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THE fundamental problem the LPC has with the current slate of possible candidates is that changing Justin Trudeau for another Liberal leader now is like shitting your pants and changing your shirt. Probably the worst of the lot is Mark Carney as he would continue the policy and legislative directives provided by his wife and Gerald Butts, both which work at Eurasia Group, an ongoing recipient of sole source Climate consulting contracts from the Trudeau gov't.
Instead of giving yourselves $100 "Liberal bucks", you should have given yourselves $100 "Liberal bucks" and the ability to go $62 billion over budget. You know, just to keep with the spirit of the Liberal party.
In short the requirement to become prime minster is only that they hold the confidence of the Canadian people through parliament, other than that it can be anyone, hence why we’ve had prime minsters from the senate. In the case of if carney became leader, he would hold not seat but by virtue of having the confidence of parliament (mind you for about thirty seconds until his government collapses to a no confidence vote) after which hell be the pm until a new lower chamber is elected and gives its confidence to someone else (normally the leader of the party which wins the most seats) a great historical example of a similar situation was John turner our 2nd shortest serving pm. The shortest being Charles Tupper who was pm from the senate
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Clark did such a horrific job as leader of the BC liberals that the party changed it’s name after being soundly beaten. Her corruption and lies did her in. In other words…your typical liberal
Who ever takes this job off of JT will be standing in front of a big fan. There is no path to victory for the Liberals in the next general election and if Trump does some bad things to Canada they will be lucky to hang on to party status in the house. A leadership review is inevitable then.
I actually could see a Liberal win but all the stars would need to align and most everyone there under Trudeau would need to be replaced. With the egos I've been hearing the last week it's impossible
People out East dont seem to understand that Christi Clark is only popular in BC with people over 60 years old. She is absolutely hated by millenials and largely associated with starting the affordability crisis.
Just think, if the liberals decided to follow through with electoral reform and follow the recommendations to implement a Proportional Representation electoral system, they would not be decimated at the next election.
I really didn't think he was going to resign. I felt like I was still processing Monday until yesterday or even today. So if I was asked *that night* it might've been tricky. I think my closest answer now is it simply *had to happen* so... saticefied? There's nothing satisfying about this liberal government but it is better I think, or at least has a possibility to become better
I think he wanted to get his name and "2015 to 2025" into the history books. That's the only reason he waited until the start of this year to resign. The full 10 years.
I'm not happy he resigned, I would have liked for him to stand in front of Canadians and allow us to judge him. This shows he is a coward and is running away from being shown what we really think of him and his policies.
The next party in power needs to put new rules into place for the House and Senate. You know things like, when your ask a question you must answer the question, not just ramble on about some BS informantion. Also laws about how much power the head of Government has over the funds in Canada. No more stealing the wealth and keeping it for youself and your friends. Also new rules on LIars, I say jail time for all of them that lie to Canadians. NO statuit of limitations for any crime commited during a persons time in government.
They mention the various possible contenders' age a few times but I think they overlooked a significant point. If the aim is to select a leader as sacrifice during the next election age doesn't matter much. But presumably an older candidate would be more expendable. But if you want a future leader who could become PM, the question isn't how old he/she is now but their age in 10 years. I wouldn't bet on the CPC being a one term government. Anything is possible but those are long odds. Mark Carney and Christy Clark are both 59 - so chances are they'd have a serious shot of forming government in their late 60s or early 70s. Is that what the Liberals are looking for in a future contender for PM? Or does Freeland (now 56) finish the job and drive the car all the way off the cliff? Then let someone in their late 30s/early 40s rebuild it?
IMHO it would be an insult for the rest of Canada if the leadership goes to Quebec again. I live here and we are polling for the Bloc and for the parti québécois. I mean…..it would be ridiculous. If we seek to show strength to the Americans, choosing a major party leader from a province who seeks to separate out of Canada is a really bad look. Not to mention that the parti québécois is seeking to go it alone with the Americans (good luck with that, but still). No, I think the time for pandering to Quebec has passed. I don’t think the rest of Canada is up for being attacked by Trump and by Quebec at the same time.
28:33 I would say that Blaine Higgs probably would buck that trend given that he was outspoken on a very controversial issue in the national Zeitgeist.
Brian Mulroney passed away at a time when the Conservative brand is strong and NAFTA is popular with the general public and has transformed our economy in a way that would make it devastating for the USA to unilaterally back out. Of course he's going to be viewed through rose-coloured glasses.
