i think this bike looks great. tbf all the standert bikes look awesome. Seeing that its not always necessary to have the lightest bike out of carbon is a great feeling. my two bikes are out of alluminium rose_bikes 8,5-9kg and a vintage bianchi with steel tubing 10kg. And this video makes me feel even more happy about my 2 bikes. because they are just so simple and all i really need.
Been riding this bike for a couple years now (previous iteration with less mounts and no internal routing) and I'm very happy with it. It's truly a jack of all trades, master of none kind of frame, which makes it perfect for an average Joe like me. Yes, it's heavier and slower than my carbon bike, but I notice that I'm reaching for it more often, because it's just so damn comfortable and fun to ride. Standert even lets you pick the tires - 34mm Vittoria (as in the review) or 36mm challenge Strada Bianca and if you set them up tubeless it's a joy to ride.
I find that it corresponds more to the definition of a durable bike, with a high-end metal, actual, robust, much less polluting than carbon, it is overall efficient, but it is above all a bike with which one can accomplish much more than riding fast. I associate it more with a life companion. I took this brand, but I think that for a Mason, a crust bike we could say the same thing. My reflection comes mainly from the fact that it is said that it is expensive compared to a carbon, a crux…. but a bike like that will last a very long time when you think about it, it is a better investment in the long term. with Standert, we are no longer obliged to have an “old school” steel bike when we want steel, we can have a high-performance and beautiful steel bike. Thx Standert
It's a nice looking bike, but what I don't understand really is that they integrated basically all cables, but there aren't any ports in the frame or fork for integrated cable routing for dynamo lighting, which in my opinion is sort of a miss if you market this bike for allroad/long distance riding...
Don’t choose the Challenge Strada Bianca Tyres they offer in their built options unless you ride in dry conditions only. They are incredibly fast and supple but have unpredictable grip in cornering. When it is wet they are downright scary to ride when going around coners.
@jooohan-i9o I don't have to. There's no way I'd buy a metal bike with an integrated front end. The Mason would be my next pick, as like the Strael it would be easy to maintain and fulfils the brief of being a durable 4 season road bike. At Standert prices I could go full custom steel and have it just how I like.
@jooohan-i9o Secan is a gravel bike that will do road, and according to reviews, it does it well. Strael is probably best for road, given its geometry, although the room for wider tyres means it can handle the rubbish roads here in the UK
@@Quizmate1 I think Standert does an OK price on their Triebwerk, but that's an end-of-season sale (around 1600 for disc, 1300 for rim, but that last one features a Chris King headset so really not too bad for that price). I also think you can't really get many full custom steel bikes for less than 2000 these days. But I agree the new Pfadfinder (and also their alloy frames at around 2000 or higher...!) are way overpriced. They obviously try to add a 'Berlin-based' premium to the already hefty price, but honestly they should do this frame for around 1500 and nothing more. The thing is that they may have enough customers who are willing to pay these prices, so I can't blame them if they get them sold...!
The Standert has the biggest tyre clearance of the three bikes. The Mason is a slower steering bike than the Standert in my experience. Both the Mason and Standert are made in Europe if that means anything to you as well. And of course the Standert is the only bike with internal routing
Hey so every bike is essentially the same as far as geometry these days ... a degree or 2 here a few millimeters there ... but what separates bikes is the materials, feature details, the paint and the story you can tell about the product (marketing). As far as the feature details on this one, I like the tire clearance and the internal cable routing. I like the paint. The marketing is clearly top notch. I LOVE the material choice (Columbus Spirit). Ticks a lot of boxes for $2.1k usd. The only other frames in this category you can buy off the shelf that I know of are Ritchey, Fairlight, or Mason. None of those feature the styling or the internal cable routing. I think the frame price is similar as well.
9.5kg for that is crazy heavy. My custom steel gravel bike with a full blown gravel fork with mounts, with 3 bottle cages a front rack and full coverage mudguards plus mudflaps is 10.1kg. And it cost me probably around half of what this thing goes for.
I think the dumbest thing bike makers did was internal routing cables. If you’re not a professional bike rider all it does is make repairs difficult and time consuming.
Frame itself is only 2300. That is pretty good for bike. With that said, for that same money you can get a Daccordi steel frame (similar tubing) with geometry you want with your choice of paint.
