The key to support is finding the balance between maximizing your value while supporting the aggression of others- what hero do you find this playstyle to be most intuitive?
Easily kiriko, her playstyle is largely about taking off angles either with your dps and shooting stuff and healing simultaneously (weaving can be good) or even being the "flex dps" and applying off angle pressure to force enemies to look at one extra angle. We ignore the season 2 Winston Lucio kiri sojourn meta where kiri healbotting was quite meta
It has to be Kiriko or Bap since you lose almost nothing from weaving your shots and heals. Ana's also have a very easy time at doing damage with their high damage, no fall off, hitscan scopes. But because she has shared ammo many of them feel scared to practice it because they hate the idea of having someone die because you're reloading. However if you do damage and get a kill you won't need to heal as much. You can take out 30% of a squishies hp from across the map, no headshot required, that is big.
kinda true though- i've seen so many supports who try to copy him but they dont have good aim. So they're not healing OR doing damage. I can accept a zenyata who's popping off and killing everything, but i've seen so many moiras who couldnt do damage, or ana's who are out of position and keep dying over and over again. In that case, yeah, you should be healing more. I main tracer btw- so i really dont rely on healings from my team, im used to surviving alone.
You can tell they don't pay awkward any mind because even on bad aim days he still dominates the game most of the time with the fundamentals he teaches.
@@Summonick2 who said that?i didnt mention "being the best" i mentioned being BARELY COMPETENT. U have QP to pratice, in ranked you should ALREADY BE A CERTAIN LEVEL of skill. You shouldnt be "TRYING" new things in ranked, you should be praticing what you're confortable with to make sure you can carry your own weight. If you cant hit your shots with ana then go for deathmatches, QP, arcade mode, aim trainers etc, so by the time you queue for ranked you can acctualy do it. If you CAN hit your shots and go for frags, ok good luck. But my critique is for noobs who think they can copy awkward without doing some of the most basic things- correctly.. Im not even talking about game sense, its primarily common sense. People who see a bastion in turret form and walk foward anyway shouldnt be trying to copy akwward
i agree 100% of this, but its not a bad thing to help too, the thing is, support should help to kill more, not to heal bot the team, thats their real job
@Peacecamper idk, I like killing as Lifeweaver lol. His thorn volley does really good damage, and I can still pump out strong heals. Same with his Ult. Throw it in the middle of a teamfight and shoot some bitches. And Moira should naturally be helping secure kills anyways. Her whole thing is healing and killing, a Moira that's healbotting is a had Moira, regardless of her healing numbers
Haven't watched the video yet, I don't play a lot of support, mostly Tank, but I find "play selfish" applies so much to tanks too, much like supports they almost all have abilities can be used selfishly or to enable teammates. take Zarya for example. A lot of times I want to be the nice guy and give my teammates bubbles, but so many times this has left me vulnerable and I die then we lose the fight because I either run out of bubbles or don't get any charge from the teammate. It really only makes sense to give teammates bubbles if they are making more space than you in the current moment, are 1hp (even this one is a huge maybe) or are actively pocketing you. Bubbling teammates while you're frontlining = usually instant death.
I feel like the reason why I see Lucio and Zen fun *and* less stressful overall is because they just allow me to do more than just healing my teammates and allows me to disrupt or make game changing plays without focusing on healing too much. Even though Ana, Bap, and Brig are strong supports, to me at least, they’re either more stressful or not as fun to play as Lucio and Zen and I think it’s because it allows for a little bit more of “selfish” and aggressive playstyle
The characters that u named as more stressful are better at being selfish becaus of there good cool downs and damage potential, zen gets killed to easily and Lucio is just bad
Lucio really isn't that different from Brig in terms of playstyle. You shouldn't be flying into the enemy team as Lucio, you should be with your team for the majority of the game, obviously, there are opportunities to get aggressive with lucio, but the same thing applies to Brig. You should be using the boop to disrupt enemy engages and create space between your backline and the enemies
What does she normally main? I’m kinda surprised they were able to reach low gm without the basic fundamentals of support. All good though you will make them top 500.
if a support doesn't heal me in crucial moments i'll just let them fend for themselves next time they get jumped. play selfishly eh? no peeling for you too
my toxic trait is that i flank when i get rally to kill that fucking junkrat that keeps tiring me specifically and running it through my shield so i cant block it
The key to support is finding the balance between maximizing your value while supporting the aggression of others- what hero do you find this playstyle to be most intuitive?
Easily kiriko, her playstyle is largely about taking off angles either with your dps and shooting stuff and healing simultaneously (weaving can be good) or even being the "flex dps" and applying off angle pressure to force enemies to look at one extra angle. We ignore the season 2 Winston Lucio kiri sojourn meta where kiri healbotting was quite meta
definitely kiriko
It has to be Kiriko or Bap since you lose almost nothing from weaving your shots and heals. Ana's also have a very easy time at doing damage with their high damage, no fall off, hitscan scopes. But because she has shared ammo many of them feel scared to practice it because they hate the idea of having someone die because you're reloading. However if you do damage and get a kill you won't need to heal as much. You can take out 30% of a squishies hp from across the map, no headshot required, that is big.
