Judge said he is not giving evidence. He then brings up the issue of traffic, and says "We are helping each other." How exactly was he helping Adv. Mngomezulu? Then Baloyi brings up that same notion as his re-examination. Kuyacaca ukuthi ijudge belisiza bani. I also don't get why he scoffed when the name of the defense lawyer(Monyeki) was mentioned. We are watching.
What ever he may try to justify,,the car was there for 20 minutes and even if there was traffic it can't be for 20 minutes in one place,,and there was no traffic that time, people were at home because of lock down So it went inside as Ntanzi said
I do not believe there was a lot of traffic as hospital visits were not allowed at that time. Gauteng Health 31 March 2020 The Gauteng Department of Health has noted with concern that community members continue to visit in numbers at public hospitals to see their loved ones despite the lockdown period announced by the President last week. We wish to inform the public that visiting times as of Thursday, 26 March 2020, have been cancelled at all Gauteng public hospitals for the duration of lockdown period.
'am not giving evidence' 'am not giving evidence' but doing it stop that nnonsooonsooo niknaks the attention seeker,🤪baragwanath makes his blood to rise high,ijaakg a re traffic ka lockdown 🤨wa tlhanya wena niknaks stop embarassing your kids if at all you gut🤮 Poor Ntanzi 17 + 23 hours handcuffed in 🚔 ngwana Modimo🥺!Danko Mngooooo🫦 Great weekend y'all be SOBER Much marato from Germany 🇩🇪🇧🇼🖤👊🏿
Its impressive that SC. Mngomezulu his line of question was mainly not on just the landmarks but he was always referring to the coordinate, salute to Adv. Mshololo for sitting down on this one and allowing Adv. Monyeki for cross examination and laying basis especially in those coordinates. 👏👏👏👏
MSHOLOLO WENZE KAHLE BY ALLOWING MONYEKI TO CROSS EXAMINE THE WITNESS OR ELSE WE WOULD HAVE ADJOURNED EARLY DUE TO RATHA HAVING CAUSED EVERYONE IN THE COURT ROOM HEART PALPITATIONS,TJERRRR THIS JUDGE😢
2:31:40 Adv Mgomezulu is right. Where Nando’s now sits it used to be open area. You can see it when you use Google earth. But on Google map and iPhone map it shows the updated picture
Mr. Judge/Prosecutor AKA Witness killed me when staying, did you consider the issue of traffic hence it is a busy road?.... I.was like, Mr Judge what are your intentions from the narratives coz indeed it was that time of Level 3 of COVID 19. This man is not right
Most of them NOT because they didn't take into account rights of the accused until found guilty. Rathatha had to agree with the Defence on this one when he started quoting some apartheid era case law regarding the admissibility of the recorded confession by Ntanzi...
Ratha is a specialist Judge in cases where there's predetermined outcome Baloyi is a specialist prosecutor in cases where there's a predetermined outcome
I struggle to understand the objective of this, Kelly is alive, Longwe is alive, Kelly's mother is alive, why are people being prosecuted when they were not in the house and the relevant people are out there
You are motivated by hatred for the Khumalo's. Which people are you referring to who were not in the house? Mncube was placed in the house by ballistic evidence and Ntanzi was also identified by two witnesses who were in the house. Fortunately the court only deals with evidence and not your theories or gossip.
The most useful tool for the defense today. Is the interpreter. That guys gives the defense that extra layer of emphasis on every critical point. The judge's judicial notes, how this guy interprets them. Combined with defense counter views, it causes the judge to disregard him. It's painful. He even interjects while he's busy to indicate to the defense to carry on. He even walked out of the court while the interpreter was still busy interpreting. This judge has no court atiquette. He is rude!!! Urhwada lo Tata emdala.
That one is always confused according to me cause sometimes he can be the prosecutor 🚩 and the judge at the same times making rulings iyoh,sata Africa 😅😅😅
The judge is really crazy ufakazani nge traffic yase Bara mnxim yini kanti ngalobaba. If he sees ukuthi defence ihamba ngomgqa he interrupts to confuse them
If you can listen to this, there was something happening a driver can't just stop and go for nothing definitely something was happening so i believe when Ntanzi was saying they assaulted him
2:34:29 Mngomezulu gives Du Preez coordinates (which I believe came from the AVL) and asks him to show the coordinates. Du Preez tries by all means to avoid showing them and deviates by talking about the "last known position... ", "... close to the gate". Funny enough, those coordinates put the pin right inside Baragwanath.