So many contradictions in one product - A comfort focused all-rounder all-road bike with an integrated headset to make it easier to mount handlebar bags that for some reason but not for touring; needs high-end wheels and groupset but is not for racing, at a cost of €4.5 and beyond. A living peddling contradiction - the designers let the joke slip in the name itself: FAD-finder
The question is, is there anything else on the market checking all the same boxes as this bike in terms of build? Believe it or not, the spec and concept behind this bike is nearing dream bike for me. To me, it looks like the ultimate training bike that can get out 365, while still maintaining a wicked pace. Being fitted on this, then to sit on an aggressive race bike likely won't feel so foreign. I'm happy to see companies bridge the gap
Then it’s fairly clear that this bike isn’t for you. I’m always confused when cyclist get spun up over some brands efforts to sell bikes and stay in business. It’s no different than any other industry.
I don’t get people get mad because of the price. A bike made in europe is always more expensive than asia and if you buy steel in europe it aint cheap either. Steel is super for flex. I think 5800 is a good price.
Just mean how there are new designs and colours every year - there'll be a Tarmac SL9 out to replace the SL8 at some point in the future making the SL8 look old, that sort of thing. Like when a new iPhone or Audi A4 for example
The likely reason your nose is running like a tap when it's cold could be because of rhinitis. I have that, it's the sole reason I DO NOT enjoy riding in the cold. Basically I need to stop and wipe my nose every 5 freaking minutes. And if course there's the problem with storing/accessing the wipes, throwing them in a garbage bin or putting them somewhere in my backpack where they won't make a mess being moist and disgusting. 😊
Yup, chronic rhinitis I was informed by a doctor when I was a lad. Right pain it is. As for dealing with it when riding, I just angle my head to one side and clear my nose in one go - making sure there's nobody behind me haha! Have you tried that, easier than stopping
@davidarthur I honestly haven't, but it feels too liquid-y I think. It's not like my nose is completely blocked, air can still pass, so blowing through the nose probably won't do much. I'm also worried it can get on my chin, neck, clothes which also isn't ideal. 😄
Love your videos, David but this one felt more like a love letter than a review. The lack of 40mm tyre clearance is a proper oversight but let's talk about the real elephant in the room-the price. €2300 for a steel frame and a full build starting at €4900 with alloy wheels and 105Di2? Seriously? At that price point, you could be riding a quality carbon bike with 105 Di2 and carbon wheels like Giant Defy Advanced 0 - which also offers a lifetime warranty. Steel has great potential but brands like Standert seem to be pricing themselves out of contention. If they charge carbon bike money for metal, they're hardly setting themselves up for long-term success. Here's hoping the metal bike brands wake up-this could be their moment for disruption and a great comeback.
This is where we lack critical information about steel bikes and their source. Different steel tubes used for steel bikes are priced differently. If standert and their range of bikes were to be constructed by the cheapest grade of steel tubes, the price could have easily been halved. If you have a bone to pick, if you think price of steel bikes are insanely overpriced, then you should start with steel tubes company such as Reynolds, Columbus, True Tempei, Kaisei. Now that you're at their throats, might as well go after artisanal bike builders who used the same steel tubes but priced their bikes 2x as much or more than Standert. Pretty sure they too need to "wake up" as well.
@@Kelvin_c Yes, steel tubes vary in price, but the point still stands-charging €5K for a steel bike with alloy wheels is a stretch, no matter what tubing you use. If you're going to defend the price, don’t forget that many artisan builders, though pricier, often provide custom builds and craftsmanship that justify their costs. Standert, on the other hand, isn’t exactly in that league. Let's not act like the tube manufacturer is the sole culprit here; pricing strategy plays a huge part.
@@kesavek11 ah, the classic "European prices" excuse. Sure, labour and materials cost more, but €5K for a mid-range steel bike with alloy wheels? Really? Taiwan is not far from CZ in terms of cost. There's room for a more sensible price.
Standert has some really cool bikes.
Nice colors and in steel and aluminium.
Definitely some I will consider for my next bike.
