The sad thing is the people that break all the rules don’t watch your channel so they will never learn, I agree 100% with everything u said happy camping!
As far as the noise is concerned, I 100% agree, but I live in an apartment building and the people there can't be quiet either. What boils down to is nobody gives a damn about anyone else but themselves
Trump showed us ALL how to do self-centered narcissistic behavior like no other President in history, and basically made it acceptable behavior amongst all of his millions of MAGA-cult followers.
I dont think these behaviours are limited to those of a particular political stripe...or even a particular country. Afterall, most of the examples we gave occurred in our home country - Canada.
We were at a campsite in the Saint Lawrence parks on the water with a great view. A fireworks show came on and we were not alone. Our site was full of strangers and not one asked if it was ok. I think if they would have asked we would have been fine with it as we did have a incredible view and it could have been a fun evening. Like your video & hope the newbees watch it. But it all comes down to how your brought up.
Really great points! We have experienced all of them at one time or another. We actually encountered a guy that went to the park office and told them he wouldn't be able to depart on time because of mechanical problems. After waiting for a long time, we went by the site only to find the guy returning from a trip to the beach! After informing the office that they had been scammed, they moved us to a better campsite. Not sure what, if anything, they did to the jerk that kept his (our!) spot until late afternoon. I agree with others here that the problem now is much worse than it used to be. Prior to COVID (in the US at least), campers were mostly of the same mindset and you rarely encountered rude behavior. Once the COVID induced RV craze took hold it seemed like we were surrounded by people that weren't really campers and just there as another party spot.
Thanks Michael…and thank you for sharing your experiences and insights. Its unbelievable what that guy pulled to keep you off your site! I agree that the “Covid induced RV craze” as you called it really cranked up the number of users at our parks and that has introduced additional stresses and strains on the infrastructure itself and on the actual users. 🤞that as more people gain experience some of those stresses will be reduced.
Its interesting. I am on several different camping groups for BC. When the topic of noisy campers comes up, it is rather shocking to read how many comments come from people who feel totally entitled to make as much noise as they want, for however long that they want. Their position seems to be "we can't make noise at home in our apartments/condos etc, so it is "our right" to cut loose, party and make as much noise as they want, when camping. They just totally don't get (or care) how much they disrupt the others at a campground. Sheesh!!!
Regarding trailer lights, we just saw a trailer at a KOA in Niagara Falls NY with very bright purple LED lights under the trailer, lit up 24/7. His amber/red clearance and brake lights were on too, 24/7. Lit up both campsites on either side of him too. When he departed on the Sunday, the purple lights stayed on for the drive home.
We tend not to stay in private campgrounds that often preferring, provincial, national or state CGs, but I would say that light 'displays' do seem more common and accepted there.
We camp that way also and last trip had a family of 4 pull in the site right next to us at 10:45 pm. Went out to ask them what they were doing and their response was""it's public land and its a beautiful spot so we're staying" They probably passed a hundred sites on the 12 miles of dirt road to get next to us! Unbelievable!
I also believe it’s the way you are raised, if you weren’t taught any manners then whether you are camping, shopping, vacationing etc…. You won’t change, but I hope these people do because when I’m camping I don’t put up with that crap, show respect n you get respect simple as that! Happy camping!
Great job on the list! I experienced #9 last year a Killbear, Beaver Dams. While my mother and I kept to mostly 1 end of the site, some other campers were using the other section to gain access to the beach.
Sorry to hear about that Patricia. People cutting through sites can be very frustrating - I do wish Ontario Parks did a bit more messaging on this issue in their newsletters and park guides.
Great Points!! Love, Love Love your channel. You both have great voices I could listen to all day. Love how you show the good, the Bad and the ugly. Will be heading in the future to visit some of these sites in Canada. I love how I get to see your country. Most channels only show the USA.
Great video and excellent points for many.....lets just hope they're watching because there are some seriously disrespectful campers out there! FYI, great point on the impact vs drill
I've been using ontario parks for fifty years and the examples you give are happening more and more. Of course the parks are busier but people are, in general, less considerate. We rarely camp in the summer months any more because of this. September and October are less busy.
