It’s a difficult subject. Gays should be loved and respected as human beings created in the image and likeness of God. However, the lifestyle is not a means of celebration. I lived that lifestyle for 20 years, and it was surprisingly very stressful and not liberating at all. I drank and smoked heavily to cope, and it nearly killed me. I went to confession and have been celibate for 6 years.
I’m an orthodox christian and I respect you alot, I respect everyone on this earth even the worst sinners, cause I am also one, I agree with you that everyone should be respected even gay people ! God bless you ! 🙏❤️
Every person, like you, who experiences same-sex attraction and commits to living in accordance with the church's teaching on human sexuality -- despite having to face the judgment, condescension, contempt and arrogance amply demonstrated in these comments -- is exercising heroic virtue, in my opinion.
I hope you know you don’t have to confess to a MAN. You do need to work on not being attracted to someone who is the same sex as yourself or you’re really not out of it. 🙏🏼
I love her emphasis on not minimizing heterosexual sin in light of homosexuality. I have met people who love to talk about how deep in sin homosexuals might be, while also fornicating on a monthly basis.
That's what ticks them off, most people live together today, marriage is down but those gays are destroying the world. lol I never met a gay person who didn't seem more charitable than the "Christians" spouting hate. They aren't worried about their sin. Jesus talked of feeding the poor, helping the helpless, loving your neighbor more than yourself really but the only ones they want saved, aren't the politicians who are shady, not the people committing fraud and not the guys cheating on their wives or molesting kids, not all the fornicating couples that church marries weekly, not the many who sin like we all do daily, let's protest rainbow shirts at Target. If you can't see the idiocy of that, it's like a way to deflect from all the other sins.
True, but there is a slight and important difference. A fornicating Christian knows he is sinning and might even repent. A homosexual in today's western culture does not see it as a sin. For him it is an identity to be celebrated and be proud of. This is not to minimize fornication. But to highlight the crisis of open homosexuality. Whereas a Christian father can sit his son down and tell him that fornication is a sin, he cannot tell his son that being gay is a sin. The culture has labeled it an irreversible orientation.
@@davidej6310 I don’t believe that most gay people can stop being gay and I’ve never seen that and I’m in my 60s and I have known gay couples for many years. There is no way someone would want to be that different and put up with the hatred they have to put up with it on purpose, and I know the young men and women who have hurt themselves or committed suicide over them being that way, being bullied ,did not choose that.
I am living this. Prayers for my son Isaiah would be amazing. He came out to us almost a year ago. We had a big conversation and he knows we love him (though I did view him differently for awhile) and I cried behind closed doors to my Husband (yes some may judge me for that but it’s true). He’s only 15 so thankfully has had no experience, not even a first kiss, with a male (or female). To say I’m not hoping that it was just confusion, would be a lie. And I have no idea how I’m going to cope with future things if he is actually gay. But I love him sooo much and I know God will carry us through 🙏🏽
Love is not a sin, that is first and foremost, but I can tell you that if you react to everything with shock, fear and disappointment, even if he does turn out to like women, you will have destroyed both his trust and his respect for you.
Having been in Isaiah’s situation many years ago, I advise you to get him as far away from Catholic schools as you can. I am still suffering from PTSD 47 years later from religious abuse. Catholics are a bad influence one young gay men because Catholics expect the worst of them. The other catholic students will constantly degrade and shame him even though he is abstinent. Catholic schools are suicide factories. I didn’t have any friends until my senior year in college when a straight student raised without religion befriended me. He was a perfect role model. I would still give my life to save his.
DON'T DISOWN THEM. You'd be shocked how many parents stupidly resort to this. They are your own flesh and blood. You made them, now love them. Disowning them will only push them away, and ironically DEEPER into that lifestyle. It will make them see you (and Christianity) as an untrustworthy enemy, and it will be entirely your fault. Jesus didn't shame the woman caught in adultery. He saved her.
Leave them to it if that's their choice. But don't have it in your house or near your other kids ..scandal. Prodigal son scenario...if it's God's will..leave it to God.
I saw a guy on PBS who's mom burned all this things, had a bonfire, disowned him. Well he ended up getting help with college, getting a job, partner, therapy, tried to see her one more time, nope. That is a mother I will never understand when she was loving before, but they exist. God help her.
@@deb9806 And people have been killed for being gay, bullied, some commit suicide. That is what talk about "them" does. It gives permission for kids and teens to be mean and think its justified. Any death caused by people judging is a sin for the ones who did it or pushed them there.
Yes, but our Lord was not accepting of her sin, instructing her to sin no more in John 8, and recall that in John 5 Jesus warns that worse might befall a sinner who returns to sinning. Compassion is key, but it cannot be without wisdom. Loving somebody and letting them continue to sit at your table for meals and sleep under the same roof is helping surround them with positive prayer and consideration. That wouldn't be the case if they were bringing same sex "partners" and you were playing ignorant and treating them as friends, letting them "sleepover" enabling grave sin.
@@MrCheesywaffles But why aren't there videos and podcasts of the thousands of parents who say it's ok for their hetro kids to procreate in their home? Why when 99% of the couples being married have had sex (and this has been for decades) is it not considered bad. This hypocrisy is what the "prideful" gays mean by being unfair. You can rate the sex sins if you want but I doubt to someone who only likes same sex, it seems different to them. We need to be able to see things from both ends even if we don't agree.
