FAA testing changes are coming. Are you ready?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2024
- The FAA has released new Airman Certification Standards and Practical Test Standards that go into effect on May 31, 2024. Anyone taking a practical test from that date forward will be tested to the new standards. Fortunately, Pat and Jamie have some insight to share and have a couple laughs along the way. By the end of this video you'll be much more comfortable with the changes. That's true whether you're a student/learner/applicant, or a CFI getting ready to sign off a client.
Your comment, "if you show up to my check-ride with an EFB, you'd better know how to use it," suggests you're penalizing students for flying with them. This is but the latest example of an FAA unable to evolve with a rapidly changing industry. Given their ubiquitous nature - both privately and commercially - you may want to rethink your stance Mr. DPE. Discouraging EFBs on a check-ride, is to discourage their use in training, and it will result in your students falling behind their peers. EFBs greatly increase accuracy, provide up-to-the-minute weather data, and simplifies navigational tasks. Just about every part 121 operation out there issues them to their pilots and part 135 operations absent an EFB in the cockpit are becoming rare. I wish the FAA would acknowledge today's realities and put the 20th century in the rear-view mirror. Yes, there is VALUE in learning older methods as they provide a great deal of insight, but they're no longer the norm.
We’re sure it wasn’t your intent to advocate for pilot applicants carrying tools in the cockpit they’re not adept at using, but your comment reads just that way. If it’s in the panel the applicant must demonstrate a capability to use the device. The same is true for the tools and devices we bring along on our rides.
I agree with that. Not that you have to know every little feature in ForeFlight but at least be able to use the major functions that make it the useful tool that it is.
Josh, the new ACSs specifically mentions EFBs, so I have to incorporate that into the evaluation.
I've never discouraged the use of EFBs, but if one is used on the ride, the applicant is expected to know, within reason, how to use it.
For example, if it's used to create the flight log for the cross country, I expect the applicant to know what the app takes into account when calculating the heading. If they don't, that's going to be a problem.
In addition, depending on the technology providing weather information to the EFB, said information is not "up to the minute". Sadly, there are fatalities on record b/c some pilots have mistakenly thought the weather being displayed was real time.
Yep and if you’re not going to do anything on paper you better be prepared to show understanding true vs. magnetic, figuring fuel burn, and figuring weight and balance and wind correction and groundspeed from winds aloft. Lots of concepts you put yourself at risk of not getting if you choose to go your entire learning career not doing anything on paper.
Just the opposite. If you're carrying an EFB, you must now how to use it to reap its full benefits. As a professional who's been teaching for some time, the passion you demonstrated in the video with respect to EFBs suggests you harbor a strong negative bias toward them. This is becoming increasingly common amongst instructors within our industry and it frustrates me that we allow this into educational settings. The FOI addresses bias, discusses its impacts, and makes it clear we must check our own at the door and before entering that learning environment if we wish to instill in our students the sort of attituded we're looking to foment in aviation. Replay the video and I mean take a really close look at it - does it read as if you might be unfairly harsh towards a student leveraging an EFB in the cockpit? If I had a check-ride coming up, I'd think twice about giving you a call. Nothing personal here. You come off as a DPE with years of experience behind you, but the above video isn't exactly inspiring toward younger students coming of age at a time when everything is going electronic. My humble 10 cents.
Why does the FAA not publish a document that highlights all the changes and record a webinar to explain any changes in the testing philosophy? Great job Jamie and Pat!
An excellent suggestion@markboguski6061.
Hi Mark, That would be nice but, in the meantime, you can look at the new "ACS Companion Guide For Pilots" for a list of ACS codes that have been archived (removed) from several of the ACSs. Also, at the beginning of each ACS, there is a page that lists everything that has been added, and everything that has been removed (by ACS code). So, it'll take a bit of work, but the info is there.
This is great info to pass on to my Flight Instructor. Thanks!
We’re glad you found it helpful, @corvettedoc1.
Great information thanks always
It's our pleasure, truly.
I’m interested in hearing about these 8 different kinds of class E airspace lol.
Coming soon!!!
That episode is shot, edited, and uploaded into the queue, @NorthwestAeronaut. We think you'll like it.
Applicants need to be prepared for the very real possibility that while their CFI signed all the right endorsements they misunderstood the base requirements for having done so. Ultimately it is the applicant who is responsible for being certain they are both eligible and prepared for the checkride. The instructor’s signature is required, but that does not erase the applicant’s responsibility. Hopefully this review of requirements includes reading the ACS for the certificate or rating sought. All this said, even doing all of that doesn’t necessarily make for a perfect performance. Mine was not!
