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Good choice happy you kept the XR. Good Channel love all the research you do. I just bought a 2021 XR650L . reason was to replace my CRF250L for lack of power on the freeway. I Am 5ft 8in, weigh 150 pounds, 53 years old. Been wanting and XR over 20 years but everybody complains about the height and the weight and the soft suspension and been second-guessing myself. First ride today on my new XR and proved to myself that most everyone on TH-cam is most likely lacking experience. I've been riding since I was 18 years old and currently own five bikes. 1100 Shadow, 1200 Harley, 675 Triumph Daytona, CRF250L. First thing I noticed of course was the power which I definitely love especially after riding all my other big bikes. Second thing I noticed was how light and Nimble it feels even compared to my CRF250 probably because of the off-road design and extra power. As for the height I believe I will leave it alone and get used to it as it has not been that much of a problem so far. Even at 5 foot 8 in it is perfect for my style. I'm a mountain biker Runner hiker, hunter weight lifter, that might have something to do with it. Keep your body in shape if you notice all Motocross Riders have great physiques, short or tall. Great channel
Hi Gilbert. Thank you for the support and congrats on the XR! You made the right choice. You are 100% correct...there is nothing wrong with the bike. It is way lighter than most other 650 singles and has better suspension than most, but you need to know what you are doing (and be strong and fit) to ride it the way it was intended. I am also a runner and do some mountain biking to keep fit and hone my skills. But I need to work on my core strength and flexibility... both of which I've neglected for way too long and paying the price now (at 40!). I know I need to work on that (and my dirt riding skills) before I will fully enjoy the bike. I love learning though.
@@daltonshade2506 Thanks man! Yeah, on good gravel roads and tarmac, the bike is fun to ride hard. But on rough terrain, I will definitely need dirt tires to gain confidence. Cheers
i shaved the seat< bought a beat up one on ebay, down 2 inches what s difference although it compresses my knees by the same i am 6' 160pds 54yrs old you need experiene either way it gets a bad rap as some consider it a beginner bike for tall people no way maybe straight down the road! could go on and on but in the end you got your dream bike that those of us growing up on little Hondas dreamed about Godspeed and be safe
I had a DRZ and now have a new XR. I am on the short side so the seat was an issue for me on both bikes BUT the XR is like a tractor...you can lug it all day long and it just takes it the DRZ was not as tractor like. so some may not want that low end stuff but it is perfect for this 60 year old :)..gladd you are keeping it
Hilarious! I went through the same exact mental gymnastics with these two bike! Ended up sticking with the XRL, which is my second XRL. Don't think you can go wrong with either choice, but the simplicity and aftermarket options...and cult following, for the XRL are outstanding! I do all my own maintenance, and I find the XRL to be a joy to work on. One other thing worth noting: I occasionally like to take the wife on relaxing rides on dirt/4wd roads, and some trails. This is where I really appreciate the XRL torque at low rpms! If I need a fix in the fast technical terrain, I go to my lightweight, Beta 300. But if I had to give up one, it would be the less versatile 300.
I have a DRZ400 and love it. As much as I enjoy the low-end torque of the XR650 (It is HILARIOUSLY fun), it's heaviness and height make it a bull to pick up in the dirt. It is better suited to tall riders (6ft/180cm and above). The DRZ is already heavy enough to pick up, and since with a few mods it can put out as much power or more than the XR, then the DRZ is the choice for me. If I can only have one bike, the DRZ. But if I can have 2, then probably an XR650 or DR650 for longer trips, and a smaller dirt bike (250-350cc) for ripping around trails.
As someone who has owned all of the 650 dual sports and trained students offroad on the honda 250L. The small dual sports are amazing. So much easier on the aging body. However, you do lose the torque and highway smoothness. Where I live the trails are a minimum of 30 miles away on twisty beautiful paved roads. So i'm willing to work harder off-road for the better road manners. I currently own a heavily modded DR650 to make it behave off-road like XR650L. I will definitely go smaller as I get older. Currently 33 and those 300cc dualsports are looking really really tempting.
That was my thinking too. I just hit 40 and it is as if my body suddenly decided to punish me for any foolishness. I refuse to give in and just have to get stronger (and a better rider if I am keeping the XR650L!)🤣
I have both the xr and dr. I far prefer my dr to the xr. Where I live it's not open desert woops and ruts. It is tight and twisty stuff. The lower center of gravity on the dr is very noticeable compared to the xr which feels every pound of its top heaviness- even though the dr is significantly heavier.
I know it's been three years but, if you wait a little longer, it looks like the DR-Z400 will be available with fuel injection (and hopefully a 6th gear) for the 2025 year. Basically, it will be a better choice than the Kawasaki and Honda 300's. I also wish Yamaha would make the XT a 350 or at least a 325.
The DRZ400E is the bike you should try if available, 48hp this is the main version sold in Australia. Great bike and so many aftermarket parts available.
The same can be said about the DRZ! Both are great bikes but I’m a bit partial to the DRZ! It’s just lighter, better suspension, and with a few easy mods can also be more powerful.
Drz400 is very user friendly. All the controls on the bike are perfect. The bike feels great. D606’s can decrease on highway riding enjoyment. And you’ll always be looking for that 6th gear if you do any extended highway riding. It’s a very nice machine for its age. I love it. If you don’t do 80+mph on the highway it’s perfect. I road the dr650 and was disappointed. Next up is a test of the xr650l. I have hopes it will be for me. If not then back onto a drz it is. Stay safe out there.
I’ve never been on a DRZ and are still very keen to try it. But I like the XR’s simplicity (valve adjustment, aircooled). Let me know what you think once you’ve tested the XR. Would love to heard from someone who has ridden both. Cheers
Ive had two XL500R's, it got to a point where I had to make a decision, - either to stop throwing money at the last one (a 1982 one - my first one was a 1984), or to get something more modern. At 60 yrs old something I felt I'm getting too old to kick start the 500R, so something with an electric start. I've just bought a 2012 XR650L, and I am loving it to say the least. Once a Honda biker always a Honda. Absolute old Honda reliability.
Great video as always. I'm happy you are holding on the BRP. I'm a Honda guy, there is a reason they kept the design since 1993. Awesome channel, your interest and research on the 650L is inspiring.
Suzuki has never disappointed they make an incredible motorcycle all around. And I think you did a a great job of comparing the two bikes. However you really just cannot compare the two unless you're just talking about off-road. As soon as you're on the road there's just no comparison. You could potentially take an XR across the country if you are motivated enough. I would not want to do it on that 400. The amazing thing is they're both outstanding motorcycles and you couldn't go wrong either way :-) I'm heading out for my first ride of the spring today shout-out from Colorado!
i just got an XR650L. i am learning as well to handle it in the dirt. i am waiting for the new tires to arrive. (Tusk DSport tires). I am glad that you are staying with the Red one👍
Make some mods to your XR and you will be SO much happier!!! I noticed you haven't done anything to it yet. Since you drop it a lot, get a drop link for the suspension and raise your forks just a little. Since its so hot there, get a Sutton aftermarket oil cooler. Increase your range with a 4.7 gal Clark Tank. Almost everything you mentioned can be addressed with a few mods. The XR is a bullet proof beast and I think you would miss it in the long run. Love your vids! Glad you kept it!
Thanks, I appreciate the support! Yeah, I think I first had to fall in love with the bike before starting to mod it too much. I am getting there fast now. I watched Desert Riders (2003) of Chris Scott over the weekend. Damn, they did some awesome stuff with their 3 XRs.
Aloha, I got a XR650L in 2006 and loved it! The height, the power, easy maintenance. Rode it for six years. I had same challenge with trail rides and dropping it! It's top heavy and I'm 5'8", so hard to reach ground. I wish I kept it! Fast forward to my new 2020SM Supermoto. I put 75 miles on it and I'm loving my new ride! Started to add upgrades and can't wait to get her dialed in and on the road! If I had the option to have both bikes I would keep the two! That way I have the power of the XR650L Dual Sport on the trails and the handling of my DR-Z 400SM on the road! Good luck with your choice. 👍 808Hi 🤙
Thanks, Chell. I appreciate the info! I agree, both bikes is always the answer 😁 For now, I am just learning to wrestle this XR around (dropped it three times today shooting my next vid). The idea of an SM is awesome, but where I live there is not much use for it. The town is too small and the next town is 75 miles away. I'd still love to feel what the DRZ feels like in the dirt sometime. Maybe that will change my mind.
I have an XR650, I love it and I would get both. The DRZ is a great bike. I added a 1 gallon fuel can to the back, raised the handlebars 2 inches, deketed the smog and put a beefier counter sprocket on among other things
I still need to get bar risers... it is very uncomfy to stand for long. But it is a great bike. I also went for the wider CS sprockets.. and the smog delete and rejet
I’m thinking more and more about the XR650. I have an ‘06 KLR650 now, but when I wear it out, the XR650 will probably be my next 650cc bike. I appreciate your honest, informative reviews. Happy Trails
Thanks, Allen! Just like it took me a couple of months to fall in love with my 2007 KLR, I am starting to like this XRL more and more. The simplicity is the main attraction.
Years ago, I had a 1997 XR650L. I took that bike on many single track rides. I think Honda does a great job making a heavy bike feel lighter. Anyhoo, I swear I could go forever on a tank of gas with that bike. I ended up selling it and getting a XR650R. After uncorking the XR650R, you have a rocket. I still have that XR650R, which is a 2001; still going strong.
Love my drz, great dual sport and dirt bike. Works good as a adv bike too plenty of power for the hwy, just not the most comfortable for that, but can be done.