This is the first interview of Matt's that I could not turn off and listen to later. I was on my lunch break. I put a leave of absence just so I could finish the show. God bless you Kim for sharing your story.
Wow! 3:00 onward. Thanks for exploring this topic and doing so with such honesty. The power of not talking, the power of holding someone and crying with them, allowing them to cry. Wow!
Oh my gosh this made me cry. In my 20’s I moved in with my boyfriend. We hid from his parents but my parents knew and even helped me move. They said later it was the hardest thing they ever did. But what they did for me during that time was the greatest gift they ever game me. They kept their hearts connected to mine. I ended up marrying that guy. We have three beautiful children and are serving the Lord. God didn’t let go of me, my parents didn’t let go of me, and somewhere inside I held on to the principles I’d been raised with and God brought me through. It’s not a matter of if we sun but when we sin and how can we as Christians best love someone exactly where they are and let the Holy Spirit do what he needs to do.
It's very interesting to me that I only found out in my 20s that my dad had thought I was lesbian for years, due to my complete lack of crushes on/interest in boys except as friends. Apparently he was afraid he'd scare me away if he asked about it so he had been waiting for me to mention it to him. In reality I'm basically asexual. I also have attachment issues, particularly with other women (mostly from being raised by a highly intrusive, dysfunctional mother) which meant I wouldn't in a million years have thought of women as "safe" to be in even a friendship with, let alone anything more intimate...hence why all the guy friends. But just knowing that at least one of my parents wasn't going to disown me even though they thought I was gay meant everything to me. In my opinion, if you're a parent and you care about your kids, pushing them away further because your ego is hurt/you feel shame that other people will judge your parenting if your kid has SSA, isn't going to help. It will just show your kid that you are more attuned to the judgement of others than you are to your own child's suffering.
Her point just at the end is often missed by so many. I hated when my classmates would put down homosexuals so aggressively when they were busy fornicating. Double standards irked me a great deal. Lust is lust, sin is sin, mortal sin is mortal sin.
The sin ranks with those which cry vengeance from heaven along with wilful murder, oppression of the poor, defrauding the labourer of their wages, the cry of the widow and orphan. CCC1867 - This is certainly is a difference for example fornication while mortally sinful, we must admit that it is a natural act. Homosexual acts are contrary to the nature and sterile in themselves. @Lindsay
That made no sense to me. I've met Fr Martin, bought his book on prayer which is very good, used his Bridges book at church. He gets a lot of flak from a few but the Vatican and many others don't think helping gay youth and adults feel loved by the church is wrong. He doesn't say to live in sin. I bet 99% of his critics never opened a book of his.
Well, I would guess because it is unnatural? I also think because of the way society is trying to forcibly normalize it. Of course, society has very much so normalized heterosexual sins as well. Yes…sexual sin seems to be disappearing from society, but that sure doesn’t mean it’s not there and seen by God.
@@archibaldy1929 It's been around forever but hidden. The way I look at it, hiding it didn't do any good, normalizing it just means, people don't have to marry and play both sides, or lie about girlfriends or join the army or become a priest, anything to stop Aunt Patty from fixing him up with someone . (half in jest but its true)
@@Jade_902 but not discussed the same way, it embarrassing to me how some put themselves in others bedrooms who are gay but that's it. It's so personal.
Kim Zember is such an insightful, compassionate, holy woman. This thought kept popping into my head as I was watching this clip: "She would be an exceptional psychologist or counsellor."
That's great advice, to love and suffer with them. I am disturbed by the modern usage of that blessed word "truth" when she said it was her mother's truth. The truth _is_ . Either we are right or wrong, she probably meant that is how her mother felt and thought about that difficult issue.
This is great, I’ve often wondered how I could handle this if it happened with my kids. I cannot fathom cutting them out or not loving them. It’s obviously not the right approach. But genuinely curious, how far do you take being a supportive and loving parent, without actually supporting the sin? Like if your child never comes around, and gets has a same sex marriage, and adopts children…. what do you do? 😩
They are picked on and bullied and taught at home many times that they are "pervs" or worse words. It's some gay people, not all, trying to say, This is what I am, leave me alone. Their sex life shouldn't be part of anyone's life and their children shouldn't be shunned or talked about. Just like when I was an interracial couple, good Lord, you'd think my life effected these people, the insults, gross language, hate, the type of person you'd never meet in heaven. Humans can be despicable in their Christianity
@@milagroscapomasi8525 that should be obvious to Christians. We can call out the perversion pushed by institutions, schools and media without attacking people.
My brother is gay and starting to venture into the lifestyle. I've told him that I believe the Church on this and I'm worried about him, but that I love him. We're still close, we still nerd out together for an hour or two at a time about our shared interests. I pray for him a lot. If both people are mature enough, you can deeply disagree on something, and know where the other stands, and it not end the relationship.
Do: Show love and respect with an openness of mind and that you're willing to support them unconditionally. Don't: Disown them or try to convert them into heterosexuals. Also don't tell them they're going to hell.
@@hamie7624 Probably should be obvious from my comments but conversion therapy has never worked and no on is going to hell for being gay. It's absolute arrogance to think earthly paradise awaits them and hell awaits those who choose to form relationships with their own sex.
@@hamie7624 It's cowardice grounded in an unwavering narcissistic passion to be liked by everyone. Homosexual lust is merely lust. Lust of any kind is evil, it is a lie, a perversion of love that Satan tempts us with. Having the temptation is not a sin, but acting on it in any way certainly is. It must never be accepted as good. If someone comes out as having homosexual temptations, then treat them as kindly as anyone, for literally EVERYONE has sinful temptations. But lead them away from the sin, and not towards it. For if they follow that urge, they are indeed following a path to Hell.
