We will probably be playing Sauna Klonkku in english Sauna Gollum here is the explanation about the game: Imagine a situation like this in your mind: You are in the sauna with your friends and you would like to play a game (* but there are four instead of three. Another game might be more appropriate for this situation, but it would be unfortunate if someone had to miss out instead of playing. There is a game that is created for such situations: saunaGollum. SaunaGollum is a club game for athletes of all ages and hairs, requiring at least two players, but can accommodate as many people as can be fitted in the sauna. The last player who enters the sauna is called Gollum, and that person crawls to their cave under the boards. Others sit on the boards and the game can start. Gollum's mission is to make other players bounce by tickling their asses between the boards. If one of the players bounces, they will become the new Gollum and the former Gollum will sit on the boards. The advantages of the game are its flexibility: there are no limitations on the number of players and the game can continue as long as you want. In addition, if the sauna is exceptionally large, the transfer of several Gollums to the cave can alleviate the crowd on the benches. However, the game also has its drawbacks: it can only be played in the sauna, and there must be a Gollum cave beneath the boards. Among other things, Euffa's sauna is not very suitable for a saunaGollum. Many saunas, however, have this kind of cave, and so often at the end of the sauna , we can hear a reverberation of the sound of giggling and the screams of the joy from the showers.
I would argue that the killer was going for a video game objective. When you get a survivor on your team who is solely going for the archives objectives, are they playing optimally? Definitely not. Are they borderline trolling? Yes. They are, however, still going for an objective in the video game, just not the 'main' objective. Achievements are analogous: the Myers was going for a video game objective. Behavior incentivizes such game play, so if you're mad, be mad at Behavior.
May as well say that winning a match is a meaningless videogame achievement . If the developers incentivize it, you can't blame people for going for it.
@@joshuahandlen9885 The survivor already lost though he did not "try to win" he stalled against the purpose of the game: he did not try to escape or do any game objective e just stopped playing.
Tip for any future Myers players that run into this special kind of player: if they do this next to some kind of big drop (as was done here), try wiggling them off said cliff. You will be stunned for a period of course, but hopefully the fall recovery suffered by the survivor will be long enough for you to catch up and finally sink you’re teeth into that sweet achievement.
@@StarfayeArt so you wasted your time for 45 min just to be petty and you think it's something you should even be talking about xD. Wow, your time is this worthless lmao, go get a life dude.
I got evil incarnate after my second attempt at it and oh boy, the salt in egc was unreal. I had to bait the final survivor by pretending to give up and giving them the exit gate. You can imagine their response. I tried the "Let them wiggle out in the corner of a map with PWYF" strat and they just barely made it to a locker everytime. It's not just spiteful, it's selfish. They realize that by denying you that in this game, more survivors have to go through the same experience and get little to no bloodpoints. It's like a "If I had to suffer, so do you." mentality that's all so prevalent in this community. Most aren't running the build for fun, it's just for the shitty achievement. You'll die either way, just let the dude get his little trophy and move on. It's not that serious lmao.
I just gave up on trying to get it like 6 years ago after maybe 10-15 attempts. I got so close to getting it multiple times and one time I had 3 dead and one I was letting open the exit gate as I knew the second she let go of it I would be able to mori her but somehow the game screwed me over and didn't register the attack at all and she had sprint burst so there was nothing I could do. I felt so defeated and frustrated that I never attempted to go for it again. Sucks that an achievement like that can be dictated by the survivors whether or not you get it. So many people had to suffer through that experience only for me to still not get it... Still sad about it tbh 😂.
It took me over a month to get it to the point my Micheal got p10 (he was p6/2)just to get enough tombstones and hair and the only reason why I got it is because it was a swf that were actually nice and let me have it and didn’t keep running in lockers and even then I did try for a while back in 2017 when the game came to PlayStation literally since the first 2 days of the game coming to PlayStation I started trying and I stopped after a few days (getting him p2) realizing how much of a grind it would’ve been trying to get enough tombstones and hairs so I dropped it and did other achievements and the fact it took me 7 years to get and a month of fully attempting to get it says how annoying it can be because of people using lockers to deny the achievement and the fact someone got banned potentially because of this achievement is insane
i can’t imagine holding myself hostage and then blaming the other side for being held hostage when i have so much control in the situation. just take the L and move on ffs.
Nope dbd players can pretty petty sometimes. Dudes already playing Myers with SBMM and going for achievements. And the survivor is another annoying streamers something about this game and its community brings the worst out of people.
@@r_c1 no I think the survivor was being super petty here, I got this achievement and I've run into many people that do this. But the killer got banned for harassment for doing something else, I'm trying to be impartial and avoid that tribalistic tendencies when it comes to this game. No bias or "as a killer" main bs. It's important to call out toxicity on both sides.
also, it could be that this survivor mass reports every killer when salty and they notified him of one of them that was banned, not necessarily this particular killer
Agree. In this scenario, the survivor had nothing to gain from sitting in the locker, nor anything to lose (besides their time). Meanwhile the killer definitely had something to lose, the achievement. So as punishment, the survivor should lose something too.
@@minersheep8285 Well, but the survivor is not obliged to give anyone, especially enemy, any achievements. Yeah, it's dickhead move, but... killer can still do his thing. The most guilty is BHVR, if they did some mechanic, like "if it's last survivor, hides in a locked and Myers has tombstone, he can do mori by grabbing them out of the locker" then survivors would not be able to hold anyone "hostage". But, being technical - survivor is not holding anyone. He's just denying his opponent an achievement, but... will killer grant the survivor achievement, when he'll need it? 99% of killers will say "my goal is to kill you", so well, my goal is to avoid being killed. And staying in a locker kind of does that.
@@michacieslak2346nah that's some bs. They held themself hostage. They were perfectly in control to get themself out of the game and didn't do it out of spite, not some shite like "My goal is to survive"
I'm not sure about that. The survivor is trying to survive as long as possible. The killer is supposed to kill them. The survivor lives longer by not getting stabbed, whereas the killer can simply grab and hook. Personally I think BHVR is the bad guy here because of the achievement, but between the 2 players it isn't exactly up for debate. Just look at their objectives for the game, not the achievement that doesn't pertain to how you are actually meant to play. That is just being objective, but honestly just let him get the achievement and go next would be the best choice. That and bhvr changing the achievement.
I'm a minute into the video and I think this is already an open & shut case, your honor. EmoBoiTV could have gotten out of the locker anytime, Myers could have easily just grabbed him out of the locker if he really wanted that 4K, but it was EmoBoiTV's ACTIVE DECISION to stay in the locker: he could have left it anytime, got tombstoned, and move on to the next match. It's EmoBoiTV's pride that stuck him in that locker, not Myers.
I mean, it was also Myers' ACTIVE DECISION not to just grab the survivor out of the locker and be done with it. They were both just as stubborn as each other, however I would argue that the survivor's reasoning for being so stubborn was pure pettiness, whereas Myers was going for a challenge. Then to top it all off, this cringe ass streamer REPORTED Myers for "harassment"... Get a grip bro. People like that really need to get a damn life.
@@nathangothan601 The crux of the issue is that Evil Incarnate was at stake; he was not playing for a normal 4k. If the Myers made the active decision to grab the survivor from the locker, he'd be sabotaging himself. On the other hand, the survivor has already lost no matter what since they die in either scenario. The ball is in the survivor's court.
