.
I don’t think fast and the furious is something realistic but some people street race and shit for money. People still watch. This is real subject matter and it’s shit that happens so open ur eyes😂
I hate musicals as an art form. It's making theater even worse. We all agree that the best acting performances are found in movies, so why not just make a movie with a soundtrack. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than this
Daniel Leon One look at your stupid face and it's apparent that it's not all your fault. You'll get laid some day too I promise. Maybe when you can grow a decent beard
Daniel Leon Again you read something into my comment that just isn't there. Calling people a piece of shit tell me you have a lot of build up negativity in you and that stupid face of yours made it quite clear where it comes from
METLMayhem You're the second uber-Nofx fan to call me a "faggot". Such homophobia from supposed punk rockers. For fucks sake...what a bunch of stuck up little bitches. You express your own opinion, you get called a "faggot".
This is how people take criticism after working on the same thing for over a decade
3:08 He asks for criticism and then throws it back in their face. It doesn't matter if it happens in reality, you've got to convey your art in a believable manor.
If art must be conveyed in a believable manner, almost all pop musicians should be hung. The truth is believable to those who understand it, while the feeble minded await pageantry and distraction.
A G Pop artists aren't selling realism.. And IDK about hanging people for making bad 'art' (if you choose to call pop music art.) I haven't seen the play myself yet so i can't say whether I agree or disagree with the guy in the audience questioning the play's realism, but I don't see how they expect to get any truthful feedback if they get all defensive about the first person who gives their input. That being said, I've been a long time NOFX fan and I wish Fat Mike and Soma all the best.
A G It's all about target audience. For example if your target audience are 70 year war veterans then it doesn't matter if a 12 year old understands the message. But if you target audience are young adults (especially punks), then if young adult punks don't get it, you have failed. Choose: Message + Delivery + Audience = Good art. Bad choices equal bad art. It's that simple.
Ryan Jones ah slurs! very punk
John Thorgard I think what the guy with criticism in the video was trying to say was that the play didn't speak to his experiences living in a squat/on the street. Which, in 2015, is probably fair. But also, since most of the play was written from personal experiences of mike/wife living in squats in the late 80's, I would guess the experiences of each would differ greatly.
Fat mike,
from where you came from to where you are, the stories you've told. Shits inspirational and eye opening. Good job. Man
lol you really think he's reading these comments?
I ❤ the dissent from the punkers in the rehearsal and Mikes annoyance. If there wasn't an argument it wouldn't be punk rock 👍🌟❤️
Fat Mike did an awesome job with this. What a great job getting the stories of so many out there.
I liked when he asked for negative criticism and then he got mad about what they said.
Cause those kids were acting like they had lived a whole life of experience on the streets, they dont know shit
Radu Valentin They were only in the video for like 30 seconds. I think it’s unfair to assume that they consider themselves from the streets.
They are rich kid whose parents are probably bay area tech millionaires. It was annoying just because it wasn’t their “reality” and they acted like it wasn’t a reality or someone else’s reality. on a side note, it is interesting to hear about a punk rock millionaire having dinner with billionaires......
No. They were just saying what they had lived. They obviously felt like they were the same people, and to imply they all were hookers, which is what the story was - that isn’t what they experienced. Just different experiences of punk and homelessness I suppose. And the fact they weren’t all hookers is a positive thing. Fat Mike should have been less defensive and understanding of that. He flipped and got defensive which is weird for someone who is meant to be understanding of the other side. I guess we all get defensive.
Yeah it was a bit weird of him. But also the guy that said he lived on the streets... Most Punks i was introducet to (including my boyfriend) sex was a big curency. Maybe not as hardcore like they lived it. But definetly curency for a couch to sleep on, food, drugs and money.
long live the Smiths!!! great video(s), thanks kindly for sharing them, hopefully this play makes it to san diego, I will definitely attend if it does, cheers to nofx!, one of the best live shows one can experience.
I am Mr. Radio growing up loving all the top rock and pop hits. I loved Disco, ACDC, Stones, Temple Pilots, Squeeze, Rush, Deep Purple but I never really listened to NOFX until the past few years when my wife and NOFX Superfan Leona turned me onto Fat Mike and the Boys! Now, I LOVE the band (not quite sure about the music still) but they are one kick ass class Fucking set of Dudes! For the record, there, I said it!
Wait so did the girl who plays Sue used to play trashley?
so much respect for skiba
Where's skiba
Pretty effing proud of Fat Mike and Soma for making a kick ass place for people to catch a glimpse of what the real world looks like. Especially when you have music made by a guy NAMED Fat Mike!!!!!!!!