I'm 5'3 and 150 pounds. I ride mine all through the mountains and single track and my bike is not lowered. I even take my girl on the back through single track. Once you get better tires you will see the difference. I run kenda 270 5.10 in rear and 3.25 in the front. I can lay it down far on asphalt turns comfortably and it handles great on stone roads or dirt. Look into a fork brace at some point. Makes a huge difference in the front. You won't be constantly correcting the front wheel. I was gonna get a 400 and instead got another 650. I rode the 400. I was very dissapointed someone would try to say that the power was close enough. It's not. I like your videos, keep it up!
Hey, just a fan of the dirt riding, I thought Id mention a couple of things as Ive had about 10 years experience as an adventure/hard enduro rider. At first glance, your Honda 650l (and the drz400) doesn't look "set up" correctly for you personally, to ride in the dirt. It takes some time and effort to have a bike correctly set up from a factory or stock form and it genuinely makes a huge difference when it is done correctly. Simply changing the tyres, ride height, suspension and levers will significantly change your riding ability. The 650 may definitely be too big for tight trails and crazy hill climbs, but you may experience the same problems on your drz. Just food for thought, I personally ride a 300cc two stroke bike (which is a whole different world) for trail/hard enduro riding but this wont be suitable for a long adventure riding with heaps of highway riding. Hope this encourages you, love the channel and the video.
Hey, thanks man! I appreciate the encouragement! I have not really thought about suspension setup and sag etc... I should really look into it! Thanks. And the tires, yes. I will do some research and see how I can set up the bike better... will make a video on that and report back. Cheers
Hi, the XR is basically a ball and chain, your focus seems to be off-road, and it will always hold you back! I would go for the DRZ, it's not perfect, but a great compromise. I have neither of these two bikes, but am in a similar predicament, although I own both bikes. One is a 650 single that weighs about 10kg more than the other, which is a DRZ engined CCM. Important to remember that both bikes can go on a Diet not just the heavier of the two. You readily admit to being, let's say, an intermediate level rider, the DRZ will allow you you enjoy yourself and improve much more than a bike that keeps punishing your mistakes.
@@GreaseAndGravel I know, it's a frightening prospect, maybe regretting putting the XR out of reach. How about selling to a friend? Then maybe as you know where it is, it can always make a comeback? I think the top end rush of the DRZ will certainly compensate for the stump pulling torque of the XR. I think of it as almost two bikes in one, like Jeckyl and Hyde character, docile and manageble low down, quite hard to stall (especially with a flatslide carb like the CCM and the DRZ400E had), but plenty of fun stuff at the top end when you're in the mood to rip!
@@MarkDaleADV I keep swaying this way and that between the DRZ and the XR. As soon as I've ridden a DRZ I should be able to know immediately. Will see if I can find one close by to take for a spin close
I remember back in the good old days Honda had an XL350 (before they went to using suffixes). Too bad they eliminated the 350 class as it would likely be perfect.
Hahahaaa.. I just dropped my new 2021 xr650L climbing a ridiculously steep mining Jeep Road and put a dent on my tank. Also broke my clutch lever but luckily it barely worked to get me home. What an amazing bike on the dirt compared to my CRF250L. Love this new xr650.
Thanks for sharing! I did exactly the same on my first ride of my XR when I got it last year. Up a steep hill I shouldn't have tried and dropped it near to top. Bent the clutch lever good. I am glad to prefer it over the CRF250L. The bike does want you to do crazy stuff. Enjoy!
You will regret swapping the XR for a DRZ. I had a DRZ once, bought brand new from the local dealers. Long range tank and some minor mods. The DRZ seat is really crap in comparison to the XR seat. DRZ has a short ratio gearbox - you are changing gears all the time and it gets very buzzy at highway speeds. I sold the DRZ. I still have my XR650L. Managed to trim 13kg of weight from it too.
Thanks for the encouragement. Shedding 13kg makes it nearly the same as the DRZ400S. Yeah, I will hang on to it. Glad I did some research and read the comments before pulling the trigger.
Mind if I pick you brain on the weight shedding, I have found a few things on forums and from my friend who owns one but maybe you may have a mod I've over looked, so far I've got the battery box swapped put and relocated, the de-smog mod and I have a Q4 silencer on the back. I appreciate any feed back cheers
WRONG, it depends WHAT you need it for.......if you're doing more off-roading, 400cc is MILES ahead of a 650 pig, period, end of story.......if your doing Highway, 650 is better......but 650 will NOT keep up on rougher terrain, period......the 400 blows it away, you literally Float over everything off-road, the 650 is a pig, Like I said, you WILL be forced to go slower......massive difference.
I love Honda's I have a crf230l and a nc700x but I bought a drz400s last fall because it was much lighter than my nc700. I have never ridden a xr650l but having researched both bikes I agree with you that the xr is easier to set the valves. I have done many mods to my drz and have to say that it need a lot more mods than I think I would have made on a xr. But both bike are dead pan reliable and will serve you well from all I know about them. I don't think any one could go wrong with either of these bikes. In terms of having to hold back on the throttle because of to much torque I don't think a drz is going to be much different than the xr. Booth are very torquey and will easily lift the front wheel off the ground in 1,2 or,3rd gear. They are booth very powerful machines.
Thanks, John. I also don't think you could go wrong either way. Which mods did you do on the DRZ? I would have thought that the XR needed more mods. Probably depends on what you want to do with it. I went out practicing skid turns today, but phew... I got tired (physically) quite quickly throwing this thing around. Happy riding!
@@GreaseAndGravel The mods I have done are the covers on the side of the engine so the shift lever or brake lever don't puncture the engine case. Other mods where new handle bars, new tires, regulator, fuel petcock, jeting kit, rear rack, wind screen made from a plastic garbage can and a new radiator over flow container. I pulled the swing arm off and greased all the bearings. Replaced the rear brake flued container. I guess if you bought the bike new most of these mods I did would not have been needed and some where just personal preference.
@@johnpagejr.7628 I need to get engine covers and a skid plate now that you mention it! Bar risers are also necessary if you want to stand for more than a second or two. Actually glad you mentioned all the maintenance, as I need to grease all the bearing too but keep forgetting. Cheers
One thing that nobody considers is the premature wear of the cylinder liner on an air cooled engine, especially if your air filter is not optimally maintained.
I have a drz 400 and I love it a lot, but it does get just a little to vibby above 60 mph, totally doable but not comfy. she does great in the dirt but I want to have better highway performance and ease of maintenance. Not that the drz is hard, but there is just a little more to do. If I had the chance to trade someone an xr for mine I would do it in a heart beat.
Yo, just started into the duelsport world, every one said get an xr I did, but I know zero about motorbikes but have worked on pretty much everything else, cars trucks buses diggers etc, and the old checking the oil has me baffled, any chance you could give me your 2 cents on how you get an accurate reading, great vids cheers bud !
Thank, I appreciate it! Welcome to the DS world. The recommended procedure is to let the engine idle until warmed up (will vary due to outside temp). I just check after each ride as it's hot already. So I'll let the bike stand for 3-5 min after a ride and wipe the dipstick. Then insert it without threading it on (i.e. just flush with opening)... bike needs to be upright, so I sit on it. The oil should be close to the top. I always get an accurate reading this way, but have heard of riders having trouble. The oil capacity is about 2.1 quarts (2 liters). Enjoy the bike! Cheers
Both are great bikes but the old Honda 650 is my preference as I an an XR 600 owner. Last month I bought a new 2021 KTM 690 enduro and it's a nice bike but nothing like my Honda 600 in the dirt or single track. I tried to pick upnthe XR650L but asking prices were close to 11k and nothing was local. Ended ul.with the KTM because it was more local. Next year I might try the Honda 650
Wow, that is interesting. What makes the XR600 better in the dirt or single track. Most KTM riders disagree, but I guess they've not experienced the XR's low down torque before. I'd love an XR600, but they are quite rare here.
For me the choice was between a $4,700 DRZ with 6K miles and all of the correct mods done or an XR that was $9K out the door new. I would have bought the XR had it been the other way around. They are both similar, great bikes. Plus, the DRZ matched my helmet (kidding). Thx and cheers!
Both great bullet proof bikes and consider them tools for different jobs. If the XR is riding you, then it's not the right bike for you at this point. Riding a lower powered bike like the DRZ or WR250R will make you a better rider sooner then riding the XR that you don't feel comfortable with. Keep the XR for later and buy a DRZ now.
I am afraid you may be right. Riding a slower, lighter bike while I am still learning will be more fun and I'd progress faster. I'd hate to let this one go though. So I will either get a cheap 250 to play with, or I'll take my time and learn on this one. But I totally hear what you are saying.
Man, I've been battling with this question all fall and winter. Which of these two bikes do I get after not riding for 25 years. Do I get the more hwy worthy XR or the more nimble hooligan DRZ and relive my years spent on an RM125 😁. It's this question that brought me to your channel.
Wow, that is awesome. I've also had a break of nearly 10 years and got the XR by chance. I guess there will always be a compromise when it comes to choosing a bike (and the ideal solution is to have plenty of bikes... lol). I don't think you can go wrong either way. You can do the same stuff on both, but they just excel in different areas. I still want to own a DRZ someday. I'd actually not mind to get a two-stroke dirt bike too to fool around on. Which way is your decision currently leaning toward?