They both clowns. But the ending power is on Myers , he didn’t grab and end, survivor didn’t come out sure but that doesn’t stop Myers from grabbing. Both stubborn.
"The streamer will be sentenced to play ONLY against Skull merchant and Knight with old Pain Res, old eruption, Pop and DMS for 72 straight hours on maps that favors both of those killers. This court has been adjourned" *Hits gavel This is what should happen lmao
i mean after all it would still only be 1 match against either if there was no server crash because those matches will alreready take 72 hours by themselfs
I love this concept, it would be really fun to do a collab with other creators so you could have a prosecution, and even witnesses! "Your honor, I submit that my client is in fact a baby killer, and therefore this offense clearly lands under the New Player Weirdness exemption. I move to dismiss" "Objection! The defendant has perks from two non-free killers. While they are a baby, they have passed the experience threshold to be held accountable for their crimes."
BHVR is guilty. Change the achievement to "kill 4 survivors as Myers by your own hand". Then even if they don't rework Myers/Tombstone, you can get it by just bringing an iridescent mori, and playing normally. It'd still be hard, since you'd end up with one person who's only been hooked one time...
using a mori does count towards the achievment, as long as you are in T3 during the mori. However, in order to use the mori the Survivor must either be the last (yellow mori) or on deathhook (green / pink mori). Also using a Mori doesnt let you choose an easy map to get stalks off
I didn't know that. So what you're saying if I'm understanding this correctly is that you can get your infinite tier 3/tombstone going and get the survivor on death hook if needed then just mori them with the iri mori and it counts towards the achievement?.@@GenesisRhapsodusify
The funny thing is that after people get the achievement, they stop having to play like this. If he would have stepped out of the locker, less survivors have to go against this play style. It's literally a trolley problem of 4 people get mori'd, or 3 people mori'd then repeat this trolley problem. The cycle only ends once someone picks the 4, in the meantime every game is full of awful instakills.
Wait, so you're throwing out the classic killer/survivor rulebook that players have to play a specific way and just blaming the survivor? Did the survivor design tombstone add-ons, or the achievement to kill all 4 survivors by tombstone? No? Wow, that's insane, it's almost as if it's BHVR's fault for not updating and revising old and badly designed aspects of this game.
@@JakeobE Bro literally just said "survivor." Neither of the players are at fault for what they did. But the fact that the survivor is blaming the killer for holding him hostage when both sides had the power to end the game is stupid.
@@finger1079 If both sides had the power to end it, why didn't Myers end it? Survivors want to survive, it's literally in their name. Also, your first sentence makes no sense. I did indeed say "survivor" in my response... and? lmfao
@@JakeobE The guy you commented under just said "survivor" and you wrote a whole fanbook for him. The Myers didn't end the game because he wanted the achievement, which is fair. The survivor didn't end the game because he didn't want Myers to get the achievement which is also fair. No one is at fault for their behavior in game. The streamer is at fault for complaining that it was the killer holding HIM hostage. Also, I agree this achievement is bs and BHVR should be blamed for not reworking it since shit like this always happens.
@@finger1079 Got it, two line responses to a weird sentence is "a whole fanbook" Myers isn't entitled to achievements, no survivor or killer is. Also, how do you know for sure Myers didn't already have the achievement, but just wanted 4 kills by tombstone again? DBD players (including killer players) are certainly weird and petty enough to act like this for an achievement they already have.
PaulieEsther had a 30 minute standoff with a Wesker who refused to hook his teammate but also refused to even bleed him out. He kept using Wesker's power to grab the teammate without letting him even bleed and then would carry him around until he escaped, and just kept doing that for a long time. That could make a great next case!
Paulie made an argument why he couldn't, so that's why I think it would make a great case for this type of video! Scott could even invite him on to testify.
@@matthewnoel9237 this actually sounds like an interesting case. If it's Strictly done with the purpose of preventing the survivor from doing anything, that definitely sounds like the killer being guilty. if the survivor is TRYING to progress the game but doesn't have the skill too, or is TRYING to get killed and the killer is preventing that, that's definitely a hostage hold, i feel. sure it might not be as clear cut and dry as this myers V survivor situation, but MAN that sounds awful. i would hate to be that survivor, just getting to wiggle off, run, trying to ACTUALLY do anything, and then getting chased again and held, and they don't even try to hook me? yeah, i'd probably DC and wait to report.
This is so dumb court should immediately throw it out. The survivor is completely at fault, they are dying either way and are just being a petty little sh*t trying to deny the Myers achievement. I hope the ban was fake
If you view it in the order of actions taken then it's really more on the Killer to take the next action. 1. Survivor is being chased by tombstone Myers 2. Survivor jumps into locker to prevent the 1 shot 3. Killer waits outside the locker with all the power in the world, as the killer, to do what he is designed to do and refuses to do so. The ball is in the Killer's court. I know that Killers are used to controlling the environment due to the power dynamic in this asymmetric game but he's gonna have to take that L and realize he's not getting that achievement this game. The survivor has a mechanic to not get tombstoned and they used it. Sorry, bub.
@@Nezghoul92 this argument is completely dismantled and easily dismissed when you remember that there is an achievement for tombstoning all survivors, it's part of the game to get achievements it's not part of the game to sit in a locker and be pissy then later throw a temper tantrum because of your own stubborn choices
@@Tove5th That doesn't really dismantle the argument at all. You are just trying to justify that the survivor should comply with 'your' achievement. If sitting in a locker all game wasn't part of the game then why does the game allow you to do it? In 'Nature' lets say, on your average game of DBD, the Myers would just pull the survivor out of the locker. That is where the chase ended. The responsibility then lies at the feet of the Myers to fulfill the end of the chase. Was the survivor petty? Sure. Was the Killer petty? Sure.
I gave a myers the kill when I noticed what he was doing, he was the kindest and sweetest killer I've encountered in game. Mans just wanted his challenge and he was so happy for getting it, it made me happy :)
I love that they claimed “killer main’s entitlement.” Ironically, they also felt entitled to the ban imposed on the killer even though they were banned for a different reason. You’re right, both sides felt incredibly entitled. And I love how they can call it out on the other side but don’t see it within themselves. Tragic.
i do think its quite interesting to have a very specific situation though that some people apparently called "hostage holding" which if it were would be bannable but we now know that this did not happen here and its non negotiable because behavior themselves confirmed so
I LOVE this, this was really fun to watch, draw conclusions and then hear what Scott thinks. Would love to see more of this content, to me it's very entertaining.
Considering that you need two iri add-ons to get the achievement, it could be possible that the Myers may not have been able to just “try again next game” if they’re a newer player with not a lot of BP.
@@felsics9441 Rancor doesn’t count for the achievement, you have to kill them while they’re still able to run around. And you need both iris, unless the survivors just run up to you and give you the kills, you won’t have enough time to kill everyone with any other duration add on.
@@felsics9441need both. Tested and confirmed. I'm sure you can imagine the frustration when I finally mori-d all four with one iri and it didn't count
doesn't matter you're not entitled to get the achievement, there is a mechanic to avoid tombstone and survivor used it, game over, Myers didn't get the achievement and wasn't entitled to it, so standing in front of the locker for 30 minutes is dumb, i wouldn't get out of the locker too, if you,re playing for achievement, that's not my problem.
