How Jannik Sinner Changed His Serve Technique

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  • @CoachAdrian
    @CoachAdrian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Awesome analysis here! 👍 Sinner definitely improved his serve. Changing from pinpoint to platform is a major change and Sinner makes the transition look easy

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Humbled by your words coach. As you know, very difficult for a player to change a stance like that on the serve, and he did it pretty darn quick! A credit to Jannik and his coaches.
      -Jason Frausto

    • @rovinguser8825
      @rovinguser8825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They may also look at not "falling to the left" with his upper body, Tsitsipas-style. I believe when he gets more emphasis on using hips and core this could be corrected

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rovinguser8825 Another great observation. Agreed.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @blackmarkt2250
    @blackmarkt2250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great insight Jason & team! Was also great watching Mack hang in there to force it to a third. It'll be interesting to watch Sinner's game evolve over time as he puts on more weight and perhaps learns to round out/balance/control his powerful groundstrokes.
    Also noticed Mack used the open stance double backend stab... such a difficult, unnatural and timing sensitive position to hit from.

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. I really like Sinner's "growth mindset", he wants to be at the top of the game and is putting in the work to try to get there.
      Great observation on McDonald. He showed some incredible movement skills on the run yesterday. Thanks for sharing your insights.
      -Jason Frausto

    • @blackmarkt2250
      @blackmarkt2250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TennisUnleashed it's interesting cuz I think Sinner's game will ultimately mirror Djokovic's in the long-run albeit they are coming from different teenage bases (offense v defense oriented).

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blackmarkt2250 Definitely possible. Really looking forward to the US Open.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @alexhe1987
    @alexhe1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    In a nutshell, it's more like Roger's serve. Thanks for the analysis. Great video.

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Definitely more "Federer" style with his own unique elements. Glad you enjoyed the video.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @janniksinner_updates
    @janniksinner_updates 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great analysis, well done 👍

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you. Great to see his progress.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @jnbmusic4092
    @jnbmusic4092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! Really interesting to see the technical changes on Sinner's serve!

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. More breakdowns on the way.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @mflibertine
    @mflibertine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Jason, again, great video and clear explanation. You make it seem so easy to explain and it's like "How could I not see that!!??" so obviously you're a talented/gifted guy. Thank you again! A

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Beyond humbled by your comment. Thank you for taking the time to watch the video. Looking forward to the US Open :)
      -Jason Frausto

  • @nicholaslazarakis7817
    @nicholaslazarakis7817 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great analysis, thanks!

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @regularmouse4230
    @regularmouse4230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting, great analysis

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. More to come.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @ZuperTennis6-0
    @ZuperTennis6-0 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my opinion the most evident change in Sinner's serve, in addition to the starting position of the feet, is certainly in the mobility of the wrist which begins the movement with the head of the racket pointing to the ground and allowing him a further boost to impact. His first ball has gained a lot of power this season.

  • @Nerdimtar
    @Nerdimtar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Majorly insightful, thank you!!

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful. Thank you for watching.
      -Jason Frausto

    • @Nerdimtar
      @Nerdimtar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TennisUnleashed if you look closely at pictures, you'll also notice he changed his grip slightly. He had an opened Continental (index knuckle close to inside edge of bevel #2) and closed it (now close to outside edge of bevel #2). I think that's a bit more aggressive (optimal contact point slightly more in front due to racquet angle)

  • @johnnyblackrants7625
    @johnnyblackrants7625 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the hip angle - specifically the angle between the upper legs and the torso - is the one that explains the far superior balance position on the right. He's straight up and down on the left, not engaging any of the posterior chain stabilizers at all, whereas on the right just that 10-20 degrees of hinge at the hips recruits so much more of that muscle.

  • @jorgeandrescoppiano
    @jorgeandrescoppiano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great eye Jason! I saw the stances and the feet apart. If it wasn't for you and the slow mo, I wouldn't have seen the next changes. The pronation and extension seem better now too.