I do appreciate this cas for it has taken through different subject areas . We have learnt about ballistics, ( physics) pathological report ,( life science) AVL ( geography) 😂😂 any other subject i missed.
I've had enough of Judge 'Fingertips'. He was really giving evidence, interjecting (on behalf of Baloyi) whereas there was nowhere he was seen assisting the defense except disavantaging them. He clearly shows that he is not neutral but on Baloyi's side (regarded as being biased). What he is doing now is to position all evidence into his 'already finalised' judgement. Once evidence takes another direction, he gets angry and tries to twist it (in a way) to support his judgement. Very bad of him.
Dream on! I would have done the same thing if I was a Judge listening to ridiculous line of questioning not helping the court arrive at the truth. MEDIOCRE Lawyers and the Judge has had to educate, assist, mediate and do a lot of things otherwise this trial will not move forward-the quality of lawyers and journalism in this case is shocking.
Thank you mr Du Preeze for clarification even if u cut off some critical section due to the situation you are finding yourself. Im thankful for what you put on the table. No two stories its clear there was a tortured and chooping. And they were at muti muti locations. ❤ joh imagine someone hands cuffed at the back and at no point did i hear of him asking for a toilet.😢😢😢 cruel men & women in uniform.😢😢 and the judge doesnt see anything wrong with it wena.😮
Then the defense should bring their own expert to check if the device has been tampered with. In a nutshell the tracking system requires at least 4 satellites out of 24 global satellites in order to establish what is referred as the '3D Lock', which ensures that the installed device can pinpoint the accurate location of a particular vehicle within 10m radius. In circumstances where the installed device couldn't lock onto at least 4 satellites, then it would go into the 'unlocked status', and may in those circumstances provide an inaccurate geographic location of the vehicle. I have witnessed this a couple of times with my own vehicle.
Ratha will surprise everyone. Where people see him as being on the side of the prosecution, all his 'questions/ inference, is solely to close loopholes the state might want to exploit once judgement is given. The fact that Baloyi agrees with him a lot, will make it difficult for him to say the final judgement is flawed...
Very true. The problem is that they sometimes do not recognise his hints. For example, he hinted they must not dwell solely on the Bill of rights issues by saying he has the right to decide whether to bring in information even if it was obtained in an unconstitutional manner. He was saying that they must bring forward other compelling issues as well.
What is he saying coz the police officers denied that they went to bara now he is trying to cover-up he is not an AVL expert he should listen like everyone and I liked the way Mngomezulu putted him his place😊
Ratha is giving evidence… the defence needs to ask for the same car to be driven under the bara-bridge and see if the car looses the signal “GPS unlocked”. I bet that will not happen.
@@SylviaMitchell-tz2sl The state must get their own expert… The bribed expert was lying when he said Google maps can’t show you pictures/views of old dates... Google does give you the option to see previous dates on Street View... all he needed to do was to click "see more dates" and the court would see exactly what the defence was asking for.
Oh, Accuse #2 seems to be telling the truth (GPS Unlock on the play - Jammers at play). Doubt is created that the statements were not made voluntary, etc...
And taking into consideration that police waited for avl to admit that they were next to filling station...on his evidence in chief he said he was busy with cases and he even brought those docket with him while avl shows that he was at next to filling station the whole time ... he contradicted himself and I think defense missed it ...
Remember he brought with him dockets and then he said accused persons was shown that confidential information...avl contradicted him ... lets hope they will bring it on argument
I so wish that this case be later handled to serious officials from another country or overseas, sothat those who know that even if they can't be serious, they will never be arrested, they regret it
Well some questions seem useless until you go to your arguments and you refer to the records of what the witness said,then you will appreciate the small details
He was establishing that Within a 48hr period ntanzi was up and down the whole country for 40hours. 17hrs out the previous day. 2 hours at the cell and booked out again. Spent another 23 hours with investigaters, again not detained at the cells.out of 48hrs they spent 40 hours with him
Judge Ratha you are no longer a judge in this matter but a prosecutor assisting advocate Baloyi. You are bias tata. Everybody, everywhere see that. Whom exactly are you shielding ?
This guy is wasting our data maan...he s actually asking the guy to repeat all that he told us during evidence in chief. No substance in his questioning
futhi it's strange that the judge is the first person to testify about the possibility of traffic at the hospital.... no...this was supposed to 1st come from the people that were driving the vehicle.