@@ambersonerikson3122 If he doesn’t want to give the achievement that’s fine. But he should own up to the consequences and take his lost time instead of reporting the player for harassment.
Crimes of Stubbornness don't need to be punished anyway, actually being willing to stand around for that long on either side is already psychological punishment enough.
Still don't know why they haven't made the tombstone also work like a mori, where you can tombstone people on the ground. Also make the tombstone kill on M2 instead of M1. Stalk is already disabled when you have a tombstone, it seems like such an obvious change that would make using tombstone feel a lot better and less janky And if Myers being able to use his lunge to get a down and then mori them on the ground is too good, then make having a tombstone equipped give you a chode lunge in tier 3 like in tier 1
No one was forcing Myers to not open the locker, BUT no one forcing the survivor to not leave the locker either. No one's holding anyone hostage here. Either player could have ended the game at any time.
Your honor, I'm honestly happy that you've potentially found a new type of content creation that you enjoy. I've been subbed for a while now and I always enjoy watching your content, regardless of what game. It does seem silly, but so was this discussion as a whole. I hope you make more of these and have fun while you do it.
Tip for anyone wanting this achievement. Agitation, Iron Grasp with Corrupt/Deadlock/PWYF as your other two perks of choice. Gideon Meat Plant offering. Play for your tombstone and if a survivor hops in a locker, bring them to one of the exit gates and drop them off the ledge. The survivor does not have enough time to get to a locker giving you a free tombstone. Since bots are now a thing, DCing doesn't matter either. As it is the Meat Plant you may need to repeat this until you get a bad group or an early enough kill. Lockers basically no longer matter with this strat though so it's a lot more consistent then just random matches. Happy Tombstone achievement everyone!
@@cat_trollface8317 You know what let me check quick. I actually haven't tried doing thing since the locker changes. I know from before due to the stagger and if dropped in the middle, they had no time to make it up the stairs, especially if running PWYF and on the single van side. I'm not sure what you mean by LT wall on "The Game" map though?
@@cat_trollface8317 I checked and didn't see any lockers. The two van side is the better from my quick test though. You can mind game it easier and as long as you drop them in the middle, you have time to get them no matter which side they choose. You can also check locker spots beforehand to see if the adjacent rooms have lockers or not. If one side doesn't then you can drop them to that side instead. The one van side is harder but seems doable as long as the pallet is gone and you have PWYF 3. You have to mind game a bit but it seems fine at least from a single test. Against a good player you might not get them there though. And in case I wasn't clear before, I'm talking about The Gideon Meat Plant map.
We also don't know for sure that the Myers got banned for harassment, it very well could have been a different killer that Emoboi faced who did do something banworthy in endgame chat or something. Unless that Myers was the only person Emoboi reported in a timeframe but I have a hunch that he wasn't.
I got Evil incarcerate pretty quick. Took 1 or 2 games. On the match I got it, the last survivor hid in the locker and after 15 seconds I get a message asking me why I was waiting. Told them yes, and asked nicely. They stepped out so I could get it. Sent them a thank you and 4 games later I gave them hatch when I ran into them again
BHVR response should also include that the in game response doesn't mean it resulted in a ban, it means that appropriate actions were takes which can mean nothing was done at all as nothing bannable happened. All that means is the case was closed for the reported player. Also even they acknowledged that there was no holding hostage at all, everyone could do anything, they both personally decided what they want to do.
I remember when I was trying to get the achievement I had a Leon do this to me and it was funny, but I remember thinking how he was condemning the next survivors I play with to the same fate. I would probably just let them have the achievement, so hopefully they don't play tombstone anymore
This just feels like a case of prisoner's dilemma. Anyways, you can usually end things with like "The court of yadayada (jund or the fog maybe) would like to thank the jury (your cats) for their service to the yadayada (household of jund I guess). This courtroom is adjourned." You usually dismiss a case when the charges in a case fail to go anywhere e.g no one gets punished. Or someshit like that idk You need the gavel to make this all official, maybe the ol hatchet
that verdict only applies if we can prove without a doubt that the survivor was doing it out of spite. which seems to be the case here but if the survivor simply is playing to win, hiding in a locker may not be a winning move but it is the only move that gives even the tiniest chance of survival. because then there is a chance of the killer messing up and not going for the closest hook for example allowing the survivor to escape their grasp and try to make a play for the hatch etc.
Aside from not having any thrilling/tense court room music at the start with a narrator briefing us on the case... This was pretty solid! Would love to see more. But seriously Skrump what the hell man? /s
banning the myers for that but not the survivor would've been the stupidest thing ever, they both essentially did the same thing and both had way to end the game if they wanted to. glad bhvr cleared it up but now I wanna know what myers actually got banned for, this case seems to go way deeper than first thought
Totally on the survivor. One person here was trying to do something relevant to the game, whether we agree with what they were doing or not, whether we like how they were playing or not. The other was trying to solely negatively impact the experience of the other player with no hope of "winning." One was trying to achieve a valid in-game objective, the other was trying to just be a spiteful jerk. Whether I like the way the killer was playing or not, in the same situation I would have went for the hatch or gate and actually played the game.
Exactly even if survivor is technically correct how they acted or conducted themselves leads me to have absolutely 0 empathy or pity for them and the community would probably be better off without players like that
If there was more than one survivor left I would understand doing this but you're dead either way either from a hook or from the Mori. I don't understand why it's so hard to just let him have it.
I had a game where I was oni and the survivor was a survivor and they hid in the locker in the end game with head on, and the hatch was right in front of it. So if I was too close, I’d get stunned. If they got out, they’d get grabbed TLDR we sat there till the game auto ended, and we both thought it was funny. I asked what show they were watching and I told them I was also on Netflix Was a friendly hostage scenario from both ends lmao
the tweet at 3:38 should be reworded to "it's literally faster to get mori'd so that both of us can move on with our lives? Survivor main entitlement is wild" Fixed it for him/her/idk 👍
It's like one of those scenarios where someone lawyers for themselves so hard that in the end everyone agrees that they're "technically" right.... but in doing so they also proved they're the biggest asshole in the room.
This is actually so entertaining, you should bring people on to have a back and forth convo or even bring the plaintiff and defendant. Maybe you’re a little too small but I actually found it quite fun to watch for how silly it is
4:09 As soon as I heard of this situation that was the first thing that came to mind, when I heard of this locker stand off, my mind immediately went to hatch stand offs. The game was already over at that point for the survivor, however whether the Myers had been patient enough to wait or to just take the lost and grab him out either side could have ended whenever they wanted it to end. Neither side was held hostage as it could have been ended whenever and this is the equivalent of punishing someone for a hatch stand off (I know nobody got punished for this event but still). The survivor had nothing to gain or lose from staying in the locker, the end result was the same. The killer would have either lost or gained an achievement depending on if they could get the kill.
Both sides are stubborn and held each other hostage. The simple solution is to allow Tombstone to mori people while they are in the Dying State. The more complicated, and less likely solution since this is BHVR, rework the Tombstones to be engaging for both sides.
i wish they would change the achievement in a way so if you grab survivor from a locker/off a gen/etc with your tombstone ready and then they die in any way you would still get that counted towards the achievement as if you tombstoned them.