@@GreaseAndGravel ...ha ha, well when you put out a video I lean towards the XR. Then that Aussie dude (Apprentice Adventurer) puts one out and I'm back to the DRZ as it comes across as indestructible and easier to flick around. You see, it's not easy.☺
@@grandriver3152 I've also check out his DRZ vids. Still looks like a great bike. In terms of in reliability/durability, I think they are close (although the XR guys will definitely disagree). But I totally understand. If I didn't already have the XR, I would have had no clue which way to go. Luckily researching which one to get is part of the fun. At least you can't go wrong with either bike. Cheers
I just into dirt bikes about 2 years ago at 52. never road a dirt bike before. I had been riding a road bike for about 10 years before and of late an old 1200gs. with more dirt riding on it of late. I suggest being clear with your usage even if your horizon is a year. so I wanted to ride dirt and trails and was ok trailing my bike there. I didn't really care about age, make, model etc. just low cost an ongoing cost. I settled on a 2012 2 stroke ktm 250xcw. paid too much but that's life. it has been the best fun and skill for building exercise I have had. it's light. more power than I could ever use and I am amazed how my skills have developed and how much fun I have had in a safe way. in fact It has gave me the confidence to take the gs Offroad. so work out what is going to be the most fun and what you will actually do frequently. then fit the bike, any bike that's reliable. I don't think of the bike once on the trail. just the fun, adventure and company. My next desire now is to do more advanced adventure bike tours but with a smaller adventure bike. 250 to about 500. I think it will be fun, and I can forget the bike and focus on the adventure. so just do it
I'm looking at a smaller (read lighter!) off road bike - and have yet to pull the trigger. The CRF300L has the inside track for now. But a riding buddy has said to just learn to ride what you have. Easy for him to say, he had the DR350 at the time. About 200lbs lighter than the XR! In the end, I don't think I'll ever get into bombing on the dirt anyway; I'd just be buying into the idea, not really living it. People always mention their height when it comes to talking about seat height; while it's kinda important, the real data point that matters is your inseam. I've shrunk from 6'-2" to around 5'-11" (crushed back) but my inseam is still 36"+ so I can flat foot pretty much any bike. On the down side, there are way too many bikes that simply don't have the room to store my legs! Anyway, if you can afford it, I'll offer up the idea of scoring on a Suzuki DR-350. Not as easy to find, but much lighter, air cooled - basically it has going for it all the reasons you like the 650 - just not as good on the road (I can attest that it is plenty good for up 70mph so not that bad at all).
That's pretty much where I find myself. I will try and learn to ride this thing properly, but I doubt that I'd ever be able to ride it the way I would have liked to.
Good one fully boet. Just got my xr650L all farkled out, alles you name it. The xr is a super beast. I have learnt so much from you. Are you on wilddog forum? Your channel has a following there too. Cheers Jamaj
Thanks, Jamaj! I appreciate the support. I am learning as I go along :) I haven't been on the Wilddog forum for a while now (used to be a lot way back)... no reason really, just didn't think of it. I will check in again. Thanks for the reminder! Hope you are enjoying your XR! Cheers, F
@@GreaseAndGravel I just found your channel after seeing a gen 1 KLR on WD ;-) Not really thinking about it but always been a bit intrigued by the KLR's. I ride a R1200GS Rallye. Am in Stellenbosch. Where are you?
@@sgtunix I also didn't know much about the KLR when I got mine and I might actually get one again one day. I loved it. I moved to Hoedspruit from Stellenbosch 3 years ago :)
Good vid by the way. I would say throw away the spec sheets they don't tell the whole story. Like the peak torque figures don't illustrate that the XR produces much more lower down, you may think that is a good thing, but the softer power low down on the DRZ does aid traction. Conversely, I do like the XR for its oil cooled simplicity and reliability. I don't think you will have any problem with the DRZ motor though, other than you crashing and breaking a radiator! All the servicing intervals on these non competition engines are over hyped. Most of the time, it's just a valve check, the clearance is ok, and no adjustment is required. For this reason I'm building my own 350cc 130kg oil cooled carb dual sport bike.
Good point on the torque delivery. I am convinced the DRZ will be more manageable and that I'll learn faster. But it needs to be the right bike (i.e. is same good condition as my XRL). I do drop it often, which makes me glad that it has no radiator that can break. I see you also post some vids. You need to post some videos on your bike build!
Man keep the XR just lower it an in er two to make it more manageable it'll still have the same ground clearance as the DRZ and you can always make improvements to the suspension when you get to a point you need it simpler air-cooled bike about the same weight about the same ground clearance after lowering and it'll have a lower seat height Just no point in getting the DRZ
Get some riding appropriate tires already Turkey. You'll most likely crash alot less and will be able to control the power instead of just sitting there spinning your wheel. Turkey Love your videos
Yamaha TTR 250 with a 350 kit, amazes me I wonder why Yamaha haven't continued the TTR 350. early TTR's are unbreakable I have raced XR400's against DRZ400's the only thing is XR was kick start no electric start pain in the bum/right leg actually :) , traded it for a TTR 250 and could easily beat keep up with a drz 400 in the tight stuff, also raced an XR400 against a 650, kept up with them no problem but the 650 so much more torque XR650 great for long distance off-road but so heavy, give me a TTR any day even an old 250
@@GreaseAndGravel Yeah cool hope you have strong arms the XR 650's are crazy heavy they are perfect for long distance but a pain in gnarly off road stuff too heavy you will get tired easily still a great bike for desert etc I am in Western Australia, drop the tyre pressures and the XR will go anywhere
thanks for sharing. Considering getting an XR650L for dual sport riding adventures. I found a good deal and know I need to jump at it or it will sell quick
I just bought a 2022 DRZ400s and am very happy. I think it's all about what bikes you are used to and what you want to do with it. I come from a motocross background so the DRZ feels kind of heavy and very torquey. But I love it. I'm used to full throttle YZ250 2 strokes. Those bikes are screamers that you can race right out of the box. But the DRZ is awesome in it'd own right. I wanted the XR but couldnt find a new one.
All have pros and cons…I’ve owned multiple drz’s sm and s models over the years and enjoyed them all but they are still turds and heavy compared to more modern bikes. Same for the xr’s - owned 2 and sold them off similar to the drz’s in many ways they are very much alike with each being better in certain situations. I find the new Crf300l to be a great bike now but it of course lacks the power on the highway but great all around bike for the money
Put a 41 tooth sprocket on the drz 6100 rpm at 70 and no engine or carb mods and I eat both of my buddy's xr 650 and get 55mpg on highway does get buzzy and the seat was terrible. But I do like the xr's like they are
I realize this video is 2 years old, but my first immediate thought was, "You need to go to some real dirt bike riding schools. Ideally, some Trials classes first, then compare bikes."
Nonono, well yes you talk much, but too much. It's because you have alot to say, I'm the same way and in the case of motorbikes there's simply never enough talk about them. It's a philosophy to make songs about. Then your accent is very rare so personally I enjoy listening.
While I love the XR650L more and more, I still believe I'd have more fun on a 250. I'll give it a few months to see if I can build my skills until the 650 is not as intimidating anymore 🤣
@@GreaseAndGravel I've been looking at the new Honda crf300l I like the idea of some more cc but the weight is right up their nearly weighs as much as a xr600
I was going to get one of the new 300’s, but they are somewhat under powered and weigh the same as a Drz. So Saturday I picked up a new Drz400. It’s an awesome bike. Traded in my Klr and the Drz feels like a mountain bike in comparison.
I owned a drz 400 e converted to it to street legal and it was a nice bike but I sold it and now looking for a xr650l. Or a xr650r if I find the right R
@@94SexyStang that's why I want the xr650r, that bike is bad ass maybe a slower acceleration but higher top speed and much more capable for what I want. There is nothing wrong with the drz but there are better bikes out there.
The suspension on the DRZ SUCKS compare to the XR . The cargo load your good for 300pds on the XR . Fuel tank go aftermarket 4.5 or 5 gal . No more range issues . Your last comment was the best . Stop being a P••••y . I gotta do the samething. Due to I'm 6ft and 300pds not to many duel purposes out there for fattys. So it was a toss up between the DR650 or XL650 since I only want off road riding being single track or fire roads and everything in between . I like the new 300L but weak suspension and small motor or I can spend 13k + to smash it into mother earth and hope I don't destroy any of the coolant products lol lol . Keep Going Red 💪
I have both a Drz400 and the Honda. You don't know how to set the DRZ up if you think the Honda is better. Now if we're talking power or comfort, you'd be correct.
@jdkrxw My 1990 DR350s is better than the DRZ . Why did they switch over ? I can't say one good reason . It's more comfortable and very close to power . But definitely better torque due to the DR350s has a 6 speed .