HOnestly I can not imagine anyone caring about who replaces JT as leader of the Liveral party, after the election they will not most likely be a party in the House of Commons.
The ranked choice comment made my blood boil. Like you wish you had it? Me too! Only difference is you're the sitting prime minister who's been in power for 9 years!
Christy Clark won an upset leadership after the sudden, 2011 ouster of premier Gordon Campbell who was forced by his own caucus to step down in disgrace for lying about implementing the Harmonized Sales Tax. Clark parachuted twice, first to secure the leadership: her predecessor’s popularity was 9%, tying Gallop’s lowest polling ever, that of Richard Nixon; the party itself was plagued by scandal. (she resigned as education minister after tearing up a legally negotiated contract between the teachers’ union and the previous NDP government, and spent the next several years as a right-wing radio talk-show host. The teachers’ lawsuit was still in BC courts when she won the leadership in 2011. The SCoC subsequently found for the teachers and her government was ordered to pay millions in restitution. Clark was caretaker premier for two years and shunted aside by Campbell cabinet appointees. Her second parachute was when she failed to win a by-election to get a seat in the Assembly. She parachuted into a very safe seat in the Okanagan recently won by a BC Liberal MLA who wanted to keep it. In typical BC Liberal fashion, the party ran into trouble for appearing to offer an inducement to him to give up his seat (he was subsequently appointed to an overseas consulate). Who beat Christy in the her first Vancouver riding by-election? None other than David Ebby, president of the BC Civil Liberties Association whom Horgan then appointed to a number of important portfolios, Attorney General being his main gig. He is now Premier of BC. Having no policy chops of her own there was little Christy could do until she won her own mandate in 2013. That featured the NDP’s stupidest election campaign ever. Leader, Adrian Dix, foolishly ordered his campaign to practice “positive politics” -that is, candidates were forbidden to mention anything negative, precluding well-deserved criticism of BC Liberal corruption . The NDP blew a 20-point lead and Clark, with a one-slogan campaign preposterously promising to build 15 new LNG plants and wipe out BC’s huge debt. Had Dix run even a tepidly critical campaign the NDP would have defeated Clark’s government. Failing that (former NDP Premiers and cabinet ministers pleaded with Dix to abandon his foolish campaign restrictions, but to no avail) Clark won a campaign that nobody could have won had the NDP run a proper campaign. Clark won by default, not by her goofy LNG promises. She certainly could not win a federal election. BC voters will not vote for her and as soon as voters elsewhere are apprised of her absolutely terrible governance, they won’t either. Clark won her own mandate in 2013 and immediately she proved she was totally bereft of policy chops and not simply a victim of the Campbellite cabinet. The list of proofs is too long to describe here, but it surely will supply any contender against her for the Liberal leadership with very condemning facts about her dubious abilities. She added fully one quarter of BC’s huge, BC Liberal-accrued debt, from about $80 billion to somewhere north of $110 billion in just four years. (Campbell inherited a $31 billion debt from the defeated NDP government in 2001). Finally, she initiated the controversial Site-C Dam on the Peace River on BC’s Great Plains in the northeast corner of the province-a project which had been rejected many times since the huge Bennet Dam (the Williston Lake Reservoir is the biggest in the world) was completed in the 60s. Clark, recognizing her party’s flagging popularity, promised to get construction to the point of no return by election day. She spent much of the 2017 campaign stumping over a sea of stumps in the denuded -and remote-Peace River Valley (the highest-latitude Nº1 farmland in the world) while the NDP took several urban seats from the BC Liberals in the riding-rich Lower Mainland. Her success in getting Site-C past the point of no return saddled the province-and especially the venerable Crown Corp BC Hydro-with tens of billions of dollars in so-called “deferred debt” (“unacceptable accounting practice” said the Auditor annually reported), the BC Liberal stealthy modus operandi to privatize public enterprises by bankrupting them, then selling them to insider cronies [I’m not the least worried about defamation lawsuit -these are recognized facts and many have cited them over many years, the BC Liberals hardly able to deny them]. Of course the Dam ran into huge cost overruns (as was predicted by every reputable estimate long before the first shovel-full of sod was turned). Before the BC Liberals, BC hydro supplied BC residents, mills and businesses with electricity at one-third the price of the North American average (Campbell rather thought this deprived the private sector) and paid the province several hundred million dollars in annual dividends. Horgan’s NDP saved BC Hydro from bankruptcy but he had to inform customers that their bills