Close but not quite. Support them as people and treat them with dignity. But call out the sinful acts that lead to hell. True that sexual attraction is not a sin but giving into lust is.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:00 *🗣️ Personal Experience with Coming Out* - Kim, the speaker, shares her experiences about 'coming out' related to same-sex attraction, setting the scene of the conversation with a Priest who influenced her decision. - Talks about viewing the sunset and seeing colors in a new light as an epiphany during the transition of coming out. She interprets it as a potential sign from God appreciating her transparency, although not necessarily endorsing her subsequent decisions. 02:31 *👪 Family Reactions and Being Honest* - Retells her experience coming out to her family, specifically her mom who had asked her about her sexuality previously. - Distinguishes between celebrating a person (their honesty and authenticity) and celebrating their decisions or actions. 03:38 *🎯 Advice for Parents on Handling Their Children's Coming Out* - Urges parents to meet their children where they are at, without unwarranted celebration or condemnation. - Advocates for parents to maintain their beliefs but refrain from reiterating disapproval of their child's sexuality. 04:59 *💭 Broader Insights into Dealing with Homosexuality from a Spiritual Perspective* - Discusses bearing the burden of sin, using analogies to highlight the individual's experiences, for example, the hangover after getting drunk. - Emphasizes on the need to ask the Holy Spirit for guidance on how to bear the burden when loved ones engage in various lifestyles that go against divine orders, including homosexuality. - Concludes by touching upon the societal tendency to amplify the sin of homosexuality over other sins, which often makes individuals struggling with same-sex attraction feel like 'lepers' within society. Made with HARPA AI
Ew… She just divorced human compassion from Divine compassion, even though true human compassion is Divine compassion, because all that it is to be God and all that is truly human finds its reality in the theandric God-Man. If there was any measure of genuine compassion coming from the guy she was speaking of, then it was of God. Freakin’ dualists, man🙄
It's a serious sin to break the Priesthood though, God implemented the Priesthood to last not just one's entire life, but for all eternity. I'm pretty sure Martin Luther did the exact thing, I.e. got married. And the Nun he married, he got her to break her vows of celibacy as well. I don't know how Protestants can look up to him, his behavior is like a demon compared to our beloved Catholic Saints.
@@amdg672 They can leave and be Catholic and married. Nuns can leave, it's not a life sentence. If they find they made an error, it's better to leave than be a bad priest.
Priestly celibacy is not normal either. Leaving the "priesthood" and marrying a woman is also a release from an unbiblical lifestyle and moving to what is the normal Christian experience, at least for some people..
Then why does St Paul say it's better to be celibate (1 Corinthians 7:32-38)? Why does Christ say that some are "eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom" and "he that can receive is ought to receive it" (Matthew 19:12-14)? I don't see how anyone can claim celibacy is unbiblical.
Watering down the Faith, apparently. Sure they will say to not practice the sin that cries out to Heaven, but these tones are very soft and ultimately do more harm than good. Sin is sin in deed and thought. Now imagine someone is not told from the beginning to repent, instead saying “God loves you the way you are, you’re being yourself”, and then something happens to them soon after, sending that person to hell. Is that true love?
@@MB-zn9vg "Sure they will say to not practice the sin " Preemptive accusation, hypocritical. "the sin that cries out to Heaven" That's an invented category. "but these tones are very soft and ultimately do more harm than good. " Heven forbid you be anything but a grating harpy about it. "Now imagine someone is not told from the beginning to repent, instead saying “God loves you the way you are, you’re being yourself”, " That's not even what these two are suggesting, although it would be better. "Now imagine someone is not told from the beginning to repent, instead saying “God loves you the way you are, you’re being yourself”, " All sin sends you to hell, a Queer Christian is safer than any Heterosexual atheist.
But do those moms point out when 95 % of kids sleep and live together, the same thing? I think not. No one looks at it the same, she's right, they just love to talk about gay sex when that is a small part of relationships really. It's the connection she talks about, friendship. People are fascinated with the gay couple in the building and not the 50 other couples who are hetrosexual living together. I don't think it is very different.
@deb9806 Fornication Adultry Sex before marriage, mastribation all forms of sinful disorder. Along with abortion contraception, divorcing wife or husband because person cannot be Loyola, or recognize we are all sinners. Only way to protect yourself is to put on the armor of Christ. I feel very fortunate being a Catholic man.
Love isn't a sin. Fornication is not a sin. Pre-marital sex is not a sin. Masturbation is not a sin. Contraception is not a sin. Divorce is not inherently a sin. These are all made-up rules.
@@IhsansShade1 Please cite sources. I'm open to any new information, but considering even some non human animals exhibit same sex attraction, it's safe to say that sometimes, the wires just get crossed.
Great video, though it must be said (and I'm not correcting her as shes right that all sexual sin is bad) but I dont want to gloss over that homosexual sin specifically cries out to God for vengeance. So there is another degree to it. With that said, I agree with everything else on how to help people with these disordered desires.
@@desertrose0601 It's not really. They wanted couples to procreate, they felt I'm sure that if you were having any type of sex and not married, it was just for pleasure. But lust in any form and with anyone is bad.
