Origins of Constant Recoil: The Ultimax Mk3 (feat. Mae & a Yeti)
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- The Ultimax light machine gun was developed by James Sullivan for the Singaporean military, and it is the first mass-production machine gun to be designed with the "constant recoil" system in which the bolt never impacts the rear of the receiver and the recoil impulse is felt as a continuous push instead of series of rapid impacts. So, is it really as good as people say? Let's find out - and let's get more than one opinion on the question.
Thanks to Mae and Othais at C&Rsenal for appearing in this video!
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When you design a gun around physics instead of marketing.
You made my day...
arya31ful eka
G11 sweats nervously
AN-94 "Yeah, but my barrel reciprocates and I can spit 2 rounds at 1800rpm!"
@@AdamBorseti
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But muh Blish Lock, bruh !
and sadly it sounds like the sales numbers of the technology reflect that fact.
The sound it makes when fired reminds my of the old forgotten weapons intro. You all know what I mean.
T Kuehn
DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH BATMAAAAAN
@@piggyharris7988 ; Always reminded me of the old Jane's PC game series intros.
The Madsen on a recoil-controlled tripod mount. Good memories
@@JinKee Think Ian just wanted to update the channel.
Nostalgia feels.
I’ve missed Ian throwing shade at the “History” Channel.
It'd be the only reason i would watch THC. Ever since they started reality shows, it became the reality channel
I miss it being the hitler channel.
the used-to-be-about-history channel.
Last place your going to go for any history 😂😂😂😂😂
Cmon who doesnt love ancient aliens
I've used this weapon in army (I'm from singapore) They taught us to fire in 3 rounds burst but on my first live firing the recoil was so amazingly manageable I forgot about the burst fire. The sergeant immediately shouted at me "HEY DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO BURST FIRE" which I said sorry then he said "but that's awesome isn't it?"😂
Sounds like you had fun. Too bad live firing is only like 3 times or less in each year even if you're infantry these days. :/
@Baron Von Grijffenbourg what sucks the most is cleaning rifles after missions. Blank firing doesn't even have that oompf feeling.
Your SGT is amazingly polite. Mine comes with colourful dialects and slight physical violence.
Always prone to IA.
The sarge doesn't even say "chibai"? We also have some ultimax on serve with Indonesian Police Mobile Brigade... Used it in Poso for CT missions
"Alexa turn off recoil"
Ian: I've invited a sasquatch!
Sasquatch: *communicates in sasquatch*
Jey I for one am glad to see greater species diversity in the firearms community.
@@baneofbanes What many authors of fiction should strive for, the cause of all beings having rights to bear arms ... er, bare arms, oh whatever
@@ArcturusOTE Surely you mean the Right to Arm Bears...
Ian: *communicates in Holy Trinity*
@@markmcelroy1872 hahha same
As someone from the Singapore Army who has fired this thing... I can tell you its dead accurate and reliable. You can squeeze off a long burst at the range and every round will land at the exact spot. If you load tracers, you just see a line of rounds hitting the target faster than it can bounce back up (we use electronic targets).
Now THIS is a proper Ladies Home Companion.
*sad cobray noises*
@@smokemg42 do they make any other kind?
"Ma'am, you emptied the entire drum into the burglars"
"...was I not supposed to?"
Look how consistent the ejection pattern is. The casings are just flowing out like a brass river.
True. So satisfying.
Is this a joke?
Indeed
Shows how well and balanced it is in it's design.
@@txm100 you're a joke
As someone that lugged the 249 in the Army for over 2 years... that thing looks niiiice.
I have yet to hear a soldier who was issued a 249 claim to actually like the 249.
@@Devin_Stromgren I enjoy shooting it vs the 240.......do I like carrying it? Hell no lol.
The ultimax is open bolt, and its sorta notorious for negligent discharges. It also doesn't shoot blanks and basically anything that isn't a normal FMJ without running into ejection issues. It can't be belt fed, and the drums do have drum type feeding issues as they age. They are also notorious for not holding up well in sustained fire roles compared to the 249.
Its a really cool idea/concept, and better yet it works. Though its not without faults, and those faults are the big reason almost nobody outside of Singapore has adopted it (while many have trialed it). I really like the constant recoil stuff but if we had Ultimax's instead of 249's in the middle east (particular mountain areas) 100% you'd have people trying to get mothballed 249's shipped over, but the doorkicker types would have probably sold their left nut for an Ultimax.