will gradually rise to cover BC Liberal perfidy. This is a pocketbook issue that BCers feel today and know who to blame. Many people don’t knowing that the “BC” prefix to “Liberal” is meant to distinguish this far-right party from any other Liberal party in the country. Although Clark’s ex-husband is a longtime federal liberal operative, and the BC Liberals emphasized they were an anti-socialist “coalition” of federal Liberals and Conservatives, people who lived in BC for the 16years of BC Liberal corruption will disabuse them of the notion that it was a centrist party. In fact, Clark, her predecessor, and her unfortunate successors were notorious anti-public enterprise ideologues who cost the province hundreds of billions of dollars. For me, the biggest change was something that didn’t happen: the new NDP government ended the constant partisan warfare of the previous-uh-gosh, since ever. It was wonderful. This is probably the biggest contrast with Christy Clark (although she doesn’t deserve all the blame for hyperpartisan rhetoric: it started with WAC Bennet in the 1940s). Horgan’s government was very good, even during Covid, and won the 2020 election with a strong majority. Horgan became the first NDP leader to win two back-to-back elections. Just last October, as incumbents everywhere else in the world were being churlishly punished for Covid-inflation, Horgan’s successor, Premier David Eby , managed to preserve the NDP’s majority-a bare one, but supported by two Greens. The fact that Ebby hung on in these difficult conditions-the first-ever third-NDP-mandate in a row-is a tribute to its real popularity. I like to think it was also a repudiation of the upstart BC Conservative Party’s (or PP’s or Smith’s or tRump’s) hateful hyperbole during the campaign and afterwards. Conservative Leader John Rustad shamefully displayed poor sportsmanship by attacking instead of congratulating Eby on his win (today he is knowingly making spurious accusations of electoral cheating -kinda like Trump, no?). The BC Liberals dropped out of the race only two months before the election and folded the party. Plainly many erstwhile BC Liberal voters went over to the NDP rather than go backwards to the kind of governance Rustad promised -replete with homophobic baiting and ridiculous (and false) accusations that the NDP is “destroying BC.” Come look at the construction cranes bristling over every city in the province and tell me BC is being “destroyed.” We don’t want to go back to that kind of hateful rhetoric and therefore-now that BC has tasted freedom from it-we won’t be voting for Christy Clark. She was, hands down, one of the worst premiers-if not THE worst-that BC ever had. Correction: Clark’s government was not “defeated in 2017” by the John Horgan-led NDP, but the BC Liberals came up one seat short of a majority and the Greens tripled their own seats, from one to three. A month after the election, a Green-Dipper alliance toppled the Clark government on its first tabled bill-the Throne Speech and economic statement: it was voted down: she’d lost the confidence of the Assembly. She tried to convince the Governor that another election should be held but was refused, as is proper. Thence she not only quit as leader but also resigned her seat, an astounding abandonment of her party in what can only be called a snit. Had she kept her seat and the NDP used one of their MLAs (or one of the Greens) to fill the Assembly Chair, the Speaker would be compelled to continually break tie votes in favour of the governing party-hardly an impartial situation. As it was, a BC Liberal MLA, Daryl Plecas, volunteered to be Speaker-probably out of disgust at Clark’s actions. He was immediately kicked out of the BC Liberals caucus but effectively -with the help of Clark’s resignation -allowed the Dipper-Green alliance to govern as an indisputable majority. Her move turned out to be the beginning of the end for the once-powerful, BC Liberal party. It evaporated half a year ago. One has to expect these unflattering facts to attend any leadership aspiration she might have.
Very entertaining auction. I guess you're the only two Canadians outside of caucus to become richer under this government, so what's the exchange rate for Liberal Bucks?
This is not about religion or religious fervor, this is about expressing dominance and evaluating the society's response to public compliance "you must obey and do not opine" "sacrosanct"
I would bet on Christy Clark The Conservative in her soul could give PP many sleepless nights even after the election fighting fire with fire so to speak
She was a Federal Liberal before she was a BC Liberal, and she only joined the Conservatives to support her fellow corporatist Jean Charest. She since has gone back to the libs.
44:04 I think in terms of political strategy, I think Christy Clark could be a very good choice. She would essentially be an anti-Trudeau, bringing the Liberals back to the centre (maybe even centre-right) economically and leaving the Progressive base to go to the NDP given that they are culturally in decline and there isn't much appetite broadly-speaking for the kind of Progressive policies that were in vogue when Trudeau brought the Liberals to the left of the NDP.