100% agree@@surg3i
Kirir easily
Last time I played selfish on support someone told me to stop watching awkward_ow and it still haunts me to this day
kinda true though- i've seen so many supports who try to copy him but they dont have good aim. So they're not healing OR doing damage. I can accept a zenyata who's popping off and killing everything, but i've seen so many moiras who couldnt do damage, or ana's who are out of position and keep dying over and over again. In that case, yeah, you should be healing more. I main tracer btw- so i really dont rely on healings from my team, im used to surviving alone.
remember awkward is top 500 that player is hardstuck
@@supern0is349wait so if you aren’t good enough to be the best then don’t even bother trying to do what they do and improve?
You can tell they don't pay awkward any mind because even on bad aim days he still dominates the game most of the time with the fundamentals he teaches.
@@Summonick2 who said that?i didnt mention "being the best" i mentioned being BARELY COMPETENT. U have QP to pratice, in ranked you should ALREADY BE A CERTAIN LEVEL of skill. You shouldnt be "TRYING" new things in ranked, you should be praticing what you're confortable with to make sure you can carry your own weight. If you cant hit your shots with ana then go for deathmatches, QP, arcade mode, aim trainers etc, so by the time you queue for ranked you can acctualy do it. If you CAN hit your shots and go for frags, ok good luck. But my critique is for noobs who think they can copy awkward without doing some of the most basic things- correctly.. Im not even talking about game sense, its primarily common sense. People who see a bastion in turret form and walk foward anyway shouldnt be trying to copy akwward
Appreciate the player letting us learn from her vod review!
i agree 100% of this, but its not a bad thing to help too, the thing is, support should help to kill more, not to heal bot the team, thats their real job
This is why I hate support combos consisting only of Mercy, Lifeweaver and Moira. No utility whatsoever, it makes it soooo much harder to win games.
@Peacecamper idk, I like killing as Lifeweaver lol. His thorn volley does really good damage, and I can still pump out strong heals. Same with his Ult. Throw it in the middle of a teamfight and shoot some bitches. And Moira should naturally be helping secure kills anyways. Her whole thing is healing and killing, a Moira that's healbotting is a had Moira, regardless of her healing numbers
@@PeacecamperI recently started pulling out the blaster pistol more. Helps my team melt people faster. I started climbing again.
Haven't watched the video yet, I don't play a lot of support, mostly Tank, but I find "play selfish" applies so much to tanks too, much like supports they almost all have abilities can be used selfishly or to enable teammates. take Zarya for example. A lot of times I want to be the nice guy and give my teammates bubbles, but so many times this has left me vulnerable and I die then we lose the fight because I either run out of bubbles or don't get any charge from the teammate. It really only makes sense to give teammates bubbles if they are making more space than you in the current moment, are 1hp (even this one is a huge maybe) or are actively pocketing you. Bubbling teammates while you're frontlining = usually instant death.
I see you stepped up the editing. Good job man.
1:01 any other smash peoples' ears perk up at the thought of Sonix getting OW2 coaching from Spilo
I feel like the reason why I see Lucio and Zen fun *and* less stressful overall is because they just allow me to do more than just healing my teammates and allows me to disrupt or make game changing plays without focusing on healing too much. Even though Ana, Bap, and Brig are strong supports, to me at least, they’re either more stressful or not as fun to play as Lucio and Zen and I think it’s because it allows for a little bit more of “selfish” and aggressive playstyle
The characters that u named as more stressful are better at being selfish becaus of there good cool downs and damage potential, zen gets killed to easily and Lucio is just bad
Lucio really isn't that different from Brig in terms of playstyle. You shouldn't be flying into the enemy team as Lucio, you should be with your team for the majority of the game, obviously, there are opportunities to get aggressive with lucio, but the same thing applies to Brig.
You should be using the boop to disrupt enemy engages and create space between your backline and the enemies
Wow, great editing and a cool thumbnail! Spilo stocks are up!
5:30 Really good advice. I would say for like 95% of people the thing that holds them back the most is on that list.
Dope editing 🔥
I love getting yelled at as Lucio for not healing enough.
Based, Lucio sucks
Maybe you should play a character that could heal them then?
lucio is fucking bad in ranked
@@TheSpartanlawthats not the issue, the hero is just bad in ranked, wrap your plat brain around the fact that healing is not everything
@@TheSpartanlawso we’re in silver
Not seen one of these yet,been really interesting
What does she normally main? I’m kinda surprised they were able to reach low gm without the basic fundamentals of support. All good though you will make them top 500.
She has some good mechanical fundamentals, and decent intuition for Ana fundamentals even when she can't fully explain why.
her ana fundamentals were mostly fine, just needed tweaking- she's mainly an aggro Kiriko main in GM
They were a kiriko main, which explains why they got so high
if a support doesn't heal me in crucial moments i'll just let them fend for themselves next time they get jumped. play selfishly eh? no peeling for you too
😂im getting so much value without even being the person getting coached
this is why i deserve no resources ong
wake me up when you do a pharah vod review
He doesnt like for some reason he thinks shes terrible, idk why he thinks that because shes ok
my toxic trait is that i flank when i get rally to kill that fucking junkrat that keeps tiring me specifically and running it through my shield so i cant block it
this is quite possibly the worst advice to give me.
wait, a girl??? SHEEEEEEEEESH
Never seen one?
@ShelloSongz yeah, the women update just dropped
@@MhnFive I cant 💀
@@frozenfury0 Dude, grow up, pick your nose, or wipe your ass with these lowkey sexist statements. It’s lame.
cringe@@MhnFive