Lechmere and the Whitechapel Murders (all of them) - Part 3
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This is the third of a short series in which Edward Stow examines all the outrages contained in the Whitechapel Murder files, and a few more besides.
Edward Stow explores the connection between Charles Lechmere and all of the unsolved murderous attacks in the East End from 1888 to 1891, including the infamous Jack the Ripper crimes.
In this episode, Edward Stow takes a close look at the 'Double Event', the murders of Liz Stride and Catherine Eddowes on 30th September 1888.
Excellent, thorough analysis. While holes can be poked in any Ripper suspect, Lechmere has some serious staying power. There are red flags all over that guy.
That's what happens when your guilty 😏
@@EldergodUK It didn't happen in 1888.
I find that message being written in chalk very telling. Did Pickford Carmen keep chalk in their pockets for marking delivery crates, etc.? I noticed in your photo of Pickford delivery wagon that the covering is dark with white script on it. Perhaps they used white chalk to mark their wagons. In that era most people who could write carried pencil stubs not chalk.
Thank you for your awesome research and insights!
There is also the "watcha doing rabbi" episode, from a rabbi caught defacing his own synagogue with swastikas in recent years.
I will always say that the "clincher" for me is the timing of the "discovery" of Polly Nichols at 3.40-3.45 am and the police officer walking past the murder site half an hour earlier and seeing nothing unusual. If "Jack" was someone else then he would have had to do his "thing" then vanish without a trace in between these times - nah, Lechmere did it because there was nowhere to run or hide when you look at that area closely. Nobody else realistically could have had enough time IMHO.
Conceivably someone else could have - just about. There is plenty of evidence that when Paul was touching the body, Polly had literally just been killed - lack of blood, the body spasm, the time of death suggested by Dr Llewellyn. But we have a ready made suspect right there- Lechmere - with a whole raft of reasons to back up that suspicion.
Jack was very nimble by all accounts. This is a good assessment and reflects my sentiments he is a good suspect.
www.jack-the-ripper.org/charles-cross.htm
I wouldn't say a clincher. There's realistically 15 to 20 minutes in which someone else could've slipped in and committed the murder. But, Lechmere arriving before Paul, alone at the body for a period of time, certainly should raise people's eyebrows. It was either an unseen, unheard assailant or Lechmere.
@@michaelbrown7561 Probably a psychopathic ninja then lol.
@@PEMBYSGAMINGWORLD Ninja-like for sure. The Nichols' murder was always the one that gave the Ripper that phantom-like quality because no one heard or saw anything (and no one suspected Cross/Lechmere).
Did the place shown at 4:20 have another name in 1987? I once spent one long night roaming Whitechapel retracing the paths of the Ripper's victims. I found the "Jack the Ripper Pub," whose owner was an American expatriate who knew what a proper rum and Coke was all about. Bless him, he got me drunk as Polly Nicholls.
exceptionally well told and documented it's obvious why do people keep on denying all this??? We all know the answer it all fits like a puzzle C homgren started all this but you definitely took this to the highest level I would only add, yes it is true that confronting as in the bucks row murder is what any highly intelligent killer would do we all know now Lechmere IS highly intelligent and vindictive as most intelligent killers are they DO NOT accept being crossed in any way (even unwillingly) they CANNOT forget it it keeps knocking about within their brain cells until they most of the time violently crush "this insult". They're highly intelligent quite good looking with good manners and very pleasant to hang around with ..... but they re dead eyes brutal monsters who thrive in cold, extreme brutality. sure Charles Lechmere must have been all this. the icing on the cake is a sort of strong mother figure which is the case with him he must have scared one of his daughters to death during an argument she must have faced for a short time The Ripper not her father as a result she NEVER EVER lived with him AGAIN IT IS ALL THERE THE WHOLE JACK THE RIPPER CASE well done Mister ED. I love watching your videos Thank you
Super analysis Edward , the plot thickens 👍
Excellent analysis thank you I’m now a believer of Lechmere being the ripper
Anyone ever compared the kidney letter to Lechmere's census handwriting?
I am wondering that, too.
