If you practice the traditions, do the rituals and develop the mindset of a Muay Thai fighter, it's a Traditional Martial Art. But if you just go to the local gym that is a kickboxing thai box mma and stuff, you just do a combat sport.
Yes Muay thai is a traditional martial art especially since Muay Boran goes back 2000 years. I'm not sure if the rest of traditional martial arts realize how vicious it is and wants to classify it as not being a traditional martial art but since Muay Boran has been around for 2000 years i don't see how it can be denied as a traditional martial art.
@@kinggood9404 Don't fall prey to muay boran hype. Modern sport muaythai is much more effetive. Modern sport muaythai has root from the Physical Education College.
I like the way I heard it described before. A traditional martial art is more focused on preserving a tradition and passing it down. Modern martial arts are more focused on accomplishing a goal (usually winning a sport, or self defense.) An art can do both things, but the label is based on which one is the priority.
One of the things I've always appreciated about Eastern martial arts over Western martial arts (especially reconstructed Western martial arts) is the incorporation of spirituality directly into the martial art.
A friend of mine lived in Thailand for six months, and volunteered to spar with a young teen Muai Thai practitioner. The coach agreed, and he thought he could at least withstand some sparring with the youngster. When the bell rang, the young Muai Thai practitioner ferociously tenderized his mid-section first. He knocked my buddys wind from his lungs with superfast, ferocious kicks, and nearly took his back teeth out with their powerful punches, elbow strikes, and spinning back fists... causing him to wince, collapse, and withdraw in the first round. The coach, and the young warrior thanked him, and made sure his molars were intact. He said all he could recall was that music and drumbeat. He found it a most humbling and very educational experience. ...then there was the one about the King Cobra snake charmer... 🙄 Excellent video Dan! 👍
You can say subhanallah a lot and use two hand grips. That is kung fu. Allah also gives rewards for saying subhanallah a lot. Kung fu is the grandfather of all martial arts and granddaddy of hand to hand fighting.
@@rm89 ,actually places like Africa in terms of Egypt and India in terms of the art known as Kalaripayattu could be considered some of the founding influences of Asian martial arts as how they are viewed now, since those arts and cultures existed before before Chinese developed what came to be known as "Kung-fū"/"Wu Su".
When I trained in MMA I got a glimpse of Muay Thai and now I want to actually train in that particular style... Techniques are very effective and I like leg kicks haha
Many people greatly underestimate the effectiveness of leg kicks. I’ve been fascinated with Muay Thai since I was a kid, and also got a glimpse into it while training MMA.
@@scottrussell876 there’s one fighter, the last name is Roundtree who famously went to Thailand and trained Muay Thai, he destroyed his opponent’s legs! Also check out the video of the fight between a Thai Fighter and Duke Rufus’s brother Rick
My first proper Style as an adult was Muay Thai. History goes deeper than that. There's a lot of ancestry between Lethwei, Muay Thai, Muay Lao, Pradal Serey, Tomoi and Bokator. Looking at the systems they're virtually identical. Each one claims to be the original style. You also have Krabi-Krabong which is a weapon-based martial art from Thailand. It is closely related to other Southeast Asian fighting styles such as Malay silat, Burmese banshay and Cambodian kbach kun boran.
Let’s also not forget the profound effect culture, wealth, and poverty have on a country’s martial art. We can see this in bold relief when we see how children train in the martial arts. A relatively wealthy country like the United States has so many young kids take karate or TKD lessons as a casual recreation. Juxtapose that with the hard-knock life of a young child in Thailand. These kids grow up quickly, and they subject themselves to the brutal martial art at a level of intensity, even adults in the US seldom experience. Props to these young kids. Just look at this! th-cam.com/video/QpxVQ-S_XIM/w-d-xo.html
And also that a majority of young people training in Thailand in the sport of Muay Thai also start professionally competing at a young age -sometimes 12 or 13- as a way of making a living or to bring money into the family.
I remember watching Kickboxer when I was a kid, and have been in love with Muay Thai ever since! I even enjoyed the sequels with Sasha Mitchel who trained with Benny “The Jet” Urquidez, before transitioning into Dutch style kickboxing.