Myers needs to have his add ons reworked period . Secondly his power needs to be reworked aswell so he dosent run out of it stalking people . But the whole tombstone and infinite tier 3 shouldn't be a thing
Unironically want to see more of this sort of thing, seeing how stupid as fuck both sides can be at times is refreshing to know I'm not the only brainlet in this game.
This is the old Hunt Showdown conundrum. I have a short range weapon (shotgun, bow, melee weapon) and i just banished the boss. An enemy trio has scoped rifles and are hanging back 100 meters and covering my exit prints. So i hunker down after trying to leave and get shot at from people i can barely see and certainly cannot fire back on. After 15 minutes, someone gets close enough to call me a pussy before running back to their sniper spot. Am i being kind of lame by refusing to leave the building. Sure. But they have legs and can use their superior numbers to push me, but they won't, so they're just as guilty.
How I see it, either A, BHVR needs to retire this achievement or B, add in an option allowing tombstone Myers to do the mori action from pulling someone out of a locker. Either way, I'm ashamed and embarrassed by the 2 of them. 2 very silly and stubborn fools....
This could literally be avoided if tombstone allows myers to mori survivors on the ground. This is 100% on the survivor: the killer is actually performing an achievement which while suboptimal is still part of the game, similar to survivors finishing archives which are also part of the game and is not considered griefing/trolling even if they end up doing things that are suboptimal. Survivor on the other hand is doing it 100% out of spite: he was practically dead as the last man and gains nothing by denying the myers his achievement outside of being a cunt. If he thinks killers doing the tombstone achievement is a dick move for some reason, then blame BHVR for making that an achievement in the 1st place similar to how crappy archives are also BHVR's fault.
Haha at the end that made me laugh a little. Courts (or the people within) get adjourned, cases do not, cases have a verdict cast or are dismissed or (rarely) withdrawn.
I agree with ya for the most part. I will say, by the way the devs clarified kinda makes me wonder if this specific killer has a history of pushing limits, since they were eventually taken action on from something else.
Why are Survivors the one's who are expected to just "give up" huh? Why is it the Survivors responsibility to be more mature in this situation when the Killer has more control over it? That just sounds like BS Killer entitlement to me. I look at any and all competitions like a war and in war surrender is cowardice, submission is defeat, it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
fun fact by the way, i think the killer could have used dropping from shoulder technology to force the survivor to drop from the pier, and as they recover from the drop tombstone them
I have to favor the Myer here. The survivor is choosing between losing and losing in two equal ways, whereas the Myers is choosing between winning and winning but also never having to do the evil incarnate achievement again. What I'll never understand about people who hold evil incarnaters hostage is that they're not gonna decide "okay, so i guess im not doing this achievement at all". everyone knows the achievement sucks, and they go into it ready to deal with this. all youre doing by jumping in the locker instead of getting tombstoned and refusing to leave is wasting your own time, and ensuring that there will be another tombstone myers running around in the ecosystem trying to get their achievement instead of just dropping the playstyle entirely. you are literally just perpetuating the exact thing you dont want to deal with. the survivor is way more at fault than the myers, because the myers has an actually tangible trade-off they are considering by waiting out the survivor, whereas the only tradeoff for the survivor is frustrating the myers for no good reason.
this mechanic is stupid to begin with. You should mori someone on the ground, like a mori, and maybe even a requirement like a hookstage at said survivor like the old mori did. just grabbing someone out of nowhere but also on the other hand being completly countered by lockers is the currently biggest powergap that can happen in dbd.
Couldn’t you just pull them out then take them to a place far away from lockers, then keep picking them up and dropping until they break free and then try to mori them? Or would that be difficult?
This is a bit like DbD's version of the trolley problem with how back & forth people are on the importance of the "active decision" by either person in this scenario. Luckily, we can use a simple application of game theory to determine that Myers was right simply by virtue of having something tangible (as far as pixel trophies go) to gain: Scenario A: Survivor leaves the locker and gets tombstoned, therefore losing with Myers getting the achievement (0,1) Scenario B: Survivor gets grabbed & hooked (or simply chooses to DC), therefore losing with Myers not getting the achievement (0,0) Myers making an active decision in this case would be self-sabotage, while the survivor gains nothing in either scenario. Surv player was just being a silly sausage and wanted to spite the killer.
OBJECTION As laid out in the landmark case "TTVs vs r/deadbydaylight", any judgment involving a TTV player is not judged on the merits. Rather, the TTV is found guilty by default by virtue of being a TTVer I hereby request this court move to nullify any judgement against the defendant and request an order of cringe against the plantiff
Don't let the black fog distract you from the fact that this court room is also a sauna.
We will probably be playing Sauna Klonkku in english Sauna Gollum here is the explanation about the game:
Imagine a situation like this in your mind: You are in the sauna with your friends and you would like to play a game (* but there are four instead of three. Another game might be more appropriate for this situation, but it would be unfortunate if someone had to miss out instead of playing. There is a game that is created for such situations: saunaGollum.
SaunaGollum is a club game for athletes of all ages and hairs, requiring at least two players, but can accommodate as many people as can be fitted in the sauna. The last player who enters the sauna is called Gollum, and that person crawls to their cave under the boards. Others sit on the boards and the game can start. Gollum's mission is to make other players bounce by tickling their asses between the boards. If one of the players bounces, they will become the new Gollum and the former Gollum will sit on the boards.
The advantages of the game are its flexibility: there are no limitations on the number of players and the game can continue as long as you want. In addition, if the sauna is exceptionally large, the transfer of several Gollums to the cave can alleviate the crowd on the benches. However, the game also has its drawbacks: it can only be played in the sauna, and there must be a Gollum cave beneath the boards. Among other things, Euffa's sauna is not very suitable for a saunaGollum. Many saunas, however, have this kind of cave, and so often at the end of the sauna , we can hear a reverberation of the sound of giggling and the screams of the joy from the showers.
Be prepared for hot takes!
A court room full of DBD players?
Imagine the smell.
breathe it in
@@krazysamuraiMy brother just got a whiff and has collapsed onto the floor he has stopped breathing how do i counter this
it is done
Unironically my body hygiene routine drastically improved around the time I quit Dbd. Is it coincidence ...?
@@eldoonyE
Scott jundge
what im saying
You should do more of this Scott lmao
Agreed, love this content.
Judge Jund
gyatt jundge
The fog in the room is actually the smell emanating from the DBD players present inside the room
I would argue that the killer was going for a video game objective.
When you get a survivor on your team who is solely going for the archives objectives, are they playing optimally? Definitely not. Are they borderline trolling? Yes. They are, however, still going for an objective in the video game, just not the 'main' objective.
Achievements are analogous: the Myers was going for a video game objective. Behavior incentivizes such game play, so if you're mad, be mad at Behavior.
Amen!
May as well say that winning a match is a meaningless videogame achievement . If the developers incentivize it, you can't blame people for going for it.
@@joshuahandlen9885 The survivor already lost though he did not "try to win" he stalled against the purpose of the game: he did not try to escape or do any game objective e just stopped playing.
@@rapsody230 I completely agree with you. I'm speaking to Scott disregarding a "completely meaningless videogame achievement"
Best response to this matter. This Myers wouldn't even behave like that if the achievement didn't exist.
i love how he claims he was trapped in the locker, but in his own evidence, the "exit locker" button was still very much there.