I really enjoyed this video; you've clearly put a considerable amount of time and effort into making it. Thank you very much indeed. An interesting fact but did you know that in the photograph of Catherine Eddowes where she is stood up, she is actually pegged up on a nail in the wall? If you look closely, you can see that her left foot isn't in full contact with the floor. I've always found that vague little fact especially chilling. Anyway, thanks again and please keep making videos. I've just subscribed.
Great job on this series.
Or Lechmere just saw an opportunity to muddy the waters like he did with the first canonical murder by dropping the bloody rag and writing the graffiti in the same area. It worked the first time, drop a little bs into the proceedings to complicate the situation. It's a standard psychopathic/narcissistic tactic in interpersonal interactions, in conversation it's referred to as word salad. Maybe he was hoping to cause a riot, that would certainly count as muddying the waters.
Where's your proof that he did that with the first murder?
@@Jay-tk7ib It's common knowledge he lied to the police at the murder scene and gave a false name at the inquest. What proof is it you think you require?
@@jelkel25 No sir, it's common speculation that he lied to the police. There were two different stories about what Lechmere told PC Mizen, and we have no way of knowing which one is accurate. Lechmere had used the name Cross before, which was the name of his step-father, so that was not a lie. If he was going to trick them with a false name, why would he have given them his real address?
The proof required is simple evidence that makes sense, not the speculation that this theory is framed around.
@@Jay-tk7ib You've given me my answer. It's nearly all speculation, the Police files were almost all thrown away or "borrowed", Right from Pearly Poll onwards there are lies and inconsistencies, not only from people at the time but journalists and writers since. No one is ever going to really find out who it was and if they did all the other "speculator's" will just pull their theory apart. Ultimately, my speculation is as good as any and not as bad as some. Your "speculation" is as provable as mine.
@@jelkel25 As long as we know we're speculating I think we'll be alright. lol
This channel is very unique and in depth. You could talk about any other case in history and I would watch.
Carry on watching!
Very good anaysis, although I very much doubt that Lechmere wrote the words where the cloth was found, or any of the letters.
Thank you for sharing your expertise. Your lectures and walks are fascinating. Would it be possible to share any information you have about Mr Lechmere between 1888 and 1920?
not sure if you're still actively looking at comments or not, I haven't seen the rest of the series yet but I've found it to be very interesting so far. There is something that does raise a bit of a red flag though. You seem to present the piece of artery found on the kidney as fact but those claims have been refuted on record, surely you should mention that?
This Has answer many questions I had. Thanks for this video 👍🏼
I find it hard to believe no one thought it was Lechmere before Holmgren theorized it. I wondered if Lechmere was the killer 25 years ago when I first became enamored by Jack the Ripper.
big fan of your videos :)
If broad shouldered man shouted lipski and didnt kill liz stride . The killer was there to hear him shout it and later play on the word with his chalk . Maybe he's mentioned in witness statements
I've never understood that changing of street names due to history I think they should stay the same
No matter where he goes Lechmere somehow, he is never yo far from the murders… a coincidence is highly unlikely
About Stride, in those 45 minutes he had to switch blades since the coroners claimed the blade used was different, he also had to switch clothes since descriptions of the man Eddowes was seen with differ from the one Stride was seen with and i dispute the idea throat cuts weren't common as there are several in the whitechapel murders file itself which are not attributed to the ripper.
Even in the murder of Nichols, a lot of suspicion placed upon Lechmere is based on the notion Nichols was still alive, which Robert Paul's inquest statements counter, he explicitely says he told the constable he encountered that the woman was dead, and was disappointed the constable didn't stop his wake-up call duties immediately. He explicitely also states "The woman was so cold that she must have been dead some time"
A statement that must be ignored to believe Lechmere is the likely culprit
Also once again it'z bizarre that Lechmere's lived here his entire life, is chatting up prostitutes in and around local pubs and nobody recognizes him, i can't name everyone in my area but i can surely recognize at least 2/3rs of them on sight especially the ones that have been around all my life and i'd be able to tell you that in my statement that X was a well-known local man, unless Lechmere was some kind of recluse that didn't go out very often, which is surprisingly uncommon for serial killers.