If only this would go on the road
Amazing. I asked my Dr. Daughter to please take me to see this. How I grew up, she didnt. Empathy teach for her. BRAVO
I don't suppose there's a full tape somewhere of the play one could watch? Not all of us are as lucky as ye San Franciscans
the whole play has been uploaded, search for "home street home final night San Francisco" it's really quite good. Well worth the two hours
I wish I could've seen this when I went to the US, I remember I actually saw a rerun of Avenue Q on Broadway but I couldn't find Home Street Home. :(
decapitate state unfortunately it‘s not online anymore, at least I couldn‘t find it.... Never a chance to see it living in central europe :-/
I can link ya to it
I know I'm commenting years later, but thought you might like to know I just looked and it's been uploaded.
A lot don’t understand mikes art, but the ones who do, well.
I so loved this play!. Thanks to this play, I found out what a dominatrix was at 16 and loved every second of it!. Would so pay again to see it!.
Jeez people take your med's! Fat mike has always been on the fringe and he's still loved. Get over it.
You know how when a kid falls down, you don’t overreact because it only makes things worse? If a kid gets molested, I wonder if sometimes it’d be better to just tell them that a sick person did something gross to them, but it’s not a big deal, then just keep it moving (rather than having the entire family get all bent out of shape, put them into counseling, and have them see themselves as a victim for the rest of their lives).
I agree and also hate today's labels because labels prevent acceptance. People are people and some are quirkier than others. But labeling someone "abused" or "recovering" or "on the spectrum" just keeps them in a different bucket apart from the mainstream. When I was a kid the kids that today would be labeled "on the spectrum" were just the the weird fucking kids in class and those were the kids I usually hung out with because they were far more interesting than the jocks and cheerleaders and popular kids. Watching this play made me realize why I was drawn to punk rock growing up - while I wasn't abused and came from a good home, my parents disappointed me many times and weren't always there when I needed them emotionally. And one day I woke up and realized if I needed something I could do it myself with my family of choice. That's the message of this play.
Fat mike and snakeoil had the right to get angry at some unexperienced kids in the audience saying its not realistic because they are more sheltered than real street kids who know that there are way worse things going on all over America...prostitution, addiction, murder isn't as rare as you would think, I used to travel a lot and trainhop and met a lot of people that are dead now from various reasons. Those kids would be surprised how the real dark side of the streets are like, not mommy kicking you out for a night and than you going down the street to the tame squat house to brag toyour friends so you can go to mike's show and complain that you have been such a squatter with complete life experience that these dark things are not real because you have no seen them, there are plenty of people in this world with serious problems and if you are saying its not real than you are an ignorant idiot!
is there a possibility that i can buy a copy to watch i love this play so much
* (psst) * its on youtube somewhere , i'm poor af so I rely on it getting uploaded but it will only be up for a while because obviously they want ppl buying viewings
Just watched the whole show last night and thought it was fucking amazing.
I loved the show. I saw it on TH-cam. I thought Fat Mike did a great job. It's a shame it never made it to Broadway because I would have loved to see it live. The material is heavy but in the end it is about finding your family. Chosen family is just as important or can be more important than blood family sometimes. The music was catchy and I enjoyed it. Or potentially he could make a movie since I know his broadway dreams got stopped because of the pandemic. But I think it was fresh and different.
The NOFX frontman goes Broadway. Check out Part 1: bit.ly/1bi9CQD
+Noisey aren't there supposed to be 4 parts? only been almost a year since part 2...
muy bueno. saludos desde B.A-Argentina
fucking best music in the last 10 years, hands down
Uhh.._what?
Before this goes too far, let's make sure that we all agree on what it means to be "punk"....
I'm not a punk (although I like punk music among other genres), but maybe punk is not to agree on what it means to be 'punk'?
That would be the most meta thing ever: going right back to the authentic discussions of the 1990s. How many crummy fanzines indulged in this ridiculous, redundant conversation? Eventually 'the scenes' were taken over by rich kids, major labels and stupid behavioural policing. Then people grew up and left, with each new generation watering it down to an unrecognisable new stew.
Where the hell is Part 3 at???
Nofx and this musical is fucking amazing home street home I jam that shit out while I'm electrocuting wood.
Punk: zu akzeptieren, dass jeder machen kann was er will. Wenn Fett Mike Bock drauf hat ´n Musical zu machen- warum auch nicht. Jesus, seid ihr alle engstirnige Wichser. :-)
The younger folks in the test audience disputing the idea and existence of street moms are the real deal poseurs. That's probably why they were the "punk-looking young people" even invited in the first place so they could say they went to Fat Mike's musical for some real deal cred. Wild. I've known street moms of sorts up in the Bay Area and LA, they're absolutely wonderful human beings, and definitely exist as they have existed for a long time per my knowledge lol. Basically, it was hipsters looking to criticize a punk rock anything because they're hipsters and wouldn't know that life if it belted them in the mouth.
WTF Vice/Noisey? 2 weeks and no content?!