I can't believe this judge so his explanation to why the car was gps unlocked for more than 10mins is due to traffic please judge we stay at Soweto we go to bara often, as the public we can all agree that even when you inside a taxi from bara taxi rank it doesnt even take 5 mins for us to pass the Chris Hani hospital robots. Those robots are always working and I can say, I have never been stuck in traffic there for than 10mins...we can already hear your "judgement".
@@DominicaMaseko the bridge over the hospital, is it not a witness who's supposed to say such? If the defense asking questions he should not interfere he should leave it and see where it will lead the defense questioning.
@@Retiredcheaterat times as defending counsel you need to disprove the states version not always asking clarity and when such is given still you don't defend such but say "ok"😅
Several errors were observed in the expert's presentation of evidence. Specifically, there is a discrepancy in the distance mentioned-Koma (Coordinates: -26.258910, 27.914483), which is less than 2 km away from the Shell garage. This street is more likely to be the one since it is near the (Mokhahlanne Street, Chris Hani Street, Modaji, Shell Orlando, and Mpondonde Street). Additionally, when making a right turn (not left), the street in question is Sheffield Road, not Dynamo Street.
He is being sarcastic, because there is no relevance to what as defending counsel is busy with understanding routes. Prosecution told us what is their version. Defense must disagree by saying this route takes you to such and such a place so my client or my admission as per instructions, this is what happened. How many robots ,how many turns, streets names😂
The onus is on the state to prove beyond reasonable doubt. This case has many eyebrow raising questions. SAPS tailoring evidence, NPA conducting the case in an irregular way, employing ambush tactics. Court is allowing the SAPS and NPA to play build a case. Unfair proceedings, judge giving evidence.
The guy speculate wen baloyi asked him about the bara but wen mongomezulu asked him about the posibility of things can change now he can not speculate 😮
It seems as we are focusing only on this AVL while there was past evidence that is already presented in this court that pointed Ntanzi somewhere somehow
The accused councillors when in tight corner always ask for adjournment to fabricate another lie.Those accused are Inkambi they must just tell the court the truth.
You are somehow exhibiting mental retardation features. That you are a thief doesn't mean everywhere there is something stolen then you are responsible. They might be inkabis but that doesn't automatically place them on this scene and that is why this needs to be proven. Where did you take it that them being inkabis then it means that they are guilty for this specific murder? Do you listen to your thoughts or you just have verbal diarrhoea???
Yes. The AVL does not axactly tie in with their version. They will have a hard time convincing the court that it does. Worse is that the vehicle was said to have mechanical problems, which easily disputes their version.
But the defense have all the rights to bring their own expert who can verify the AVL GPS coordinates. If it doesn't go their way we gona hear the 2nd expert also received brown envelope😂😂
Ntanzi has been lying this whole time, and since angekho la evosloo akusaqhumi zibhamu ehhostela .Name junkie aya ngokwehla ngisho nama hit and tavern shooting
I wonder if the interpreters are Zulu speakers cos ay most of the important points they miss them. Those who rely on them are missing essential points. Pls interpreters say what is being said.
During covid lockdowns, the 'township' were still very vibrant. Vehicle traffic and movement of people did not change much within the 'townships' did not change much . Poeple defied lockdown rules. Lockdown was more observed in the cities, and in what we call 'suburbs'
Really? My Township was very quiet during lockdown because of police enforcing the Covid-19 laws. There were movement But not to a point of creating traffic congestion
@@ntombi3171most of the country obeyed the first hard lockdown. Mainly out of fear of the unknown. Beypond that the 'township' behavioural paterns started being slack. Level 3 was even more vibrant. Most contraband could be purchased in the 'townships'. Many shops were busy as usual. Taxi ranks were a buzz of activities. Spazas did not practice spacing. Kids played in the streets, etc.
The judge Rata,is very Bais , anything oppressed the accused, is praising and anything oppressed witness , he intervene and try to dismiss or dislocate the lawyers
It's puzzling AVL records read by Mogale last week don't correct with what cthe expect is reading. Last week RingRoad inAlberton was mentioned but today it's not picked up,it is the vicinity of the dumping area is.
Adv. Mngomezulu and Mshololo/Monyeki you're doing your best for the accused. SALUTE !
Judge said he is not giving evidence. He then brings up the issue of traffic, and says "We are helping each other." How exactly was he helping Adv. Mngomezulu? Then Baloyi brings up that same notion as his re-examination. Kuyacaca ukuthi ijudge belisiza bani. I also don't get why he scoffed when the name of the defense lawyer(Monyeki) was mentioned. We are watching.