@paulbadics3500 to be fair, the Liberals have no chance in BC anyway, Stephen Harper spoke pretty bad French when he first came to power, and having a candidate that is not connected at all to the Trudeau nightmare regime is probably the only chance they have to not sink below the NDP in seats. It also helps that she's the least insufferable female candidate in the hypothetical running.
If you are a centrist Liberal from the rest of Canada the Christy choice makes sense, but amongst BC voters she is held in low esteem. I would think that if she ran in BC she wouldn’t get elected.
@@Plax123 all true..but still very unlikely enough people currently saying they would vote CPC & + enough NDP supporters would vote for her in 2 months to even give Libs a strong opposition status
What has changed for the NDP is the date, they know it's after Jagmeet's eligibility for the pension. It may seem overly simplistic, and maybe it is, but unfortunately that does make sense... so maybe there is something else, but people have been corrupted for much less than what he is getting out of this delay.
If many liberal voters are like me, we don’t feel like showing up at the next election unless a new and charismatic (and preferably not from the Trudeau cheerleader section) candidate shows up. I would never vote for Poilièvre and Sing is too weak and superficial. The green party might have some appeal for those who don’t want to abstain but…. I feel a lot of people will be voting against instead of for a new leader.
My question is why are you still a liberal voter? Are you pleased with the last 10 years? What it is keeping you voting liberal? Not an attack, just a curious question.
Asking why anyone would still vote liberal is a valid question. If you don't have an answer then maybe just don't say anything at all rather than insulting.
@ the last two elections I voted by default, better the devil I knew than the one I didn’t. I just didn’t like the conservative candidates. I am not a 100% liberal voter, I have voted NDP and Green before. Depends on the candidate. This time for sure I wouldn’t vote Conservative so what’s left? I wouldn’t have voted for Trudeau either…was thinking of not voting at all this time.
@@georgettelevesque277 What is it about Conservative policies that makes you not want to support them? If you are open to voting anyone, then you probably chose the party with the policies you most align with. Can you help us understand what you are looking for in the next government? What policies do you want them to bring in, regardless of what party is espousing them. People are curious, we are not Cockroaches...
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I kind of hope that Trudeau enters the race 🤣
I do believe you can still vote for Trudeau to remain leader, either way they are done!
Trudeau would lose a Liberal leadership race in a landslide.
Like when Patrick Brown resigned from being the Ontario PC leader, only to enter into the race to replace himself 😂
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THE fundamental problem the LPC has with the current slate of possible candidates is that changing Justin Trudeau for another Liberal leader now is like shitting your pants and changing your shirt. Probably the worst of the lot is Mark Carney as he would continue the policy and legislative directives provided by his wife and Gerald Butts, both which work at Eurasia Group, an ongoing recipient of sole source Climate consulting contracts from the Trudeau gov't.
Guys this was so fun! I watched your bidding on late Saturday so I was laughing so hard about a few. Love your show.
Instead of giving yourselves $100 "Liberal bucks", you should have given yourselves $100 "Liberal bucks" and the ability to go $62 billion over budget. You know, just to keep with the spirit of the Liberal party.
Good one!
I like this podcast because the predictions are entertaining in themselves and you get to see the payoff later. I'm a convert!
So Carney could be PM without a riding and being voted in by non Canadian citizens. How is that even legal?
Singh was
In short the requirement to become prime minster is only that they hold the confidence of the Canadian people through parliament, other than that it can be anyone, hence why we’ve had prime minsters from the senate. In the case of if carney became leader, he would hold not seat but by virtue of having the confidence of parliament (mind you for about thirty seconds until his government collapses to a no confidence vote) after which hell be the pm until a new lower chamber is elected and gives its confidence to someone else (normally the leader of the party which wins the most seats) a great historical example of a similar situation was John turner our 2nd shortest serving pm. The shortest being Charles Tupper who was pm from the senate
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@@philippej.fournier2727 Have you seen Pierre Poilievre's hit movie 'Wackos' yet?
I've been waiting for this!
The Conservatives got the bump. The NDP played FAFO and they will find out.
Is he not a godfather to one of Freeland's children?
Very Entertaining ...Thank You both
Nobody wants trudo sidekick freaky freeland
& nobody knows christy clark except in BC & they dont like her
The contenders are “Just like Justin”
Freeland is absolutely hated in BC by most everyone under 60 years old.
I am from BC and Christie is still remembered....but not favourably. She will not win in BC this time.