I hope you can do a video about Japanese karateka Tadashi Sawamura who started training in muay Thai after he was soundly defeated by a mT stylist in a karate vs. mT match. My dad said Sawamura then became known as the greatest mT/kickboxing fighter of the 20th century. *edit* It would also be nice if Sensei Dan could interview Sawamura-san the same way he did for the Kenpo episodes. Great quality content as always!
You are a very special person with a distinguished view of the world of martial arts and your channel is very wonderful. Thank you for these outstanding videos
Hey Dan i myself have actually went from Karate to Muay Thai and 100% love it. Its not just punching air and hours of kata its real fighting from being of class to the end . At this new gym we do Muay Thai and bjj so its really the best of both worlds 🌎. Are coach his teacher's gym is the next town over his main stlye is Krabi Krabong that teacher's both .
I had a coworker that studied Thai boxing when he was in Thailand and at that point I wasn’t impressed with the skills he had with 2 years of training. I have since figured out that he trained considerably different than what I thought any martial artist training would be and that was why he couldn’t even stand up to one of my students of only 9 months. We then went through some demonstrations of some of the things I taught and he went to the flight and told them I was very good at what I did and taught. This is the only actual contact I had with anyone who trained in this method. Btw he also helped the tae Kwon do instructor teach classes at the gym, at least until he stopped coming to the gym and teaching anymore.
One big problem here in Thailand especially Bangkok is that Muay Thai gyms are often McDojos looking to make as much money as they can off of tourists and expats and often have low quality of instruction. You have to make sure the gym you go to has a good reputation before you train and not just go for the school that is closest to you or the one that has the best advertising.
@@jtilton5 this is the case unfortunately anytime you want to learn anything, my former coworker was the one who spent 2years in Thailand training and after dealing with him in the base gym I had no respect for Thai boxing. It was years after that I decided that many places are like you are talking about “mcdojo “. And even more people who don’t really train to become good at what they are doing.
Muay Thai is definitely a mighty, powerful and extremely effective, martial arts style. The art of eight limbs, as it is often referred to, is highly appropriate given that, the punches, kicks, knees and elbows, are its complete and main weapons, compared to styles that only use punching and kicking. What I find intriguing about Muay Thai, is that it also has limited stand up grappling, such as the the clinch, also catching of leg kicks, to either and further set up a leg sweep or a throw of the adversary, on the canvas. I am glad that you finally covered Muay Thai, its history, traditions, as well as its modern day competitions, along with its foray in mixed martial arts, amongst other styles such as Wrestling, Judo, Jiu-jitsu, Karate and Taekwondo. Greetings as always, from Melbourne, Australia 🇲🇽🇦🇺🥋🤟✌👍😊Sensei Dan, Osu!
Ive heard that experience audiences of Muay Thai in Thailand can predict who will win a fight just by watching the Wai Kru. They use this skill to place bets lol. I think that in order to watch Muay Thai you have to watch Muay Thai, not MMA. The same goes for all the arts that are used in MMA. MMA is not the best display for indiviual techniques of specific sports. MMA is more about the integration of the Arts into one sport. Now you can make a video about Lethwei that is the art of 9 limbs because they hit with headbuts too, and they don't use gloves :)
@Olivia Jones Sigh....no, I said you replied to ME giving my contact information. Raymond asked me for a way to contact me. I gave him the contact. Then YOU came on here and accused me of saying Kenpo was better than Muay Thai. I don't know where you got that. I never said it. Perhaps you need to manage YOUR accusations? I honestly don't know what you are asking. Please point to where I said Kenpo was better than Muay Thai. I never said that.
My opinion in relation to the last question as an mma fighter with a lot of training partners with traditional MT experience here. MT has a strange culture about it that seeps directly into the fights themselves. A lot of pride and stubbornness as well as cultural norms that seem to be stripped away in MMA. Biggest differences I see in application when MT guys do MMA are a lower stance in anticipation of take downs, and a defense that is less boxy and more center line oriented. In MMA I think straight strikes are more prevalent leading to the need to adjust the defense accordingly. Changes to the clinch also have to be considered when the wrestling oriented clinch might be a factor. Looking forward to the traditional vs modern video.