What ever he may try to justify,,the car was there for 20 minutes and even if there was traffic it can't be for 20 minutes in one place,,and there was no traffic that time, people were at home because of lock down
So it went inside as Ntanzi said
@@madimkhonzeseemela1841
And no hospital visits due to covid.
@@madimkhonzeseemela1841thank you. The behaviour of this judge is disgusting to say the least
Uyadika elixhego eli
I do not believe there was a lot of traffic as hospital visits were not allowed at that time.
Gauteng Health
31 March 2020
The Gauteng Department of Health has noted with concern that community members continue to visit in numbers at public hospitals to see their loved ones despite the lockdown period announced by the President last week.
We wish to inform the public that visiting times as of Thursday, 26 March 2020, have been cancelled at all Gauteng public hospitals for the duration of lockdown period.
Siyabonga advocate Ramosipile ngokulanda uMngomezulu uyibambile lempi yalelijaji eliphendulela ofakazi
Liphenduka ufakazi, libe yi prosecutor libe utolika at the same time
He even forgot that in 2020,there was Covid 19 pandemic and the country was under strict lock down. He is busy telling the court about traffic.
@@nonikomaluleks317 libe ibhunu elinobandlululo
Ratha has a listening problem because he is fully biased against the defence
He is worried that the truth will come out,look at his mouth,uyaminya ukhulumela ngaphakathi🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That means means some of the stuff he has written for his judgement is incorrect.
The judge confused me when he talked about traffic in Level 3 Lockdown
Ratha must make history by being the first judge to be impeached while retired.
He is busy shaking head when Monyeki is asking questions as if he already knows the angle monyeki is taking ...
'am not giving evidence' 'am not giving evidence' but doing it stop that nnonsooonsooo niknaks the attention seeker,🤪baragwanath makes his blood to rise high,ijaakg a re traffic ka lockdown 🤨wa tlhanya wena niknaks stop embarassing your kids if at all you gut🤮 Poor Ntanzi 17 + 23 hours handcuffed in 🚔 ngwana Modimo🥺!Danko Mngooooo🫦
Great weekend y'all be SOBER
Much marato from Germany
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He is something else lobaba.
@@nqobilencube2259 aggggg but he is boring now he is always singing thaz yet knowing he does o batla mpama 👋🏿
We rata you back sisi❤❤❤❤❤❤
@@Phila-zd3ps danko mothowam 🫦
Its impressive that SC. Mngomezulu his line of question was mainly not on just the landmarks but he was always referring to the coordinate, salute to Adv. Mshololo for sitting down on this one and allowing Adv. Monyeki for cross examination and laying basis especially in those coordinates. 👏👏👏👏
Great move by adv.Mshololo.
Monyike established that in 48hrs the accused was in the police hands for 40hrs
Ziyakhala
Mr Mngomezulu continues with his hard work, and Dlakadla continues frustrating Rata😊
MSHOLOLO WENZE KAHLE BY ALLOWING MONYEKI TO CROSS EXAMINE THE WITNESS OR ELSE WE WOULD HAVE ADJOURNED EARLY DUE TO RATHA HAVING CAUSED EVERYONE IN THE COURT ROOM HEART PALPITATIONS,TJERRRR THIS JUDGE😢
2:31:40 Adv Mgomezulu is right. Where Nando’s now sits it used to be open area. You can see it when you use Google earth. But on Google map and iPhone map it shows the updated picture
So these officers didnt get to sleep because they were bizzy manufacturing these lies presented in court today
Pedestrian Bridge is narrow and high and it takes milli seconds to drive though it, so it won't affect gps tracking at all
Mr. Judge/Prosecutor AKA Witness killed me when staying, did you consider the issue of traffic hence it is a busy road?....
I.was like, Mr Judge what are your intentions from the narratives coz indeed it was that time of Level 3 of COVID 19. This man is not right
During that time of covid, it was very busy at hospitals to an extent that there were no beds available
Yip and did you see his mouth 👄 he was talking to himself or very frustrated 😅😮
@@Chibvunzamaybe busy inside the hospital.. not on the road.. roads were clear..no traffic at all
We South Africans we must vote for motion of no confidence to this judge. White judge must step in.lo khehle is protecting Cele and Gininda
Can the Counsels ask the Judge to recuse himself for prevailing of justice for Meyiwa
We never know maybe there is already a complaint against him.(yesterday he said to Mshololo does she want him to recuse himself 😅😅😅
They can appeal, for me the judge is doing a great Job. Every decision he takes he references old cases.