I do a lot of supermoto trackdays and racing on my DRZ and an theres a guy that's always at the track with his xr650l, so naturally as the only 2 guys on streetbikes, we are unofficial rivals. It's all love tho, this is just amateur farting around. I think I got a clean pass on him once during a race a couple seasons ago, but since then he moved to slicks and I can't hang with him. Maybe someday I'll do the same and see if I can catch him again. haha
I like the DRC but in this case I’d stick with the 650 because of the way I ride. I’m not riding motocross so I don’t need a little skinny hard seat I like the riding position on the XR or XL bikes they just need a 350 or 400 option Keep a nice big cushy seat the easy riding position the softer suspension which isn’t great for jumping and motocross but is much nicer on almost everything else and I think that’s what more people would want because when they have the DRC or the CRF they complain about how uncomfortable they are and with all the tech on them it’s cool and all but why would you want all that tack on a motocross bike that you’re going to trash and if that’s not the way you ride then why do you want motocross positioning and seats that are incredibly uncomfortable on longer rides. Maybe I’m wrong but they’re all great bikes but I think Honda kind of dropped the ball when they got rid of these models. If you go back to the early 80s you can get 75 and 80 a 100 a 125 a 185 a 200 a 250 a 350 a 400 for one or two years a 500 and 600 which eventually turned into the XR 650 L. The great thing about these bikes is they were a true dual sport bike that a nice comfortable seat a good riding position and we’re a Street themed version of the XR series which was kind of a every man’s more fun dirtbike as opposed to being the CR which was more race. The XR was just a good woods bike it was comfortable and easy to ride I just wore an all-around bike, the XL version was street legal with a little wider gear ratio for the streets. The only thing they were lacking was an electric start option. Spence gym wasn’t amazing it wasn’t a jumping bike but soaked up the potholes in the bumps on the dirt roads in the ruts and they did pretty good and they were nice and comfortable in the street the seats were comfortable the riding position was comfortable the power band was nice and wide and You had great torque and you had a ton of options to get the perfect size for everybody. Then all of a sudden you could only get the 250 and the 600 or 650 and they were several years you were kind of stuck there and the CRF is cool but I think the XR styling is just more practical for most riders. Especially if you’re gonna go out and put some miles on it. I can ride that XR 650 for three or four hours I can drive a couple hours do some mountain trails ride through the woods and ride a couple more hours home on the streets and it does pretty good on all of them. DRZ will do it but it’s going to be very uncomfortable And the CRF in the Cadillac send the rest of them. I just think these were a better all purpose type bike and for what you’re talking about here I would stick with the XR myself though the DRZ has a good choice because it’s more manageable power yet plenty of power to do what you need they just need better seat and six gears. The DRZ will probably be more nimble on the rust stuff but everywhere else that XR is going to be way better in my opinion so people should pick what’s gonna work for the riding but all the manufactures sort of dropped the ball on the mid range multipurpose bikes like this, bring back an XL or XR 350 or 400 L, just update the DRS 350 and get rid of the glitches and I think it’s a better bike than the DRC 400 unless you’re trying to use it for motocross racing and the Cadillacs and the CRF are kind of the same thing both are under powered and lack torque enough for a big rider or two people and they got a lot of new stuff to break and they’re just not as fun or comfortable or easy to ride but they’re not that bad either I just think an XR 350 L or an XR 400 L would be more desirable to a whole lot of people. When you compare the horsepower and torque between the two you can’t just go by numbers. The DRC‘s got a pretty decent wide power band but not like the XR, it’s just a whole different kind of power and the torque ranging that is very wide. I got the two-stroke you’ve got to constantly be shifting and stay in your power band, you don’t on these if you’re into high ever gear you just keep the gas on and wait a second and it’ll get there it’s not gonna stall you out or bother slow down it’ll just clunk through it for a second and catch up because it’s got that all day to work. The DRC is pretty good with the way torque band but it’s not even close. So you’re gonna have to pay more attention to your gears especially because you’ve only got five of them and you’re gonna have to downshift a lot more come on the hill comes up with the XR are you just give it more gas and it’ll go. So going by the numbers doesn’t always work because those are peak numbers at a certain RPM. I think the XR 650 numbers are rated at something like 7000 RPM, you almost never get this bike up to 7000 RPM unless you’re pushing it really really hard so the peak horsepower doesn’t mean anything do you wanna really look at the power bands, the XR makes its torque very low and keeps it going for a long time so even though the numbers are still pretty close when you look at the weight ratios it’s definitely not the same thing but the DRC is pretty decent, I’m sure if somebody’s racing and really picky about it they’ll complain but both of them but I think they’re both great bikes but when you ride them the XR performs a lot better than you think it would through the DRZ performs about where you think it would. So on paper do you thinking it’s not gonna make a lot of difference but depending on how you’re writing it could be a huge difference but you’re pretty thin and light so if you don’t mind it being uncomfortable and only having five gears the DRZ is a pretty viable option, but that Honda to work is just really nice especially if you’re a bigger guy or carrying a lot of luggage or a second person with you and in that case I’ll take the XR all day long, if you’re just riding by yourself and you’re looking for a more technical motocross type bike than the DRC is that as long as you’re moving and not doing real slow technical stuff but for almost everything else I like the XR better myself. I just wish they had an XR 400 L I like this video a lot of these comparisons don’t make any sense at all but I like this and these are two of my favorite bikes and it’s a realistic comparison if you’re going to look at an XT 250 versus an XL 250, it’s pretty much the same thing just different manufacturers but they’re very very close so you can pick the one that looks better they’re both great bikes that feel and drive almost identically but this is enough of a difference to actually give a real perspective and enough of a difference to give you a different writing experience, if you were testing the DR 650 against the XR 650, there’d be very little difference. So I think what you’re talking about having a little smaller more manageable bike the DRZ is a good option I just wish they had an XL 400 option because that would get rid of all the shortcomings of the DRZ 400 I always go back and forth on the water cooling. On some bikes I like it but something like this I just rather not deal with it. You can overheat these but I think a couple years they had an oil cooler on it but they were aftermarket oil coolers to keep it a little bit cooler and Water just adds a lot more parts and a lot more than breaking a lot more maintenance and it’s nice but small little it’s just more to deal with especially when they get older you start worrying about hoses and leak send I think the air cooled in the end or just a lot easier, you talked about the valves and all. It’s on the engines even cents I think about 73 I’m pretty much the same and L worked really well, around 83 most of the models came in with the newer vowel styles but they’ve always been great engines and they run forever. I’ve seen an XL 600 with 140,000 miles on it and it ran great. The water cool does it give you an advantage and so does all of electronics but oil coolers are easy and last forever and a small you don’t have to worry about a fan or coolant and it’s not a super high pressure system where you have to worry about leaks as much as water cooled, some tech is very cool and does offer an advantage but at the same time Ken isn’t worth the hassle. The radiators in the way and it’s just a pain to deal with all the extra parts on there. These are easy to work on and if you take care of them change your oil keep your filter clean just your vowels every few thousand miles you’re good and there’s not much else you need to do so you can just drive all the time. The only exception would be with carburetors and newer gas you don’t wanna let it sit around so you have to winterize it but just turn off your gas and let it run out before you stick it in the garage but they’re just incredibly easy to run, if it’s not starting it check your spark plug and make sure it’s getting gas and you’re good that you almost have to crash it to break it or just not do any maintenance and run it without a well these things are tough. I think the DRC is pretty tough too but it’s not unusual to see an old Honda XL with 100,000 miles on it and you see tons of them with 40 and 60,000 miles on them and that’s also great for buying used. If I see a CRF or a KLX with 20,000 miles on it i’m just gonna look for something different but 20 or 30,000 miles on an XR 650 L or the old XL‘s is nothing and with the ease of maintenance it just makes it incredibly easy to own and cheap and never have to worry about it you just jump on and go and they just sort of always work. The older models are hard to kickstart sometimes but if you know how to Use the compression release correctly it wasn’t bad but we never had to work on them and I’m glad they still have the XR 650 L around I wish they bringing a few more sizes with the same thing
I had a DRZ400 some years ago. I found it grossly underpowered even after a pile of mods. As well there was no way to gear it for the highway and the dirt - it needed a sixth gear.
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Good choice happy you kept the XR. Good Channel love all the research you do. I just bought a 2021 XR650L . reason was to replace my CRF250L for lack of power on the freeway.
I Am 5ft 8in, weigh 150 pounds, 53 years old. Been wanting and XR over 20 years but everybody complains about the height and the weight and the soft suspension and been second-guessing myself. First ride today on my new XR and proved to myself that most everyone on TH-cam is most likely lacking experience. I've been riding since I was 18 years old and currently own five bikes. 1100 Shadow, 1200 Harley, 675 Triumph Daytona, CRF250L. First thing I noticed of course was the power which I definitely love especially after riding all my other big bikes. Second thing I noticed was how light and Nimble it feels even compared to my CRF250 probably because of the off-road design and extra power. As for the height I believe I will leave it alone and get used to it as it has not been that much of a problem so far. Even at 5 foot 8 in it is perfect for my style. I'm a mountain biker Runner hiker, hunter weight lifter, that might have something to do with it. Keep your body in shape if you notice all Motocross Riders have great physiques, short or tall. Great channel
Hi Gilbert. Thank you for the support and congrats on the XR! You made the right choice. You are 100% correct...there is nothing wrong with the bike. It is way lighter than most other 650 singles and has better suspension than most, but you need to know what you are doing (and be strong and fit) to ride it the way it was intended.
I am also a runner and do some mountain biking to keep fit and hone my skills. But I need to work on my core strength and flexibility... both of which I've neglected for way too long and paying the price now (at 40!). I know I need to work on that (and my dirt riding skills) before I will fully enjoy the bike. I love learning though.
I'm 5'3 after I stretch and 150lbs. I take mine everywhere and with my girl on the back. Good tires and confident riding and you will be fine
@@daltonshade2506 Thanks man! Yeah, on good gravel roads and tarmac, the bike is fun to ride hard. But on rough terrain, I will definitely need dirt tires to gain confidence. Cheers
i shaved the seat< bought a beat up one on ebay, down 2 inches what s difference although it compresses my knees by the same i am 6' 160pds 54yrs old you need experiene either way it gets a bad rap as some consider it a beginner bike for tall people no way maybe straight down the road! could go on and on but in the end you got your dream bike that those of us growing up on little Hondas dreamed about Godspeed and be safe
I had a DRZ and now have a new XR. I am on the short side so the seat was an issue for me on both bikes BUT the XR is like a tractor...you can lug it all day long and it just takes it the DRZ was not as tractor like. so some may not want that low end stuff but it is perfect for this 60 year old :)..gladd you are keeping it
Thanks, Jeeper. I appreciate the comment. That is good to know, that you like the XR after having a DRZ before. The torque is addictive. Cheers
Glad you’re sticking with the XR 👍
Thanks, Evan! The comments on some of my previous videos convinced me.
Hilarious! I went through the same exact mental gymnastics with these two bike! Ended up sticking with the XRL, which is my second XRL. Don't think you can go wrong with either choice, but the simplicity and aftermarket options...and cult following, for the XRL are outstanding! I do all my own maintenance, and I find the XRL to be a joy to work on. One other thing worth noting: I occasionally like to take the wife on relaxing rides on dirt/4wd roads, and some trails. This is where I really appreciate the XRL torque at low rpms! If I need a fix in the fast technical terrain, I go to my lightweight, Beta 300. But if I had to give up one, it would be the less versatile 300.