I live in Colorado Springs and rode my Kona Rove yesterday (11/30/24) in the Black Forest with a lot of snow still everywhere… freezing 🥶
i think this bike looks great. tbf all the standert bikes look awesome. Seeing that its not always necessary to have the lightest bike out of carbon is a great feeling. my two bikes are out of alluminium rose_bikes 8,5-9kg and a vintage bianchi with steel tubing 10kg. And this video makes me feel even more happy about my 2 bikes. because they are just so simple and all i really need.
Been riding this bike for a couple years now (previous iteration with less mounts and no internal routing) and I'm very happy with it. It's truly a jack of all trades, master of none kind of frame, which makes it perfect for an average Joe like me. Yes, it's heavier and slower than my carbon bike, but I notice that I'm reaching for it more often, because it's just so damn comfortable and fun to ride. Standert even lets you pick the tires - 34mm Vittoria (as in the review) or 36mm challenge Strada Bianca and if you set them up tubeless it's a joy to ride.
Looks lovely!
Would certainly be considering this if i didn't have my perfect all season bike already!
Looks very nice.. Columbus spirit rides lovely I have it on my Condor Acciaio 😊 ❤ Pete 🚴🏻👍
What about your favorite Fairlight Secan ? This feels like a commercial Dave.
I got mine (1200€ discount frame) built by myslef, very good bike, love it, this bike is for someone who really love bike and his phylophy
I find that it corresponds more to the definition of a durable bike, with a high-end metal, actual, robust, much less polluting than carbon, it is overall efficient, but it is above all a bike with which one can accomplish much more than riding fast. I associate it more with a life companion. I took this brand, but I think that for a Mason, a crust bike we could say the same thing. My reflection comes mainly from the fact that it is said that it is expensive compared to a carbon, a crux…. but a bike like that will last a very long time when you think about it, it is a better investment in the long term. with Standert, we are no longer obliged to have an “old school” steel bike when we want steel, we can have a high-performance and beautiful steel bike. Thx Standert
I love my Standert. I got a great deal on
mine almost a year ago. It’s seems Standert. has become so much more popular in a short time
Steel is Real…Gorgeous bike..not sure why so many negative people here in the comments
People like to have a moan don't they ;)
Fantastic review!
Hi David
Very informative video content as always 👍 and well worth watching if you’re looking for a steel all rounder 🙂🚴♂️
Hey that’s my bike 😍
It's a nice looking bike, but what I don't understand really is that they integrated basically all cables, but there aren't any ports in the frame or fork for integrated cable routing for dynamo lighting, which in my opinion is sort of a miss if you market this bike for allroad/long distance riding...
Don’t choose the Challenge Strada Bianca Tyres they offer in their built options unless you ride in dry conditions only. They are incredibly fast and supple but have unpredictable grip in cornering. When it is wet they are downright scary to ride when going around coners.
how would you rank these 3?
mason resolution
standert pfadfinder
fairlight strael
Strael v3 for me 👍
@jooohan-i9o I don't have to. There's no way I'd buy a metal bike with an integrated front end. The Mason would be my next pick, as like the Strael it would be easy to maintain and fulfils the brief of being a durable 4 season road bike. At Standert prices I could go full custom steel and have it just how I like.
@jooohan-i9o Secan is a gravel bike that will do road, and according to reviews, it does it well. Strael is probably best for road, given its geometry, although the room for wider tyres means it can handle the rubbish roads here in the UK
@@Quizmate1 I think Standert does an OK price on their Triebwerk, but that's an end-of-season sale (around 1600 for disc, 1300 for rim, but that last one features a Chris King headset so really not too bad for that price). I also think you can't really get many full custom steel bikes for less than 2000 these days. But I agree the new Pfadfinder (and also their alloy frames at around 2000 or higher...!) are way overpriced. They obviously try to add a 'Berlin-based' premium to the already hefty price, but honestly they should do this frame for around 1500 and nothing more. The thing is that they may have enough customers who are willing to pay these prices, so I can't blame them if they get them sold...!
The Standert has the biggest tyre clearance of the three bikes. The Mason is a slower steering bike than the Standert in my experience. Both the Mason and Standert are made in Europe if that means anything to you as well. And of course the Standert is the only bike with internal routing
It's a stunner.
Standert makes really nice stuff!