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. These comparison tools really let you dive deep into the technical changes players make. Agreed 100% on the pronation and extension. Excellent observations by you.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @diabeureudjambeu6172
    @diabeureudjambeu6172 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video ! Keep up the good work

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. More to come.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @jorgeandrescoppiano
    @jorgeandrescoppiano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to hear your thoughts on the serve techniques:
    "knocking the birthday hat" like Roger,
    and "cutting the ponytail" like Ash Barty and Shapovalov

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Good question on Ryan's birthday hat analogy and "cutting the ponytail". Coaches often times use analogies to get their players to do things they otherwise aren't doing. Using analogies with students is a good way to get them to perform motions they might otherwise be incapable of performing. You just have to make sure the analogy you're using accomplishes what you're trying to teach, and that it does it well.
      I think the birthday hat and cutting the ponytail analogies are good, you just have to make sure the timing of when someone does those things is smooth and rhythmic. If I tell a student to knock the birthday hat off, I promise you they'll still have a hitch in their swing. It's up to the teacher to then smooth that out with further instruction etc.
      I often used analogies with my students when it came to explaining leverage and the proper use of the non dominant arm on the forehand. I most often used analogies for technique based issues that I encountered frequently with students.
      -Jason Frausto

    • @jorgeandrescoppiano
      @jorgeandrescoppiano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TennisUnleashed yes, analogies can work very well. I mean the two analogies having different meaning. Roger has that “knock the bday hat” swingpath, while Shapovalov and Ash Bartie “cut their ponytail” in the sense they point their racket head more towards the net. While Roger points it more towards the side fence. What’s your take on the swing paths?

  • @Mbetman
    @Mbetman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing, exactly what I thought about today: Sinners Serve 😂 Thank you!

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We're on the same wavelength ;) Thanks for dropping a comment.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @jackquinnes
    @jackquinnes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Racket drop hasn’t changed, not that drastically at least. Different angles, different views. His hip is low from the get go in his former stance which is unoptimal but it is low enough, just too early. I donno if his former stance looked bad at all otherwise. But the hip movement and racket lag should be seen as positives in his current platform stance serve, no doubt.

    • @johnnyblackrants7625
      @johnnyblackrants7625 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think the racket drop is because of different angles, I think it really is better in the second one. It looks like he's in a little bit early in the old serve - he's doing a bit of volitional racket drop as he drives with his legs, rather than just letting the racket drop back there via inertia as the body yanks it forward. That looks fixed in the second one.

    • @jackquinnes
      @jackquinnes 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnnyblackrants7625 Okay. Thanks for your insight. Must re-check It this in mind.

    • @ksmitobol
      @ksmitobol 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jackquinnes I'm with you on the racket drop level (not significant change). The camera angle on the right is much higher.

  • @peterstern1375
    @peterstern1375 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great analysis! Jannick Sinner actually switched to "platform stance" at Queen's, in doubles at Queen's he was already serving "platform stance" the day after he lost in the first round vs. Jack Draper where he was still serving "foot up", it wasn't exactly "foot up to pin point stance" as his feet where more apart (about 20 cm), when he won his first challenger tournament in February 2019 he was bringing his feet really close together to a "pin point stance" but by the end of the year they where a bit more apart and in Paris 2020 this was more clear. He had always served in a "platform stance" until the end of 2018, during the off season he switched to a "foot up to pin point motion" and it took about a month before it started to work (he lost early in the futures tournaments of January 2019 then suddenly in February 2019 he reached the semi at a challenger in Kazakhstan and won the challenger the week after in Bergamo). Serving platform stance requires more power from the legs, so at Wimbledon he wasn't serving as fast as before, now it's getting better though it will take some more time to get faster than before since he needs to get stronger. The main issue was the low percentage of first serves when serving out the sets, it happened regularly vs. Nadal but also on many other occasions, for instance in the Miami final. In Washington it was a bit better from round 2 to the semis, but in the final the first serve percentage dropped again and he got broken twice when serving for the first set and the match, it will take some time to fix this but should work since the platform stance offers more control and is more natural to him. The serve he had before was more of a hybrid between "foot up" and "platform stance", a couple of times it worked fine, such as at the NextGen finals or Paris 2020 until serving for the first set vs. Nadal but often it was not reliable. The lack of hip drop you pointed out is a good point, it might also be because he was bringing the feet together as if to start off again from a platform stance and tossing from this position with his knees already bent and a bit of lack of body tension on the left side right after that (ideally the hips should slide forward into the court and only after that the knees should fully bend causing the "hip drop", at that point having more weight on the rear foot creates the "archer's bow", interestingly it appears that Jannik Sinner was more in line with this concept in 2019 than 2021, as can be seen at this serve challenge video from the 2019 NextGen finals, though the impression might also be caused by the differing viewpoints of the two videos where filmed from th-cam.com/video/LWMecFccsBg/w-d-xo.html ). The motion was similar to that of Kevin Anderson (although Anderson does not have his knees bent so much already at the moment of the ball toss release and his "sliding of the hips forward" prior to that is more pronounced), but generally it might be better to be more dynamic and shorten the time that the right foot touches the ground, to generate more force from there to drive the right hip up and forward (about 60% of the weight on the right foot in that moment, which is coordinated with the racket starting to drop behind the back, this coordination of racket drop with right leg driving up and turning the hip is one of the main sources of acceleration of the racket head, then the weight moves to the left foot which leaves the ground at the end), a bit as Söderling used to do. He also tends to kick out to the right a bit though it got better, a sign that the timing of the hip rotation is getting more accurate now (ideally after landing the kick should go straight back and not to the side). It would be better to make a comparison between serves at Paris 2020 or 2021 (or Queen's 2021 vs. Draper though there he probably was already training the platform stance and so there might have been influences) and Washington 2021, because the court level serve from Australia is a practice serve and not fully committed, that's probably also part of the reason why he lands close to the line there, and the serve from the Wimbledon practice is just a week after the change, the serving at Washington is after a month of practice so there is quite a difference in accuracy between the two though the mechanics are similar.