Love this channel love this video. But a little more information you might find interesting. Children as young as 6 are sent to live in Muaythai gyms. The reason for this is sad. Thailand is a very poor nation. And for many of these children it is the only way to escape poverty. The majority of Thai fighters share the same goal. To buy their Mother and Father a home. Also something else you might find interesting, in Thailand gambling is completely illegal. We could have a friendly game of cards betting a few pennies on each hand. If someone living on the other side of the street finds out and calls the cops we can go to jail. Thai fights are the only place in Thailand where gambling is legal. And everyone is their own bookie offering their own odds.
I do kung fu by saying subhanallah a lot and using two hand grips. Kung fu is the grandfather of all martial arts and is known as the granddaddy of hand to hand fighting. Allah gives rewards for saying subhanallah a lot.
Good video but!! Muay thai is from the khmer Empire,in modern day Cambodia. Bokatar is the name of the style and it goes back over 2,000 years. The khumer empire had Laos and Thailand, it was the biggest empire in South East Asia. Modern day Laos and Thai people are from Southern China. They integrated with the Mon and khmer people's that have been there for thousands of years.
@@ArtofOneDojo I can say both systems nowadays are taught differently. Muay Boran focuses on striking aspect and as Kun Khmer Boran/Bokator it is a complete martial art system. The instructors would teach the bare-knuckle system, weapons, and wrestling. If you want to get in-depth with Thailand and Cambodia's history. I recommend reading the book "History of Ayutthaya" by Chris Baker and "A History of Cambodia" 4th Edition by David Chandler. Both books do talk about warfare.
@RoseBill423 I mean you are not wrong, the official Thai kingdom didn't start appearing in the 13th century. Sukhothai was the first and broke way under the Angkorian control and then Ayutthaya started appearing in the 1350s. Ayutthaya did follow the Angkorian system but they ran into internal problems regarding which royal house should be taken over and then later broke off from Angkor. They still kept the system after 1432 they were defeated by Ponha Yat who recruited and rallied up Austroasiatic tribes to retake Angkor. After the death of Naresuan in the 1600s. The Angkorian system was re-introduced when King Prasat Thong of Ayutthaya was in power. Ayutthaya, I can say relied on foreign soldiers than their local soldiers. There are written European accounts where they recruited the Moors, Chinese, Cham, Khmer, Laotian, Japanese, and Portuguese. Also, there is no written account of a martial elite class.
You start off with the question, is Muay Thai traditional, and the at 5:58/9 you say that Muay Thai kick ARE NOT LIKE TRADITIONAL or Taekwondo kicks......... so I guess you don't feel Muay Thai is traditional, sure it is.
You're comparing a comment on a particular technique to an overall analysis of an art, that's a false equivalence. I specifically said the Muay Thai ROUND KICKS (not even all kicks, I singled out round kicks) were not like the traditional kicks you usually see or like traditional TKD kicks. Most arts deliver round kicks in a clean chambering motion, while Muay Thai round kicks have more of a chopping action to them. I also spend the entire video showing examples and advocating why Muay Thai IS a traditional art, so why you'd single out a specific comment that doesn't impact the overall analysis seems like creating a debate where one didn't exist.
If you practice the traditions, do the rituals and develop the mindset of a Muay Thai fighter, it's a Traditional Martial Art. But if you just go to the local gym that is a kickboxing thai box mma and stuff, you just do a combat sport.
No some mma gyms have real Muay Thai coaches. But you do have alot of fakes that is true
Yes Muay thai is a traditional martial art especially since Muay Boran goes back 2000 years. I'm not sure if the rest of traditional martial arts realize how vicious it is and wants to classify it as not being a traditional martial art but since Muay Boran has been around for 2000 years i don't see how it can be denied as a traditional martial art.
@@kinggood9404 Don't fall prey to muay boran hype. Modern sport muaythai is much more effetive. Modern sport muaythai has root from the Physical Education College.
Often "modern" martial arts just means "martial arts that have been Westernized."
I like the way I heard it described before. A traditional martial art is more focused on preserving a tradition and passing it down. Modern martial arts are more focused on accomplishing a goal (usually winning a sport, or self defense.) An art can do both things, but the label is based on which one is the priority.
One of the things I've always appreciated about Eastern martial arts over Western martial arts (especially reconstructed Western martial arts) is the incorporation of spirituality directly into the martial art.