Ticks all my boxes for a year round allroad bike with the right looks.
Terrible echo on the audio. Beautiful bike, but don't think the square stem goes with the round tubes.
standert is a marketing company - crazy how they even sell these things...
I don’t disagree but throw out the name of your bike, any bike, and it’s the same story.
The bikes are premium, what are you on about 😂
Hey so every bike is essentially the same as far as geometry these days ... a degree or 2 here a few millimeters there ... but what separates bikes is the materials, feature details, the paint and the story you can tell about the product (marketing). As far as the feature details on this one, I like the tire clearance and the internal cable routing. I like the paint. The marketing is clearly top notch. I LOVE the material choice (Columbus Spirit). Ticks a lot of boxes for $2.1k usd. The only other frames in this category you can buy off the shelf that I know of are Ritchey, Fairlight, or Mason. None of those feature the styling or the internal cable routing. I think the frame price is similar as well.
9.5kg for that is crazy heavy. My custom steel gravel bike with a full blown gravel fork with mounts, with 3 bottle cages a front rack and full coverage mudguards plus mudflaps is 10.1kg. And it cost me probably around half of what this thing goes for.
I think the dumbest thing bike makers did was internal routing cables. If you’re not a professional bike rider all it does is make repairs difficult and time consuming.
the fact that people don't seem to understand this is beyond me.
hello I come from the bicycle industry, sorry we only introduced the internally routed cables to keep drivers with low mechanic skills away, it worked
That Deda Superbox system is so ugly looking on round tubed bikes.
Crazy world... Near 5000 for a steel bike...
It's not so crazy once you understand the grades of steel that are available. Not all steel tubes for bikes are created equal.
People happily pay 50000 for a car. I buy my car for 40000 and my bike for 5000 and still have 5000 for a nice bike vacation.
Frame itself is only 2300. That is pretty good for bike. With that said, for that same money you can get a Daccordi steel frame (similar tubing) with geometry you want with your choice of paint.
So a 5K carbon frame made with ethically questionable labour isn’t crazy? 🤦🏽♂️
Impressively expensive for steel frame.
Dumb (or maybe just odd) question, what kind of pants are those? Nice fit! Patagonia?
that set of wheels. What the hell? Scope! check out the price tag!
nothing like classic geo + round tubes paired with a chunky head tube + brick shaped stem/headset...
So many contradictions in one product - A comfort focused all-rounder all-road bike with an integrated headset to make it easier to mount handlebar bags that for some reason but not for touring; needs high-end wheels and groupset but is not for racing, at a cost of €4.5 and beyond. A living peddling contradiction - the designers let the joke slip in the name itself: FAD-finder
The question is, is there anything else on the market checking all the same boxes as this bike in terms of build? Believe it or not, the spec and concept behind this bike is nearing dream bike for me. To me, it looks like the ultimate training bike that can get out 365, while still maintaining a wicked pace. Being fitted on this, then to sit on an aggressive race bike likely won't feel so foreign. I'm happy to see companies bridge the gap
@marcolgyrubish9498 if I were looking for that proverbial dream bike - I'd go custom, not retail.
Then it’s fairly clear that this bike isn’t for you. I’m always confused when cyclist get spun up over some brands efforts to sell bikes and stay in business. It’s no different than any other industry.
It's a niche bike but marketed at the masses @@LifeCycle1978
@@tongotongo3143 doesnt sound like youre in the market for a bike :/
Is this 56 or 58 Size in the Video?
56
@ And the legs from the driver an the Seat high ?
@@Co820 saddle height is 75.5cm
I don’t get people get mad because of the price. A bike made in europe is always more expensive than asia and if you buy steel in europe it aint cheap either. Steel is super for flex. I think 5800 is a good price.
Lmfao you better get the fit spot on with that headset.
The problem with Standert is how much they ask for the product it is. Also the geometry has nothing to do with a 'big miles bike'
Is that rust on the drop-out?!?!!
looks like copper paste.
They are stainless steel dropouts
How is it more expensive than a Specialized Crux with same spec??? 🤯
Built in Europe, not China?
Yaasss super Nice
My beautifully crafted titanium bike frame is £100 cheaper???
'Old man titanium'
I prefer my Strael 3.0...