The one that makes most sense to me is William Bury, he lived nearby in Bow, and probably hung around Whitechapel, but spent his day-to-day far enough that most people in Whitechapel would not recognize him on sight, he's known to have murdered his own wife (herself a former prostitute) in similar fashion and contracted an STD shortly before the murder of Nichols took place, which may have caused some disdain for prostitutes in him, he had black hair, was relatively short and would've had a brummie accent which matches a lot of the descriptions from witnesses claiming black hair, short and foreign accent, which they might've just mistaken Brummie for a foreign accent
It makes sense to me that the killer wouldn't be committing the murders in his own backyard since he'd be recognized more often in such a place, often times they commit them nearby their home, but not in it, take Peter Sutcliffe for example, he always did his murders around his area of residence, but never actually in the same ward he lived in, same with Ted Bundy for instance, nearby but not in the same immediate area
They always operated within an hour of their local area, but not exactly in their immediate neighborhoods for fear of being recognized, there are ofc exceptions to this, but those are ones where the killings take place indoors, which is not the case with the Ripper
Nobody asked the carriage drivers in the area if any single men had commissioned their services on the nights of the murders and if so where did they go, or asking the constables if anyone was travelling out of whitechapel on the main roads around that time, that would've been a nice piece of intel to have on file, and if you consistently had someone travelling from Whitechapel to Bow at or around the time of the murders, then to me that would give enough proof that Bury did it, i don't think they even followed up on Bury and never asked around Bow to see if he was ever seen out late at night.
I do not however believe that Bury or the Ripper was responsible for the murders of Liz Stride and Mary Kelly, these ones i feel were done by other people, and though there is a different in M.O. between the other victims and Bury's wife, i think that can be explained by the fact that Bury was clearly disturbed at this point and potentially had written himself the graffiti on the wall that incriminated him as a kind of confession and mentioned the Ripper in his initial encounter with the police but then changed his mind and remained silent afterwards which indicates some kind of split personality or disturbance of some sort.
Additionally Ellen wasn't a random stranger, it was someone he knew well and so it's understable he'd either be more timid as if attempting to resist the impulse.
You have no idea whether or not bury ever went to Whitechapel... but I will do an episode on bury in due course
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I read somewhere that Abberline "interviewed witnesses in Whitechapel connected to Bury" it does not mention who these witnesses were and apparently the documentation regarding those and Bury's own interview seem to have been lost
Yes if this is false yes it's possible he never went there at all, but as Whitechapel was the closest big market and entertainment district and Bury had a reputation as a drinker i find it unlikely that he never went there.
You're correct that i don't know for certain and have no way of knowing, but it's a highly relevant possibility. Especially in the context of other mass murderers we do know of, which like i said tend to operate near their local area, but not exactly inside it, for among other things fear of being recognized
Looking forward to the episode on Bury then
I have never heard that Abberline interviewed anyone relating to Bury.
By the way, the knife thing between Stride and Eddowes is a myth. The coroners and doctors didn't say that different knives were used.
Correction Abberline interviewed three people that knew Bury in London after was arrested in Scotland but not in.any connection with Whitechapel
This series started off well but I think it's interesting that you've mentioned Lechmere less and less in each subsequent episode after Polly Nichols. Could this be because there's not enough evidence to support his involvement in these murders? I did appreciate the first two episodes and I think it's great that you've put the time into studying the case, but I don't think your theory of Lechmere as the killer holds water.
You mentioned that Lechmere's children went to the same school as Stephen Maywood's children and that because Maywood knew MJK, this means that Lechmere knew her too, but this is a huge stretch. School wasn't like it is these days, with parents all standing around chatting outside the gates; children would have walked to and from school alone from a very young age and I doubt they had PTAs etc like they do today. If parents did have any involvement at all, it would have been the mothers, not the fathers who would have been more likely to know each other. Many a conversation with my grand parents who grew up in London and were from working class backgrounds confirms this.
Also, in the Double Event episode you mentioned that Lechmere could have visited his mother that evening and that there was resentment between him and his mother's second husband, which led to him going off to kill Liz Strize and Catherine Eddowes. Its an interesting theory but that's all it is: a theory. How could we possibly know this? If the records from 1888 are so good, then maybe you can tell me when I last visited my parents and what we discussed? Let's not forget it's now 2021 and we have the internet plus socialmedia at our fingertips yet you would be unable to find this information.