I have a DRZ400 and love it. As much as I enjoy the low-end torque of the XR650 (It is HILARIOUSLY fun), it's heaviness and height make it a bull to pick up in the dirt. It is better suited to tall riders (6ft/180cm and above).
The DRZ is already heavy enough to pick up, and since with a few mods it can put out as much power or more than the XR, then the DRZ is the choice for me. If I can only have one bike, the DRZ. But if I can have 2, then probably an XR650 or DR650 for longer trips, and a smaller dirt bike (250-350cc) for ripping around trails.
As someone who has owned all of the 650 dual sports and trained students offroad on the honda 250L. The small dual sports are amazing. So much easier on the aging body. However, you do lose the torque and highway smoothness. Where I live the trails are a minimum of 30 miles away on twisty beautiful paved roads. So i'm willing to work harder off-road for the better road manners. I currently own a heavily modded DR650 to make it behave off-road like XR650L. I will definitely go smaller as I get older. Currently 33 and those 300cc dualsports are looking really really tempting.
That was my thinking too. I just hit 40 and it is as if my body suddenly decided to punish me for any foolishness. I refuse to give in and just have to get stronger (and a better rider if I am keeping the XR650L!)🤣
Wish other channels gave the review you give. Excellent review.
I have both the xr and dr. I far prefer my dr to the xr. Where I live it's not open desert woops and ruts. It is tight and twisty stuff. The lower center of gravity on the dr is very noticeable compared to the xr which feels every pound of its top heaviness- even though the dr is significantly heavier.
I know it's been three years but, if you wait a little longer, it looks like the DR-Z400 will be available with fuel injection (and hopefully a 6th gear) for the 2025 year.
Basically, it will be a better choice than the Kawasaki and Honda 300's.
I also wish Yamaha would make the XT a 350 or at least a 325.
The DRZ400E is the bike you should try if available, 48hp this is the main version sold in Australia. Great bike and so many aftermarket parts available.
I still want one someday! They sound awesome
The XR has great bones. With a few modifications you can transform it into anything you want.
I am so grateful that they kept it so simple over the years. Liking it more every day.
The same can be said about the DRZ! Both are great bikes but I’m a bit partial to the DRZ! It’s just lighter, better suspension, and with a few easy mods can also be more powerful.
Drz400 is very user friendly. All the controls on the bike are perfect. The bike feels great. D606’s can decrease on highway riding enjoyment. And you’ll always be looking for that 6th gear if you do any extended highway riding. It’s a very nice machine for its age. I love it. If you don’t do 80+mph on the highway it’s perfect. I road the dr650 and was disappointed. Next up is a test of the xr650l. I have hopes it will be for me. If not then back onto a drz it is. Stay safe out there.
I’ve never been on a DRZ and are still very keen to try it. But I like the XR’s simplicity (valve adjustment, aircooled). Let me know what you think once you’ve tested the XR. Would love to heard from someone who has ridden both. Cheers
And what do you think?
@@theyeetus1428 xr650l not bad. Got an xr650r. Still haven’t rode it yet been doing street conversion
Ive had two XL500R's, it got to a point where I had to make a decision, - either to stop throwing money at the last one (a 1982 one - my first one was a 1984), or to get something more modern. At 60 yrs old something I felt I'm getting too old to kick start the 500R, so something with an electric start. I've just bought a 2012 XR650L, and I am loving it to say the least. Once a Honda biker always a Honda. Absolute old Honda reliability.
I miss my 2012 XR650L a lot!! Enjoy yours!
Great video as always. I'm happy you are holding on the BRP. I'm a Honda guy, there is a reason they kept the design since 1993. Awesome channel, your interest and research on the 650L is inspiring.
Thanks, I really appreciate the support! I've also always been a Honda fan, but have never owned one until now. I love the older technology.
he should remove the battery box
The XRR is the BRP not the XRL lots of people mix it up
Suzuki has never disappointed they make an incredible motorcycle all around. And I think you did a a great job of comparing the two bikes. However you really just cannot compare the two unless you're just talking about off-road. As soon as you're on the road there's just no comparison. You could potentially take an XR across the country if you are motivated enough. I would not want to do it on that 400. The amazing thing is they're both outstanding motorcycles and you couldn't go wrong either way :-) I'm heading out for my first ride of the spring today shout-out from Colorado!
i just got an XR650L. i am learning as well to handle it in the dirt. i am waiting for the new tires to arrive. (Tusk DSport tires). I am glad that you are staying with the Red one👍
Congrats & enjoy the XR!!
Make some mods to your XR and you will be SO much happier!!! I noticed you haven't done anything to it yet. Since you drop it a lot, get a drop link for the suspension and raise your forks just a little. Since its so hot there, get a Sutton aftermarket oil cooler. Increase your range with a 4.7 gal Clark Tank. Almost everything you mentioned can be addressed with a few mods. The XR is a bullet proof beast and I think you would miss it in the long run. Love your vids! Glad you kept it!
Thanks, I appreciate the support! Yeah, I think I first had to fall in love with the bike before starting to mod it too much. I am getting there fast now. I watched Desert Riders (2003) of Chris Scott over the weekend. Damn, they did some awesome stuff with their 3 XRs.
Aloha, I got a XR650L in 2006 and loved it! The height, the power, easy maintenance. Rode it for six years. I had same challenge with trail rides and dropping it! It's top heavy and I'm 5'8", so hard to reach ground. I wish I kept it! Fast forward to my new 2020SM Supermoto. I put 75 miles on it and I'm loving my new ride! Started to add upgrades and can't wait to get her dialed in and on the road! If I had the option to have both bikes I would keep the two! That way I have the power of the XR650L Dual Sport on the trails and the handling of my DR-Z 400SM on the road! Good luck with your choice. 👍
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Thanks, Chell. I appreciate the info! I agree, both bikes is always the answer 😁 For now, I am just learning to wrestle this XR around (dropped it three times today shooting my next vid). The idea of an SM is awesome, but where I live there is not much use for it. The town is too small and the next town is 75 miles away. I'd still love to feel what the DRZ feels like in the dirt sometime. Maybe that will change my mind.
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I have an XR650, I love it and I would get both. The DRZ is a great bike.
I added a 1 gallon fuel can to the back, raised the handlebars 2 inches, deketed the smog and put a beefier counter sprocket on among other things
I still need to get bar risers... it is very uncomfy to stand for long. But it is a great bike. I also went for the wider CS sprockets.. and the smog delete and rejet
You made the right choice Just for a reason number two LOL I can’t get over that bright yellow.
Yes!! Someone gets it!!! 😂👊
I’m thinking more and more about the XR650.
I have an ‘06 KLR650 now, but when I wear it out, the XR650 will probably be my next 650cc bike.
I appreciate your honest, informative reviews.
Happy Trails
Thanks, Allen! Just like it took me a couple of months to fall in love with my 2007 KLR, I am starting to like this XRL more and more. The simplicity is the main attraction.
Years ago, I had a 1997 XR650L. I took that bike on many single track rides. I think Honda does a great job making a heavy bike feel lighter.
Anyhoo, I swear I could go forever on a tank of gas with that bike.
I ended up selling it and getting a XR650R. After uncorking the XR650R, you have a rocket.
I still have that XR650R, which is a 2001; still going strong.
Love my drz, great dual sport and dirt bike. Works good as a adv bike too plenty of power for the hwy, just not the most comfortable for that, but can be done.
I'm 5'3 and 150 pounds. I ride mine all through the mountains and single track and my bike is not lowered. I even take my girl on the back through single track. Once you get better tires you will see the difference. I run kenda 270 5.10 in rear and 3.25 in the front. I can lay it down far on asphalt turns comfortably and it handles great on stone roads or dirt. Look into a fork brace at some point. Makes a huge difference in the front. You won't be constantly correcting the front wheel. I was gonna get a 400 and instead got another 650. I rode the 400. I was very dissapointed someone would try to say that the power was close enough. It's not. I like your videos, keep it up!
Thanks for the support! And for the info on the 400. I am looking to fit Dunlop D606s next. Can't wait to feel the difference
Both are great bikes. Be happy you have one or the other.
Agreed!
Hey, just a fan of the dirt riding, I thought Id mention a couple of things as Ive had about 10 years experience as an adventure/hard enduro rider. At first glance, your Honda 650l (and the drz400) doesn't look "set up" correctly for you personally, to ride in the dirt. It takes some time and effort to have a bike correctly set up from a factory or stock form and it genuinely makes a huge difference when it is done correctly. Simply changing the tyres, ride height, suspension and levers will significantly change your riding ability. The 650 may definitely be too big for tight trails and crazy hill climbs, but you may experience the same problems on your drz. Just food for thought, I personally ride a 300cc two stroke bike (which is a whole different world) for trail/hard enduro riding but this wont be suitable for a long adventure riding with heaps of highway riding. Hope this encourages you, love the channel and the video.
Hey, thanks man! I appreciate the encouragement! I have not really thought about suspension setup and sag etc... I should really look into it! Thanks. And the tires, yes. I will do some research and see how I can set up the bike better... will make a video on that and report back. Cheers
@@GreaseAndGravel you are a fantastic guy, thanks for your response! great videos and love the enthusiasm :)
@@boschtube05 Thanks for the support and kind words! Cheers 👊
Yay! Definitely a keeper! Build more confidence on it. Great bike!
Thanks, man. I just need to practice my skills. It already feels way more manageable than a few months ago.
Hi, the XR is basically a ball and chain, your focus seems to be off-road, and it will always hold you back! I would go for the DRZ, it's not perfect, but a great compromise. I have neither of these two bikes, but am in a similar predicament, although I own both bikes. One is a 650 single that weighs about 10kg more than the other, which is a DRZ engined CCM. Important to remember that both bikes can go on a Diet not just the heavier of the two. You readily admit to being, let's say, an intermediate level rider, the DRZ will allow you you enjoy yourself and improve much more than a bike that keeps punishing your mistakes.