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good observations and information Peter. You can see him serving with a platform stance at what looks to be 16 years of age here th-cam.com/video/hRdzNHpnhWA/w-d-xo.html
      So for him, what's old is new again ;) Thanks for sharing your insights. Agreed that his serve at the Citi open looks considerably better than it did just a month or two ago in his platform stance. The go along to get along information has traditionally been that if you're tall that you should serve with a pinpoint stance. Glad to see his coaches were smart enough to go back to more of what we see in that video of him at 16.
      -Jason Frausto

    • @peterstern1375
      @peterstern1375 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TennisUnleashed that's kind of how his coach Riccardo Piatti sees it, he prefers to teach the "platform stance" and keep it for the younger, in order for them to learn the proper serve mechanics with weight transfer and racket drop from a vertical position etc. without having to focus too much on coordinating the movement of the feet, then once they are strong enough he favours the "foot up motion" particularly for taller players. There have been very few tall players with extremely good serves that served "platform stance", Raonic (coached by Piatti, who also coached Federer's coach Ljubicic for his entire career and who was serving big with a foot up motion and similar feet positioning as Sinner had i.e. feet not in a narrow pin point position, then Piatti coached Gasquet for a few years with a platform stance serve and abbreviated motion), Cilic and Todd Martin and perhaps just a few more, now there's Sebastian Korda who is also quite tall and serving platform stance but his serve and that of Tsitsipas are not at the level of Raonic or Cilic when he won the 2014 US Open, at least not yet. Nevertheless some of the best servers actually served "platform stance", but none of them was very tall, the first one might have been John McEnroe then Boris Becker, Sampras, Roddick, Federer. This video vs. Marchenko in November 2018 livestream.com/atp/events/8461387/videos/183827745 is of the first tournament that Sinner served "pin point stance", they had just changed his serve so here he starts from a position similar to Monfils or Roddick with the feet already close and without doing a "foot up" motion. In the previous challenger in Ortisei 2018 he was still serving in "platform stance" similar to now livestream.com/atp/events/8408134/videos/181629461 and the following is a video from February 2019 when he won the challenger in Bergamo serving with a "foot up to pin point stance" and bringing the feet very close together livestream.com/accounts/5057055/events/8575258/player?width=710&height=400&enableInfoAndActivity=true&defaultDrawer=&autoPlay=true&mute=false later that year he didn't have such a narrow pin point stance anymore, as can be seen in this video of the challenger of Ortisei he played right after winning the NextGen finals November 2019 livestream.com/atp/events/8897039/videos/198992513 it's even more evident in 2020 for instance in Paris as can be seen in the following video vs. Nadal at minute 0:48 and 1:25 and 2:31 th-cam.com/video/CHEh8jSteEg/w-d-xo.html They are definitely working a lot to improve and not only on the serve!

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@peterstern1375 Excellent detailed information Peter. I enjoyed the read! Hoping for continued success for Sinner the rest of the year. I'm curious to see how his "movement" continues to develop. Also looking forward to watching the Duckworth match from earlier today to see what happened there.
      -Jason Frausto

    • @ksagstertohi6156
      @ksagstertohi6156 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Show off

  • @at1838
    @at1838 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there such a thing as too much racquet arm lag? Or is it basically if you can meet the ball at a good contact point then lag as much as you can ?