@desertrose0601 The idea that sins dont have a sliding scale of bad to worst is just false. We even have venial and mortal sin as two seperate categories as an example but heres the verse. Genesis 18:20-21 20 And the Lord said: The cry of Sodom and Gomorrha is multiplied, and their sin is become exceedingly grievous. 21 I will go down and see whether they have done according to the cry that is come to me: or whether it be not so, that I may know. Also homosexual sin is, on top of being sinful for sex outside a valid marriage in that its always a sin given homosexual marriage is not valid, it's a sin against nature itself. There is never under any circumstances where homosexuals can produce life through the sexual act. So not only can sex between homosexuals break the sin of sex outside of marriage, they also cannot follow one of God's first commands "Be fruitful and multiply".
"homosexual sin specifically cries out to God for vengeance. So there is another degree to it." You made that yo entirely, that's not in the Bible, Jesus never said that. "We even have venial and mortal sin as two seperate categories as an example" These are also categories that are entirely made up.
@@YouNoob573 OH... Totally misunderstood your joke... Now I get it. It's actually a lot better the way you actually meant it, the way I interpreted it was actually very disturbing.
I haven’t watched the full interview and it’s not exactly clear what she is talking about, but something is off about this lady. I have never, ever heard anyone say that God was saying “thank you” to them. Seems chillingly narcissistic.
The Bible mentions many times the smile of God. God smiling at us is biblical (Num 6:24-26 for example). The Father loves His Children, being loved by the Father is not narcissistic.
He bore her burden. But he made her burden less in order to make his bearing it with her easier for him. Secular society envisages compassion as only making other's lives easier. But in reality, real compassion is bearing others burdens with them. Bearing the burden of accepting and embracing ones same sex attraction is an easier burden to bear than the one Christ calls us to. And I think that although we want to have compassion and bear others burdens, but we don't want to bear the burden God calls us to, so we subvert others' burdens to make our bearing their burden easier on us. We pretend to have the compassion of Jesus, to feel like we are good and holy, but without actually having the compassion of Christ. It's a selfish motivation to get the feeling of holiness without the work of actually being holy. Typical sin. This seems to be the case in euthanasia, pro choice advocacy and in LGBT supporters.
@@theignorantcatholic Perhaps that’s the problem. If you don’t see the connection between the subject of Love and Queer people it’s likely that your conception of then is inaccurate.
My oldest told me he was bisexual. Broke my heart. I’m the only person I know who thinks I’m crazy not accepting this. I met his partner. Nice chap. Still breaks my heart
She looks and talks pretty masculine, so it doesn’t surprise me that she is a lesbian. Or maybe that is just my prejudice and I am projecting onto her?
It’s a difficult subject. Gays should be loved and respected as human beings created in the image and likeness of God. However, the lifestyle is not a means of celebration. I lived that lifestyle for 20 years, and it was surprisingly very stressful and not liberating at all. I drank and smoked heavily to cope, and it nearly killed me. I went to confession and have been celibate for 6 years.
I’m an orthodox christian and I respect you alot, I respect everyone on this earth even the worst sinners, cause I am also one, I agree with you that everyone should be respected even gay people ! God bless you ! 🙏❤️
God Bless you for this witness! Its going to help someone
Every person, like you, who experiences same-sex attraction and commits to living in accordance with the church's teaching on human sexuality -- despite having to face the judgment, condescension, contempt and arrogance amply demonstrated in these comments -- is exercising heroic virtue, in my opinion.
I hope you know you don’t have to confess to a MAN. You do need to work on not being attracted to someone who is the same sex as yourself or you’re really not out of it. 🙏🏼
@@JesusChristismySavior-Julie Jesus Christ is that man
I love her emphasis on not minimizing heterosexual sin in light of homosexuality. I have met people who love to talk about how deep in sin homosexuals might be, while also fornicating on a monthly basis.
Forking fornicators are the worst.
That's what ticks them off, most people live together today, marriage is down but those gays are destroying the world. lol I never met a gay person who didn't seem more charitable than the "Christians" spouting hate. They aren't worried about their sin. Jesus talked of feeding the poor, helping the helpless, loving your neighbor more than yourself really but the only ones they want saved, aren't the politicians who are shady, not the people committing fraud and not the guys cheating on their wives or molesting kids, not all the fornicating couples that church marries weekly, not the many who sin like we all do daily, let's protest rainbow shirts at Target. If you can't see the idiocy of that, it's like a way to deflect from all the other sins.
True, but there is a slight and important difference. A fornicating Christian knows he is sinning and might even repent. A homosexual in today's western culture does not see it as a sin. For him it is an identity to be celebrated and be proud of. This is not to minimize fornication. But to highlight the crisis of open homosexuality. Whereas a Christian father can sit his son down and tell him that fornication is a sin, he cannot tell his son that being gay is a sin. The culture has labeled it an irreversible orientation.
@@davidej6310 good point! God bless.
@@davidej6310 I don’t believe that most gay people can stop being gay and I’ve never seen that and I’m in my 60s and I have known gay couples for many years. There is no way someone would want to be that different and put up with the hatred they have to put up with it on purpose, and I know the young men and women who have hurt themselves or committed suicide over them being that way, being bullied ,did not choose that.
I am living this. Prayers for my son Isaiah would be amazing. He came out to us almost a year ago. We had a big conversation and he knows we love him (though I did view him differently for awhile) and I cried behind closed doors to my Husband (yes some may judge me for that but it’s true).