I'd also be really interested to know what your sources are for the time that Lechmere started work at Pickfords for all the days when there were murders, the location of the Pickfords depots etc. I do think Lechmere is an interesting chap and should certainly be considered as a possible suspect but I think your interpretation of the evidence is flawed and tunnel visioned.
On a positive note, I liked the way you portrayed the characters with chess pieces, particularly when you demonstrated the finding of Polly Nichol's body and the comings and goings of Lechmere, Paul and the various police officers. Keep up the investigation!
Well said 👌
Again, well done. Really does help to see the geography of the scenes. A couple of questions: (I've always got questions. Sorry is some of them are uninformed. Thought I knew a lot about this case. Finding out I don't...) How tall was Lechmere? Did his description at the time match any of the witness descriptions? Also, you say here that the graffito was a about 4 feet off of the ground, but I've read and heard a number of experts (Sorry, can't remember exactly who. Been reading so much and listening to so many podcasts about the case lately trying to catch up with all the information...) say that it was actually much lower to the ground. Do you disagree with this or consider this a possibility.
From the only picture we have of lechemere it seems like he was a big guy, and old and big man
Hey Ed, I really like your videos. I saw Part 3 before but I missed the part about the time difference on Goulston Street. Really fascinating stuff. I need to get to London and make some videos about the Ripper and or Lechmere. I'm thinking about calling my channel Old Lechmere. It's sounds like a bottle of whiskey. Thanks.
This was amazing. Very enjoyable content, always though lechmere was responsible and having seen this 5 part series of yours am convinced he was the White Chapel murder.
I’m not sure any of the letters are genuine myself but they do make it sound more interesting
Your explanation for the graffiti makes sense.
Yes, and I think he’s right, except for one small point. The graffiti is not proper English, it has a double negative in it. English does not use double negatives, but Yiddish does. Some have theorized that a certain Jewish butcher who came under suspicion of being the Ripper wrote the graffiti after he murdered Eddowes in order to incriminate an anti-Semite. But I personally think the exact opposite was the truth. I think Lechmere was cunning enough to place this double bluff clue because he knew someone, maybe on the police force, would see through it and say “the Ripper must be a Jew trying to incriminate a Gentile,” when really it was a Gentile trying to incriminate a Jew pretending to be a Gentile. I always thought the graffiti was a red herring, the Ripper seemed to enjoy taunting the police as much as he delighted in murder and mutilation.
@@brianbommarito3376 Actually, the split double negative is a fairly common feature in the London (Cockney) dialect. As a lifelong Eastender, I’m sure it was Lechmere’s actual dialect. There’s nowt there to exclude Lechmere, but it’s still far from conclusive either way.
Hi Edward, I was wondering if you had any plans to do any videos,in the near future, on what you think are the connections between Lechmere and the Thames Torso murders. There's absolutely no videos ANYWHERE, on any channels covering it, and I'd *absolutely love* to hear your opinion.
I know you're probably a busy man, so I really hope I'm not pestering you..🤭
I was just wondering if you did have any plans to make a video on this.
Hope you're well..🙂👍
Hi
Check my channel... I've got a whole series on the Thames Torso murders and Lechmere
th-cam.com/video/wGReFBDR0eA/w-d-xo.html
I believe the "Mr. Lushk" letter to be genuine from the Jack T. Ripper!
So, if Lechmere visited his mother and became resentful, is your theory that he took a knife from his mother's house and went looking for a victim? Or did he have a knife with him when he left home, or go home and get a knife after leaving his mothers?
Who knows?
The amount of Jewish socialist (Communist?) and anarchist clubs in the area is pause for thought. They seem to be involved in a lot of unsavoury political activity in the area, especially when you think they have been given asylum in a safe country.
Oy vey!
Nothing so unsavoury as your comment.
😁😂😂🤣Ha ha ha ha ha, funny as!, Well done...🤣🤣
I love your analysis. For that reason I don’t mind doing some thinking myself. As per the apron piece and graffiti, to make the timing work the killer had to waste time somewhere as you point out. But in the moment why would he do that? Wouldn’t any killer want to make haste from the scene? How does it profit him to delay escape?
How tall was Charles Lechmere?
Very good Ed. Has anybody ever compared the Dear Boss Letter with Lechmere's signature? The Dear Boss, Saucy Jack, and From Hell letters all seem to have different handwriting. Thoughts?