"Carbon road bikes go out of date every year"... what on earth are you talking about Dave?
Just mean how there are new designs and colours every year - there'll be a Tarmac SL9 out to replace the SL8 at some point in the future making the SL8 look old, that sort of thing. Like when a new iPhone or Audi A4 for example
I don’t know David that’s a lot a lot of money for a steel bike. A tcr is cheaper let alone a Mason.
That aint a 'level top tube'.
Nor are all the tubes completely round, but I get @davidarthur point. It's a pretty classic profile.
Cables or hoses running through the headtube have no place on a metal bike!
Mason Cycles does it better….
The likely reason your nose is running like a tap when it's cold could be because of rhinitis. I have that, it's the sole reason I DO NOT enjoy riding in the cold. Basically I need to stop and wipe my nose every 5 freaking minutes. And if course there's the problem with storing/accessing the wipes, throwing them in a garbage bin or putting them somewhere in my backpack where they won't make a mess being moist and disgusting. 😊
Yup, chronic rhinitis I was informed by a doctor when I was a lad. Right pain it is. As for dealing with it when riding, I just angle my head to one side and clear my nose in one go - making sure there's nobody behind me haha! Have you tried that, easier than stopping
@davidarthur I honestly haven't, but it feels too liquid-y I think. It's not like my nose is completely blocked, air can still pass, so blowing through the nose probably won't do much. I'm also worried it can get on my chin, neck, clothes which also isn't ideal. 😄
Better than a Mason or Fairlight❓
Not a chance
I doubt it. They're proper 4 season steel road bikes, with no proprietary parts or daft cable / hose routing.
@jooohan-i9o you forgot the daft cable routing.......kinda makes it proprietary 🤔
@jooohan-i9o it's important to me though!
Similar and different rather than better I'd say
I'm going custom AliExpress titanium build for under $ 3600 USD for complete 🤯
At this price range I'd go titanium.
You have to be insane to buy this crap over a Fairlight
Love your videos, David but this one felt more like a love letter than a review. The lack of 40mm tyre clearance is a proper oversight but let's talk about the real elephant in the room-the price. €2300 for a steel frame and a full build starting at €4900 with alloy wheels and 105Di2? Seriously? At that price point, you could be riding a quality carbon bike with 105 Di2 and carbon wheels like Giant Defy Advanced 0 - which also offers a lifetime warranty.
Steel has great potential but brands like Standert seem to be pricing themselves out of contention. If they charge carbon bike money for metal, they're hardly setting themselves up for long-term success. Here's hoping the metal bike brands wake up-this could be their moment for disruption and a great comeback.
This is where we lack critical information about steel bikes and their source. Different steel tubes used for steel bikes are priced differently. If standert and their range of bikes were to be constructed by the cheapest grade of steel tubes, the price could have easily been halved. If you have a bone to pick, if you think price of steel bikes are insanely overpriced, then you should start with steel tubes company such as Reynolds, Columbus, True Tempei, Kaisei.
Now that you're at their throats, might as well go after artisanal bike builders who used the same steel tubes but priced their bikes 2x as much or more than Standert. Pretty sure they too need to "wake up" as well.
Made a Columbus steel frame in EU including paint and let me know on what price you end up 😉
@@Kelvin_c Yes, steel tubes vary in price, but the point still stands-charging €5K for a steel bike with alloy wheels is a stretch, no matter what tubing you use. If you're going to defend the price, don’t forget that many artisan builders, though pricier, often provide custom builds and craftsmanship that justify their costs. Standert, on the other hand, isn’t exactly in that league. Let's not act like the tube manufacturer is the sole culprit here; pricing strategy plays a huge part.
@@kesavek11 ah, the classic "European prices" excuse. Sure, labour and materials cost more, but €5K for a mid-range steel bike with alloy wheels? Really? Taiwan is not far from CZ in terms of cost. There's room for a more sensible price.
@@danishahmadkhan fair enough. I don’t agree but that’s how TH-cam comments go. We’ll never come to an agreement 😊
Welcome to rip off the wealthy customers
too expensive!
For you? Or do you mean the manufaturer take to much in profit?
insanely overpriced for a metal bike....
and another ugly designe bike what i don´t like