He’s only 15 so thankfully has had no experience, not even a first kiss, with a male (or female). To say I’m not hoping that it was just confusion, would be a lie. And I have no idea how I’m going to cope with future things if he is actually gay. But I love him sooo much and I know God will carry us through 🙏🏽
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Shut up hon', take out your bizare disgut obsession with gay sex somewhere else.
Love is not a sin, that is first and foremost, but I can tell you that if you react to everything with shock, fear and disappointment, even if he does turn out to like women, you will have destroyed both his trust and his respect for you.
Having been in Isaiah’s situation many years ago, I advise you to get him as far away from Catholic schools as you can. I am still suffering from PTSD 47 years later from religious abuse. Catholics are a bad influence one young gay men because Catholics expect the worst of them. The other catholic students will constantly degrade and shame him even though he is abstinent. Catholic schools are suicide factories.
I didn’t have any friends until my senior year in college when a straight student raised without religion befriended me. He was a perfect role model. I would still give my life to save his.
DON'T DISOWN THEM. You'd be shocked how many parents stupidly resort to this. They are your own flesh and blood. You made them, now love them.
Disowning them will only push them away, and ironically DEEPER into that lifestyle. It will make them see you (and Christianity) as an untrustworthy enemy, and it will be entirely your fault.
Jesus didn't shame the woman caught in adultery. He saved her.
Leave them to it if that's their choice. But don't have it in your house or near your other kids ..scandal. Prodigal son scenario...if it's God's will..leave it to God.
I saw a guy on PBS who's mom burned all this things, had a bonfire, disowned him. Well he ended up getting help with college, getting a job, partner, therapy, tried to see her one more time, nope. That is a mother I will never understand when she was loving before, but they exist. God help her.
@@deb9806 And people have been killed for being gay, bullied, some commit suicide. That is what talk about "them" does. It gives permission for kids and teens to be mean and think its justified. Any death caused by people judging is a sin for the ones who did it or pushed them there.
Yes, but our Lord was not accepting of her sin, instructing her to sin no more in John 8, and recall that in John 5 Jesus warns that worse might befall a sinner who returns to sinning.
Compassion is key, but it cannot be without wisdom. Loving somebody and letting them continue to sit at your table for meals and sleep under the same roof is helping surround them with positive prayer and consideration. That wouldn't be the case if they were bringing same sex "partners" and you were playing ignorant and treating them as friends, letting them "sleepover" enabling grave sin.
@@MrCheesywaffles But why aren't there videos and podcasts of the thousands of parents who say it's ok for their hetro kids to procreate in their home? Why when 99% of the couples being married have had sex (and this has been for decades) is it not considered bad. This hypocrisy is what the "prideful" gays mean by being unfair. You can rate the sex sins if you want but I doubt to someone who only likes same sex, it seems different to them. We need to be able to see things from both ends even if we don't agree.
This is the first interview of Matt's that I could not turn off and listen to later. I was on my lunch break. I put a leave of absence just so I could finish the show. God bless you Kim for sharing your story.
Bruh be responsible come on. Video Can wait
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Wow! 3:00 onward. Thanks for exploring this topic and doing so with such honesty. The power of not talking, the power of holding someone and crying with them, allowing them to cry. Wow!
Fr. James Martin creeping like….. 🙂”hey.”
That was cool wasn’t it!
Oh my gosh this made me cry. In my 20’s I moved in with my boyfriend. We hid from his parents but my parents knew and even helped me move. They said later it was the hardest thing they ever did. But what they did for me during that time was the greatest gift they ever game me. They kept their hearts connected to mine. I ended up marrying that guy. We have three beautiful children and are serving the Lord. God didn’t let go of me, my parents didn’t let go of me, and somewhere inside I held on to the principles I’d been raised with and God brought me through. It’s not a matter of if we sun but when we sin and how can we as Christians best love someone exactly where they are and let the Holy Spirit do what he needs to do.
It's very interesting to me that I only found out in my 20s that my dad had thought I was lesbian for years, due to my complete lack of crushes on/interest in boys except as friends. Apparently he was afraid he'd scare me away if he asked about it so he had been waiting for me to mention it to him. In reality I'm basically asexual. I also have attachment issues, particularly with other women (mostly from being raised by a highly intrusive, dysfunctional mother) which meant I wouldn't in a million years have thought of women as "safe" to be in even a friendship with, let alone anything more intimate...hence why all the guy friends. But just knowing that at least one of my parents wasn't going to disown me even though they thought I was gay meant everything to me.
In my opinion, if you're a parent and you care about your kids, pushing them away further because your ego is hurt/you feel shame that other people will judge your parenting if your kid has SSA, isn't going to help. It will just show your kid that you are more attuned to the judgement of others than you are to your own child's suffering.
Wow! Sounds like an old friend of mine, never interested in relationships or even growing up
Amen.
Her point just at the end is often missed by so many. I hated when my classmates would put down homosexuals so aggressively when they were busy fornicating. Double standards irked me a great deal. Lust is lust, sin is sin, mortal sin is mortal sin.
Just commented something very similar. Its definitely a blind spot in todays Christian youth.
Yes, but homosexual sin is worse. Even the demons are disgusted by it.
@@iamfromireland I don't think there is a scale.
@@iamfromirelandmortal sin is mortal sin. Demons want us to fall to mortal sin and so they love it when we engage in these disorderly acts.