Dear Boss and Saucy Jack are 'regarded' as having the same handwriting. From Hell is much briefer, poorly spelt and wild - which could be deliberate - although the writing is not actually that bad. I think that letter was written that way deliberately. We have a few Lechmere signatures but that's not much to go on.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 To me, The Dear Boss letter and Lechmere's signature seem like the closest matches. Lechmere had a distinctive upper case "C" and "L". I couldn't find those letters (in the upper case) in the Dear Boss letter though. I saw a show where Tumblety's signature was matched with the From Hell letter.
I'm lately of the opinion that handwriting analysis is overall a highly subjective discipline, especially when it comes to "matching" individual letters. This usually means selecting the few things that are consistent with what you're looking for while ignoring things that are inconsistent, which is unscientific on its face. To put it another way, if I were a judge, I wouldn't allow such evidence to be presented in my courtroom.
I'm much more convinced by idiosyncratic things like consistent verbiage and misspellings. But that requires a much longer piece of writing than a signature.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 he may have realised, late, that writing can be compared and used against you as evidence, so tried to confuse ,with hard to understand writing.
If he's cutting up horses for cat meat he wud separate the meat from the organs,
I'm not an expert on this case but have watched a decent amount over the years and like a good mystery.... is there anything that prevents it being Lechmere ? I always go to this now when looking at solutions. I.e He wasn't in the country , or he only had one arm etc...
There are facts that point to other people, but from what I know there's no reason why it couldn't have been him
Why would you suspect it wasn't the broad shouldered man,it makes perfect sense,he cut her throat from behind after pushing her to the ground which is exactly what Israel Schwartz saw (A woman being turned round and pushed to the ground). It was the ripper,he then left because he'd been seen by two men. You don't think that two men got the same woman from behind within 15 minutes of each other? The fact that writing in chalk about Jews was seen later after the ripper saw a Jew too in lipski also makes sense, you said so your self,it ties in with what you said about his character earlier setting up Paul with the murder of Annie Chapman.
I like the way you cover every eventuality but it surprises me you doubt the broad shouldered man with respect I think that's common sense it was him,but everything else,spot on.
several policeman past the street before long and saw nothing were they just not paying attention
That graffiti sentence structure is bizarre. Is it trying to say, Jews are innocent, or is it trying to say there's a reason they're blamed, implying 'here's this bloody piece of cloth as proof!' or is it saying they get away with everything? But it seems it wouldn't have been scrawled by a Jew. Or did a rag picker see the crime, took the cloth, and saying, obliquely to the real murderer, we're not going to be the fall guys . . . obviously in very poor English. A one and a half negative? Lol. Like I said, a bizarre thing to write from any vantage
To me what it's saying is language use from a ordinary cockney of the era living in the area is basically that the Jews won't accept blame for anything. Probably an annoyed customer that bought something or was charged for something that a Jew ripped them off over or they perceived to have been ripped off over. Perhaps writen earlier in the day after they had complained to the jew that their goods or service was faulty etc and instead of refunding them or making good upon it. The jew refused to accept any blame over it. So a typical cockney would likely use that type of wording. "That geezer won't be blamed for nuffink" is still a common ending to sentence "I ain't done nuffink!" one would say if caught maybe doing something. wrong. But one who had enough education to know how to spell the words like nothing correctly but not quite sure how to spell Jews. Not really surprising though as in that era they would have had no reason to ever write down the word Jews. They'd have been taught basic English, probably left school at 14 and only ever used writing for writing letters about just everyday things or for his profession. So all of the words in that sentence were commonly used words but Jews wasn't. It wasn't like education of today where we learn about religions of the world and the like.
We would really need to know how common graffiti with these types of messages etc was within that area to be able to determine how likely it was to have been the killer or not.
The way it's portrayed today is as if all the ways all around everywhere were blank and this was the only graffiti there was around and so it had to be connected. But if there was graffiti on virtually every wall in the area, even within that same doorway, doesn't have to be about Jews or the like, just any sorts of writing. Then it's much more unlikely to have any significance at all. He had just dropped the piece of apron there because it's the first place he felt alone & unseen while inside that passage way with walls either side, nobody behind or in front, so confident to just drop it there. It being dark he likely hadn't even noticed any graffiti.