Tip for any future Myers players that run into this special kind of player: if they do this next to some kind of big drop (as was done here), try wiggling them off said cliff. You will be stunned for a period of course, but hopefully the fall recovery suffered by the survivor will be long enough for you to catch up and finally sink you’re teeth into that sweet achievement.
Myers tried this for 45 minutes with me then gave up and hoiked
@@StarfayeArtWhy did you waste 2 people lifes for 45 min?
@@StarfayeArtthat seems a little petty? Kinda lame lmao
@@StarfayeArt so you wasted your time for 45 min just to be petty and you think it's something you should even be talking about xD. Wow, your time is this worthless lmao, go get a life dude.
I got evil incarnate after my second attempt at it and oh boy, the salt in egc was unreal. I had to bait the final survivor by pretending to give up and giving them the exit gate. You can imagine their response.
I tried the "Let them wiggle out in the corner of a map with PWYF" strat and they just barely made it to a locker everytime. It's not just spiteful, it's selfish. They realize that by denying you that in this game, more survivors have to go through the same experience and get little to no bloodpoints. It's like a "If I had to suffer, so do you." mentality that's all so prevalent in this community.
Most aren't running the build for fun, it's just for the shitty achievement. You'll die either way, just let the dude get his little trophy and move on. It's not that serious lmao.
Thinking logically is not these kind of peoples thing.
I just gave up on trying to get it like 6 years ago after maybe 10-15 attempts. I got so close to getting it multiple times and one time I had 3 dead and one I was letting open the exit gate as I knew the second she let go of it I would be able to mori her but somehow the game screwed me over and didn't register the attack at all and she had sprint burst so there was nothing I could do. I felt so defeated and frustrated that I never attempted to go for it again. Sucks that an achievement like that can be dictated by the survivors whether or not you get it. So many people had to suffer through that experience only for me to still not get it... Still sad about it tbh 😂.
It took me over a month to get it to the point my Micheal got p10 (he was p6/2)just to get enough tombstones and hair and the only reason why I got it is because it was a swf that were actually nice and let me have it and didn’t keep running in lockers and even then I did try for a while back in 2017 when the game came to PlayStation literally since the first 2 days of the game coming to PlayStation I started trying and I stopped after a few days (getting him p2) realizing how much of a grind it would’ve been trying to get enough tombstones and hairs so I dropped it and did other achievements and the fact it took me 7 years to get and a month of fully attempting to get it says how annoying it can be because of people using lockers to deny the achievement and the fact someone got banned potentially because of this achievement is insane
i can’t imagine holding myself hostage and then blaming the other side for being held hostage when i have so much control in the situation. just take the L and move on ffs.
People wonder why dbd has such a shit community. Like just let the guy have it, help eachother get achievements
Nope dbd players can pretty petty sometimes. Dudes already playing Myers with SBMM and going for achievements. And the survivor is another annoying streamers something about this game and its community brings the worst out of people.
@@gcelite36 going for an achievement is petty? an achievement that is entirely up to how the survivors play btw.
@@gcelite36 oh i think i misunderstood you blaming the myers, my bad lol
@@r_c1 no I think the survivor was being super petty here, I got this achievement and I've run into many people that do this. But the killer got banned for harassment for doing something else, I'm trying to be impartial and avoid that tribalistic tendencies when it comes to this game. No bias or "as a killer" main bs. It's important to call out toxicity on both sides.
also, it could be that this survivor mass reports every killer when salty and they notified him of one of them that was banned, not necessarily this particular killer
I mean if you report because of that despite the fact that you could just jump out then he might be the type of guy that reports for everything.
Survivor is guilty, sentence is to receive half bloodpoints for 2 rank rotations. Adjourned
Agree. In this scenario, the survivor had nothing to gain from sitting in the locker, nor anything to lose (besides their time).
Meanwhile the killer definitely had something to lose, the achievement.
So as punishment, the survivor should lose something too.
A fate worse than death
@@minersheep8285 Well, but the survivor is not obliged to give anyone, especially enemy, any achievements. Yeah, it's dickhead move, but... killer can still do his thing.
The most guilty is BHVR, if they did some mechanic, like "if it's last survivor, hides in a locked and Myers has tombstone, he can do mori by grabbing them out of the locker" then survivors would not be able to hold anyone "hostage". But, being technical - survivor is not holding anyone. He's just denying his opponent an achievement, but... will killer grant the survivor achievement, when he'll need it? 99% of killers will say "my goal is to kill you", so well, my goal is to avoid being killed. And staying in a locker kind of does that.
@@michacieslak2346nah that's some bs. They held themself hostage. They were perfectly in control to get themself out of the game and didn't do it out of spite, not some shite like "My goal is to survive"
I'm not sure about that. The survivor is trying to survive as long as possible. The killer is supposed to kill them. The survivor lives longer by not getting stabbed, whereas the killer can simply grab and hook. Personally I think BHVR is the bad guy here because of the achievement, but between the 2 players it isn't exactly up for debate. Just look at their objectives for the game, not the achievement that doesn't pertain to how you are actually meant to play. That is just being objective, but honestly just let him get the achievement and go next would be the best choice. That and bhvr changing the achievement.
I'm a minute into the video and I think this is already an open & shut case, your honor.
EmoBoiTV could have gotten out of the locker anytime, Myers could have easily just grabbed him out of the locker if he really wanted that 4K, but it was EmoBoiTV's ACTIVE DECISION to stay in the locker: he could have left it anytime, got tombstoned, and move on to the next match. It's EmoBoiTV's pride that stuck him in that locker, not Myers.
I mean, it was also Myers' ACTIVE DECISION not to just grab the survivor out of the locker and be done with it. They were both just as stubborn as each other, however I would argue that the survivor's reasoning for being so stubborn was pure pettiness, whereas Myers was going for a challenge.
Then to top it all off, this cringe ass streamer REPORTED Myers for "harassment"... Get a grip bro. People like that really need to get a damn life.
Couldn’t the Myers have made the active decision to grab them out of the locker?
@@nathangothan601 If the Myers had made a salty Twitte post about it he'd be the clown in the scenario
@@nathangothan601 The crux of the issue is that Evil Incarnate was at stake; he was not playing for a normal 4k. If the Myers made the active decision to grab the survivor from the locker, he'd be sabotaging himself. On the other hand, the survivor has already lost no matter what since they die in either scenario. The ball is in the survivor's court.
They both clowns. But the ending power is on Myers , he didn’t grab and end, survivor didn’t come out sure but that doesn’t stop Myers from grabbing. Both stubborn.
"The streamer will be sentenced to play ONLY against Skull merchant and Knight with old Pain Res, old eruption, Pop and DMS for 72 straight hours on maps that favors both of those killers. This court has been adjourned"
*Hits gavel
This is what should happen lmao
Truly a fate worse than death itself...
gavel
i think hitting gravel would hurt
@@maxomega3 only if your a bitch 😎
Jk
Tbh, I didn't realize I had misspelled it till now
LMFAO
i mean after all it would still only be 1 match against either if there was no server crash because those matches will alreready take 72 hours by themselfs
just throw old ruin undying ontop of that and we're all set
I love this concept, it would be really fun to do a collab with other creators so you could have a prosecution, and even witnesses!
"Your honor, I submit that my client is in fact a baby killer, and therefore this offense clearly lands under the New Player Weirdness exemption. I move to dismiss"
"Objection! The defendant has perks from two non-free killers. While they are a baby, they have passed the experience threshold to be held accountable for their crimes."