Thank you for showing love to my style.
A friend of mine lived in Thailand for six months, and volunteered to spar with a young teen Muai Thai practitioner. The coach agreed, and he thought he could at least withstand some sparring with the youngster. When the bell rang, the young Muai Thai practitioner ferociously tenderized his mid-section first. He knocked my buddys wind from his lungs with superfast, ferocious kicks, and nearly took his back teeth out with their powerful punches, elbow strikes, and spinning back fists... causing him to wince, collapse, and withdraw in the first round. The coach, and the young warrior thanked him, and made sure his molars were intact. He said all he could recall was that music and drumbeat. He found it a most humbling and very educational experience. ...then there was the one about the King Cobra snake charmer... 🙄
Excellent video Dan! 👍
You don't spar with elbows
You should do a review of the Karate combat league and your opinion of it.
This is always a great style in my eyes. Always putting out great material Mr Dan
I’m so happy to have seen Muay Boran mentioned in the history. Thank you! Now waiting for Drunken Fist/kung fu video
You can say subhanallah a lot and use two hand grips. That is kung fu. Allah also gives rewards for saying subhanallah a lot. Kung fu is the grandfather of all martial arts and granddaddy of hand to hand fighting.
@@rm89 ,actually places like Africa in terms of Egypt and India in terms of the art known as Kalaripayattu could be considered some of the founding influences of Asian martial arts as how they are viewed now, since those arts and cultures existed before before Chinese developed what came to be known as "Kung-fū"/"Wu Su".
When I trained in MMA I got a glimpse of Muay Thai and now I want to actually train in that particular style... Techniques are very effective and I like leg kicks haha
Many people greatly underestimate the effectiveness of leg kicks. I’ve been fascinated with Muay Thai since I was a kid, and also got a glimpse into it while training MMA.
@@robertnguyen9493 exactly. They really overlook it and they actually get kicked lol and same
@@scottrussell876 there’s one fighter, the last name is Roundtree who famously went to Thailand and trained Muay Thai, he destroyed his opponent’s legs! Also check out the video of the fight between a Thai Fighter and Duke Rufus’s brother Rick
@@robertnguyen9493 niiice and sounds good I’ll definitely check that out
@@scottrussell876 Rick Roufus had to be carried out on a stretcher due to leg kicks
My first proper Style as an adult was Muay Thai.
History goes deeper than that.
There's a lot of ancestry between Lethwei, Muay Thai, Muay Lao, Pradal Serey, Tomoi and Bokator. Looking at the systems they're virtually identical. Each one claims to be the original style.
You also have Krabi-Krabong which is a weapon-based martial art from Thailand. It is closely related to other Southeast Asian fighting styles such as Malay silat, Burmese banshay and Cambodian kbach kun boran.
Let’s also not forget the profound effect culture, wealth, and poverty have on a country’s martial art. We can see this in bold relief when we see how children train in the martial arts. A relatively wealthy country like the United States has so many young kids take karate or TKD lessons as a casual recreation. Juxtapose that with the hard-knock life of a young child in Thailand. These kids grow up quickly, and they subject themselves to the brutal martial art at a level of intensity, even adults in the US seldom experience. Props to these young kids. Just look at this! th-cam.com/video/QpxVQ-S_XIM/w-d-xo.html
And also that a majority of young people training in Thailand in the sport of Muay Thai also start professionally competing at a young age -sometimes 12 or 13- as a way of making a living or to bring money into the family.
front kicks below the belt (hips and legs ) are valid too, as long as there not striking de groin
One of the best combat styles period.
First time I saw Muay Thai was in Streetfighter 2 thanks to Sagat. I heard the name from the Streetfighter 2 animated movie.
I always wanted to trained MT since I saw Kickboxer with JCVD. Maybe one day.... by the way, great joke at the end XD
The Force is strong with you!
I remember watching Kickboxer when I was a kid, and have been in love with Muay Thai ever since! I even enjoyed the sequels with Sasha Mitchel who trained with Benny “The Jet” Urquidez, before transitioning into Dutch style kickboxing.
Bloodsport and Paco was it for me. Kickboxer made me facepalm. I enjoyed it though.