Jagmeet waited until his pension was safe before coming out in favour of an election. The NDPs timing isn't a mystery 😂
Hey Singh can’t buy those typical working man’s $20,000 Rolex watches with a secure income.
Electoral Reform he would have stopped being PM 5 years ago? 😂
Didnt Baylis have a scandal for a respirator contract?
I love this show!
It doesn't matter who becomes leader, I will NEVER support the liberals again.
Freeland or Clark. Libs will choose a non Quebecer and a woman. Neither will save the liberals however.
For your info,Trudreau is born in Ottawa and his mother tongue is English!
@@louisecote3542 But Justin is a 'child of Quebec', look at his Dad and his name. The point is still a fair one by Kingmadhatter45
I get the feeling they view Chrystia as their messiah after the spectacular way she took Trudeau down.
Clark did such a horrific job as leader of the BC liberals that the party changed it’s name after being soundly beaten. Her corruption and lies did her in. In other words…your typical liberal
Who ever takes this job off of JT will be standing in front of a big fan. There is no path to victory for the Liberals in the next general election and if Trump does some bad things to Canada they will be lucky to hang on to party status in the house. A leadership review is inevitable then.
I actually could see a Liberal win but all the stars would need to align and most everyone there under Trudeau would need to be replaced.
With the egos I've been hearing the last week it's impossible
The best thing for the NDP and Sellout Singh would be to get 0 seats in the Federal Election.
How about none of the above. All were lockstep with trudy filling their pockets .
This is the most facile accusation PP commands his base to repeat.
People out East dont seem to understand that Christi Clark is only popular in BC with people over 60 years old. She is absolutely hated by millenials and largely associated with starting the affordability crisis.
Yes but Liberal supporters are not bright. She would do well as leader.
We will get a new shortest Prime Minister in office out of this.
You think Freeland or Frankie Bubbles will win?😂 They are pretty short!
Just think, if the liberals decided to follow through with electoral reform and follow the recommendations to implement a Proportional Representation electoral system, they would not be decimated at the next election.
I really didn't think he was going to resign. I felt like I was still processing Monday until yesterday or even today. So if I was asked *that night* it might've been tricky. I think my closest answer now is it simply *had to happen* so... saticefied? There's nothing satisfying about this liberal government but it is better I think, or at least has a possibility to become better
Go Poilievre go!
Humility and Justin Trudeau have never been in the same room.
I think he wanted to get his name and "2015 to 2025" into the history books. That's the only reason he waited until the start of this year to resign. The full 10 years.
So what has changed? Absolutely nothing. Maybe 2,3,4 months down the road. We can't even get an election.
Le Retour des rois!
Exact same shallow, plastic disingenuous tone on the way in and out.
I noticed that too.
NO ONE is qualified! Time to move on.
12:48 “you probably want that extra week “ haha
I'm not happy he resigned, I would have liked for him to stand in front of Canadians and allow us to judge him. This shows he is a coward and is running away from being shown what we really think of him and his policies.
One way of having both ranked ballots AND PR is by STV....
I could not care less who will be replacing Trudeau as Liberal leader The LPC needs to go the same way as the federal Progressive Conservatives!
I hope/wish that Trudeau would go and join the French Foreign Legion and be assigned to a mission that you don't come back from.
The next party in power needs to put new rules into place for the House and Senate. You know things like, when your ask a question you must answer the question, not just ramble on about some BS informantion. Also laws about how much power the head of Government has over the funds in Canada. No more stealing the wealth and keeping it for youself and your friends. Also new rules on LIars, I say jail time for all of them that lie to Canadians. NO statuit of limitations for any crime commited during a persons time in government.
They mention the various possible contenders' age a few times but I think they overlooked a significant point.
If the aim is to select a leader as sacrifice during the next election age doesn't matter much. But presumably an older candidate would be more expendable.
But if you want a future leader who could become PM, the question isn't how old he/she is now but their age in 10 years. I wouldn't bet on the CPC being a one term government. Anything is possible but those are long odds. Mark Carney and Christy Clark are both 59 - so chances are they'd have a serious shot of forming government in their late 60s or early 70s. Is that what the Liberals are looking for in a future contender for PM?
Or does Freeland (now 56) finish the job and drive the car all the way off the cliff? Then let someone in their late 30s/early 40s rebuild it?
Real lost opportunity at 29:32 to not call them “Grit-coins” $$$
Hopefully nobody will replace him. The rest of the candidates are all GREEN People.
Joly out, good call to let her chances go on discount.
Trudeau’s not out, so the premise of this video is misguided.