That's a good idea 😂
Counter objection- the defendant purchased these perks through the shrine of secrets
@@marlocheusaCounter Counter objection! They like skull merchant
BHVR is guilty. Change the achievement to "kill 4 survivors as Myers by your own hand". Then even if they don't rework Myers/Tombstone, you can get it by just bringing an iridescent mori, and playing normally. It'd still be hard, since you'd end up with one person who's only been hooked one time...
using a mori does count towards the achievment, as long as you are in T3 during the mori. However, in order to use the mori the Survivor must either be the last (yellow mori) or on deathhook (green / pink mori). Also using a Mori doesnt let you choose an easy map to get stalks off
I didn't know that. So what you're saying if I'm understanding this correctly is that you can get your infinite tier 3/tombstone going and get the survivor on death hook if needed then just mori them with the iri mori and it counts towards the achievement?.@@GenesisRhapsodusify
I can't take this unseriously when you don't even have a juror's wig smh
The funny thing is that after people get the achievement, they stop having to play like this. If he would have stepped out of the locker, less survivors have to go against this play style. It's literally a trolley problem of 4 people get mori'd, or 3 people mori'd then repeat this trolley problem. The cycle only ends once someone picks the 4, in the meantime every game is full of awful instakills.
people are just that petty for their little "win" during their loss. people suck
I need the Judge Judy Theme to play before these videos get started, followed by a narrators description. Then the immersion will be complete.
The judge judy theme is copyrighted
@@jacksonmallia-walker8687 I know....I know 🥲
fun fact scott is barefoot under that robe
Survivor. Like 30 seconds in, and the survivor is insanely guilty.
Wait, so you're throwing out the classic killer/survivor rulebook that players have to play a specific way and just blaming the survivor? Did the survivor design tombstone add-ons, or the achievement to kill all 4 survivors by tombstone? No? Wow, that's insane, it's almost as if it's BHVR's fault for not updating and revising old and badly designed aspects of this game.
@@JakeobE Bro literally just said "survivor." Neither of the players are at fault for what they did. But the fact that the survivor is blaming the killer for holding him hostage when both sides had the power to end the game is stupid.
@@finger1079 If both sides had the power to end it, why didn't Myers end it? Survivors want to survive, it's literally in their name.
Also, your first sentence makes no sense. I did indeed say "survivor" in my response... and? lmfao
@@JakeobE The guy you commented under just said "survivor" and you wrote a whole fanbook for him. The Myers didn't end the game because he wanted the achievement, which is fair. The survivor didn't end the game because he didn't want Myers to get the achievement which is also fair. No one is at fault for their behavior in game. The streamer is at fault for complaining that it was the killer holding HIM hostage. Also, I agree this achievement is bs and BHVR should be blamed for not reworking it since shit like this always happens.
@@finger1079 Got it, two line responses to a weird sentence is "a whole fanbook"
Myers isn't entitled to achievements, no survivor or killer is. Also, how do you know for sure Myers didn't already have the achievement, but just wanted 4 kills by tombstone again? DBD players (including killer players) are certainly weird and petty enough to act like this for an achievement they already have.
PaulieEsther had a 30 minute standoff with a Wesker who refused to hook his teammate but also refused to even bleed him out. He kept using Wesker's power to grab the teammate without letting him even bleed and then would carry him around until he escaped, and just kept doing that for a long time. That could make a great next case!
Couldn't he have done gens? Case closed.
Paulie made an argument why he couldn't, so that's why I think it would make a great case for this type of video! Scott could even invite him on to testify.
@@matthewnoel9237 this actually sounds like an interesting case.
If it's Strictly done with the purpose of preventing the survivor from doing anything, that definitely sounds like the killer being guilty. if the survivor is TRYING to progress the game but doesn't have the skill too, or is TRYING to get killed and the killer is preventing that, that's definitely a hostage hold, i feel. sure it might not be as clear cut and dry as this myers V survivor situation, but MAN that sounds awful. i would hate to be that survivor, just getting to wiggle off, run, trying to ACTUALLY do anything, and then getting chased again and held, and they don't even try to hook me? yeah, i'd probably DC and wait to report.
I'd ban the survivor for making a frivolous report.
I hearby nerf The Pig
This is so dumb court should immediately throw it out.
The survivor is completely at fault, they are dying either way and are just being a petty little sh*t trying to deny the Myers achievement.
I hope the ban was fake
If you view it in the order of actions taken then it's really more on the Killer to take the next action.
1. Survivor is being chased by tombstone Myers
2. Survivor jumps into locker to prevent the 1 shot
3. Killer waits outside the locker with all the power in the world, as the killer, to do what he is designed to do and refuses to do so.
The ball is in the Killer's court. I know that Killers are used to controlling the environment due to the power dynamic in this asymmetric game but he's gonna have to take that L and realize he's not getting that achievement this game. The survivor has a mechanic to not get tombstoned and they used it. Sorry, bub.
The ban was real, but it was completely unrelated to what happened here.
@@Nezghoul92 this argument is completely dismantled and easily dismissed when you remember that there is an achievement for tombstoning all survivors, it's part of the game to get achievements it's not part of the game to sit in a locker and be pissy then later throw a temper tantrum because of your own stubborn choices
@@Nezghoul92 yeah but the killers not the one who complained on x and got someone banned
@@Tove5th That doesn't really dismantle the argument at all. You are just trying to justify that the survivor should comply with 'your' achievement. If sitting in a locker all game wasn't part of the game then why does the game allow you to do it? In 'Nature' lets say, on your average game of DBD, the Myers would just pull the survivor out of the locker. That is where the chase ended. The responsibility then lies at the feet of the Myers to fulfill the end of the chase. Was the survivor petty? Sure. Was the Killer petty? Sure.
this is like getting into a car refusing to get out and then you start screaming for help I'm actually dying right now
I gave a myers the kill when I noticed what he was doing, he was the kindest and sweetest killer I've encountered in game. Mans just wanted his challenge and he was so happy for getting it, it made me happy :)
more of this pls
I love that they claimed “killer main’s entitlement.” Ironically, they also felt entitled to the ban imposed on the killer even though they were banned for a different reason. You’re right, both sides felt incredibly entitled. And I love how they can call it out on the other side but don’t see it within themselves. Tragic.
i do think its quite interesting to have a very specific situation though that some people apparently called "hostage holding" which if it were would be bannable but we now know that this did not happen here and its non negotiable because behavior themselves confirmed so
I LOVE this, this was really fun to watch, draw conclusions and then hear what Scott thinks. Would love to see more of this content, to me it's very entertaining.
Considering that you need two iri add-ons to get the achievement, it could be possible that the Myers may not have been able to just “try again next game” if they’re a newer player with not a lot of BP.
you can do this with one iri, you def dont need infinite And tombstone. Idk if its possible with tombstone piece without like rancor or something else
@@felsics9441 Rancor doesn’t count for the achievement, you have to kill them while they’re still able to run around. And you need both iris, unless the survivors just run up to you and give you the kills, you won’t have enough time to kill everyone with any other duration add on.
@@felsics9441need both. Tested and confirmed. I'm sure you can imagine the frustration when I finally mori-d all four with one iri and it didn't count
doesn't matter you're not entitled to get the achievement, there is a mechanic to avoid tombstone and survivor used it, game over, Myers didn't get the achievement and wasn't entitled to it, so standing in front of the locker for 30 minutes is dumb, i wouldn't get out of the locker too, if you,re playing for achievement, that's not my problem.