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good question. I personally think you can have too much if it's causing injury or poor contact positions.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @christianhansen1771
    @christianhansen1771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great analysis, however I found your video because I was looking if there was any content out there regarding his serve because I noticed that it had actually gotten weaker.. his speed dropped significantly, the motion does look more fluid but I am not sure whether that's his serve

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Christian. Sometimes we find something for the wrong reasons ;) Sinner is still so young, it will be interesting to see if he stays with his new service motion or ventures back to the old one. His balance is definitely better now, the speed might be lacking as you mentioned.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @TennisUnleashed
    @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Jannik Sinner has made further changes to his serve in 2022. Check out those new changes here th-cam.com/video/DKjQQob16W8/w-d-xo.html
    -Jason Frausto

    • @TaoChen100
      @TaoChen100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Volley I think...

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TaoChen100 Agreed 100%. He can definitely continue to work on his net skills.
      -Jason Frausto

    • @rovinguser8825
      @rovinguser8825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He has a habit of running the opponent too much schematic side to side on the baseline, this was quite clear in the final against McDonald. Should go more " behind " an opponent (wrongfooting him) with his powerful baseline strokes

    • @rovinguser8825
      @rovinguser8825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In the same category : more variation in his baseline strokes. Where is the powerful slice backhand to draw a shorter ball from the opponent / vary spin and height of the groundstrokes? This young man has quite a high ceiling / many things to add to this game

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@rovinguser8825 Excellent point. He's sort of a one speed for everything player right now. He could definitely hit behind his opponents more often to wrong foot them.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @yourlocalpotato7483
    @yourlocalpotato7483 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey thanks for the video. Could you do a Denis shapovalov forehand technique analysis?

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No problem. Thanks for watching. I’ll definitely add a Shapo forehand analysis to the list. I can definitely go over the key components of his forehand.
      -Jadon Frausto

    • @bandhavipulavarti1309
      @bandhavipulavarti1309 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TennisUnleashed wow thanks i need this too. just subbed keep up the great content man!!

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bandhavipulavarti1309 You're welcome and thank you for the kind words. More to come.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @alandasher8789
    @alandasher8789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very practical points too help a rec player like myself ,as Sinners serve is more rec player friendly then pinpoint in my opinion...NOTE: Sinner is my pick for the next IT guy in pro Tennis.. I might consider betting on pro Tennis with this guy as my choice ....I just see this guy ripping up records and setting a new bar...

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed the video Alan. 100% agree, platform is much easier to coordinate for the vast majority of players. I think you're right about Sinner, he's ascending quickly this year.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @Tennisbull-match-statistics
    @Tennisbull-match-statistics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, that must be really difficult to change a serve in the middle of a season

    • @sergiosimbula
      @sergiosimbula 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      His mindset allows for that. Because although everybody is focusing on his age and ranking he is only concerned with getting better every day. Him and his coach Piatti have very clear long-term goals. And given his dedication and natural hitting skills I wouldn't be surprised if he gets to all of them.

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A very difficult change to make in the middle of the season. His coaching team is very smart. They implemented it between the 2021 French Open and Wimbledon and then he took more time off and skipped the Olympics where I believe they refined the timing even more. Excellent coaching and willingness from Jannik to do this.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @dardoporta5346
    @dardoporta5346 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So.. Can we consider that platform is better than pinpoint? the cause why he did that change?

  • @azr_flyingitaliann9800
    @azr_flyingitaliann9800 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Musetti backhand pls just subscribed👍

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ll definitely add it to the list. Happy to have you as a subscriber.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @RameshPatel-yf9qo
    @RameshPatel-yf9qo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do a video on djokovic vs zverev from olympics

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'll definitely add it to the list.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @trex1448
    @trex1448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    platform is more stable. Pin point gets you higher angle.

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. Definitely easier to maintain better balance and stability with a platform stance.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @TheDeadlyKnight
    @TheDeadlyKnight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn’t think players changed techniques mid- season. I always assumed it was strictly off-season work

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Credit to his team for making the change during the season. That can be incredibly hard to do.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @SHVideografie
    @SHVideografie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It seems like he wants to emulate Federer's serve.

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      100%. Definitely similar to Federer's serve technique.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @silviosarunic3234
    @silviosarunic3234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    pinpoint serves are more inaccurate and you use more energy that is not necesary
    Roger has the best serve in tennus history

    • @TennisUnleashed
      @TennisUnleashed  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those are all good points. Roger definitely has an amazing platform stance serve, but we see some great pinpoint stance servers these days as well. Thanks for sharing your insights.
      -Jason Frausto

  • @derekshute7293
    @derekshute7293 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    his serve got worse tbh