@@anthonynchabeleng2664 you mean OLD APARTHEID ERA cases when there was no constitution and Bill of rights??? Interesting comment 😂
@@ntombi3171 Are those case no longer relevant?
Most of them NOT because they didn't take into account rights of the accused until found guilty. Rathatha had to agree with the Defence on this one when he started quoting some apartheid era case law regarding the admissibility of the recorded confession by Ntanzi...
Ratha is a specialist Judge in cases where there's predetermined outcome
Baloyi is a specialist prosecutor in cases where there's a predetermined outcome
Former chief justice spoke of such cases with predetermined outcomes.
😂😂
I struggle to understand the objective of this, Kelly is alive, Longwe is alive, Kelly's mother is alive, why are people being prosecuted when they were not in the house and the relevant people are out there
I have the same question, hayiiii
You are motivated by hatred for the Khumalo's. Which people are you referring to who were not in the house? Mncube was placed in the house by ballistic evidence and Ntanzi was also identified by two witnesses who were in the house. Fortunately the court only deals with evidence and not your theories or gossip.
How did the ballistic place Mncube on the scene?.
@user-eo8ir7pt3p why would Khumalos be hated and which evidence places the accused inside the house lol hai let's just wait for the final verdict nje
@@michaellekgau-eh9bx The gun found with Mncube in the Alexanda taxi boss murder case, is the same gun that fired the shot that killed Senzo.
Well done Mshololo for training Monyeki well uzakahle mfana
Yhaaa uza kahle umfana,Mshololo lite and he is not intimidated by the judge👏👏👏
Who said he was trained by her? 👀
@@KoketsoCathy😂😂😂
@KoketsoCathy Exactly. His approach is very different from Mshololo. He also chooses his battles well, though some times not successfully.
Judge Ratha/State witness. First in History too be playing two roles at once. What does this say about the South African Justice system 😢
And the last
It's actually 3 roles Judge, Prosecutor, and Witness
I agree 💯 ratatatata is very flexible...three in one 😮
Mngomezulu uyilegend
Mngomezulu ke boss
The most useful tool for the defense today. Is the interpreter. That guys gives the defense that extra layer of emphasis on every critical point. The judge's judicial notes, how this guy interprets them. Combined with defense counter views, it causes the judge to disregard him. It's painful. He even interjects while he's busy to indicate to the defense to carry on. He even walked out of the court while the interpreter was still busy interpreting. This judge has no court atiquette. He is rude!!! Urhwada lo Tata emdala.
My Lord is giving evidence
That one is always confused according to me cause sometimes he can be the prosecutor 🚩 and the judge at the same times making rulings iyoh,sata Africa 😅😅😅
Oh no !!!
Ratha he is not happy about the GPS unlock at Bara 🤣🤣
He's trying shame
He must go please himslf...he can't judge against what is not
Can someone ask the JP to listen to the recordings every after court ngoba serious Ratha is out of order
The judge is really crazy ufakazani nge traffic yase Bara mnxim yini kanti ngalobaba. If he sees ukuthi defence ihamba ngomgqa he interrupts to confuse them
yazini😮😮😮
Thankyou so much mr Monyeki, usebenzile bafo
Thanks to Ramosepele for bringing advocate Mngomezulu ❤❤❤
That is what intelligent people do, they pass the stick in the relay to the one who can successfully finish the race and we eventually all win
If you can listen to this, there was something happening a driver can't just stop and go for nothing definitely something was happening so i believe when Ntanzi was saying they assaulted him
Judge must go back to retirement before he get high blood pressure by the way he is a state witness that assisting the witness 😂
Kuyacaca ukuthi imoto iduma icisha kulapho phela bemshaya imoto nxa iduma nxa beyicima usuka usuvuma ngoba usuka usabela impilo yakho
2:34:29 Mngomezulu gives Du Preez coordinates (which I believe came from the AVL) and asks him to show the coordinates. Du Preez tries by all means to avoid showing them and deviates by talking about the "last known position... ", "... close to the gate". Funny enough, those coordinates put the pin right inside Baragwanath.
Ladies and gentlemen lets respect the fingers of the judge😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Nawe😅😅😅😅😅😅❤
Rather is sitting on the wrong seat he should be sitting in the witness box.
The witness is humble
I do appreciate this cas for it has taken through different subject areas . We have learnt about ballistics, ( physics) pathological report ,( life science) AVL ( geography) 😂😂 any other subject i missed.