@@Repenter0 Singapore alr have mk5. Drum falling off is no longer a problem.
@@Devin_Stromgren I actually liked the 249 lol. However the two caveats being I had the shorty barrel and fully collapsible stock and I would much rather have had this. A box mag change while underfire has a lot less pucker factor than a pork chop and belt in my opinion.
4:12 does anyone notice how the casings are just barely, yet perfectly, missing Ian's arm? such a satisfying feeling to watch
Feels like I'm watching a looping gif
incredible ejection pattern consistency
Monster Hunters: Forgotten Weapons.
"We next up have a chupacabra examining a minigun."
"Monster Hunters"... That would be monsters who go hunting, right?
(What game do you go after with a minigun, dinosaurs?)
@@markfergerson2145 Monsters that Hunt, but their quarry is a woodchuck that won't come back out so they have to dig him out.
Eventually they bring in the Bethlehem Steel 37mm cannon, much to the glee of the nearby Bigfoot.
At end of filming, they have excavated teh burrow, and haven't located teh woodchuck.
The producer says that woodchucks are a myth.
That's just othias in a Sombrero
6:57 I was not expecting Othais to make that noise with the Sasquatch joke, but damn, that got me to laugh.
The whole bit was just too good;)
LOUDcarBOMB same here :)
When words aren't enough. A look, a growl, and a thumbs up. What can say more?
"Do you smoke afterwards"?
"Isnt the gun supposed to smoke"?
I don't know, I never checked
Who gave it the cigarette?
Depends on the gun, ammunition, fired, how fast it's being fired etc.
When Ian said it was his first time, I was just waiting for Mae to come back with: "And was it good for you, too?"
Only after I shoot my full load.
as a former M249 gunner, I am sincerely shocked at this system's effectiveness. I bet it's also much less complex and significantly less costly. if I ever got my hands on one of these, i'd be well on my way to seeing just how small a 100 meter group I could squeeze out of this thing.
You present firearms with historical accuracy. That doesn't fly with the History Channel.
We need sasquatches to restore the History Channel.
Watch "Tales of the Gun"
*screeches in Belton Cooper*
I mean if you put some UFOs and other nonsense it might. But history channel is embrassing.
Oh. That was a looong time ago. The Story Channel doesn't even show that program!@@williestyle35
Oh man the shade thrown at the History Channel.
Wtf three weeks ago?
How does it say u posted this comment 3 weeks ago
Aliens
@@DonPatrono ahhh
And from what Ian's said of being on a TV show (Sons of Guns with a 1911 "Bigot") and being offered a series on the History Channel that was a crap offer, I'd say Ian's got the waaayyy better deal with having Patreon backers, freedom to do whatever, and travel globally.
With its low rate of fire, this thing kind of sounds like an old steam locomotive.
All aboard the lead train! Woo woo!
erikm12 now just imagine, it’s not bullets but railroad spikes
With No Brakes!!
@@wyatth.j.1661 They did that in Fallout 4 - fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Railway_rifle_(Fallout_4)
Seems like it was a little bit faster with the long barrel to me.
@@ANonymous-bh1un A lot slower firing, (around clock speed) though. And it also dates back to Fallout 3.
Mae wants one for home defense. "Ma'am, you emptied the entire drum into the burglars" "...was I not supposed to?"
Reduced to burglar patties 😂
😂😅
During my national service days, I was assigned to be my section’s SAW gunner thus equipped with the ultimax. Wonderful weapon to bring into a combat situation with, the only downside to it during my service was we weren’t issued with the interchangeable barrel thus stuck with the Long barrel type. And It was really unwieldy in jungle bashing situation where I’ll have vines tangle around the barrel and urban ops operations.
I loved shooting these in my reservist days in Singapore. The old versions were hell to maintain though. Once the coating on the receiver was scratched they rusted while you looked at them. That's a problem in a jungle. No night sights either.
@washington gibz Here's the sad story: 20 years back, they were too cheap to issue drums to us. We used modified 30rnd M-16 mags. In my 2 1/2 years I never even saw an Ultimax drum. Sorry I couldn't be more help to you.
@washington gibz I never had any feeding problems with what we were issued. In my experience the Ultimax was very reliable, the internals were easy to maintain and I shot them better than an M-16 or a FN MAG. It was a few tweaks short of being outstanding.
I did come across the drums in my company armskote during my reservist training but they were totally never used let alone touched lol.
