ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- One of my take offs during the X-Pyr 2022 race. We've arrived at the take off in late afternoon, with a forecast of strong and gusty wind. We measured 6-7m/s in between the cycles and much more in gusts.
We knew that it's going to be a risky flight as the wind was even stronger higher up, but the alternative wasn't appealing and I decided to give it a try. Was that a good decision? Tactically yes. Was it worth it? Definitely. Would I do it again? Time will show.
_______________
In this channel you'll regularly find new guides to exciting paragliding destinations as well as videos of other extreme sports - freeride skiing, climbing and more! Make sure to subscribe to stay up to date!
#paragliding #guide #extremesports #flying #crosscountry #xc #newdestinations #mountains #climbing #skiing
Awesome skills man! The takeoff itself didn't seem too terrifying, but that turbulence + not moving forward straight after didn't look fun
No skills - just dumb.
Such pilots are the reason that our sport gets bad reputations.
@@uberdenwolken4564 so you're saying that H&F competitions like X-Alps or X-Pyr, which are the reason why many people learn about and get into paragliding, is the reason our sport gets bad reputation? Arguable :)
Excellent, respect to the pilot!
In my hang gliding years I set a wind limit of 25 MPH. Well... unless I was really horny to fly, then a few bumps up to 30 was OK.
Wind speed is very high, maybe within what I would consider flyable. But the turbulences look crazy dangerous and would have made me regret my decisions.... lol
great job 👍,it's extreme high wind wow
Respect.
O proszę, Mazby lunch ( ;
nie jestem pewny czy slusznie ten czlowiek przywlaszczyl sobie ta nazwe, pomijajac juz watpliwa teorie, ktore wogol niego wytworzyl, ale niech bedzie :P
@@kocot. "Prawdziwa" alpejka :D
👍
Underrated channel 👏
thanks!
Super special 😇🤪
Wow! 👏👏👏
I bet he enjoy every moment.
These are very normal wind speeds for my usual soaring site at the Dutch coast. But I don't have to deal with this amount of turbulence there. Hope it got a little easier higher up.
well, more turbulences, more wind :) kind of more pleasant, but still restricted options. My vario calculation was 11m/s
Inlands a different game homie
Almost got blown over the back! Looked like you were barely making headway, but it's hard to tell. Definitely sketchy looking from the cameras point of view.
00:10 I in your Shoes would have started cursing my decisions right about there ... but looks like it turned out fine for you. As a Pilot once told me:
Every Pilot has his own Skilllevel - one Pilot can't launch anymore in certain weather conditions when other Pilots can still fly safely. So - I think your skilllevel is just much higher than the one of average Pilots.
it applies to both skills and comfort, sometimes we're in situations that we know we can handle, but still would prefer to avoid them if possible :) In H&F comps you accept more of that discomfort usually. I'm not proud of all my decisions, but I'm also happy to never had an accident while flying, nor throwing a reserve, nor landing in trees, etc There is a still a lot of time when I simply decide not to fly, I guess this is the most important skill.
@@kocot. Exactly! I've flown in some serious shit, but much prefer lovely, fun conditions 🙂😜
“If in doubt, don’t.”
@@Papa-gr2zi he appears to be fully in control and happy with conditions - hence the power slide take off past the filming friend 😎😜
Wow!
It is normal for dynamic flying :-)
what do you mean by dynamic flying? soaring?
Impressive skills but flying in those conditions isn't what I'd call fun!
you don't always get what you like to do in H&F competitions :) But when you look back the whole process is very satisfying!
Dziwne. Nie ma tu komentarza Mazbiego 😂
nie prowokuj nawet 🤣
I admire you, amazing performance, the feeling is probably not ordinary. I dream of flying like you. What wing do you have? I trained in a small aviation club. First delta, then paragliding. But then I became interested in motocross. For life reasons, I gave up flying for more than 10 years, but I dream of returning.
Thanks! A lot has changed in the past 10 years, in a way the sport got easier and options are wider :) this is a PHI Scala X-Alps.
is there someone else to help secure the glider before takeoff or is it all done like you were alone?
My supporter was there, but he was busy recording the video. First things first :-D But to be fair, unless you want to do Cobra, it's not necessary. Holding B's was enough.
@@kocot. holding b’s is that just for strong wind launches? Would rear risers not be sufficient? I’m a newbie
@@AMJB100000000 the thing about 2-liners is that they have only 2 risers, As and Bs, hence Bs are the rear ones :)
Kurcze...nie ma Cie w tegorocznej edycji X-Pyr? ...to kto nam teraz dostaczy takich mega perelek startowych??
hah, no niestety, chwilowo jestem na emeryturze sportowej, ale juz dzisiaj widzialem ze troche walki z wiatrem bylo i tez do samej relacji sie troche bardziej przykladaja, wiec moze bedzie co ogladac ;)
@@kocot. a wiedziales ze jestes w memie paralotniowym? : ) th-cam.com/video/4l9eKeMw6D0/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
@@happywatermelon9024 haha, dobre :D jest slawa! Szkoda ze niestety nigdzie gdzie to wideo zostalo skopiowane autor nie mial na tyle przyzwoitosci aby choc podlinkowac zrodlo. Wlacznie z tym ze niektorzy puszczaj to dalej jako ich wlasne.