History😂😂😂😂1928
IT (telecomnication) exchange of calls between accused an kelly😅😅😅
Life Orientation 😂😂😂
Dates History 😊
@@thandoklaas4679😂😂😂😂
Yazi nofakazi umangele ukuthi kanti yi judge enjani ejika ibe yi witness
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I've had enough of Judge 'Fingertips'. He was really giving evidence, interjecting (on behalf of Baloyi) whereas there was nowhere he was seen assisting the defense except disavantaging them. He clearly shows that he is not neutral but on Baloyi's side (regarded as being biased). What he is doing now is to position all evidence into his 'already finalised' judgement. Once evidence takes another direction, he gets angry and tries to twist it (in a way) to support his judgement. Very bad of him.
Dream on! I would have done the same thing if I was a Judge listening to ridiculous line of questioning not helping the court arrive at the truth. MEDIOCRE Lawyers and the Judge has had to educate, assist, mediate and do a lot of things otherwise this trial will not move forward-the quality of lawyers and journalism in this case is shocking.
The interpreter cha cha cha....expose this useless judge Mr Mgo...
Rata. Hlonipha. Abanye. Bayasebenza. Njengawe. 👽👽👽👽
So this Avl guy cant tell new developments or he is misleading the court-😀😀😀 .Ntanzi is winning this one
Prof Mngomezulu 😊
Thank you mr Du Preeze for clarification even if u cut off some critical section due to the situation you are finding yourself. Im thankful for what you put on the table. No two stories its clear there was a tortured and chooping. And they were at muti muti locations. ❤ joh imagine someone hands cuffed at the back and at no point did i hear of him asking for a toilet.😢😢😢 cruel men & women in uniform.😢😢 and the judge doesnt see anything wrong with it wena.😮
What is so hard to figure out that they've used jammer
100 % on point
Those cops knew what they were busy with and it will come back to them so they jemmed
Then the defense should bring their own expert to check if the device has been tampered with. In a nutshell the tracking system requires at least 4 satellites out of 24 global satellites in order to establish what is referred as the '3D Lock', which ensures that the installed device can pinpoint the accurate location of a particular vehicle within 10m radius. In circumstances where the installed device couldn't lock onto at least 4 satellites, then it would go into the 'unlocked status', and may in those circumstances provide an inaccurate geographic location of the vehicle. I have witnessed this a couple of times with my own vehicle.
Wejaji kwakungavakashwa lapha kwamayelana nophenyo musa nje ukuchema ngicela ube I judge pls
Ratha will surprise everyone. Where people see him as being on the side of the prosecution, all his 'questions/ inference, is solely to close loopholes the state might want to exploit once judgement is given. The fact that Baloyi agrees with him a lot, will make it difficult for him to say the final judgement is flawed...
I agree with you ... Gee
Very true. The problem is that they sometimes do not recognise his hints. For example, he hinted they must not dwell solely on the Bill of rights issues by saying he has the right to decide whether to bring in information even if it was obtained in an unconstitutional manner. He was saying that they must bring forward other compelling issues as well.
Definitely!!😊😊
That's what I used to think when he was first introduced in this matter ay but now I honestly do not understand him. I don't
GPS unlocked ,where does he enter ?coz at night the is no traffic, Ratta is indeed giving evidence
What is he saying coz the police officers denied that they went to bara now he is trying to cover-up he is not an AVL expert he should listen like everyone and I liked the way Mngomezulu putted him his place😊
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What traffic during stage 3 of lockdown?? Ay angeke this judge!! " we're helping each other"
He must be at home helping his grandkids if any 😅
Judge witness always leading the witness
Mngomezulu is right, this vehicle was moving, but it did not change the odo or mileage because it moved less than kilometer
I remember the judge giving a similar explanation
Ratha is giving evidence… the defence needs to ask for the same car to be driven under the bara-bridge and see if the car looses the signal “GPS unlocked”. I bet that will not happen.
I'm sure that is what ngonezulu is going to do just to prove this bribed expert something 😅
Stop smoking nyaope!
@@baebooi5885 ok nyaope smoker
@@SylviaMitchell-tz2sl The state must get their own expert… The bribed expert was lying when he said Google maps can’t show you pictures/views of old dates... Google does give you the option to see previous dates on Street View... all he needed to do was to click "see more dates" and the court would see exactly what the defence was asking for.
Judge is working with cele and gininda.....
Period 🤗
Akulona i judge uRatha but team state and it's so obvious
Rathatha is SENILE he should be at home playing with his grandchildren🚮🚮🚮
Oh, Accuse #2 seems to be telling the truth (GPS Unlock on the play - Jammers at play). Doubt is created that the statements were not made voluntary, etc...