My family was at a TENT campground a few years ago, and there was a couple who made ALOT of noise after the sun went down (adult time) and the left NOTHING to the imagination, at all! This went on (and on) for a couple hours! Please remember, even if you're in a camper or RV it is not like a house.
I would have been telling them to pipe down especially if there were kids in the campground. I hope people didn't just say nothing and instead waited for it to end
One of my pet peeves in Ontario Provincial Parks. Hanging empty firewood bags on the site pole or at the front of the site for “someone” to pick up. They do not get recycled, they are garbage throw them out.
All great points, with some more irritating than others. Dump station etiquette especially. Like others have stated, a lot of it depends upon how you were raised and how long you have been a camper. Most newbies feel they own the entire campground which results in the reason you mentioned almost all of your points.
Thanks for this! Too many inconsiderate people camping these days. Loud cruddy music, screaming kids, people walking through your campsite. So annoyingly common now!
Thanks Heidispurgeon. I must say, and this is purely anecdotal, we seem to be hearing a little less loud music in provincial parks - it may be because we seek out the radio-free areas or there's more monitoring by park wardens/rangers? Or perhaps we can thank the popularity of earbuds that let people listen to whatever they want as loud as they want without bothering anyone else???
We camped at Killbear over Thanksgiving weekend. The person camping on our site the night before we arrived didn’t leave the site until 2:20pm. I had to inform him of the checkout time and ask him to leave. Dog owners regularly used the main beaches as their personal off leash dog park and let their dogs piss and shit on the beach. One ignorant family let their dog freely roam the entire lookout trail. We all thought the dog was lost or the owner had been injured and released their dog to attract help. They got belligerent with us when we asked them to keep their dog on its leash. We try to avoid Ontario Parks campgrounds whenever we can.
Aside from the noise, you shouldn’t use an impact driver (or worse an impact wrench) on your stabilizer jacks because the impacting force will rattle the pivot points loose making your jacks are sloppy and not stable.
We also enjoy boondocking - had lots of opportunities in Northern BC, Yukon and Alaska - unfortunately we find few places in our home province of Ontario :(
All excellent tips, and essentially basic common sense and respect of others. However, it seems that especially lately in many campgrounds that common sense is not so common. Mind you the vast majority of fellow campers are wonderful folks and very respectful, but it takes only a few to ruin things for many. All we can do is keep passing the message and hope that a few of the minority do eventually get it, but some folks seem to be in their own little bubble and don't seem to care about others... Continued safe travels and happy camping.....
Thats an interesting strategy. I bet it makes packing up and hitting the road a lot less stressful. Weve kind of done something similar when we learned bad weather was predicted for the next morning when we were scheduled to depart. We did stop at the park office to let them know the site was then available just in case someone else could use it for the night. Thanks for sharing!
Most provincial parks in Ontario have campgrounds or areas that are designated ‘radio free’ - i.e. no amplified devices. Those are definitely the ones we gravitate to. Thanks for sharing your ideas Carol.
Those construction or open frame generators are crazy loud. We do sometimes carry a generator but its a small inverter type that is much quieter and less intrusive. We have seen many parks, including some of our provincial parks, introduce generator hours, which is great. Perhaps the next step will be to review the type of generator allowed?
Soceity just gets less formal and more " who cares ". When I was a young child, in the 60's, I travelled with my family every weekend on the train to visit GrandMother. My Father worked for the Canadian National Railway, so the whole family could travel anywhere in Canada for free ...it was called " dead heading". My Mother would dress me for the train ride ... black shoes, black socks, black dress pants, white shirt buttoned to the top, with a black tie on at all times. I was given a haircut every second or third weekend. At the age of 10, I was trained by my Mother exactly how to eat in the dining car, when to talk, when to not talk, excuse yourself from the table if you had to leave, etc. One day I was being noisey as the Conductor was going down the aisle checking everyone's tickets and my Mother said to me " Behave yourself, the Conductor is almost here" ... I said why should I worry about what the Conductor see Mother? .... she said ... " Because that Conductor is your Godfather" ... small world.