Unfortunately Trudough said he might resign.
No body will replace Trudeau, the Liberals will give Canada Trudeau 2!
IMHO it would be an insult for the rest of Canada if the leadership goes to Quebec again. I live here and we are polling for the Bloc and for the parti québécois. I mean…..it would be ridiculous. If we seek to show strength to the Americans, choosing a major party leader from a province who seeks to separate out of Canada is a really bad look. Not to mention that the parti québécois is seeking to go it alone with the Americans (good luck with that, but still). No, I think the time for pandering to Quebec has passed. I don’t think the rest of Canada is up for being attacked by Trump and by Quebec at the same time.
28:33 I would say that Blaine Higgs probably would buck that trend given that he was outspoken on a very controversial issue in the national Zeitgeist.
Anan not running Joly not running Clark - caught lying Carney - Maxwell photos -
Brian Mulroney passed away at a time when the Conservative brand is strong and NAFTA is popular with the general public and has transformed our economy in a way that would make it devastating for the USA to unilaterally back out.
Of course he's going to be viewed through rose-coloured glasses.
It makes the NDP worse if they dump the government when we know the Cons will win! Just as Jack Layton did … bringing us Harper!
HOnestly I can not imagine anyone caring about who replaces JT as leader of the Liveral party, after the election they will not most likely be a party in the House of Commons.
The ranked choice comment made my blood boil. Like you wish you had it? Me too! Only difference is you're the sitting prime minister who's been in power for 9 years!
Freeland has too much of Trudeau attached to her. Clark would be a better choice
I'd bet Chrystia Hariss-campbell before Mike Ignatieff.
One thing in the auction that was missed was for Justin to pull out of the hat what Pierre did and return.
Jolie will not do it.
I think that the Libs will pick a sacrificial lamp type candidate, and that candidate will win!
Christy Clark won an upset leadership after the sudden, 2011 ouster of premier Gordon Campbell who was forced by his own caucus to step down in disgrace for lying about implementing the Harmonized Sales Tax. Clark parachuted twice, first to secure the leadership: her predecessor’s popularity was 9%, tying Gallop’s lowest polling ever, that of Richard Nixon; the party itself was plagued by scandal.
(she resigned as education minister after tearing up a legally negotiated contract between the teachers’ union and the previous NDP government, and spent the next several years as a right-wing radio talk-show host. The teachers’ lawsuit was still in BC courts when she won the leadership in 2011. The SCoC subsequently found for the teachers and her government was ordered to pay millions in restitution.
Clark was caretaker premier for two years and shunted aside by Campbell cabinet appointees. Her second parachute was when she failed to win a by-election to get a seat in the Assembly. She parachuted into a very safe seat in the Okanagan recently won by a BC Liberal MLA who wanted to keep it. In typical BC Liberal fashion, the party ran into trouble for appearing to offer an inducement to him to give up his seat (he was subsequently appointed to an overseas consulate). Who beat Christy in the her first Vancouver riding by-election? None other than David Ebby, president of the BC Civil Liberties Association whom Horgan then appointed to a number of important portfolios, Attorney General being his main gig. He is now Premier of BC.
Having no policy chops of her own there was little Christy could do until she won her own mandate in 2013. That featured the NDP’s stupidest election campaign ever. Leader, Adrian Dix, foolishly ordered his campaign to practice “positive politics” -that is, candidates were forbidden to mention anything negative, precluding well-deserved criticism of BC Liberal corruption . The NDP blew a 20-point lead and Clark, with a one-slogan campaign preposterously promising to build 15 new LNG plants and wipe out BC’s huge debt. Had Dix run even a tepidly critical campaign the NDP would have defeated Clark’s government. Failing that (former NDP Premiers and cabinet ministers pleaded with Dix to abandon his foolish campaign restrictions, but to no avail) Clark won a campaign that nobody could have won had the NDP run a proper campaign. Clark won by default, not by her goofy LNG promises. She certainly could not win a federal election. BC voters will not vote for her and as soon as voters elsewhere are apprised of her absolutely terrible governance, they won’t either.