Hi Edward. Like you, I firmly believe that Lechmere was the killer.
Do you happen to know the full names of his mothers husbands?
I know that his father John (Jack) died before he was 9.
His first step father (Thomas Cross) does not appear to have been an issue for Charles but I would be VERY interested to find out the names of the other husbands and find out their backgrounds (and whether her final husband who was with his mother and therefore daughter by proxy at the time of all the murders and whom was dead shortly after the killings stopped was Jewish). The fact that the killings stopped, I believe were due to either the loss of a daughter in 1890 providing the empathy he had previously lacked for the women or the death of his mothers final husband prior to 1891 (possible hatred from Lechmere).
His first step father (cross) also having been a police constable is also interesting.
If his last father in law was Jewish, this would add a lot more weight to the letters penned by Jack.
During that time, it was common for people whose second name was John to go by the monicker Jack and the killings going by the name Jack could be a sense of loyalty / tribute to his true father against those he disliked / blamed.
@ The House of Lechmere
Turns out that you have already answered my questions below and more in your brilliant conclusions in part 5 which I have now almost finished also. Great series of videos.
Thank you.
You have to wonder if any cannibalism was involved,beyond the need to possess certain parts of the victims as trophies.Though they may have just been woven into his sexual fantasies.Apart from Mary Jane Kelly he seems to have been operating at a very fast pace ,the kind of behaviour you would expect from a butcher or a slaughter-man who was watching the clock.
It's not a case of "some people just like to be contrary" - that is a rather silly dismissive comment. It's all opinion, and I am just not convinced he killed Stride. I'm not saying I know either way of course, or that I can't or won't change my mind. I go back and forth and currently I'm just not convinced he killed Stride.
Oh right
JT, The Lechmere crowd doesn't want to hear that. They are looking only for yes men. How dare you not comply. lol
love that organ
The two men must have a bond of some form ,probably a Gentleman and his coach team.
letchmere was near caught
he just began but had to think quick
Gregory Bathurst, That's a statement without proof.
Sorry Ed, now I understand why Lechmere took the bloody piece of apron with him. It was his calling card. He was saying he was the Ripper and he didn't like Jewish people. Lechmere was a racist also. And don't forget the word Lipski was written on a fense on Pinchin Street his stomping grounds.
Why did do think the murders Abruptly stopped considering Lechmere went on to live quite a long life?
Watch the series... I don't think it stopped abruptly
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I’ll do just that, thanks a lot mate and keep them coming
Interesting
Have you compared Charles lechmere’s handwriting to the from hell letter ?
No that writing is clearly written in a deliberately obscure manner
....they can't, they don't have a sample of Lechmere,aka Cross handwriting!🤦
@@501sqn3 yes they do , he wrote his name on the census.
@@ryanwilson368 He probably wrote his name on hundreds of things, but there aren't any examples available even the 'Lechmere loons" admit that!!
@@501sqn3 apart from the census writing I agree. I have seen it myself
Was Stride strangled? Wasn’t much taller than the other victims?
He wasn't the ripper it HH HOLMES. His killing style was same as ripper. Killed same way.
No. Wrong profile. Jack the Ripper’s victims were poor whereas H.H. Holmes killed as part of his efforts to swindle fortunes from the unsuspecting.
17:03 nope, he didnt write anything,
16:03 He had the bits wrapped in the apron in his pocket while he found a new girl to satisfy his need on because the first one was interrupted.
When you say apron, do you mean the shawl?
@@wendymortimer7966 very true. I think Polly was found with a pretty shawl tho and I was wondering if he was referring to that.
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The photo at 11:15, is that real ? If so, what was the purpose to photograph her in such a manner ? It looks as if she’s been positioned standing but for what purpose? Certainly not for her height, that could have been done as she lay at the medical examiner’s . Sad to be remembered thus.
They always take several photos of a deceased victim naked from several angles ect. I believe much of the evidence has been lost over time and perhaps thats the only surviving photo of her.
Was Elizabeth Long & Elizabeth Stride the same person! As Elizabeth Stride was also known as “Long Liz”. Was this because of some physical attribute? Maybe she was unusually tall for a woman which could be probable,when you take into account that she was of Scandinavian origin. Or was it because of maybe it was because of an Alias or association with a beau called Long. Either way to an observer it looks like Lechmere was trying to either incriminate or kill potential witnesses. Why would he do that if he’s innocent? It’s a theory,but it definitely gives you food for thought.