@@newtypekiasu Nice! I thought the drums were hoarded away in ammo dumps until war were declared.
@@hemisphere22 I also thought so until I saw them in the mags cabinet while helping out at the armskote during my ict a few years back lol.
Raaawr.
We need a who C&Rsenal episode, all spoken in Raaawr.
Xd
Lol...anone who missed this comment, is missing out.
Heresy against the Chauchat, clearly the worlds best LMG!!!! :-)
WHAT
That was my personal weapon for my full time NS life and for the entirety of my reservist life too. The recoil truly is minimal, the weapon reliable, and it was a breeze cleaning it too. Its a soldier's best friend.
"You emptied the drum..."
"Was I not supposed to??"
Lmao she's awesome!
That she is.
Only thing missing was Mae giggling while shooting.
Her back was turned and we missed her smile 😩
@@hugoagogo21 So we need a full auto T-gewehr for ultimate giggle factor!
Y'all are weird
You forgot about viewing the target after Mae shooting it , She's a damn good shot with weapons that kick like mule's , so I can imagine how accurate she is with something as apparently controllable as the ultimax 3 bit it would have been nice to see the 3"-4" one hole group she probably made with that almost full mag dump . Totally awesome though , it's made my night .
@@richarddixon7276 A good operator can sign their name at 300m in full auto. The controllability is something you need to experience to appreciate.
Kriss Super V + Constant Recoil System + Halbek Device = *gun recoils forward*
Im not actuallt convinced the kriss v system actually does anything, if you look at the bore height it looks pretty inline to start with and i suspect thats about it
get a skateboard and 20 extra mags, never walk again
Blow-forward operation is actually a thing
The Kriss Super V system may reduce felt recoil slightly, but the bolt also goes upwards and this increases felt recoilt, although I supposed that the Halbek Device should counteract the effect of the bolt going upwards.
Regardless, I still think that a better combination would be.
Balanced Action + Constant Recoil, with an optional muzzle brake.
Instead of a staccato recoil, it's more of a legato recoil.
As a violinist and gun enthusiast, I approve this message.
and gun jesus said "let it have constant recoil," and it was good
ARRRRR...
"Arrrrr" indeed
Gun Jesus Mary and Joseph all together my life is complete
🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭💀💀💀
Did you watch their project lightning videos? If not, you definitely should.
@@jeremywashburn562 I did and seeing the holy trinity together is still a blast
loxxxton poxxxton lmao
Gun Jesus's first miracle: turning recoil into vibration
Ian reunited with Machine Gun Mae and the Gun Yeti. It is a blessed event.
Hallelujah! (I'm not an NRA member, I'm a photographer.)
I love the chemistry between Ian, Mae and Othais, its like watching Jeremy, James, and Richard on Top Gear they just work off of each other so well.
The sasquatch noise made me laugh out loud. Thank you for that
I wish we actually had this variant in service. The 20 inch barrel is a pain
It looks like it runs harder with the long barrel.
@@festerallday not really, watch FPSrussia's video. Doctrinally, Singapore teaches its soldiers to fire in bursts and not in full auto which ruins the advantages of this gun
@Giggitee O'Yeah so you are saying the singapores governments need to limit spending cause them to use a doctrine that throws away the advantages of this gun? I totally agree as a NSmen
Everyone fires in bursts regardless of any military. Only in exclusive situations that require plenty of volume of fire any military will use a longer burst of full auto fire
The sasquatch was a nice touch as was the addition of the lovely
(* mae*)!
Meanwhile, at History channel HQ: "It works too well to be man made, obviously aliens did it."
The "chugging" you see in other MGs just doesn't show in this gun.
She did a great job after the first 3 rounds.
I am disappointed I can only like this video once.
Upvoted when Othias made yeti noises. Had forgotten i had already upvoted for Mae. Two upvotes cancel each other out.
Had to upvote again to fix.
10/10 would upvote again. The cycle continues.
Ian , Mae, Othias, Ultimax Mk3 , three of my favourite presenters and an awesome weapon all in one show = Ultimate Video short . Thanks folks .
Definitely looking for Gun Jesus Halloween costume.
Just get some robes, thorns, and thongs. And spout some infinite wisdom of the gat to the masses.
@@markknife1 Don't forget the Chiappa Triple-Threat.
I'd probably go the Bloke on the Range route since I already look more like him. If only I had somewhere to go for it to be recognized.