I hope you can do a video about Japanese karateka Tadashi Sawamura who started training in muay Thai after he was soundly defeated by a mT stylist in a karate vs. mT match. My dad said Sawamura then became known as the greatest mT/kickboxing fighter of the 20th century.
*edit*
It would also be nice if Sensei Dan could interview Sawamura-san the same way he did for the Kenpo episodes.
Great quality content as always!
You are a very special person with a distinguished view of the world of martial arts and your channel is very wonderful. Thank you for these outstanding videos
Hey Dan i myself have actually went from Karate to Muay Thai and 100% love it. Its not just punching air and hours of kata its real fighting from being of class to the end . At this new gym we do Muay Thai and bjj so its really the best of both worlds 🌎. Are coach his teacher's gym is the next town over his main stlye is Krabi Krabong that teacher's both .
How could a shorter person succeed against a taller opponent in sparring, tournaments, or self defense street fight
Speed, skill, and intelligence.
Great Video! Could you do a video on Kalaripayattu?
Muay Thai is badass
I had a coworker that studied Thai boxing when he was in Thailand and at that point I wasn’t impressed with the skills he had with 2 years of training. I have since figured out that he trained considerably different than what I thought any martial artist training would be and that was why he couldn’t even stand up to one of my students of only 9 months. We then went through some demonstrations of some of the things I taught and he went to the flight and told them I was very good at what I did and taught. This is the only actual contact I had with anyone who trained in this method. Btw he also helped the tae Kwon do instructor teach classes at the gym, at least until he stopped coming to the gym and teaching anymore.
One big problem here in Thailand especially Bangkok is that Muay Thai gyms are often McDojos looking to make as much money as they can off of tourists and expats and often have low quality of instruction.
You have to make sure the gym you go to has a good reputation before you train and not just go for the school that is closest to you or the one that has the best advertising.
@@jtilton5 this is the case unfortunately anytime you want to learn anything, my former coworker was the one who spent 2years in Thailand training and after dealing with him in the base gym I had no respect for Thai boxing. It was years after that I decided that many places are like you are talking about “mcdojo “. And even more people who don’t really train to become good at what they are doing.
Have you ever considered he might have been a bullshitter, no-one trains for 2 years in mt and has nothing to show for it
Great video bruh. I'm a practitioners of muaythai and you was on point. One love bruh
Muay Thai is definitely a mighty, powerful and extremely effective, martial arts style. The art of eight limbs, as it is often referred to, is highly appropriate given that, the punches, kicks, knees and elbows, are its complete and main weapons, compared to styles that only use punching and kicking.
What I find intriguing about Muay Thai, is that it also has limited stand up grappling, such as the the clinch, also catching of leg kicks, to either and further set up a leg sweep or a throw of the adversary, on the canvas. I am glad that you finally covered Muay Thai, its history, traditions, as well as its modern day competitions, along with its foray in mixed martial arts, amongst other styles such as Wrestling, Judo, Jiu-jitsu, Karate and Taekwondo. Greetings as always, from Melbourne, Australia 🇲🇽🇦🇺🥋🤟✌👍😊Sensei Dan, Osu!
Ive heard that experience audiences of Muay Thai in Thailand can predict who will win a fight just by watching the Wai Kru. They use this skill to place bets lol.
I think that in order to watch Muay Thai you have to watch Muay Thai, not MMA. The same goes for all the arts that are used in MMA. MMA is not the best display for indiviual techniques of specific sports. MMA is more about the integration of the Arts into one sport.
Now you can make a video about Lethwei that is the art of 9 limbs because they hit with headbuts too, and they don't use gloves :)
Great video.
You described the 10 point must system pretty well
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Good one!
Only thing you got wrong or missed was the way its scored, You actually explained the way boxing is scored/judged.
Some Muay Thai matches use the 10 point system. www.kombatgroup.com/muay-thai-scoring
Is there a way i can contact you?
You can reach me through our Facebook page facebook.com/ArtofOneDojo/
@Olivia Jones Can I ask where you got the impression that I ever said that?
@Olivia Jones You just replied to me giving someone my contact information. Why would you even ask this?