The sin ranks with those which cry vengeance from heaven along with wilful murder, oppression of the poor, defrauding the labourer of their wages, the cry of the widow and orphan. CCC1867 - This is certainly is a difference for example fornication while mortally sinful, we must admit that it is a natural act. Homosexual acts are contrary to the nature and sterile in themselves. @Lindsay
This is a beautiful serious conversation, but that Fr. James Martin sliding in in the corner was gold!! xD
That made no sense to me. I've met Fr Martin, bought his book on prayer which is very good, used his Bridges book at church. He gets a lot of flak from a few but the Vatican and many others don't think helping gay youth and adults feel loved by the church is wrong. He doesn't say to live in sin. I bet 99% of his critics never opened a book of his.
THE EDITING!!! 😂😂😂 I absolutely died when Fr Martin popped up in the corner lmaooo
Terrific guest. God bless her!
I totally agree...I never understood why homosexual sin was seen as the big sin and what about literally every other sin that is also grave.
Well, I would guess because it is unnatural? I also think because of the way society is trying to forcibly normalize it. Of course, society has very much so normalized heterosexual sins as well. Yes…sexual sin seems to be disappearing from society, but that sure doesn’t mean it’s not there and seen by God.
@@archibaldy1929 It's been around forever but hidden. The way I look at it, hiding it didn't do any good, normalizing it just means, people don't have to marry and play both sides, or lie about girlfriends or join the army or become a priest, anything to stop Aunt Patty from fixing him up with someone . (half in jest but its true)
Any sex outside of marriage is a sin.
@@Jade_902 but not discussed the same way, it embarrassing to me how some put themselves in others bedrooms who are gay but that's it. It's so personal.
Because it is. It’s the ultimate abuse.
Kim Zember is such an insightful, compassionate, holy woman. This thought kept popping into my head as I was watching this clip: "She would be an exceptional psychologist or counsellor."
That's great advice, to love and suffer with them. I am disturbed by the modern usage of that blessed word "truth" when she said it was her mother's truth. The truth _is_ . Either we are right or wrong, she probably meant that is how her mother felt and thought about that difficult issue.
This is great, I’ve often wondered how I could handle this if it happened with my kids. I cannot fathom cutting them out or not loving them. It’s obviously not the right approach.
But genuinely curious, how far do you take being a supportive and loving parent, without actually supporting the sin?
Like if your child never comes around, and gets has a same sex marriage, and adopts children…. what do you do? 😩
I have that dilemma
You pray for them unceasingly
Love them, love the people they love, have firm rules for behavior in your house, and pray pray pray.
It's not your job to change anybody so you're worried over something you shouldn't even be doing.
What's more, Love isn't a sin to begin with.
@@jacobbroge2018Why would you pray for them to get divorced and for their children to come from a broken home?
You know why its pointed at and highlighted? Because nobody else has a month long celebration for their sins nor books to normalize it in school
True, but that it is not the kids with same sex attraction fault.
They are picked on and bullied and taught at home many times that they are "pervs" or worse words. It's some gay people, not all, trying to say, This is what I am, leave me alone. Their sex life shouldn't be part of anyone's life and their children shouldn't be shunned or talked about. Just like when I was an interracial couple, good Lord, you'd think my life effected these people, the insults, gross language, hate, the type of person you'd never meet in heaven. Humans can be despicable in their Christianity
@@deb9806 that isnt Christian, and neither is celebrating sexual sin for an entire month.
@@milagroscapomasi8525 that should be obvious to Christians. We can call out the perversion pushed by institutions, schools and media without attacking people.
Catholics have Lent which lasts forty days and they even have schools where they try to normalise it.
Thank you for sharing this, hard to admit to be so wrong
My brother is gay and starting to venture into the lifestyle. I've told him that I believe the Church on this and I'm worried about him, but that I love him.
We're still close, we still nerd out together for an hour or two at a time about our shared interests. I pray for him a lot. If both people are mature enough, you can deeply disagree on something, and know where the other stands, and it not end the relationship.
No such thing as a "gay lifestyle".
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I agree with you. I dont understand why they do this.
James Martin edit😂
Do: Show love and respect with an openness of mind and that you're willing to support them unconditionally.
Don't: Disown them or try to convert them into heterosexuals. Also don't tell them they're going to hell.
Soooo....dont be real with them? That's not love.
@@hamie7624 Probably should be obvious from my comments but conversion therapy has never worked and no on is going to hell for being gay. It's absolute arrogance to think earthly paradise awaits them and hell awaits those who choose to form relationships with their own sex.
@@hamie7624 It's cowardice grounded in an unwavering narcissistic passion to be liked by everyone.
Homosexual lust is merely lust. Lust of any kind is evil, it is a lie, a perversion of love that Satan tempts us with. Having the temptation is not a sin, but acting on it in any way certainly is. It must never be accepted as good.
If someone comes out as having homosexual temptations, then treat them as kindly as anyone, for literally EVERYONE has sinful temptations. But lead them away from the sin, and not towards it. For if they follow that urge, they are indeed following a path to Hell.
@@mr.cheese7763 based.
Close but not quite. Support them as people and treat them with dignity. But call out the sinful acts that lead to hell. True that sexual attraction is not a sin but giving into lust is.
Greatest sinners can be the greatest saints. Put on the armor of Christ❤
I am Patrick…a sinner.
She’s either a liar or a sociopath.