Clark won her own mandate in 2013 and immediately she proved she was totally bereft of policy chops and not simply a victim of the Campbellite cabinet. The list of proofs is too long to describe here, but it surely will supply any contender against her for the Liberal leadership with very condemning facts about her dubious abilities. She added fully one quarter of BC’s huge, BC Liberal-accrued debt, from about $80 billion to somewhere north of $110 billion in just four years. (Campbell inherited a $31 billion debt from the defeated NDP government in 2001). Finally, she initiated the controversial Site-C Dam on the Peace River on BC’s Great Plains in the northeast corner of the province-a project which had been rejected many times since the huge Bennet Dam (the Williston Lake Reservoir is the biggest in the world) was completed in the 60s. Clark, recognizing her party’s flagging popularity, promised to get construction to the point of no return by election day. She spent much of the 2017 campaign stumping over a sea of stumps in the denuded -and remote-Peace River Valley (the highest-latitude Nº1 farmland in the world) while the NDP took several urban seats from the BC Liberals in the riding-rich Lower Mainland.
Her success in getting Site-C past the point of no return saddled the province-and especially the venerable Crown Corp BC Hydro-with tens of billions of dollars in so-called “deferred debt” (“unacceptable accounting practice” said the Auditor annually reported), the BC Liberal stealthy modus operandi to privatize public enterprises by bankrupting them, then selling them to insider cronies [I’m not the least worried about defamation lawsuit -these are recognized facts and many have cited them over many years, the BC Liberals hardly able to deny them]. Of course the Dam ran into huge cost overruns (as was predicted by every reputable estimate long before the first shovel-full of sod was turned). Before the BC Liberals, BC hydro supplied BC residents, mills and businesses with electricity at one-third the price of the North American average (Campbell rather thought this deprived the private sector) and paid the province several hundred million dollars in annual dividends. Horgan’s NDP saved BC Hydro from bankruptcy but he had to inform customers that their bills will gradually rise to cover BC Liberal perfidy. This is a pocketbook issue that BCers feel today and know who to blame.
Many people don’t knowing that the “BC” prefix to “Liberal” is meant to distinguish this far-right party from any other Liberal party in the country. Although Clark’s ex-husband is a longtime federal liberal operative, and the BC Liberals emphasized they were an anti-socialist “coalition” of federal Liberals and Conservatives, people who lived in BC for the 16years of BC Liberal corruption will disabuse them of the notion that it was a centrist party. In fact, Clark, her predecessor, and her unfortunate successors were notorious anti-public enterprise ideologues who cost the province hundreds of billions of dollars.
For me, the biggest change was something that didn’t happen: the new NDP government ended the constant partisan warfare of the previous-uh-gosh, since ever. It was wonderful. This is probably the biggest contrast with Christy Clark (although she doesn’t deserve all the blame for hyperpartisan rhetoric: it started with WAC Bennet in the 1940s). Horgan’s government was very good, even during Covid, and won the 2020 election with a strong majority. Horgan became the first NDP leader to win two back-to-back elections. Just last October, as incumbents everywhere else in the world were being churlishly punished for Covid-inflation, Horgan’s successor, Premier David Eby , managed to preserve the NDP’s majority-a bare one, but supported by two Greens. The fact that Ebby hung on in these difficult conditions-the first-ever third-NDP-mandate in a row-is a tribute to its real popularity. I like to think it was also a repudiation of the upstart BC Conservative Party’s (or PP’s or Smith’s or tRump’s) hateful hyperbole during the campaign and afterwards. Conservative Leader John Rustad shamefully displayed poor sportsmanship by attacking instead of congratulating Eby on his win (today he is knowingly making spurious accusations of electoral cheating -kinda like Trump, no?).
The BC Liberals dropped out of the race only two months before the election and folded the party. Plainly many erstwhile BC Liberal voters went over to the NDP rather than go backwards to the kind of governance Rustad promised -replete with homophobic baiting and ridiculous (and false) accusations that the NDP is “destroying BC.” Come look at the construction cranes bristling over every city in the province and tell me BC is being “destroyed.” We don’t want to go back to that kind of hateful rhetoric and therefore-now that BC has tasted freedom from it-we won’t be voting for Christy Clark. She was, hands down, one of the worst premiers-if not THE worst-that BC ever had.
Correction: Clark’s government was not “defeated in 2017” by the John Horgan-led NDP, but the BC Liberals came up one seat short of a majority and the Greens tripled their own seats, from one to three. A month after the election, a Green-Dipper alliance toppled the Clark government on its first tabled bill-the Throne Speech and economic statement: it was voted down: she’d lost the confidence of the Assembly. She tried to convince the Governor that another election should be held but was refused, as is proper.