Thanks for the comment. I hear your point on the smaller DRZ, but am worried that I'll miss my XR650L too much :)
@@GreaseAndGravel I know, it's a frightening prospect, maybe regretting putting the XR out of reach. How about selling to a friend? Then maybe as you know where it is, it can always make a comeback? I think the top end rush of the DRZ will certainly compensate for the stump pulling torque of the XR. I think of it as almost two bikes in one, like Jeckyl and Hyde character, docile and manageble low down, quite hard to stall (especially with a flatslide carb like the CCM and the DRZ400E had), but plenty of fun stuff at the top end when you're in the mood to rip!
@@MarkDaleADV I keep swaying this way and that between the DRZ and the XR. As soon as I've ridden a DRZ I should be able to know immediately. Will see if I can find one close by to take for a spin close
I remember back in the good old days Honda had an XL350 (before they went to using suffixes). Too bad they eliminated the 350 class as it would likely be perfect.
You are right regarding the valve adjustment but it should also be noted that the drz 400s manual indicates valve inspections every 24000 km
That makes a difference... thanks for the info!
Hahahaaa.. I just dropped my new 2021 xr650L climbing a ridiculously steep mining Jeep Road and put a dent on my tank. Also broke my clutch lever but luckily it barely worked to get me home. What an amazing bike on the dirt compared to my CRF250L. Love this new xr650.
Thanks for sharing! I did exactly the same on my first ride of my XR when I got it last year. Up a steep hill I shouldn't have tried and dropped it near to top. Bent the clutch lever good. I am glad to prefer it over the CRF250L. The bike does want you to do crazy stuff. Enjoy!
good see see that you stuck with the xr 650l
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Thanks, Derek! The XR community was the thing that made me reconsider.
You will regret swapping the XR for a DRZ. I had a DRZ once, bought brand new from the local dealers. Long range tank and some minor mods. The DRZ seat is really crap in comparison to the XR seat. DRZ has a short ratio gearbox - you are changing gears all the time and it gets very buzzy at highway speeds. I sold the DRZ. I still have my XR650L. Managed to trim 13kg of weight from it too.
Thanks for the encouragement. Shedding 13kg makes it nearly the same as the DRZ400S. Yeah, I will hang on to it. Glad I did some research and read the comments before pulling the trigger.
Mind if I pick you brain on the weight shedding, I have found a few things on forums and from my friend who owns one but maybe you may have a mod I've over looked, so far I've got the battery box swapped put and relocated, the de-smog mod and I have a Q4 silencer on the back. I appreciate any feed back cheers
WRONG, it depends WHAT you need it for.......if you're doing more off-roading, 400cc is MILES ahead of a 650 pig, period, end of story.......if your doing Highway, 650 is better......but 650 will NOT keep up on rougher terrain, period......the 400 blows it away, you literally Float over everything off-road, the 650 is a pig, Like I said, you WILL be forced to go slower......massive difference.
Great content! Don’t change a thing.
Thanks, Len. I appreciate it! That is just the encouragement I needed. Cheers
I love Honda's I have a crf230l and a nc700x but I bought a drz400s last fall because it was much lighter than my nc700. I have never ridden a xr650l but having researched both bikes I agree with you that the xr is easier to set the valves. I have done many mods to my drz and have to say that it need a lot more mods than I think I would have made on a xr. But both bike are dead pan reliable and will serve you well from all I know about them. I don't think any one could go wrong with either of these bikes. In terms of having to hold back on the throttle because of to much torque I don't think a drz is going to be much different than the xr. Booth are very torquey and will easily lift the front wheel off the ground in 1,2 or,3rd gear. They are booth very powerful machines.
Thanks, John. I also don't think you could go wrong either way. Which mods did you do on the DRZ? I would have thought that the XR needed more mods. Probably depends on what you want to do with it. I went out practicing skid turns today, but phew... I got tired (physically) quite quickly throwing this thing around. Happy riding!
@@GreaseAndGravel The mods I have done are the covers on the side of the engine so the shift lever or brake lever don't puncture the engine case. Other mods where new handle bars, new tires, regulator, fuel petcock, jeting kit, rear rack, wind screen made from a plastic garbage can and a new radiator over flow container. I pulled the swing arm off and greased all the bearings. Replaced the rear brake flued container. I guess if you bought the bike new most of these mods I did would not have been needed and some where just personal preference.
@@johnpagejr.7628 I need to get engine covers and a skid plate now that you mention it! Bar risers are also necessary if you want to stand for more than a second or two. Actually glad you mentioned all the maintenance, as I need to grease all the bearing too but keep forgetting. Cheers
One thing that nobody considers is the premature wear of the cylinder liner on an air cooled engine, especially if your air filter is not optimally maintained.
Ah, thanks for that! Good point!
How oft should you maintenance the air filter?
🤔 30k on mine and still going strong..
Still fat more reliable than many bikes
I have a drz 400 and I love it a lot, but it does get just a little to vibby above 60 mph, totally doable but not comfy. she does great in the dirt but I want to have better highway performance and ease of maintenance. Not that the drz is hard, but there is just a little more to do. If I had the chance to trade someone an xr for mine I would do it in a heart beat.
That is good to know.. thanks for the heads-up! I appreciate your input. I've decided not to swap and rather keep the simpler XR. Cheers
I bought a 06 xr650l new and sold it. I am going to get a new bike to replace it. You have talked me into buying another xr650l. Thanks!
Oh wow, that’s awesome! Thanks for letting me know. Enjoy the bike!
Yo, just started into the duelsport world, every one said get an xr I did, but I know zero about motorbikes but have worked on pretty much everything else, cars trucks buses diggers etc, and the old checking the oil has me baffled, any chance you could give me your 2 cents on how you get an accurate reading, great vids cheers bud !
Thank, I appreciate it! Welcome to the DS world. The recommended procedure is to let the engine idle until warmed up (will vary due to outside temp). I just check after each ride as it's hot already. So I'll let the bike stand for 3-5 min after a ride and wipe the dipstick. Then insert it without threading it on (i.e. just flush with opening)... bike needs to be upright, so I sit on it. The oil should be close to the top. I always get an accurate reading this way, but have heard of riders having trouble. The oil capacity is about 2.1 quarts (2 liters). Enjoy the bike! Cheers
Both are great bikes but the old Honda 650 is my preference as I an an XR 600 owner. Last month I bought a new 2021 KTM 690 enduro and it's a nice bike but nothing like my Honda 600 in the dirt or single track. I tried to pick upnthe XR650L but asking prices were close to 11k and nothing was local. Ended ul.with the KTM because it was more local. Next year I might try the Honda 650
Wow, that is interesting. What makes the XR600 better in the dirt or single track. Most KTM riders disagree, but I guess they've not experienced the XR's low down torque before. I'd love an XR600, but they are quite rare here.
For me the choice was between a $4,700 DRZ with 6K miles and all of the correct mods done or an XR that was $9K out the door new. I would have bought the XR had it been the other way around. They are both similar, great bikes. Plus, the DRZ matched my helmet (kidding). Thx and cheers!
Both great bullet proof bikes and consider them tools for different jobs. If the XR is riding you, then it's not the right bike for you at this point. Riding a lower powered bike like the DRZ or WR250R will make you a better rider sooner then riding the XR that you don't feel comfortable with. Keep the XR for later and buy a DRZ now.
I am afraid you may be right. Riding a slower, lighter bike while I am still learning will be more fun and I'd progress faster. I'd hate to let this one go though. So I will either get a cheap 250 to play with, or I'll take my time and learn on this one. But I totally hear what you are saying.
wise decision EVERYONE ultimately wants the XR 2014 xt250, 1998 xr650L
Man, I've been battling with this question all fall and winter. Which of these two bikes do I get after not riding for 25 years. Do I get the more hwy worthy XR or the more nimble hooligan DRZ and relive my years spent on an RM125 😁. It's this question that brought me to your channel.
Wow, that is awesome. I've also had a break of nearly 10 years and got the XR by chance. I guess there will always be a compromise when it comes to choosing a bike (and the ideal solution is to have plenty of bikes... lol). I don't think you can go wrong either way. You can do the same stuff on both, but they just excel in different areas. I still want to own a DRZ someday. I'd actually not mind to get a two-stroke dirt bike too to fool around on. Which way is your decision currently leaning toward?
@@GreaseAndGravel ...ha ha, well when you put out a video I lean towards the XR. Then that Aussie dude (Apprentice Adventurer) puts one out and I'm back to the DRZ as it comes across as indestructible and easier to flick around. You see, it's not easy.☺
@@grandriver3152 I've also check out his DRZ vids. Still looks like a great bike. In terms of in reliability/durability, I think they are close (although the XR guys will definitely disagree). But I totally understand. If I didn't already have the XR, I would have had no clue which way to go. Luckily researching which one to get is part of the fun. At least you can't go wrong with either bike. Cheers
I just into dirt bikes about 2 years ago at 52. never road a dirt bike before. I had been riding a road bike for about 10 years before and of late an old 1200gs. with more dirt riding on it of late.
I suggest being clear with your usage even if your horizon is a year. so I wanted to ride dirt and trails and was ok trailing my bike there. I didn't really care about age, make, model etc. just low cost an ongoing cost. I settled on a 2012 2 stroke ktm 250xcw. paid too much but that's life. it has been the best fun and skill for building exercise I have had. it's light. more power than I could ever use and I am amazed how my skills have developed and how much fun I have had in a safe way. in fact It has gave me the confidence to take the gs Offroad.
so work out what is going to be the most fun and what you will actually do frequently. then fit the bike, any bike that's reliable. I don't think of the bike once on the trail. just the fun, adventure and company.