“Oh, father James Martin popped up!” Any indirects!?! 😊
🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:00 *🗣️ Personal Experience with Coming Out*
- Kim, the speaker, shares her experiences about 'coming out' related to same-sex attraction, setting the scene of the conversation with a Priest who influenced her decision.
- Talks about viewing the sunset and seeing colors in a new light as an epiphany during the transition of coming out. She interprets it as a potential sign from God appreciating her transparency, although not necessarily endorsing her subsequent decisions.
02:31 *👪 Family Reactions and Being Honest*
- Retells her experience coming out to her family, specifically her mom who had asked her about her sexuality previously.
- Distinguishes between celebrating a person (their honesty and authenticity) and celebrating their decisions or actions.
03:38 *🎯 Advice for Parents on Handling Their Children's Coming Out*
- Urges parents to meet their children where they are at, without unwarranted celebration or condemnation.
- Advocates for parents to maintain their beliefs but refrain from reiterating disapproval of their child's sexuality.
04:59 *💭 Broader Insights into Dealing with Homosexuality from a Spiritual Perspective*
- Discusses bearing the burden of sin, using analogies to highlight the individual's experiences, for example, the hangover after getting drunk.
- Emphasizes on the need to ask the Holy Spirit for guidance on how to bear the burden when loved ones engage in various lifestyles that go against divine orders, including homosexuality.
- Concludes by touching upon the societal tendency to amplify the sin of homosexuality over other sins, which often makes individuals struggling with same-sex attraction feel like 'lepers' within society.
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It’s baffling to me how many of these comments are literally missing the point 🤦🏾♂️
Very good to see kim still out there fighting for the truth (and after kim spent a week with us in Northern Colorado)!
It's a propaganda war, it's a distraction from the actual debate.
Did anyone else think, from the thumbnail, that this was MTG (Marjorie Taylor Greene)?
Ew… She just divorced human compassion from Divine compassion, even though true human compassion is Divine compassion, because all that it is to be God and all that is truly human finds its reality in the theandric God-Man. If there was any measure of genuine compassion coming from the guy she was speaking of, then it was of God.
Freakin’ dualists, man🙄
Everything else in this video was good except for that part.
Helpful🧡
"What do do if your child comes out with Kim Zember" how would his coming out alongside Kim Zember be any different than his coming out alone?
Lol 😂👍
Those are two different sentences
@@leekflower1 that's the joke
In the beginning she talks about a priest who's "not a priest anymore", and married? How's that even possible??
Priests can be defrocked.
Some leave the priesthood on their own accord.
It's a serious sin to break the Priesthood though, God implemented the Priesthood to last not just one's entire life, but for all eternity. I'm pretty sure Martin Luther did the exact thing, I.e. got married. And the Nun he married, he got her to break her vows of celibacy as well. I don't know how Protestants can look up to him, his behavior is like a demon compared to our beloved Catholic Saints.
@@amdg672 But that means also leaving the Church?
@@amdg672 They can leave and be Catholic and married. Nuns can leave, it's not a life sentence. If they find they made an error, it's better to leave than be a bad priest.
Priestly celibacy is not normal either. Leaving the "priesthood" and marrying a woman is also a release from an unbiblical lifestyle and moving to what is the normal Christian experience, at least for some people..
Then why does St Paul say it's better to be celibate (1 Corinthians 7:32-38)? Why does Christ say that some are "eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom" and "he that can receive is ought to receive it" (Matthew 19:12-14)?
I don't see how anyone can claim celibacy is unbiblical.
@@JP2GiannaT
It's not unbiblical, but it is abnormal.
Though why normalcy should be a moral indicator I couldn't say.
I’m not sure on which position you or your guest stands.
Watering down the Faith, apparently. Sure they will say to not practice the sin that cries out to Heaven, but these tones are very soft and ultimately do more harm than good. Sin is sin in deed and thought. Now imagine someone is not told from the beginning to repent, instead saying “God loves you the way you are, you’re being yourself”, and then something happens to them soon after, sending that person to hell. Is that true love?
@@MB-zn9vg
"Sure they will say to not practice the sin "
Preemptive accusation, hypocritical.
"the sin that cries out to Heaven"
That's an invented category.
"but these tones are very soft and ultimately do more harm than good. "
Heven forbid you be anything but a grating harpy about it.
"Now imagine someone is not told from the beginning to repent, instead saying “God loves you the way you are, you’re being yourself”, "
That's not even what these two are suggesting, although it would be better.
"Now imagine someone is not told from the beginning to repent, instead saying “God loves you the way you are, you’re being yourself”, "
All sin sends you to hell, a Queer Christian is safer than any Heterosexual atheist.
First advice? Don't make it about the bible and sin as the first response. First and foremost, it's between you and your child.
She is fortunate to have a mother who loved her and gave her a foundation of what sin is?
But do those moms point out when 95 % of kids sleep and live together, the same thing? I think not. No one looks at it the same, she's right, they just love to talk about gay sex when that is a small part of relationships really. It's the connection she talks about, friendship. People are fascinated with the gay couple in the building and not the 50 other couples who are hetrosexual living together. I don't think it is very different.
@deb9806 Fornication Adultry Sex before marriage, mastribation all forms of sinful disorder. Along with abortion contraception, divorcing wife or husband because person cannot be Loyola, or recognize we are all sinners. Only way to protect yourself is to put on the armor of Christ. I feel very fortunate being a Catholic man.
Love isn't a sin.
Fornication is not a sin.
Pre-marital sex is not a sin.