I get what you're saying about not flushing the tanks at the station when a line is there. However, most of us use our rigs once a month or so, and we get this one opportunity to clean the tanks to maintain our investments. Maybe a little grace for our efforts to maintain an investment into spending time with our families?
Completely understand - thats why we mentioned just not rinsing tanks for 15 minutes (over and over). Its one of those situations that you have to judge at the time. Thanks for your feedback!
To be fair the garbage you showed was PAPERthat possibly someone could use to start the next persons fire but no i can understand not leaving garbage or like you said dumping with no hose!OMG
More pet peeves... vehicle alarms that go off in the middle of the night. Inconsiderate people who are obsessed with constantly opening and closing doors of their vehicle. Cigarette butts scattered all around the campsite. These are just a few reasons I prefer boondocking.
You've reminded me that I want to try and disable the feature on our truck that turns on the headlights for 20 seconds when you unlock/open the doors. Thanks you!
I agree with you. How hard is it really to hand crank the jacks down? Just 10 or 20 seconds per jack, and thus a bit of exercise that most of us need anyway.
The sad thing is the people that break all the rules don’t watch your channel so they will never learn, I agree 100% with everything u said happy camping!
Thank you...and happy camping to you as well!
As far as the noise is concerned, I 100% agree, but I live in an apartment building and the people there can't be quiet either. What boils down to is nobody gives a damn about anyone else but themselves
Trump showed us ALL how to do self-centered narcissistic behavior like no other President in history, and basically made it acceptable behavior amongst all of his millions of MAGA-cult followers.
I dont think these behaviours are limited to those of a particular political stripe...or even a particular country. Afterall, most of the examples we gave occurred in our home country - Canada.
We were at a campsite in the Saint Lawrence parks on the water with a great view. A fireworks show came on and we were not alone. Our site was full of strangers and not one asked if it was ok. I think if they would have asked we would have been fine with it as we did have a incredible view and it could have been a fun evening. Like your video & hope the newbees watch it. But it all comes down to how your brought up.
Really great points! We have experienced all of them at one time or another. We actually encountered a guy that went to the park office and told them he wouldn't be able to depart on time because of mechanical problems. After waiting for a long time, we went by the site only to find the guy returning from a trip to the beach! After informing the office that they had been scammed, they moved us to a better campsite. Not sure what, if anything, they did to the jerk that kept his (our!) spot until late afternoon. I agree with others here that the problem now is much worse than it used to be. Prior to COVID (in the US at least), campers were mostly of the same mindset and you rarely encountered rude behavior. Once the COVID induced RV craze took hold it seemed like we were surrounded by people that weren't really campers and just there as another party spot.
Thanks Michael…and thank you for sharing your experiences and insights. Its unbelievable what that guy pulled to keep you off your site! I agree that the “Covid induced RV craze” as you called it really cranked up the number of users at our parks and that has introduced additional stresses and strains on the infrastructure itself and on the actual users. 🤞that as more people gain experience some of those stresses will be reduced.
Its interesting. I am on several different camping groups for BC. When the topic of noisy campers comes up, it is rather shocking to read how many comments come from people who feel totally entitled to make as much noise as they want, for however long that they want. Their position seems to be "we can't make noise at home in our apartments/condos etc, so it is "our right" to cut loose, party and make as much noise as they want, when camping. They just totally don't get (or care) how much they disrupt the others at a campground. Sheesh!!!
100% agree with the impact gun noise. I don’t currently own, or will o ever own an impact gun to use on our travel trailer.
Regarding trailer lights, we just saw a trailer at a KOA in Niagara Falls NY with very bright purple LED lights under the trailer, lit up 24/7. His amber/red clearance and brake lights were on too, 24/7. Lit up both campsites on either side of him too. When he departed on the Sunday, the purple lights stayed on for the drive home.
My neighbors light pollute too.
We tend not to stay in private campgrounds that often preferring, provincial, national or state CGs, but I would say that light 'displays' do seem more common and accepted there.