Thence she not only quit as leader but also resigned her seat, an astounding abandonment of her party in what can only be called a snit. Had she kept her seat and the NDP used one of their MLAs (or one of the Greens) to fill the Assembly Chair, the Speaker would be compelled to continually break tie votes in favour of the governing party-hardly an impartial situation. As it was, a BC Liberal MLA, Daryl Plecas, volunteered to be Speaker-probably out of disgust at Clark’s actions. He was immediately kicked out of the BC Liberals caucus but effectively -with the help of Clark’s resignation -allowed the Dipper-Green alliance to govern as an indisputable majority. Her move turned out to be the beginning of the end for the once-powerful, BC Liberal party. It evaporated half a year ago. One has to expect these unflattering facts to attend any leadership aspiration she might have.
Very entertaining auction. I guess you're the only two Canadians outside of caucus to become richer under this government, so what's the exchange rate for Liberal Bucks?
Minister Steve MacKinnon for PM
There’s still time for Trudeau to pull a Yoon Suk Yeol.
Watched this on the 12th. Philippe, looks like your list is in bad shape, except for having Chrystia in your back pocket.
There's a "The Numbers" drinking game? Do tell
who doesn't play the Numbers Drinking game?
This is not about religion or religious fervor, this is about expressing dominance and evaluating the society's response to public compliance "you must obey and do not opine" "sacrosanct"
You are living in a different reality bud
I would bet on Christy Clark The Conservative in her soul could give PP many sleepless nights even after the election fighting fire with fire so to speak
She was a Federal Liberal before she was a BC Liberal, and she only joined the Conservatives to support her fellow corporatist Jean Charest. She since has gone back to the libs.
@@Bruvva_Wu IMHO a BC Liberal is a Conservative
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44:04 I think in terms of political strategy, I think Christy Clark could be a very good choice. She would essentially be an anti-Trudeau, bringing the Liberals back to the centre (maybe even centre-right) economically and leaving the Progressive base to go to the NDP given that they are culturally in decline and there isn't much appetite broadly-speaking for the kind of Progressive policies that were in vogue when Trudeau brought the Liberals to the left of the NDP.
Not liked in BC & unknown elsewhere & doesnt speak french
@paulbadics3500 to be fair, the Liberals have no chance in BC anyway, Stephen Harper spoke pretty bad French when he first came to power, and having a candidate that is not connected at all to the Trudeau nightmare regime is probably the only chance they have to not sink below the NDP in seats. It also helps that she's the least insufferable female candidate in the hypothetical running.
If you are a centrist Liberal from the rest of Canada the Christy choice makes sense, but amongst BC voters she is held in low esteem. I would think that if she ran in BC she wouldn’t get elected.
@@Plax123 all true..but still very unlikely enough people currently saying they would vote CPC & + enough NDP supporters would vote for her in 2 months to even give Libs a strong opposition status
@paulbadics3500 yeah I mean any leader right now is in for a rough next election for sure lol.
Now that Trudeau is out expect a rise in support for the PPC!
Christy Clark attended the Sorbonne. Surely she speaks French.
What has changed for the NDP is the date, they know it's after Jagmeet's eligibility for the pension.
It may seem overly simplistic, and maybe it is, but unfortunately that does make sense... so maybe there is something else, but people have been corrupted for much less than what he is getting out of this delay.
Bill Morneau
If many liberal voters are like me, we don’t feel like showing up at the next election unless a new and charismatic (and preferably not from the Trudeau cheerleader section) candidate shows up. I would never vote for Poilièvre and Sing is too weak and superficial. The green party might have some appeal for those who don’t want to abstain but…. I feel a lot of people will be voting against instead of for a new leader.
My question is why are you still a liberal voter? Are you pleased with the last 10 years? What it is keeping you voting liberal? Not an attack, just a curious question.
@ i knew I would get the cockroaches out with my comment😂😂😂😂
Asking why anyone would still vote liberal is a valid question. If you don't have an answer then maybe just don't say anything at all rather than insulting.
@ the last two elections I voted by default, better the devil I knew than the one I didn’t. I just didn’t like the conservative candidates. I am not a 100% liberal voter, I have voted NDP and Green before. Depends on the candidate. This time for sure I wouldn’t vote Conservative so what’s left? I wouldn’t have voted for Trudeau either…was thinking of not voting at all this time.
@@georgettelevesque277 What is it about Conservative policies that makes you not want to support them? If you are open to voting anyone, then you probably chose the party with the policies you most align with. Can you help us understand what you are looking for in the next government? What policies do you want them to bring in, regardless of what party is espousing them. People are curious, we are not Cockroaches...