And taking into consideration that police waited for avl to admit that they were next to filling station...on his evidence in chief he said he was busy with cases and he even brought those docket with him while avl shows that he was at next to filling station the whole time ... he contradicted himself and I think defense missed it ...
Remember he brought with him dockets and then he said accused persons was shown that confidential information...avl contradicted him ... lets hope they will bring it on argument
Nothing matters to the judge in that trial. He made his ruling already. He is just killing time looking forward to go on holiday.
If it's not evidence that Ratha is giving, then what is it?
I so wish that this case be later handled to serious officials from another country or overseas, sothat those who know that even if they can't be serious, they will never be arrested, they regret it
Is that possible my dear? Like to be "handled by other country's judge" if so we can be glad as we are tired of these bias judge
I'm so willing!
Shem your Judge!
This Monyeki guy is asking useless questions even asking witness to count hrs
Well some questions seem useless until you go to your arguments and you refer to the records of what the witness said,then you will appreciate the small details
He was establishing that Within a 48hr period ntanzi was up and down the whole country for 40hours. 17hrs out the previous day. 2 hours at the cell and booked out again. Spent another 23 hours with investigaters, again not detained at the cells.out of 48hrs they spent 40 hours with him
Then he was supposed to put that to the witness. Don't ask him to count. He is boring us. Sorry, no, haaaiii!!!😢😢😢😢
Judge Ratha you are no longer a judge in this matter but a prosecutor assisting advocate Baloyi. You are bias tata. Everybody, everywhere see that.
Whom exactly are you shielding ?
He wants more 💰💰💰
This guy is wasting our data maan...he s actually asking the guy to repeat all that he told us during evidence in chief. No substance in his questioning
You can switch of your data Sir thina we are here to get every detail in this case, this questions might be useless to you but for us they are not
Does the AVL shows whether the on and off is a car break down ???
Guys baphi baphi bo😢😢
So the judge is alleging that the car went under the bridge at Bara for 20 minutes? 😂
He can dream all he wants, it's his right,but he can't temper with the facts
futhi it's strange that the judge is the first person to testify about the possibility of traffic at the hospital.... no...this was supposed to 1st come from the people that were driving the vehicle.
Judge Ratha udlala ukuguga wena
I think Dupreez doesn't know anything about Baragwanath according to the case and the version of accuse no1
I can't believe this judge so his explanation to why the car was gps unlocked for more than 10mins is due to traffic please judge we stay at Soweto we go to bara often, as the public we can all agree that even when you inside a taxi from bara taxi rank it doesnt even take 5 mins for us to pass the Chris Hani hospital robots. Those robots are always working and I can say, I have never been stuck in traffic there for than 10mins...we can already hear your "judgement".
Does the judge allowed to say such information?
What information?
@@DominicaMaseko the bridge over the hospital, is it not a witness who's supposed to say such? If the defense asking questions he should not interfere he should leave it and see where it will lead the defense questioning.
@@Retiredcheaterat times as defending counsel you need to disprove the states version not always asking clarity and when such is given still you don't defend such but say "ok"😅
Judge did you get a brown in viloppe
You see Khelly is working so hard to get millions,judge doesn't come cheap,she must pay all those millions to Ratha and Vaseline Vaseline,Netflix
Obviously 💰
Several errors were observed in the expert's presentation of evidence. Specifically, there is a discrepancy in the distance mentioned-Koma (Coordinates: -26.258910, 27.914483), which is less than 2 km away from the Shell garage. This street is more likely to be the one since it is near the (Mokhahlanne Street, Chris Hani Street, Modaji, Shell Orlando, and Mpondonde Street). Additionally, when making a right turn (not left), the street in question is Sheffield Road, not Dynamo Street.
Avl protecting the tender. Totally misleading. Especially that place in Hieldeburg that nandos was not there in 2020-😀😀😀
Imbeko kule judge ayikho tuu shm. Uyadika nhe qha
Mngomezulu u are a pain in Ratha and Baloi's something
Ratha likes to show off that he knows all languages and all roads 😂
He is being sarcastic, because there is no relevance to what as defending counsel is busy with understanding routes. Prosecution told us what is their version. Defense must disagree by saying this route takes you to such and such a place so my client or my admission as per instructions, this is what happened. How many robots ,how many turns, streets names😂
Isigcino uzothi wazalelwa kwamhlaba uyalingana lomkhulu😮
@@Phila-zd3ps😂😂😂
The onus is on the state to prove beyond reasonable doubt. This case has many eyebrow raising questions. SAPS tailoring evidence, NPA conducting the case in an irregular way, employing ambush tactics. Court is allowing the SAPS and NPA to play build a case. Unfair proceedings, judge giving evidence.