This is great
Also why I prefer to camp away from everyone
Secluded in the woods
Thank you - and we can certainly appreciate your sentiment.
We camp that way also and last trip had a family of 4 pull in the site right next to us at 10:45 pm.
Went out to ask them what they were doing and their response was""it's public land and its a beautiful spot so we're staying"
They probably passed a hundred sites on the 12 miles of dirt road to get next to us!
Unbelievable!
I also believe it’s the way you are raised, if you weren’t taught any manners then whether you are camping, shopping, vacationing etc…. You won’t change, but I hope these people do because when I’m camping I don’t put up with that crap, show respect n you get respect simple as that! Happy camping!
Great job on the list! I experienced #9 last year a Killbear, Beaver Dams. While my mother and I kept to mostly 1 end of the site, some other campers were using the other section to gain access to the beach.
Sorry to hear about that Patricia. People cutting through sites can be very frustrating - I do wish Ontario Parks did a bit more messaging on this issue in their newsletters and park guides.
Great Points!! Love, Love Love your channel. You both have great voices I could listen to all day. Love how you show the good, the Bad and the ugly. Will be heading in the future to visit some of these sites in Canada. I love how I get to see your country. Most channels only show the USA.
Thanks so much Andrea, that is very kind! And we're genuinely glad you're enjoying the content!
Most Canadian video ever :) Thank you both, this was actually very helpful.
Thanks so much Michael. We're glad you enjoyed it!
Great video and excellent points for many.....lets just hope they're watching because there are some seriously disrespectful campers out there! FYI, great point on the impact vs drill
Thanks ver much! And Im definitely sharing your comment about the impact driver with Cindy😉
I've been using ontario parks for fifty years and the examples you give are happening more and more. Of course the parks are busier but people are, in general, less considerate. We rarely camp in the summer months any more because of this. September and October are less busy.
We also really enjoy shoulder-season camping!
My family was at a TENT campground a few years ago, and there was a couple who made ALOT of noise after the sun went down (adult time) and the left NOTHING to the imagination, at all! This went on (and on) for a couple hours! Please remember, even if you're in a camper or RV it is not like a house.
Wow. Good reminder - thanks for sharing.
I would have been telling them to pipe down especially if there were kids in the campground. I hope people didn't just say nothing and instead waited for it to end
One of my pet peeves in Ontario Provincial Parks. Hanging empty firewood bags on the site pole or at the front of the site for “someone” to pick up. They do not get recycled, they are garbage throw them out.
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Very well articulated, from a common sense couple. Well done.
Thank you David, that's appreciated.
All great points, with some more irritating than others. Dump station etiquette especially.
Like others have stated, a lot of it depends upon how you were raised and how long you have been a camper. Most newbies feel they own the entire campground which results in the reason you mentioned almost all of your points.
Thanks for this! Too many inconsiderate people camping these days. Loud cruddy music, screaming kids, people walking through your campsite. So annoyingly common now!
Thanks Heidispurgeon. I must say, and this is purely anecdotal, we seem to be hearing a little less loud music in provincial parks - it may be because we seek out the radio-free areas or there's more monitoring by park wardens/rangers? Or perhaps we can thank the popularity of earbuds that let people listen to whatever they want as loud as they want without bothering anyone else???
Could be because of rising homelessness. Not everyone is simply on holiday in these campgrounds
We camped at Killbear over Thanksgiving weekend.
The person camping on our site the night before we arrived didn’t leave the site until 2:20pm. I had to inform him of the checkout time and ask him to leave.
Dog owners regularly used the main beaches as their personal off leash dog park and let their dogs piss and shit on the beach.
One ignorant family let their dog freely roam the entire lookout trail. We all thought the dog was lost or the owner had been injured and released their dog to attract help. They got belligerent with us when we asked them to keep their dog on its leash.
We try to avoid Ontario Parks campgrounds whenever we can.
Killbear is such an incredible park…I hope these inconsiderate acts by our fellow campers doesn’t keep you from enjoying the park in the future.
Aside from the noise, you shouldn’t use an impact driver (or worse an impact wrench) on your stabilizer jacks because the impacting force will rattle the pivot points loose making your jacks are sloppy and not stable.