Any number of comments come to mind. That couldn't have been fun to ride in it wasn't even fun to watch. You've got monster skills to pay the bills to get a lunch and a wind like that and then to shoot up in the air that fast vertically oh my goodness. How in the hell can you land? I love you for doing that man but what kind of a wing? What kind of aspect ratio?
hah, thanks. well, it's a serial wing, PHI Scala, AR 6.77, anyone can buy one :) There are probably models that would take it even easier being stiffer and with higher top speed, but if you need to carry your gear there are compromises. As for landing... that's a bit tricky, but unless it's a valley wind you can expect it to be milder lower down, and that was a case here. Still, I have chosen a huge spot without any obstacles. I've also collected quite a bit of ballast from the nearby stones :)
@@kocot. Thanks for the reply I'm just trying to learn to fly to epsilon 9 and I'm on the ground handling part right now. I have the same landing philosophy I just have a great big flat place and I'm not going to hit the ground very hard I'm not sure where it's going to land. When you grab stones and things like that do you go over the weight range? I've been working on some equations and calculations that suggests an overloaded Wing will tend to lock in a spiral.
@@markmcgoveran6811 it's more complex than that, and will vary from wing to wing but most wings won't be affected much being a little overloaded, but it's still not advisable. Stone ballast is the last resort 🫣 I wasn't overloaded anyway as I had very little gear with me
@@kocot. With any given way there is a certain minimum radius you can turn. You tend to have your locked in spiral and spin into the ground in any kind of an overloaded aircraft situation I do agree with you 5 lb one way or the other probably would barely be noticeable but I don't think you should go much more.
@@markmcgoveran6811 sorry, but I'm going to call BS on that one. First of all, spin is not a persistent figure with PG, and you're more likely to spin or stall underloaded wing. And if you're locked in a spiral it's most of the time because of a cravate, meaning tons more load being outside of your control, and you're locked in by air resistance, not the load itself. Watch speedwings in spiral, I flew 8m canopies, 3 times the loading of XC wing, and they leave spiral with a 3cm break movement (although there is more variables here). Now, last but not least, what is actually the weight range of the wing? It's just an arbitrary number for which the constructor trims the wing to pass certification. And most often the edge rating is for accelerated collapses, not for spiral behavior. And spiral behavior for EN A, B, C is nowhere close to get you accidentally locked in a spiral (although they dont test nose down, but still). Many EN D wings have As or Bs for spirals. The situation you're talking about simply does not apply to paragliding, not in a realistic way. There are reasons not to overload the profile, but it's just not one of them.
wery dangerus
There is a lot of turbulence i see..risky to fly
The first five seconds that were missing?
that's when my supported started recording :)
@@kocot. shucks, that would have been of interest !
Thanks for posting, we learn from so much from fellow pilots!!
Cheers from 🇨🇦
I would think of it this way -- if you launch in similar conditions 10, or 20, or 100 times, how many times do you think it would turn out badly? If you think it's about 1 in 20, is a 5 percent chance of serious injury or death acceptable to you? If so, then go ahead and launch in those conditions again. I certainly wouldn't. Something turning out fine can really lead us astray -- ultimately a video can't tell us how close to injury or death we were, because we can't see the turbulence we ALMOST hit...
I can't really judge because I don't know how much control you had during the whole thing; I don't fly paragliders and I wasn't there. To me, the most dangerous part was the spinning (of yourself/harness, not the wing) -- it looked like you were kind of close to twisting up the mains, kind of like in those skydiving videos...
You're right about the statistics and completely wrong about the actual danger assessment. The way you deal with the first one is progressive training, that pushes the rates far below 5%. Both by improving your technical skills, and recognition of your limits - when you simply don't go.
Now, what makes H&F competitions really dangerous is not the conditions themselves, but the fact we often fly tired and under huge pressure to fly instead of walking.
As for the twisting it was a non-event, the only real danger was a low collapse and being blown behind the ridge.
How did it work out? I don't see success from this video, it was cut far too short to see if you actually got out of it.
that's a perfect question, and funnily, one that no one ever asks, while usually this is exactly my first doubt whenever I see a strong wind take off in the mountains. Or whenever I consider it, cause... what's next? If it's that windy at the slope, and it's not an anomaly, it's likely even worse up there.
Still, what would you consider a success? As you can see, I'm still here, alive, commenting :D
@@kocot. Did it result in a crash? Did you get sucked over the back? Or were you able to fly it out to a safe landing?
@@alistairclark6814 that's what I've thought. No, I never had a serious paragliding accident in fact. The conditions were pretty extreme, as it's not rare during X-Pyr but I was able to fly along the race line quite a bit and overtake several people. Part of the reason to take off was that the way down was both long and mostly in the wrong direction - so any flight had a lot of value.