I hope he goes as the devil this time 😈
Exactly like the lady said. I thought maybe i had imagined it watching the footage but: "just a little bit of vibration to control". You can actually see it recoil with each cycle but then get absorbed and transformed into a constant force before it reaches the end of the buttstock. Interesting to see how it does it for sure.
just like Ian said, the bolt doesn't really reach the end of the receiver, the recoil spring stops it before it does, and completes the cycle without ever banging into the end.
also the reason for the lowish rpm, since it takes a while before the cycle completes since the spring has to slow the bolt down then push it forward , instrad of just pushing it forward afyer the bolt hits the back of the receiver.
I was thinking "Oh Ian there's better places for you than the History chan....oh I see where this is going!"
It's so much fun watching you guys have so much fun. :)
I was half expecting the Sasquatch to run off into the woods with the gun at the end, though. :)
That outro had me cracking up XD
But otherwise, a fantastic video on one of my all-time fave light machineguns. Hats off to you Ian and to Mae and Othais the bear :D
Now that's something you don't see everyday. A Singaporean weapon. Hope you get more chances to review them. I last saw their ARs at their airport carried by security personnel, and it looks pretty insane.
God I love Mae. You don't gotta tell her that "It's a machine gun." She just let's it rip lol.
Has she been introduced previously? I've never heard of her
@@walt9327 she's from the C&Rsenal channel
I love how you and C&Rsenal are such close channels
The “Sasquatch” at the end was incredible 😂
Can't beat friends pratting around and getting things done together. Brilliant vid :)
Hear Mae and Yeti (Othais) only had one complaint, Ian didn't bring enough ammo.
ohh how much i love it, when your great sense of humor shines through Ian.
That is an excellently trained yeti/Sasquatch well done sir
I saw what you did, you gave Mae and Ian a giant machine gun. Yet Othias the Wookie was only shooting a carbine. Funny trick guys but you're not fooling me.
Nice Vid and Gun :). I really hope you guys had as much fun making that Vid as it looked like watching it :)
I LOVE Mae's "I'm firing a machine gun!" face that she has every time she lights one up. XD Excellent collaboration piece!
Did Ian's mustache get shorter? And someone needs to get Othius a bowcaster. 😁
Othius absorbed Ian's mustache. Simple as that
All Singaporeans unite!
Things to note: a lot of the stuff in Singapore is made to be more readily used by (Asian) conscripts so it might not be "the best" of your own ideas.
-Smaller men
-Conscripts
Also, I've almost never seen it not used with a 30 Round Mag.
I think they're also gonna phase out the bullpup design of the Sar 21 pretty soon .
Singapore is like 25% smaller by area than Dallas, they may be even armed in Phalanx CIWS and it still wouldn't make a difference xD
@@trailblazingfive Honestly speaking, it's really diplomacy and deterrence that's doing all the work.
@@trailblazingfive Singapore is like the Switzerland of Asia, no one bothers to harass them. Maybe Malaysia but like the first guy said, if they don't piss them, they don't get pissed back.
Singapore isnt going to phase out the bullpup system. At most the sar21 would be replaced by the BR18
Thankyou Ian for the prone footage :)
good to see the whole team out there .. nice
this was my personal arms when i served the army. what you might have missed out is that the constant recoil results in amazingly high accuracy with this weapon.
"I've invited a Sasquatch to do a magdump"- Ian
*sasquatch noises*- Sasquatch
Wow, what a gem! Looks very very smooth to shoot
I love your collaboration videos!
I really thought Mae was just going to mag dump the way she started out.
When Ian said it was his first time, I was just waiting for Mae to quip: "And was it good for you, too?"
Hello from Singapore!
We have conscription here, and the Ultimax (known as the SAW or Squad Automatic Weapon to the soldiers) was my personal weapon!
It was a long gun (most of us have only handled it with the full length barrel) but it was an absolute joy to shoot!
Glad to see Mae in this video.
I was a SAW gunner during my section commander training and this weapon is rock steady to fire at full auto. The trigger is light enough to fire off controlled single shots even though its full auto only. That was 27 years ago!
Cheers from Singapore!
Swee lah
Hello Leh
Ian, othias, mae. You are wonderful!! It makes me ECSTATIC to see you do videos together.
Nice piece of kit!!
Not gonna lie, I laughed way harder at the sasquatch bit than I probably should have.