The guy speculate wen baloyi asked him about the bara but wen mongomezulu asked him about the posibility of things can change now he can not speculate 😮
what will the police officers say now having known that the vehicle went to the baraguana hospital when they said they never went there
The shifts that these police work look abnormal, and the on and off of the ignition
My lord my foot.
Niyamuphonsa uMngomezulu nina, sekhwehlela into engapheli😢😢
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😂😂😂😂😂kodwa Sbusiso !!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
It seems as we are focusing only on this AVL while there was past evidence that is already presented in this court that pointed Ntanzi somewhere somehow
Wemame lo my lord wenu
My lord the records doesn’t understand Afrikaans
The accused councillors when in tight corner always ask for adjournment to fabricate another lie.Those accused are Inkambi they must just tell the court the truth.
😂😂They are wasting time on Ntanzi's lies while he smiles on the dock
Awàaa
You are somehow exhibiting mental retardation features.
That you are a thief doesn't mean everywhere there is something stolen then you are responsible.
They might be inkabis but that doesn't automatically place them on this scene and that is why this needs to be proven.
Where did you take it that them being inkabis then it means that they are guilty for this specific murder?
Do you listen to your thoughts or you just have verbal diarrhoea???
Yes. The AVL does not axactly tie in with their version. They will have a hard time convincing the court that it does. Worse is that the vehicle was said to have mechanical problems, which easily disputes their version.
Expert is not Experting when questions is drawing another inference
No judge is lying there’s a gate going into Bardgwanath before the bridge
AVL can be tempered, Ntazi can not lie. Bring people who were in the house
But the defense have all the rights to bring their own expert who can verify the AVL GPS coordinates. If it doesn't go their way we gona hear the 2nd expert also received brown envelope😂😂
Ntanzi has been lying this whole time, and since angekho la evosloo akusaqhumi zibhamu ehhostela .Name junkie aya ngokwehla ngisho nama hit and tavern shooting
Go open the case against the people that were in the house if you have evidence. Stop gossiping too much.
@@dannym7593These people are crazy I'm telling you 😅
@@Chibvunzayou're so heartless mfwethu how can you say a such or maybe nawe you were in the khumalos house uncolile wena
Msholi asking Sotho 5.2 uyithathaphi intombi😂😂😂
one thing about this case, we're learning a lot and we're still gona learn more on Thabo Bester's, i hope minister of justice is aware of that.
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Wow we will all celebrate 🥂🎈
hahahaha, you also think the judge is a bit too harsh on the defence and the accused(s)?@@SylviaMitchell-tz2sl
Dead by Mnisi and Nxumalo's gossip seeing Mngo's mistake. Mnisi is like haaai!
Baloyi😂and Mngomezulu😂zizogudluna one day 😆🙈
I wonder if the interpreters are Zulu speakers cos ay most of the important points they miss them. Those who rely on them are missing essential points. Pls interpreters say what is being said.
During covid lockdowns, the 'township' were still very vibrant. Vehicle traffic and movement of people did not change much within the 'townships' did not change much . Poeple defied lockdown rules. Lockdown was more observed in the cities, and in what we call 'suburbs'
Really? My Township was very quiet during lockdown because of police enforcing the Covid-19 laws. There were movement But not to a point of creating traffic congestion
@@ntombi3171most of the country obeyed the first hard lockdown. Mainly out of fear of the unknown. Beypond that the 'township' behavioural paterns started being slack. Level 3 was even more vibrant. Most contraband could be purchased in the 'townships'. Many shops were busy as usual. Taxi ranks were a buzz of activities. Spazas did not practice spacing. Kids played in the streets, etc.
Judge o na le anger so much when it comes to defense lawyers
The judge Rata,is very Bais , anything oppressed the accused, is praising and anything oppressed witness , he intervene and try to dismiss or dislocate the lawyers
Ratha is suffering from dementia
Judge looks like not feeling well
😂, 🤣 he was admonished by the Judge president
It's puzzling AVL records read by Mogale last week don't correct with what cthe expect is reading. Last week RingRoad inAlberton was mentioned but today it's not picked up,it is the vicinity of the dumping area is.
Shem
It's because of Chris Hani story his stressed the truth shall be revealed 😅
Why the car on and off but no movement