Hi Edward, A youtuber made a comment that got me thinking. He mentions that Rumbelow made a remark in one of his books that Cross made the offer to move (prop up) Nichols' body. If this is true, it seems to strike a bit of a blow against Holmgren's theory of not wanting to touch the body because, if he is the killer, he knows that If he moves it, the blood will show and Paul will know that a murder had been committed. I went to Cross' inquest testimony which describes the "witness" as making this remark and it seems obvious that the witness referred to is Cross. Thoughts?
Rumbelow's books are dated I'm afraid to say. Only a limited number of newspapers were available - mainly The Times. When all accounts are scrutinised it is clear that Paul tired to pull the dress down and suggested they prop up Polly. This is universally accepted now.
@French blue8 It's a very good theory. There are several though that think there's nothing there and Cross is just an innocent first witness.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Hi Edward, great series and keep up the good work. With Rumbelow's books being dated, which book would you recommend? Thanks
@French blue8 Rumbelow should write a new updated book. That book was my Ripper bible 30 years ago but now it is outdated. That first chapter is good though.
That’s clearly not the same handwriting…
If the chalk writing on the wall was from the killer the height of the writing would of been a clue, but who would stop to graffiti after a kill ?
Why did he stop ?
That’s the one thing that I can’t work out .
Definitely him for sure ..
He didn't
5:10 what's happening there 😅
So we know who Jack the Ripper is. This evidence seems like it’s good to enough to take to court
11:14 eeeek
45 minutes - " just the sort of time you would expect " Answers on a post card please .
Your question in the video should really be were the five canonical murders committed by the Ripper, the only ones he committed ? Word of mouth history, as told to me by my great grandfather, was no, they started earlier and finished later than reported. Please see my previuos post.
Watch my other videos where I do indeed discuss other videos.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Would be great if you could supply any Police or Journalistic evidence from the timespan to say the Whitechapel murders pre 1888 and those which occurred post 1888 are in fact linked as far as location, manner of death and region goes. Thanks, John
Hello Ed, I don't understand why Lechmere would of taken a piece of the apron with him when there were horse water troughs all over the city? And I'm sure he knew the locations of said water troughs. I can't imagine Lechmere walking down the street and a PC says to him, "what's that in your hands?"
Exactly the same argument applies to anyone else someone might suggest as the culprit, yet it seems the murderer did take tje apron piece away and leave it at Goulston Street.
And I would like to add though this is pure speculation that if Lechmere did stay at Pickfords for 45 minutes or so he probably got along with everyone. Why else would he go to Pickfords on his night off? To see his friends. They may have even called him Chuck.
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It would be very interesting if we could find any evidence that Lechmere was at his mothers or in the vicinity. Any actual records of his whereabouts etc. On another note, we agree on many things. The Graffiti was produced by JTR and so was the double event and also the likelihood that the letters were genuine in my opinion. For me to accept Lechmere I have to have something concrete placing him at one of the other murder sites, a sighting of him perhaps (besides Polly Nicholls).
That's unrealistic. Name another credible suspect at one crime scene.
@@eddybutler7229 He wasn't at the crime scene apart from Nichols just theory he was.
@@eddybutler7229 At least some of the other suspects have some tangible evidence. Aaron Kosminki and Carl Feigenbaum/WH Bury, proven ripper like murderers that were in whitechapel.
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There's no proof Feigenbaum was even anywhere in the British Isles.
Bury can't be placed in Whitechapel.
Kosminski is full of holes.
There is no tangible evidence against any of those.
It would be intresting and even impossible to find any evidence of any other suspects to be found within even yards of any of the victims? And yet we have a virtually unknown person 'Lechmere' up untill now suspiciously alone with a freshly murdered body and also seen and found by someone else... and dont forget the change of name? Going on that one murder alone it raises alarm bells? On just that one murder alone he can not be ruled out as the potential murderer as he was not brought before a court of law. And with all the other murder scenes he also had a good excuse and reason to be passing at the times of the murders which makes sense. I believe his quick thinking and smartness was enough to fool the people around him and escape the hangmans noose. Today it would be a different story.