In the words of Dugan Ashley "totally radical"
Feel like pure shite just want him back
You bring us the coolest things. THANKS
Great video, add another gun to the bucket list.
"If you are looking for an Ultimax, be born a male in Singapore!"
Here in singapore the ultimax has a reputation of being unreliable.
I think it had smth to do with the magazine.
Or maybe its just NSFs like us not treating the gun right XD
Probably just drum mags being drum mags. I wonder if you could get belt fed with constant recoil
Aluminum AR-15 mags are known to be fragile. If it's a mag issue, PMAGs should fix it (Magpul did NOT pay me to say this).
99% of the time soldiers claim a weapon is unreliable, it's because it doesn't get maintained. Especially magazines.
Bro, it is the blanks and round catcher. We just recycled the ones meant for the M16. They were never meant for the Ultimax. Firing live rounds are a breeze
the ultimax we normally use is much older than the sar-21, which replaced the ar-15 most infantrymen use. Yes, I've heard it being called unreliable, but I think when everyone else is using a far newer, more reliable weapon, the malfunctions in the weapon get highlighted.
nicely done
Oh my gosh. That firing noise is beautiful
"I have invited a Sasquatch" lMMFAO!!!!
All I can say is BRAVO!!
Freakin' lazer beam lmg
This new microphone is working wonders. It really captures all the feel of the weapons' sounds.
This collab was truly a thing of beauty
I was hoping we would get a CarnikCon crossover with this one.
Cowboy Mae has her perfect gun, now she just needs a dinosaur to ride.
live action ARK?
This is the only gun channel that i can say i really like.
now that is some great quality footage
I don't really understand all the comments about "low rpm" and how this makes the gun not effective. It's slower than other light machine guns in 5.56, sure, but not hilariously so. The fact that it's so much more *controllable* suggests greater capability and more options to me. You can always use an accurate weapon in a deliberately inaccurate way for suppressive effect, but you cannot really go the opposite direction. This machine gun seems really impressive to me, as was the time Ian interviewed one of the old AR-15 engineers who modified their rifle with a similar system.
Low RPM is only a detriment to the value of an actual machine gun for anti-aircraft fire.
I agree what's the point of a high rate of fire if all you do is puncture clouds and dirt? I always thought the idea was hit a target not worry it a bit.
Because there is a psychological factor to a higher rate of fire. In WWII the allies had to make several videos to downplay the effectiveness of the MG42 compared to the browning M1919. The MG42 was simply a meatgrinder to face. Even cover like a stone wall would not last very long and the GIs who had seen combat knew it.
@@Rockwolf66 Phycology dosen't kill the enemy , acccurate fire does.
@@51WCDodge In a modern military setting, machine guns aren't meant to kill the enemy. They're meant to suppress them. That is why there are so few of them in modern units. You don't need many to do the job, and an assault rifle does the job 80% as well.
That said, higher rate of fire has only a marginal benefit to effectiveness of suppression while having the great negative effect of increasing downtime. It is not beneficial in the balance. It's more of a video game thing than a reality thing.
Damn, which Radio-Tower did you climb up to get it?.
So glad they changed that in the newer games
hahhaha
Dude thats siiiiick the brass ejection was exactly the same spot every round thats nice .seems like you could just put a bag off to your right and boom brass collected.
It seems that a constant recoil system is better served in light machine guns/automatic rifles. Tripod/pintle mounted machine guns will not gain as much by having a constant recoil system. It also seems that a fairly low rate of fire is actually advantageous, since it means you have longer time of fire between bursts without expending too much ammunition.
With 500 RPM you get twice as long engagement time on target for the same amount of ammo expenditure as a gun with 1000 RPM rate of fire. With more accuracy because of the CRS, it will pay off to have longer bursts suppressing a target during fire and movement between fire teams. IIRC, you did an interview with Jim Sullivan with Karl over at InRangeTV, and shot a constant recoil M4. It had almost half the rate of fire of the standard M4 carbine. Just imagine having a constant recoil system in the M27 IAR:)
This is the avengers team up of the gun world.
Project lightning part 2 with all the modern machine guns?
Interesting gun and great video!
hope there's more colaborations with C&Rsenal in the future.
Amen!
a wild Mae appears! then a wild Othais appears!
The real question is: Would Mae take it into the Trenches?
Would "Kaiser Bill's" men instantly surrender?
Im surprised at how much this amazed me.
Looks very good!