Good, careful preparation is key to success, that’s for sure.
You're right, Anthony. It's the applicant's check ride and there's plenty of guidance out there to help him/her prepare for it. The CFI is still an integral part of that equation and *should* know how to properly prepare the paperwork...and everything else!!
Just because an applicant "reads" the FAR, doesn't guarantee they'll understand what they read. They need an INSTRUCTOR there to help them interpret the materiel in a way that's consistent with the FAA's legal stance. With FAR Part 61, literally interpretation isn't always correct. 61.129's instrument training requirements cannot be taken literally, for example. Students and instructors must met each other half-way during the learning process where each takes responsibility for learning outcomes. This idea that everything falls back on the students is one of the reasons why our industry is struggling. Students are paying thousands of dollars for instructors to teach them how to fly, navigate, and yes, interpret regulations correctly. If we expect students to do the homework, we ought to be able to expect instructors to understand eligibility requirements and guide their students through that process.
@@josh3279 sadly my position comes from my experience with local CFIs. I don’t believe there’s a problem taking responsibility for your own path through training, and believe the larger problem are the instructors grinding out hours in the right seat with neither love of or skill in instruction.
@@josh3279 Josh, I'm curious what you mean by saying the instrument requirements of 61.129 can't be taken literally.
I’m hoping to take the first of 3 practicals in Houston this summer so this information is both helpful and timely, thanks to both of you!
better schedule it now :(
It’s our pleasure, @fire111111. We’re glad you found value in this episode.
Thanks. Glad you found it helpful!!
Of course. I installed an older analog CDI in my panel specifically so I could do ground based approaches on the cross country and check ride. Cross country is done but by the time I get a DPE I’ll be allowed to do all GPS approaches 😅
Genius, @FreddyFreeloader1200. You'll be well prepared when cosmic activity adversely affects GPS signals. You'll be all happy and comfy with your ground based alternatives. Well done!
Thank you! I’m actually glad to have the extra equipment, the options and an extra cool looking gauge on the panel lol!
Great to know ! I had no idea that the new ACSs were going active 😂
We do our research so you don’t have to, @loves2fly. We’ve got your back.
Wow! MPA has your back, don't shoot me LOL.
DPE Guys... If someone took the FOI, FAI and AGI... do you look at the weak areas on ALL of those for the CFI initial?
you should always have a conversation with your dpe before the test regarding the practical test. define what their expectations are for given maneuvers, xc flight etc.
A fine perspective, @Schnabel69. We're in agreement.
I'm an airframe certificated mechanic with the powerplant knowledge test already completed and planning to take the oral-practical test the first week of June. Does someone know if there are going to be changes for the mechanics test other than the ones already introduced in August 2023?
We're checking on that, @JavierGarcia-ts5xr. There were changes applied to the A&P testing in August last year, but we're not yet sure if there are additional changes coming this year, or shortly thereafter. As soon as we have a solid answer from the FAA on that, we'll let you know. Keep an eye out for some A&P specific content coming to the channel in the future.
@@MadPropsAero Thanks for the reply 👍🏻
Javier, you may want to visit faa.gov and search the appropriate pages that contain the testing standards for A&P. The 'new' ACSs have been publicly available for several weeks and I'd suspect if there were changes in the A&P docs, they'd be likewise available well before they become effective. Short of checking the FAA web site, you might call your Examiner and ask. Good luck. I'm sure you'll crush it!!! 🙂
Flying musicians! 😎
Run at X2 speed for normal conversation rate.
Printing, LOL! No one prints anymore.
Should I take my PPL written before May 31st?
If you feel ready and you've been signed off to take the knowledge test, go for it. The ACS is a separate document. The knowledge test database continues to be relatively stable, with (usually) minor changes being made every 3 months. Best of luck to you.
This is the government justifying its continued existence.
It happens in every bureaucracy.
Actually, @KevinCaruthers5412 we might suggest this is an indication of a government agency doing what it has been charged to do. The FAA certifies airmen. Periodically revising the testing standards to reflect the technology of the times makes sense. Adjusting the standards from time to time to test knowledge and skills based on the current understanding of the science and art of flying is logical. We doubt any of us would want to fly much if we were still using the standards of days long gone when accident rates were much higher and the integrity of aircraft was questionable.
@@MadPropsAero The fact the changes are miniscule indicates otherwise.
Tiny changes are a hallmark of bureaucracy.
If the changes were significant, then I would agree with you.
There are a couple of significant changes in the Instrument ACS.
4 minutes in and all it is is a bunch of useless word garbage
We're sorry you didn't find value in the information we shared about this significant change to FAA Pilot Practical Tests. We gave it our best shot.