My next desire now is to do more advanced adventure bike tours but with a smaller adventure bike. 250 to about 500. I think it will be fun, and I can forget the bike and focus on the adventure. so just do it
@@akkarodia9745 Roger that!👍
Suzuki DRZ400SM is one of the best looking ds bikes on the market.
I love the DRZ400E and would love to own one someday
I'm looking at a smaller (read lighter!) off road bike - and have yet to pull the trigger. The CRF300L has the inside track for now. But a riding buddy has said to just learn to ride what you have. Easy for him to say, he had the DR350 at the time. About 200lbs lighter than the XR! In the end, I don't think I'll ever get into bombing on the dirt anyway; I'd just be buying into the idea, not really living it.
People always mention their height when it comes to talking about seat height; while it's kinda important, the real data point that matters is your inseam. I've shrunk from 6'-2" to around 5'-11" (crushed back) but my inseam is still 36"+ so I can flat foot pretty much any bike. On the down side, there are way too many bikes that simply don't have the room to store my legs!
Anyway, if you can afford it, I'll offer up the idea of scoring on a Suzuki DR-350. Not as easy to find, but much lighter, air cooled - basically it has going for it all the reasons you like the 650 - just not as good on the road (I can attest that it is plenty good for up 70mph so not that bad at all).
That's pretty much where I find myself. I will try and learn to ride this thing properly, but I doubt that I'd ever be able to ride it the way I would have liked to.
Good one fully boet. Just got my xr650L all farkled out, alles you name it. The xr is a super beast. I have learnt so much from you. Are you on wilddog forum? Your channel has a following there too. Cheers Jamaj
Thanks, Jamaj! I appreciate the support. I am learning as I go along :) I haven't been on the Wilddog forum for a while now (used to be a lot way back)... no reason really, just didn't think of it. I will check in again. Thanks for the reminder! Hope you are enjoying your XR! Cheers, F
@@GreaseAndGravel I just found your channel after seeing a gen 1 KLR on WD ;-) Not really thinking about it but always been a bit intrigued by the KLR's. I ride a R1200GS Rallye. Am in Stellenbosch. Where are you?
@@sgtunix I also didn't know much about the KLR when I got mine and I might actually get one again one day. I loved it. I moved to Hoedspruit from Stellenbosch 3 years ago :)
@@GreaseAndGravel Oh yes I know it, close to Phalaborwa. Beautiful up there.
@@sgtunix That's right. In the middle of the bush.
Good vid by the way. I would say throw away the spec sheets they don't tell the whole story. Like the peak torque figures don't illustrate that the XR produces much more lower down, you may think that is a good thing, but the softer power low down on the DRZ does aid traction. Conversely, I do like the XR for its oil cooled simplicity and reliability. I don't think you will have any problem with the DRZ motor though, other than you crashing and breaking a radiator! All the servicing intervals on these non competition engines are over hyped. Most of the time, it's just a valve check, the clearance is ok, and no adjustment is required. For this reason I'm building my own 350cc 130kg oil cooled carb dual sport bike.
Good point on the torque delivery. I am convinced the DRZ will be more manageable and that I'll learn faster. But it needs to be the right bike (i.e. is same good condition as my XRL). I do drop it often, which makes me glad that it has no radiator that can break. I see you also post some vids. You need to post some videos on your bike build!
Thank you. Nice work
Thanks!
I love my Honda XR 650 l.
+1 for the Honda! Thanks 👊😁
Man keep the XR just lower it an in er two to make it more manageable it'll still have the same ground clearance as the DRZ and you can always make improvements to the suspension when you get to a point you need it simpler air-cooled bike about the same weight about the same ground clearance after lowering and it'll have a lower seat height Just no point in getting the DRZ
Thanks, Charlie! I appreciate the encouragement.
Get some riding appropriate tires already Turkey. You'll most likely crash alot less and will be able to control the power instead of just sitting there spinning your wheel.
Turkey
Love your videos
Thanks, Mark! Yeah, that is the plan. I can't wait to feel what difference it makes.
I like everything about the XR/XL except for the riding position, I'm not a fan of sitting way up there
It is tall!
Yamaha TTR 250 with a 350 kit, amazes me I wonder why Yamaha haven't continued the TTR 350. early TTR's are unbreakable I have raced XR400's against DRZ400's the only thing is XR was kick start no electric start pain in the bum/right leg actually :) , traded it for a TTR 250 and could easily beat keep up with a drz 400 in the tight stuff, also raced an XR400 against a 650, kept up with them no problem but the 650 so much more torque XR650 great for long distance off-road but so heavy, give me a TTR any day even an old 250
See, that's the kind thinking I did. I am sure I'll have more fun on an XR250 or 400. But for now, I will just appreciate the torque.
@@GreaseAndGravel Yeah cool hope you have strong arms the XR 650's are crazy heavy they are perfect for long distance but a pain in gnarly off road stuff too heavy you will get tired easily still a great bike for desert etc I am in Western Australia, drop the tyre pressures and the XR will go anywhere
thanks for sharing. Considering getting an XR650L for dual sport riding adventures. I found a good deal and know I need to jump at it or it will sell quick
It is an amazing bike! I hope you get it. Let me know if you do.
I just bought a 2022 DRZ400s and am very happy. I think it's all about what bikes you are used to and what you want to do with it. I come from a motocross background so the DRZ feels kind of heavy and very torquey. But I love it. I'm used to full throttle YZ250 2 strokes. Those bikes are screamers that you can race right out of the box. But the DRZ is awesome in it'd own right.
I wanted the XR but couldnt find a new one.
You can "tame" it a little with a smaller sprocket in the front and a larger one in the back.
I fitted a 13t in the front... wow, it moves in the dirt. I just need to ride more technical stuff and get used to it.
All have pros and cons…I’ve owned multiple drz’s sm and s models over the years and enjoyed them all but they are still turds and heavy compared to more modern bikes. Same for the xr’s - owned 2 and sold them off similar to the drz’s in many ways they are very much alike with each being better in certain situations. I find the new Crf300l to be a great bike now but it of course lacks the power on the highway but great all around bike for the money
U know Y because XR'S Rule!!!!
Thanks from NOR-CAL!!!!!
XR650L hands down.
🙌😎
Nice bike. I love it.
Thanks! The more I ride it the more I like it.
@@GreaseAndGravel Awesome. Relax and fly into RD.
The old xl600r had 44hp, it’s hard to find official Honda data on the xr650l’s output. I believe it is under 40hp.
Yeah, some sites quote 40hp for the XRL... but could very well be less.
Good video, but you really can't go wrong with either.
Thanks! I sold the XR, but I am looking for one again
@Adventure Bike Troop get a blonde one this time the red heads are mean... 🤣
@@rickvann3489 Good idea, but still sounds like trouble🤣
Put a 41 tooth sprocket on the drz 6100 rpm at 70 and no engine or carb mods and I eat both of my buddy's xr 650 and get 55mpg on highway does get buzzy and the seat was terrible. But I do like the xr's like they are
Yeah, they are both awesome bikes.. I must admit, 65 is fast enough for me. Too many animals on the roads around here.
for the torque issue cant you just change the sprockets ? you will move the power to speed
That is a good point! thanks :)
People are silly and impatient, some of us like the backstory
Thanks man! Cheers
What pipe do you have on your 650, is it stock?
Yes it is stock
Yep, stock :)
Uhhhh where are you getting the DRZ has a 6 speed gear box?
Oh rats! Is that what I said. Eeeek! Thanks for the correction.
My xr650l is a five speed. I think u said they are both 6 speed.
Oh rats!! If I did, very bad on me... year, definitely 5 speed!
Have you tested dr650s vs xr650l?
Hi Jacob. Man, I've always wanted to own a DR650S. I am actually considering it now... but they are scarce where I live.
I realize this video is 2 years old, but my first immediate thought was, "You need to go to some real dirt bike riding schools. Ideally, some Trials classes first, then compare bikes."
Nonono, well yes you talk much, but too much. It's because you have alot to say, I'm the same way and in the case of motorbikes there's simply never enough talk about them. It's a philosophy to make songs about. Then your accent is very rare so personally I enjoy listening.
Thanks, Tomas. Yes, I know I talk too much. Can't help it when it comes to bikes😅 Thanks for the comment!
I was seriously looking at xr400 or drz400 but after riding enduro I think I'll stick to 250cc 😂
While I love the XR650L more and more, I still believe I'd have more fun on a 250. I'll give it a few months to see if I can build my skills until the 650 is not as intimidating anymore 🤣
@@GreaseAndGravel I've been looking at the new Honda crf300l I like the idea of some more cc but the weight is right up their nearly weighs as much as a xr600
I was going to get one of the new 300’s, but they are somewhat under powered and weigh the same as a Drz. So Saturday I picked up a new Drz400. It’s an awesome bike. Traded in my Klr and the Drz feels like a mountain bike in comparison.
I owned a drz 400 e converted to it to street legal and it was a nice bike but I sold it and now looking for a xr650l. Or a xr650r if I find the right R
but 650 is slower.....Only advantage is highway gears.
@@94SexyStang that's why I want the xr650r, that bike is bad ass maybe a slower acceleration but higher top speed and much more capable for what I want. There is nothing wrong with the drz but there are better bikes out there.
Does the Honda xr650l engine vibration like the suzuki drz400s
Jip, maybe even more
Drz all day
The suspension on the DRZ SUCKS compare to the XR . The cargo load your good for 300pds on the XR . Fuel tank go aftermarket 4.5 or 5 gal . No more range issues . Your last comment was the best . Stop being a P••••y . I gotta do the samething. Due to I'm 6ft and 300pds not to many duel purposes out there for fattys. So it was a toss up between the DR650 or XL650 since I only want off road riding being single track or fire roads and everything in between . I like the new 300L but weak suspension and small motor or I can spend 13k + to smash it into mother earth and hope I don't destroy any of the coolant products lol lol . Keep Going Red 💪
Thanks for the comment! The XR is an awesome machine! Enjoy!!