@@ambersonerikson3122 If he doesn’t want to give the achievement that’s fine. But he should own up to the consequences and take his lost time instead of reporting the player for harassment.
Crimes of Stubbornness don't need to be punished anyway, actually being willing to stand around for that long on either side is already psychological punishment enough.
Still don't know why they haven't made the tombstone also work like a mori, where you can tombstone people on the ground. Also make the tombstone kill on M2 instead of M1. Stalk is already disabled when you have a tombstone, it seems like such an obvious change that would make using tombstone feel a lot better and less janky
And if Myers being able to use his lunge to get a down and then mori them on the ground is too good, then make having a tombstone equipped give you a chode lunge in tier 3 like in tier 1
No one was forcing Myers to not open the locker, BUT no one forcing the survivor to not leave the locker either. No one's holding anyone hostage here. Either player could have ended the game at any time.
Your honor, I'm honestly happy that you've potentially found a new type of content creation that you enjoy. I've been subbed for a while now and I always enjoy watching your content, regardless of what game. It does seem silly, but so was this discussion as a whole. I hope you make more of these and have fun while you do it.
Tip for anyone wanting this achievement.
Agitation, Iron Grasp with Corrupt/Deadlock/PWYF as your other two perks of choice. Gideon Meat Plant offering.
Play for your tombstone and if a survivor hops in a locker, bring them to one of the exit gates and drop them off the ledge. The survivor does not have enough time to get to a locker giving you a free tombstone. Since bots are now a thing, DCing doesn't matter either.
As it is the Meat Plant you may need to repeat this until you get a bad group or an early enough kill. Lockers basically no longer matter with this strat though so it's a lot more consistent then just random matches. Happy Tombstone achievement everyone!
Don't most of those drops have lockers rather nearby though? The one that drops into that LT wall structure has a locker practically right at the drop
@@cat_trollface8317 You know what let me check quick.
I actually haven't tried doing thing since the locker changes. I know from before due to the stagger and if dropped in the middle, they had no time to make it up the stairs, especially if running PWYF and on the single van side.
I'm not sure what you mean by LT wall on "The Game" map though?
@@cat_trollface8317 I checked and didn't see any lockers. The two van side is the better from my quick test though. You can mind game it easier and as long as you drop them in the middle, you have time to get them no matter which side they choose. You can also check locker spots beforehand to see if the adjacent rooms have lockers or not. If one side doesn't then you can drop them to that side instead.
The one van side is harder but seems doable as long as the pallet is gone and you have PWYF 3. You have to mind game a bit but it seems fine at least from a single test. Against a good player you might not get them there though.
And in case I wasn't clear before, I'm talking about The Gideon Meat Plant map.
We also don't know for sure that the Myers got banned for harassment, it very well could have been a different killer that Emoboi faced who did do something banworthy in endgame chat or something. Unless that Myers was the only person Emoboi reported in a timeframe but I have a hunch that he wasn't.
Unstoppable Force (Tombstone Myers) meets Immovable Object (Stubborn Survivor in Locker)
I got Evil incarcerate pretty quick.
Took 1 or 2 games. On the match I got it, the last survivor hid in the locker and after 15 seconds I get a message asking me why I was waiting.
Told them yes, and asked nicely. They stepped out so I could get it. Sent them a thank you and 4 games later I gave them hatch when I ran into them again
BHVR response should also include that the in game response doesn't mean it resulted in a ban, it means that appropriate actions were takes which can mean nothing was done at all as nothing bannable happened. All that means is the case was closed for the reported player.
Also even they acknowledged that there was no holding hostage at all, everyone could do anything, they both personally decided what they want to do.
I remember when I was trying to get the achievement I had a Leon do this to me and it was funny, but I remember thinking how he was condemning the next survivors I play with to the same fate.
I would probably just let them have the achievement, so hopefully they don't play tombstone anymore
I love these silly videos that scott does sometimes. I can't wait for more!
Needs a judge reality tv show
Theme in the beginning with a montage of Judge Scott looking in random directions heroically
This just feels like a case of prisoner's dilemma.
Anyways, you can usually end things with like "The court of yadayada (jund or the fog maybe) would like to thank the jury (your cats) for their service to the yadayada (household of jund I guess). This courtroom is adjourned."
You usually dismiss a case when the charges in a case fail to go anywhere e.g no one gets punished. Or someshit like that idk
You need the gavel to make this all official, maybe the ol hatchet
that verdict only applies if we can prove without a doubt that the survivor was doing it out of spite. which seems to be the case here but if the survivor simply is playing to win, hiding in a locker may not be a winning move but it is the only move that gives even the tiniest chance of survival. because then there is a chance of the killer messing up and not going for the closest hook for example allowing the survivor to escape their grasp and try to make a play for the hatch etc.
Aside from not having any thrilling/tense court room music at the start with a narrator briefing us on the case... This was pretty solid! Would love to see more.
But seriously Skrump what the hell man? /s
I literally half typed out a comment asking if that was your ghostface costume and got distracted, super glad to have that clarified at the end
Your honor, my client simply didnt know he could drop tech him off the bridge, he was just in a silly little mood.
banning the myers for that but not the survivor would've been the stupidest thing ever, they both essentially did the same thing and both had way to end the game if they wanted to. glad bhvr cleared it up but now I wanna know what myers actually got banned for, this case seems to go way deeper than first thought
The only thing that crosses the line is the report, regardless of what actually caused the ban the fact that they put one in for this is what gets me
Please do more of these, these are fun to watch
Totally on the survivor. One person here was trying to do something relevant to the game, whether we agree with what they were doing or not, whether we like how they were playing or not. The other was trying to solely negatively impact the experience of the other player with no hope of "winning." One was trying to achieve a valid in-game objective, the other was trying to just be a spiteful jerk. Whether I like the way the killer was playing or not, in the same situation I would have went for the hatch or gate and actually played the game.
Exactly even if survivor is technically correct how they acted or conducted themselves leads me to have absolutely 0 empathy or pity for them and the community would probably be better off without players like that
The premise of DBD court in and of itself is hilarious lol please keep making these
I love this, please continue the series if you find more stuff like this 😭
If there was more than one survivor left I would understand doing this but you're dead either way either from a hook or from the Mori. I don't understand why it's so hard to just let him have it.
I had a game where I was oni and the survivor was a survivor and they hid in the locker in the end game with head on, and the hatch was right in front of it. So if I was too close, I’d get stunned. If they got out, they’d get grabbed
TLDR we sat there till the game auto ended, and we both thought it was funny. I asked what show they were watching and I told them I was also on Netflix
Was a friendly hostage scenario from both ends lmao
Survivors can't use Head On if they have idle crows
@@floofzykitty5072didn't know that tbh
@@floofzykitty5072 I never knew that, seems like they didn’t either lol
the tweet at 3:38 should be reworded to
"it's literally faster to get mori'd so that both of us can move on with our lives? Survivor main entitlement is wild"
Fixed it for him/her/idk 👍
Hope this will become a regular series.
Better Call Scott!
It's like one of those scenarios where someone lawyers for themselves so hard that in the end everyone agrees that they're "technically" right.... but in doing so they also proved they're the biggest asshole in the room.