@Olivia Jones Sigh....no, I said you replied to ME giving my contact information. Raymond asked me for a way to contact me. I gave him the contact. Then YOU came on here and accused me of saying Kenpo was better than Muay Thai. I don't know where you got that. I never said it. Perhaps you need to manage YOUR accusations?
I honestly don't know what you are asking. Please point to where I said Kenpo was better than Muay Thai. I never said that.
My opinion in relation to the last question as an mma fighter with a lot of training partners with traditional MT experience here. MT has a strange culture about it that seeps directly into the fights themselves. A lot of pride and stubbornness as well as cultural norms that seem to be stripped away in MMA.
Biggest differences I see in application when MT guys do MMA are a lower stance in anticipation of take downs, and a defense that is less boxy and more center line oriented. In MMA I think straight strikes are more prevalent leading to the need to adjust the defense accordingly. Changes to the clinch also have to be considered when the wrestling oriented clinch might be a factor.
Looking forward to the traditional vs modern video.
Muay boran history
Love this channel love this video. But a little more information you might find interesting. Children as young as 6 are sent to live in Muaythai gyms. The reason for this is sad. Thailand is a very poor nation. And for many of these children it is the only way to escape poverty. The majority of Thai fighters share the same goal. To buy their Mother and Father a home. Also something else you might find interesting, in Thailand gambling is completely illegal. We could have a friendly game of cards betting a few pennies on each hand. If someone living on the other side of the street finds out and calls the cops we can go to jail. Thai fights are the only place in Thailand where gambling is legal. And everyone is their own bookie offering their own odds.
I do kung fu by saying subhanallah a lot and using two hand grips. Kung fu is the grandfather of all martial arts and is known as the granddaddy of hand to hand fighting. Allah gives rewards for saying subhanallah a lot.
Good video but!! Muay thai is from the khmer Empire,in modern day Cambodia. Bokatar is the name of the style and it goes back over 2,000 years. The khumer empire had Laos and Thailand, it was the biggest empire in South East Asia. Modern day Laos and Thai people are from Southern China. They integrated with the Mon and khmer people's that have been there for thousands of years.
Muay Thai and Bokator are not the same though. Similar styles but not the same origin.
@@ArtofOneDojo I can say both systems nowadays are taught differently. Muay Boran focuses on striking aspect and as Kun Khmer Boran/Bokator it is a complete martial art system. The instructors would teach the bare-knuckle system, weapons, and wrestling. If you want to get in-depth with Thailand and Cambodia's history. I recommend reading the book "History of Ayutthaya" by Chris Baker and "A History of Cambodia" 4th Edition by David Chandler. Both books do talk about warfare.
@RoseBill423 I mean you are not wrong, the official Thai kingdom didn't start appearing in the 13th century. Sukhothai was the first and broke way under the Angkorian control and then Ayutthaya started appearing in the 1350s. Ayutthaya did follow the Angkorian system but they ran into internal problems regarding which royal house should be taken over and then later broke off from Angkor. They still kept the system after 1432 they were defeated by Ponha Yat who recruited and rallied up Austroasiatic tribes to retake Angkor. After the death of Naresuan in the 1600s. The Angkorian system was re-introduced when King Prasat Thong of Ayutthaya was in power. Ayutthaya, I can say relied on foreign soldiers than their local soldiers. There are written European accounts where they recruited the Moors, Chinese, Cham, Khmer, Laotian, Japanese, and Portuguese. Also, there is no written account of a martial elite class.
You got your fact all wrong, especially the root of the style
How do?
Not enough Sagat
You start off with the question, is Muay Thai traditional, and the at 5:58/9 you say that Muay Thai kick ARE NOT LIKE TRADITIONAL or Taekwondo kicks......... so I guess you don't feel Muay Thai is traditional, sure it is.
You're comparing a comment on a particular technique to an overall analysis of an art, that's a false equivalence. I specifically said the Muay Thai ROUND KICKS (not even all kicks, I singled out round kicks) were not like the traditional kicks you usually see or like traditional TKD kicks. Most arts deliver round kicks in a clean chambering motion, while Muay Thai round kicks have more of a chopping action to them.
I also spend the entire video showing examples and advocating why Muay Thai IS a traditional art, so why you'd single out a specific comment that doesn't impact the overall analysis seems like creating a debate where one didn't exist.