Masturbation is not a sin.
Contraception is not a sin.
Divorce is not inherently a sin.
These are all made-up rules.
This woman is amazing
Serious question. So the best outcome of being born same sex attracted means one should endure a lifetime of celibacy?
Christ was celibate. Mary was celibate. Celibacy is only bad in a society that sees sex as it’s own god.
Nobody is "born" with same sex attraction.
Looks like it !!! If you’re a heterosexual whore, it’s only a little sin. But if you’re a homosexual monogamist , that’s unforgivable. Please!!
@@IhsansShade1 I've known teens who knew by puberty but most don't start feeling sexual before then.
@@IhsansShade1 Please cite sources. I'm open to any new information, but considering even some non human animals exhibit same sex attraction, it's safe to say that sometimes, the wires just get crossed.
Why did God make us so complex?
Sounds like a lot to Cope with your SIn.
Great video, though it must be said (and I'm not correcting her as shes right that all sexual sin is bad) but I dont want to gloss over that homosexual sin specifically cries out to God for vengeance. So there is another degree to it. With that said, I agree with everything else on how to help people with these disordered desires.
How so? Why is that sin any worse than any other?
@@desertrose0601 It's not really. They wanted couples to procreate, they felt I'm sure that if you were having any type of sex and not married, it was just for pleasure. But lust in any form and with anyone is bad.
@desertrose0601 The idea that sins dont have a sliding scale of bad to worst is just false. We even have venial and mortal sin as two seperate categories as an example but heres the verse.
Genesis 18:20-21
20 And the Lord said: The cry of Sodom and Gomorrha is multiplied, and their sin is become exceedingly grievous. 21 I will go down and see whether they have done according to the cry that is come to me: or whether it be not so, that I may know.
Also homosexual sin is, on top of being sinful for sex outside a valid marriage in that its always a sin given homosexual marriage is not valid, it's a sin against nature itself. There is never under any circumstances where homosexuals can produce life through the sexual act. So not only can sex between homosexuals break the sin of sex outside of marriage, they also cannot follow one of God's first commands "Be fruitful and multiply".
@@desertrose0601read your Bible. It’s abomination
"homosexual sin specifically cries out to God for vengeance. So there is another degree to it."
You made that yo entirely, that's not in the Bible, Jesus never said that.
"We even have venial and mortal sin as two seperate categories as an example"
These are also categories that are entirely made up.
Are you supporting throwing gays away into hell or what?. I wasn’t sure
Well when your child comes out usually most mothers breastfeed it.
LOL good one!
Ha! Good gosh.
Although on second thought.... wouldn't that only work on male children?
@@gunsgalore7571 What do you mean ?
when the child comes out of the mother it needs to be fed.
@@YouNoob573 OH... Totally misunderstood your joke... Now I get it. It's actually a lot better the way you actually meant it, the way I interpreted it was actually very disturbing.
1:32 so creepy xD amazing frank talk
I've known many SSA who experienced some level of CSA or other abuse at a VERY young age, so that's something else to keep in mind.
There is no correlation, that's just anecdotal stories and myths.
I haven’t watched the full interview and it’s not exactly clear what she is talking about, but something is off about this lady. I have never, ever heard anyone say that God was saying “thank you” to them. Seems chillingly narcissistic.
The Bible mentions many times the smile of God. God smiling at us is biblical (Num 6:24-26 for example). The Father loves His Children, being loved by the Father is not narcissistic.
@@aliciaz4682 Where does God say thank you to a human? You completely missed my point. Was it deliberate?
@@SandyL0uisewatering down the Faith. We must resist this. It is an abomination
He bore her burden. But he made her burden less in order to make his bearing it with her easier for him. Secular society envisages compassion as only making other's lives easier. But in reality, real compassion is bearing others burdens with them.
Bearing the burden of accepting and embracing ones same sex attraction is an easier burden to bear than the one Christ calls us to. And I think that although we want to have compassion and bear others burdens, but we don't want to bear the burden God calls us to, so we subvert others' burdens to make our bearing their burden easier on us.
We pretend to have the compassion of Jesus, to feel like we are good and holy, but without actually having the compassion of Christ. It's a selfish motivation to get the feeling of holiness without the work of actually being holy. Typical sin.
This seems to be the case in euthanasia, pro choice advocacy and in LGBT supporters.
The desire to Love is not a burden, it is an opportunity.
I don't actually know what you are talking about.
@@theignorantcatholic
Perhaps that’s the problem.
If you don’t see the connection between the subject of Love and Queer people it’s likely that your conception of then is inaccurate.
GET OUT OF HERE FR. JAMES MARTIN!!! I SEE YOU!!
My oldest told me he was bisexual. Broke my heart. I’m the only person I know who thinks I’m crazy not accepting this. I met his partner. Nice chap. Still breaks my heart
Tell him it’s a major sin. You cannot cooperate with it.
What part is scaring you.
You want him to die alone, but you claim to love him? Does that really make sense to you?
I pray for you that you overcome your prejudice and come to truly love and accept your son
She looks and talks pretty masculine, so it doesn’t surprise me that she is a lesbian. Or maybe that is just my prejudice and I am projecting onto her?
I'm straight and showed up to a family gathering wearing the same thing as my husband's "butch" lesbian cousin.
Appearances can be decieving.
@@JP2GiannaT that is true, but it in this case, it isn’t.
This is sad. I hope she realizes that she is not wrong to love.