I need this at least once a week. Make it possible, Judge Jund.
This is actually so entertaining, you should bring people on to have a back and forth convo or even bring the plaintiff and defendant. Maybe you’re a little too small but I actually found it quite fun to watch for how silly it is
Scott Jundge
sorry it had to be said
Get tf off scotts channel and make me some more every version of videos 😠😠😠
4:09 As soon as I heard of this situation that was the first thing that came to mind, when I heard of this locker stand off, my mind immediately went to hatch stand offs. The game was already over at that point for the survivor, however whether the Myers had been patient enough to wait or to just take the lost and grab him out either side could have ended whenever they wanted it to end. Neither side was held hostage as it could have been ended whenever and this is the equivalent of punishing someone for a hatch stand off (I know nobody got punished for this event but still). The survivor had nothing to gain or lose from staying in the locker, the end result was the same. The killer would have either lost or gained an achievement depending on if they could get the kill.
survivor is definitely in the wrong here. he held himself hostage while denying the killer his achievement out of pure spite
Both sides are stubborn and held each other hostage.
The simple solution is to allow Tombstone to mori people while they are in the Dying State.
The more complicated, and less likely solution since this is BHVR, rework the Tombstones to be engaging for both sides.
i wish they would change the achievement in a way so if you grab survivor from a locker/off a gen/etc with your tombstone ready and then they die in any way you would still get that counted towards the achievement as if you tombstoned them.
Myers needs to have his add ons reworked period . Secondly his power needs to be reworked aswell so he dosent run out of it stalking people . But the whole tombstone and infinite tier 3 shouldn't be a thing
It's very simple; Bring a mori.
As long as you are in t3 with myers when you use the mori it will count for your achievement.
Thank me later.
Using Twitter unironically and on a daily basis should be considered shameful behavior
Hopefully this will push the devs to rework this achievement
When you said you bought a court, I was thinking basketball, but this makes more sense for some reason.
Unironically want to see more of this sort of thing, seeing how stupid as fuck both sides can be at times is refreshing to know I'm not the only brainlet in this game.
Can't wait for a case serious enough to break out the huntress mask.
This is the old Hunt Showdown conundrum.
I have a short range weapon (shotgun, bow, melee weapon) and i just banished the boss. An enemy trio has scoped rifles and are hanging back 100 meters and covering my exit prints. So i hunker down after trying to leave and get shot at from people i can barely see and certainly cannot fire back on.
After 15 minutes, someone gets close enough to call me a pussy before running back to their sniper spot.
Am i being kind of lame by refusing to leave the building. Sure. But they have legs and can use their superior numbers to push me, but they won't, so they're just as guilty.
I also once stood in front of a locker for 45 minutes as Tombstone Myers. He died to the entity. No achievement for me.
I love this idea for a video series! Keep 'em coming!
How I see it, either A, BHVR needs to retire this achievement or B, add in an option allowing tombstone Myers to do the mori action from pulling someone out of a locker.
Either way, I'm ashamed and embarrassed by the 2 of them. 2 very silly and stubborn fools....
This could literally be avoided if tombstone allows myers to mori survivors on the ground. This is 100% on the survivor: the killer is actually performing an achievement which while suboptimal is still part of the game, similar to survivors finishing archives which are also part of the game and is not considered griefing/trolling even if they end up doing things that are suboptimal. Survivor on the other hand is doing it 100% out of spite: he was practically dead as the last man and gains nothing by denying the myers his achievement outside of being a cunt. If he thinks killers doing the tombstone achievement is a dick move for some reason, then blame BHVR for making that an achievement in the 1st place similar to how crappy archives are also BHVR's fault.
Ah yes case adjourned, my favourite judge catchphrase.
Haha at the end that made me laugh a little. Courts (or the people within) get adjourned, cases do not, cases have a verdict cast or are dismissed or (rarely) withdrawn.
Cool concept! Would actually love to see more of this format 😅
THIS THE TYPE OF CONTENT I LIVE FOR
This was interesting to listen to, the problem is probably putting the achievement in the game in the first place that led to this.
I agree with ya for the most part. I will say, by the way the devs clarified kinda makes me wonder if this specific killer has a history of pushing limits, since they were eventually taken action on from something else.
Ok judge Scott is one of the best videos ever I want more court cases
Your honor, I think I speak for the jury when I say we need more content like this.
Love this format, hopefully we see more videos like this!
amazing concept, keep doing stuff like this, for me specifically i dont care about anyone else ty scott
You actually can hold the killer hostage, it's just about how good you are at hiding
Why are Survivors the one's who are expected to just "give up" huh? Why is it the Survivors responsibility to be more mature in this situation when the Killer has more control over it? That just sounds like BS Killer entitlement to me. I look at any and all competitions like a war and in war surrender is cowardice, submission is defeat, it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
fun fact by the way, i think the killer could have used dropping from shoulder technology to force the survivor to drop from the pier, and as they recover from the drop tombstone them
Using The ghostface suit was a bright idea.
I have to favor the Myer here. The survivor is choosing between losing and losing in two equal ways, whereas the Myers is choosing between winning and winning but also never having to do the evil incarnate achievement again. What I'll never understand about people who hold evil incarnaters hostage is that they're not gonna decide "okay, so i guess im not doing this achievement at all". everyone knows the achievement sucks, and they go into it ready to deal with this. all youre doing by jumping in the locker instead of getting tombstoned and refusing to leave is wasting your own time, and ensuring that there will be another tombstone myers running around in the ecosystem trying to get their achievement instead of just dropping the playstyle entirely. you are literally just perpetuating the exact thing you dont want to deal with. the survivor is way more at fault than the myers, because the myers has an actually tangible trade-off they are considering by waiting out the survivor, whereas the only tradeoff for the survivor is frustrating the myers for no good reason.
this mechanic is stupid to begin with. You should mori someone on the ground, like a mori, and maybe even a requirement like a hookstage at said survivor like the old mori did. just grabbing someone out of nowhere but also on the other hand being completly countered by lockers is the currently biggest powergap that can happen in dbd.
god i love this occasional weird scott videos makes my day
The survivor had already lost. Thus there was no objective reason for him to draw out the game. Guilty!
Couldn’t you just pull them out then take them to a place far away from lockers, then keep picking them up and dropping until they break free and then try to mori them? Or would that be difficult?
This is a bit like DbD's version of the trolley problem with how back & forth people are on the importance of the "active decision" by either person in this scenario. Luckily, we can use a simple application of game theory to determine that Myers was right simply by virtue of having something tangible (as far as pixel trophies go) to gain:
Scenario A: Survivor leaves the locker and gets tombstoned, therefore losing with Myers getting the achievement (0,1)
Scenario B: Survivor gets grabbed & hooked (or simply chooses to DC), therefore losing with Myers not getting the achievement (0,0)
Myers making an active decision in this case would be self-sabotage, while the survivor gains nothing in either scenario. Surv player was just being a silly sausage and wanted to spite the killer.
Please do more videos like this Judge Scott, its funny to watch 😂
OBJECTION
As laid out in the landmark case "TTVs vs r/deadbydaylight", any judgment involving a TTV player is not judged on the merits. Rather, the TTV is found guilty by default by virtue of being a TTVer
I hereby request this court move to nullify any judgement against the defendant and request an order of cringe against the plantiff