I think it’s his gf’s story, about the hookers, but I love how the kids are like ”no way, not all are hookers, we only knew a few, you’re portraying it all as that” - it’s like the kids these days are more ethical. I f’ing life that.
As I'm sitting here
Drinking super shitty beer
The writing practically brings me to tears.
where can i watch the musical is it ganna be online pay to watch or some shit. ill punking pay to watch it
That dude saying it’s unrealistic obviously hasn’t lived the life
Seriously why are punks so hard to please. Im a punk and love this. Calm down ppl. Jesus
Right on. I would love to watch the musical. Pushing some boundaries and... hey, Old people like it too! Great! Might be a little uncomfortable, but, I would watch this with my mom.
the only thing that makes me want to see it it was the last scene of the show looking punk.
I wanna watch this now.
Where's part 3 already?!
jesus. mike and whats her name gettin defensive
@Van peter wtf
Great musical an awesome songs
cool that he made this but I just hate musicals with a passion. People can enjoy them and even drag me along but it's just not my bag. Fat Mike is more a lyrics kind of guy, I get why he would be into it since it requires a lot of thinking about words and making good songs.
Well thanks to the nice older lady for the affirmation that got me crying. sheesh
When Mike says that Blink 182 called and Skiba is now in Blink. This made me laugh so much. I hope there aren't any hard feelings now between Skiba and Mike. Good for Skiba though.. He's so punk, he's comfortable joining the biggest poser punk band ever.. btw I like Blink, but I admit its not really punk.
dude ranch and everything prior is pretty punk id say
Say what you want about Blink but Tom's got the inside information about the aliens.
wow he cant take critics
+Davey Sinclair IMO his wife had the shorter fuse... he just stood up for her before she went off on a rant...
1:21 wake up Joe
I know, I know, it's "punk", but the petulance of the writers was so cringe-inducing during feedback.
you can't please everyone
Ha, the ending is perfect
No content in almost 3 weeks. WTF, Vice/Noisey?!
Wenn du immer wieder neu mit 0 startest dann scheinen die Sachen davor ja nichts abgeworfen zu haben.
I want to see this so bad
i lived in SF i lived downtown LA.. this happenes
I love this play... Best I have seen.. Though I'm into punk and don't watch other musicals
yo noisey please make one with the weeknd
I don’t think fast and the furious is something realistic but some people street race and shit for money. People still watch. This is real subject matter and it’s shit that happens so open ur eyes😂
what's the deal with this thing. where the hell is the musical. It ain't here nowhere. Where'z BIFF
He hates blink
+GameplayOkay actually they're friends.
I will go see this
Wow so Justine should have played trashly first
musical play whatever. ice cream box social
Fat Mike and the gang strike again. best recognize y'all
This is a bit ridiculous.
Musicals try & try really hard to not be goofy moronic shit. They aways fail.
Ok not bad
Real. I felt it.
Is it me or does the people in the audience looks homeless.
Idk
hermoso
I guess Mike wanted constructive compliments..lol. This is just as terrible as NOFX but with the added torture of musical theater.
I hate musicals as an art form. It's making theater even worse. We all agree that the best acting performances are found in movies, so why not just make a movie with a soundtrack. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than this
Yeah! and why not just make movies and stop making those useless books! man you are a genius!
You fucking piece of shit
Daniel Leon One look at your stupid face and it's apparent that it's not all your fault. You'll get laid some day too I promise. Maybe when you can grow a decent beard
Putthatinur Pipe oh! so you couldnt deal with my comment! nice
Daniel Leon Again you read something into my comment that just isn't there. Calling people a piece of shit tell me you have a lot of build up negativity in you and that stupid face of yours made it quite clear where it comes from
Putthatinur Pipe geez go talk to your mom, maybe she cares whatever you have to say.
i dunno...acting as a job doesnt seem very punk to me or musicals for that matter
the musical isn't supposed to be funny, right?
Joke!
eww theres nothing punk about this
You know punk rock is dead when they start making musicals.
What? i thought it started when coloured mohawks were becoming the fashion in 80s
NegaRen GenX I think so. The Dead Kennedys were probably the last true punk band, before the Exploited made punk a fashion statement.
METLMayhem You're the second uber-Nofx fan to call me a "faggot". Such homophobia from supposed punk rockers. For fucks sake...what a bunch of stuck up little bitches. You express your own opinion, you get called a "faggot".
West Is Best don't worry. there are people out there that don't get their jimmies all rustled up because a different opinion.
like me for example
West Is Best Boo fucking Hoo
L. O. L
que porcaria
This is so cringey. This is why punk rock isn't cool anymore.
Ya gotta agree with that.
wut, the tone or context?
I don't know what you mean by that
punk was never cool
Agreed.
does anyone else think they just watched punk die a broadway themed death ???