I have both a Drz400 and the Honda. You don't know how to set the DRZ up if you think the Honda is better. Now if we're talking power or comfort, you'd be correct.
@jdkrxw My 1990 DR350s is better than the DRZ . Why did they switch over ? I can't say one good reason . It's more comfortable and very close to power . But definitely better torque due to the DR350s has a 6 speed .
Drz community is big,
You already adj valves? Not pos but don't think drz has to be adj for 20,000 ?
Get a xr650r.
Put a street legal kit on it.
Uncork it to feel real power.
If I could find one here I'd do it in a heartbeat. They are scarce!
Oh boy another comparison of a pick up to station wagon.
Which is which? 🫣
@@GreaseAndGravel does it matter when you are comparing a horse to a goat!
@@shaun8256 Which one is the goat? Some say the XR is THE G.O.A.T while others say it is a donkey 🤷♂
@@GreaseAndGravel The DR650 is the GOAT!
Drz400E😏
I need to own one day!
I do a lot of supermoto trackdays and racing on my DRZ and an theres a guy that's always at the track with his xr650l, so naturally as the only 2 guys on streetbikes, we are unofficial rivals. It's all love tho, this is just amateur farting around.
I think I got a clean pass on him once during a race a couple seasons ago, but since then he moved to slicks and I can't hang with him. Maybe someday I'll do the same and see if I can catch him again. haha
HONDA!!!
I like the DRC but in this case I’d stick with the 650 because of the way I ride. I’m not riding motocross so I don’t need a little skinny hard seat I like the riding position on the XR or XL bikes they just need a 350 or 400 option Keep a nice big cushy seat the easy riding position the softer suspension which isn’t great for jumping and motocross but is much nicer on almost everything else and I think that’s what more people would want because when they have the DRC or the CRF they complain about how uncomfortable they are and with all the tech on them it’s cool and all but why would you want all that tack on a motocross bike that you’re going to trash and if that’s not the way you ride then why do you want motocross positioning and seats that are incredibly uncomfortable on longer rides. Maybe I’m wrong but they’re all great bikes but I think Honda kind of dropped the ball when they got rid of these models. If you go back to the early 80s you can get 75 and 80 a 100 a 125 a 185 a 200 a 250 a 350 a 400 for one or two years a 500 and 600 which eventually turned into the XR 650 L. The great thing about these bikes is they were a true dual sport bike that a nice comfortable seat a good riding position and we’re a Street themed version of the XR series which was kind of a every man’s more fun dirtbike as opposed to being the CR which was more race. The XR was just a good woods bike it was comfortable and easy to ride I just wore an all-around bike, the XL version was street legal with a little wider gear ratio for the streets. The only thing they were lacking was an electric start option. Spence gym wasn’t amazing it wasn’t a jumping bike but soaked up the potholes in the bumps on the dirt roads in the ruts and they did pretty good and they were nice and comfortable in the street the seats were comfortable the riding position was comfortable the power band was nice and wide and You had great torque and you had a ton of options to get the perfect size for everybody. Then all of a sudden you could only get the 250 and the 600 or 650 and they were several years you were kind of stuck there and the CRF is cool but I think the XR styling is just more practical for most riders. Especially if you’re gonna go out and put some miles on it. I can ride that XR 650 for three or four hours I can drive a couple hours do some mountain trails ride through the woods and ride a couple more hours home on the streets and it does pretty good on all of them. DRZ will do it but it’s going to be very uncomfortable And the CRF in the Cadillac send the rest of them. I just think these were a better all purpose type bike and for what you’re talking about here I would stick with the XR myself though the DRZ has a good choice because it’s more manageable power yet plenty of power to do what you need they just need better seat and six gears. The DRZ will probably be more nimble on the rust stuff but everywhere else that XR is going to be way better in my opinion so people should pick what’s gonna work for the riding but all the manufactures sort of dropped the ball on the mid range multipurpose bikes like this, bring back an XL or XR 350 or 400 L, just update the DRS 350 and get rid of the glitches and I think it’s a better bike than the DRC 400 unless you’re trying to use it for motocross racing and the Cadillacs and the CRF are kind of the same thing both are under powered and lack torque enough for a big rider or two people and they got a lot of new stuff to break and they’re just not as fun or comfortable or easy to ride but they’re not that bad either I just think an XR 350 L or an XR 400 L would be more desirable to a whole lot of people.
When you compare the horsepower and torque between the two you can’t just go by numbers. The DRC‘s got a pretty decent wide power band but not like the XR, it’s just a whole different kind of power and the torque ranging that is very wide. I got the two-stroke you’ve got to constantly be shifting and stay in your power band, you don’t on these if you’re into high ever gear you just keep the gas on and wait a second and it’ll get there it’s not gonna stall you out or bother slow down it’ll just clunk through it for a second and catch up because it’s got that all day to work. The DRC is pretty good with the way torque band but it’s not even close. So you’re gonna have to pay more attention to your gears especially because you’ve only got five of them and you’re gonna have to downshift a lot more come on the hill comes up with the XR are you just give it more gas and it’ll go. So going by the numbers doesn’t always work because those are peak numbers at a certain RPM. I think the XR 650 numbers are rated at something like 7000 RPM, you almost never get this bike up to 7000 RPM unless you’re pushing it really really hard so the peak horsepower doesn’t mean anything do you wanna really look at the power bands, the XR makes its torque very low and keeps it going for a long time so even though the numbers are still pretty close when you look at the weight ratios it’s definitely not the same thing but the DRC is pretty decent, I’m sure if somebody’s racing and really picky about it they’ll complain but both of them but I think they’re both great bikes but when you ride them the XR performs a lot better than you think it would through the DRZ performs about where you think it would. So on paper do you thinking it’s not gonna make a lot of difference but depending on how you’re writing it could be a huge difference but you’re pretty thin and light so if you don’t mind it being uncomfortable and only having five gears the DRZ is a pretty viable option, but that Honda to work is just really nice especially if you’re a bigger guy or carrying a lot of luggage or a second person with you and in that case I’ll take the XR all day long, if you’re just riding by yourself and you’re looking for a more technical motocross type bike than the DRC is that as long as you’re moving and not doing real slow technical stuff but for almost everything else I like the XR better myself. I just wish they had an XR 400 L
I like this video a lot of these comparisons don’t make any sense at all but I like this and these are two of my favorite bikes and it’s a realistic comparison if you’re going to look at an XT 250 versus an XL 250, it’s pretty much the same thing just different manufacturers but they’re very very close so you can pick the one that looks better they’re both great bikes that feel and drive almost identically but this is enough of a difference to actually give a real perspective and enough of a difference to give you a different writing experience, if you were testing the DR 650 against the XR 650, there’d be very little difference. So I think what you’re talking about having a little smaller more manageable bike the DRZ is a good option I just wish they had an XL 400 option because that would get rid of all the shortcomings of the DRZ 400
I always go back and forth on the water cooling. On some bikes I like it but something like this I just rather not deal with it. You can overheat these but I think a couple years they had an oil cooler on it but they were aftermarket oil coolers to keep it a little bit cooler and Water just adds a lot more parts and a lot more than breaking a lot more maintenance and it’s nice but small little it’s just more to deal with especially when they get older you start worrying about hoses and leak send I think the air cooled in the end or just a lot easier, you talked about the valves and all. It’s on the engines even cents I think about 73 I’m pretty much the same and L worked really well, around 83 most of the models came in with the newer vowel styles but they’ve always been great engines and they run forever. I’ve seen an XL 600 with 140,000 miles on it and it ran great. The water cool does it give you an advantage and so does all of electronics but oil coolers are easy and last forever and a small you don’t have to worry about a fan or coolant and it’s not a super high pressure system where you have to worry about leaks as much as water cooled, some tech is very cool and does offer an advantage but at the same time Ken isn’t worth the hassle. The radiators in the way and it’s just a pain to deal with all the extra parts on there. These are easy to work on and if you take care of them change your oil keep your filter clean just your vowels every few thousand miles you’re good and there’s not much else you need to do so you can just drive all the time. The only exception would be with carburetors and newer gas you don’t wanna let it sit around so you have to winterize it but just turn off your gas and let it run out before you stick it in the garage but they’re just incredibly easy to run, if it’s not starting it check your spark plug and make sure it’s getting gas and you’re good that you almost have to crash it to break it or just not do any maintenance and run it without a well these things are tough. I think the DRC is pretty tough too but it’s not unusual to see an old Honda XL with 100,000 miles on it and you see tons of them with 40 and 60,000 miles on them and that’s also great for buying used. If I see a CRF or a KLX with 20,000 miles on it i’m just gonna look for something different but 20 or 30,000 miles on an XR 650 L or the old XL‘s is nothing and with the ease of maintenance it just makes it incredibly easy to own and cheap and never have to worry about it you just jump on and go and they just sort of always work. The older models are hard to kickstart sometimes but if you know how to Use the compression release correctly it wasn’t bad but we never had to work on them and I’m glad they still have the XR 650 L around I wish they bringing a few more sizes with the same thing
Keep the XR brilliant bike DR worst bike i ever had
I had a DRZ400 some years ago. I found it grossly underpowered even after a pile of mods. As well there was no way to gear it for the highway and the dirt - it needed a sixth gear.
Suzuki has lower center of gravity, Honda gots 50 ftlbs!
If do not see you riding the Suzuki then you are just reading the stat off paper
That is correct
Color coordinated gear is not cool, when are people gonna get it?..lol.
So true! My red/white/black happened by accident. I need to get a green KLR!
Who cares about cool dude.
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Thank you for the advice... I am working on it 😁