At the same time it was a very difficult in the air and I had almost no forward speed, even at full bar, and with the ballast I took. So I effectively was moving sideways. Even that way I still was able to make tons of altitude (which I rather avoided :P). I landed once I've cleared 3+ ridges (including this one) and reached a wide valley with a safe spot to land. But I could easily go on technically, I had to lose ~1000m and escape multiple thermals to land.
@@kocot. Sounds like a crazy ride! Well done, stay safe out there.
😳 Nope!
거기 꼭대기 올라가면 구름 주변 하강기류도 있어요 더거칠거에요 그러니까 기상좋을때 이륙하지 왜그랬어요 ㅠ ㅠ
cause it's a H&F competition, you either walk, or fly, never wait :)
Niezłe rodeo.
Ce type est dangereux, il faudra porter plainte contre ce genre d"énergumène!!!!
and how do you feel that take off endangers you?
Too buku.
Interesting how many people cheer up a pilot with bad decision habits.
This doesn‘t have anything to do with skills but a lot with missing respect for the sport.
do you mind to elaborate? what bad habits do you have in mind? Do you consider all hike&fly races including X-Pyr or X-Alps a disrespect for our sport?
I must say it's not a common opinion, many people, including me, got inspired watching those athletes and now I'm happy to become one of them. You think I shouldn't?
Nope
Flight in this wind-stupid
thank you for your opinion, why do you think so? Is it based on your own experiences?
@@kocot. TH-cam armchair pilot/expert. Pay no heed.
Agreed. Coming from an ex paragliding competition pilot. Flying in those conditions is incredibly risky.
@@kocot. he definitely didn’t have the skills to fly in those conditions if he had a cravat from a wing deflation right after launch. Super dangerous. This is how pilots get hurt.
Maybe for you, maybe for me. But the pilot decided it was within their skill level, including handling the level of turbulence from that wind... And obviously the decision was correct, even if they might have preferred a bit of more margin. I wouldn't be so quick to judge another pilots skill level.
odds are that this guy is no longer alive.....no person in their right mind flys a paraglider in strong thermal conditions, or in winds over 10-12 mph. Paragliders lack a rigid frame, so sail collapses are easily triggered.
this 'guy' is the owner of this channel, apparently not all content out there is just copied and stolen 🫣
And even though you might not agree with what I'm doing please at least show some respect. Especially as your understanding of paragliding is clearly very limited.
The video comes from a competition where flying in such conditions is not usual and every pilot is selected given experience beforehand. I've explained my decision to take off and the following flight in multiple places.
on top of that, the number you've given is a nonsense. Winds above 12mph (are you from US or what?) are very common in the Alps and often exceeded. On cliffs it would be considered low wind and the same applies to many flatland areas. Strong thermals are what most search for. Feel free to browse through my videos if you'd like to understand more about this sport.
@@kocot. I have flown multiple types of aircraft spanning 3 decades, including hang gliders, ultralights, recreational and experimental aircraft, sailplanes and also a few dozen parachute jumps. Since I have shared the airspace with paragliders on multiple occasions, I have witnessed firsthand their small window of safe operating conditions, and 5 collapses with one fatality. Flying, in general is challenging and certainly not for everyone. In the final analysis, the degree of safety in any aircraft is determined by the pilot. If they respect their skill limits as a pilot and the also respect the limits of their equipment, odds are in their favor. Personally, I prefer aircraft capable of functioning in a wide variety of conditions as an added safety factor, but to each their own, as they say. Safe flying.
@@jlvandat69 the 'lack if rigid airframe' as you called it is a safety feature, not a deficiency. And it opens more doors than it closes. It takes a bit of experience to understand how and why it works, and to really benefit from it. But it's not less safe than other aviation sports. Also there has been an enormous progress in paragliding equipment in the recent years, not to mention the skills, so the range and options are even wider now. We fly all over the globe, All year. Just look at the records and how the gap to hang gliding vanished. Not to mention popularity, also among professional commercial pilots ;) If you look for limitations, you'll find them. But just imagine a H&F race with a hang glider. Good luck
@@kocot. "the 'lack if rigid airframe' as you called it is a safety feature, not a deficiency"...You have every right to your perception. As a pilot of ridged airframes only, I see it as a serious limitation often fatally overlooked by those flying them. When close to the ground (especially) , loss of lift due to sail collapse is often unrecoverable....a situation that a ridged airframe alleviates. I think it's helpful to consider that a paraglider is a derivative of the parachute, which was originally designed as an "emergency descent device", and never intended for sustained flight. So, they are being used for purposes not originally intended, leading to a relatively high accident rate as compared to other forms of aviation. However, due to the low airspeed, injury is much more likely than a fatality which underscores your point about the non-rigid frame being a 'safety factor'. I'll close by restating my earlier point.....the safety of an aircraft depends primarily on who is flying it. If a pilot develops good skills and never flies in conditions not suitable for his/her equipment, there's a good chance they'll never be in the headlines. GL.