I’m sold! No campgrounds for me. I’ll boondocking!
We also enjoy boondocking - had lots of opportunities in Northern BC, Yukon and Alaska - unfortunately we find few places in our home province of Ontario :(
All excellent tips, and essentially basic common sense and respect of others. However, it seems that especially lately in many campgrounds that common sense is not so common. Mind you the vast majority of fellow campers are wonderful folks and very respectful, but it takes only a few to ruin things for many. All we can do is keep passing the message and hope that a few of the minority do eventually get it, but some folks seem to be in their own little bubble and don't seem to care about others... Continued safe travels and happy camping.....
Well put Shawn. Thank you.
Seems like people just suck, and going camping to "get away from it all" only lets you be surrounded by different people who suck.
I generally pay for an extra night, so I don't need to worry about leaving on time earlier that day....
Thats an interesting strategy. I bet it makes packing up and hitting the road a lot less stressful. Weve kind of done something similar when we learned bad weather was predicted for the next morning when we were scheduled to depart. We did stop at the park office to let them know the site was then available just in case someone else could use it for the night. Thanks for sharing!
They should have campgrounds for tents only and camp areas for rv's only..and boom boxes banned.
Most provincial parks in Ontario have campgrounds or areas that are designated ‘radio free’ - i.e. no amplified devices. Those are definitely the ones we gravitate to. Thanks for sharing your ideas Carol.
We have the problem of people using loud generators, I call them Construction generators
Those construction or open frame generators are crazy loud. We do sometimes carry a generator but its a small inverter type that is much quieter and less intrusive. We have seen many parks, including some of our provincial parks, introduce generator hours, which is great. Perhaps the next step will be to review the type of generator allowed?
Soceity just gets less formal and more " who cares ". When I was a young child, in the 60's, I travelled with my family every weekend on the train to visit GrandMother. My Father worked for the Canadian National Railway, so the whole family could travel anywhere in Canada for free ...it was called " dead heading".
My Mother would dress me for the train ride ... black shoes, black socks, black dress pants, white shirt buttoned to the top, with a black tie on at all times. I was given a haircut every second or third weekend.
At the age of 10, I was trained by my Mother exactly how to eat in the dining car, when to talk, when to not talk, excuse yourself from the table if you had to leave, etc.
One day I was being noisey as the Conductor was going down the aisle checking everyone's tickets and my Mother said to me " Behave yourself, the Conductor is almost here" ... I said why should I worry about what the Conductor see Mother? .... she said ... " Because that Conductor is your Godfather" ... small world.
Great story….thank you for sharing!
I get what you're saying about not flushing the tanks at the station when a line is there. However, most of us use our rigs once a month or so, and we get this one opportunity to clean the tanks to maintain our investments. Maybe a little grace for our efforts to maintain an investment into spending time with our families?
Completely understand - thats why we mentioned just not rinsing tanks for 15 minutes (over and over). Its one of those situations that you have to judge at the time. Thanks for your feedback!
I know you mentioned "common sense", but unfortunately, like common courtesy, no longer is common, and has gone the way of the Passenger Pigeon.
Smaller rig crown land camping omg peace and quiet
👍👍 for peace and quiet!
To be fair the garbage you showed was PAPERthat possibly someone could use to start the next persons fire but no i can understand not leaving garbage or like you said dumping with no hose!OMG
Dump stations are like boat ramps. Too many stupid people with no common sense.
More pet peeves... vehicle alarms that go off in the middle of the night. Inconsiderate people who are obsessed with constantly opening and closing doors of their vehicle. Cigarette butts scattered all around the campsite. These are just a few reasons I prefer boondocking.
You've reminded me that I want to try and disable the feature on our truck that turns on the headlights for 20 seconds when you unlock/open the doors. Thanks you!
100% agree with the impact gun noise. I don’t currently own, or will o ever own an impact gun to use on our travel trailer.
I agree with you. How hard is it really to hand crank the jacks down? Just 10 or 20 seconds per jack, and thus a bit of exercise that most of us need anyway.