When Jonas said "you get distracted easier" I had a realization that I was just working on a game and got distracted by a video telling me not to be distracted
@Larbitos O_o but that's in low odds it doesn't just fall over sideways. A game can be better without the main system the game was built on. Just not likely so the game (pyramid) will likely fall to it's side
That's the reason I'll probably never leave game-jam scene. Too many good ideas floating around, too less time to make every one to see a light of a day.
This is video is so well put together, not only does it explain some exceptionally difficult concepts for non developers to understand, it is also brilliantly visual, the graphic supplements to the narrative are excellent. This is a shinging example of what someone with a huge amount of drive, intelligence and passion is capable of doing. Jonas, this is definately one of your stand out videos, the effort involved is only matched by the sheer brilliance of your explanation. I fail to find the words to completely convey how good I think this video is, a enormous well done! And I wish you the very best of good luck with Wiill You Snail!
I'm not really into these kinda games like Will you snail, but Jonas' style of making videos and doing marketing starts make me push that wishlist button. It is good to see this kind of dedication after almost two years. Keep it up Jonas, you really inspire me!
Burnout won over me a couple of times. I don't know if the burnout made me look at my games as shit or if the game were shit. So that the scary part to me but hopefully I will get a simple one-button mobile game done by the end of the year. Even if is not great.
Same here. Going from knowing nothing and starting with Unity3D and not knowing a single thing about C# and dealing with all the issues with caps and syntax was stressful enough, then I had to invent a way to get graphics to display how I wanted which I don't like because i had to use a weird perspective and stretch the image to look normal, so animating an entire game that way would be a nightmare. So after all that frustrating and basically getting enemy movement, attack, lifebars and all that, I discovered a simpler engine and switched to it, but now I am having to learn everything all over again, but I won't have to worry about using that perspective/stretching because it can display it how i want, by default (2.5D). The issue now is, it's still an uphill battle because everything is once again new to me and being stuck on EVERY single step of the way, just like Unity3D. The whole experience has made me hate trying to learn game development. I still love the idea of programming games, but I am way past burnt out on getting stuck on every single step because I don't know how to do things. I really don't want to give up and the longer I wait, the less marketable my ultimate game project will become, but I feel like I need to take off several years of not even looking at game development. However, it's also difficult, because the ONLY thing stopping me, is getting stopped by not knowing how to do everything. Imagine sending a 2 year old to NASA and telling that child to take over everyone's job, even the most technical ones. That's what I feel like, I know almost nothing (still). I keep thinking "I know how to do that" and when I try it, I realize I don't have a clue and can't even explain it in words to ask for help a lot of the time. Another thing, is that my "ultimate game project" would likely benefit from getting someone to help work on it, but then i would have to share the profit and I am already planning on giving 50% of the net-profit to the IP holder for letting me use their popularity to insure I get sales, and Steam takes 30% +publish fee, so that makes it 35% profit to me, 35% to IP and 30% to Steam + publish fee. If I split my 35%, then that's 17.5% of the list price, plus I'm sure i'll have to pay taxes on the income, so that's even more fees. If a game is $10, and i get 35%, that is only $3.50 or if i split that, I only get $1.75 per sale! $10 is just an idea price that is easy with math. The actual price will be determined by how much the game is worth ($5 to $30 is what I'm assuming). I don't want to talk about the details of my game, because I invested a lot of money in software and such and would be devastated if someone else made the game before I could finish it, so don't bother asking. Any clues would be an instant giveaway.
@@FusionDeveloper I think a lot of beginners do it the wrong way around. They have an idea and try to learn everything they need to execute it. It would be way smarter to learn a couple of easy things and then come up with an idea you can actually execute with that. Make an idea that fits your skills. Don't try to make your skills fit an idea. If you ever give it another shot, that's the way I would go. It's way less frustrating and way more fun! There are absolutely awesome games you can make with just a couple of lines of code. Seems like you're already highly invested in your idea, though, so do whatever feels best for you. I wish you the best of luck with your project!!!
@@JonasTyroller That's perfect. I've never thought about that before. I've been struggling to figure out a strategy, now I finally have one, thanks to you. I will make a list of everything I know how to do, and use them like puzzle pieces to assemble a game. My issue is constantly getting stuck with every step , no momentum. This should solve that problem. It's basically what I wanted to do, except I planned to use it only to help, rather than as my only code. Of course I'll still try to find answers for how to do new things, but if it doesn't work, I won't keep trying, I'll just omit it and move on.
@@FusionDeveloper Nice. Glad you found that useful. Of course you should keep learning new stuff. Just don't make the success / failure of your project depend on whether you manage to learn certain things or not. Hope you manage to put your puzzle together. Have fun.
I'm actually in the same situation ! I stopped my studies in order to become an indie dev. I'm working on my first commercial game for a year with a friend. And I will start my french game dev channel soon. All your videos help me a lot ! Thanks for your hard work and good luck for your game !
My God this is scary. I'm in the exact same situation as you right now and am about to complete and release a "small square" fraction of my game. I have about 20 levels, from which I'm hoping gets popular enough to create a demand for my game so I can expand it into a full 200 level release.
NIce. Don't assume it's gonna happen over night or purely by word of mouth. I wish you good luck and let me know if you have any questions I can help you with. :)
@@eisenhammer01 haha, didn't expect a reply on this after more than 2 years. I had to drop the game I was working on because I overscoped and would've never been able to finish it. Now I'm working on something else that I will be able to finish :)
very good video, thank you. i recently made my decision to start making 3 very very small games and only after i completed those i can go bigger, i hope this works out better then before
That sounds like a good idea. Growing a small game organically into a big game, always keeping it very close to a finished product, is the route I'd recommend after that.
Dont think about how long it will take. Think about how many HOURS yOu spend scrolling aimlessly through social media. NOW, swap the two activities. Dedicate your social media time to your GAME DEVELOPMENT. Just Do It.
Exactly, don't think about it. Just think how great your game will be and what your next task is. Almost every task feels exciting for me! My first game took 2 years and most people seem to love it. Such motivation boost.
4:00 is funny in retrospect :D but I agree with your points. One thought though is that additional to size of project and size of team there is time/money per team member. Like if one person can work on a game fulltime it's a lot more than one person coming home exhausted from work and putting in one hour :) Just in case you haven't heard the term yet: Hofstadter's law
I believe to higher your chance of success in this career, you should put early access on patreon that way you can fund further development and give donators motive to donate and follow you.
Think how long it takes to do "mostly everything". Then multiply it by 30. E.g. if you think you can "mostly" make the game in 2 days, it will probably take about 60 days of work to finalize it.
It's so weird that for my game, it took me multiple weeks to code the cutscenes but the actual level design and enemies and everything took like half that time including polishing so that's weird. I noticed that I could finish the game in less than 2 years if I worked full time on it but in the current state it'll be around 5 years. It hardly depends on me because I have to do a lot of stuff for school and my summer holidays were basically completely occupied by driving school. I just hope that all the menus and interfaces won't take that much time, but if Toby Fox is willing to invest 3 years working full time just for a demo, 5 years of hobby game development should be alright
This is scary but very important. The sad thing is that this video was here for some time now. And I didn't even know this channel existed or this video was here to help me. I honestly needed this. My first game that I was planning to be a big project took longer than expected. There was spaghetti code, and I was very used to collaborating in teams on a site I used to make my games on called Scratch. I obviously let it go, but I'm still working on some projects. I did my first game jam solo recently and if I knew this I probably definitely would have lowered my scope. I didn't even get everything done that I wanted to for the game jam. This is probably the reason why xD. Regardless I'm a creative person and I have too many ideas, but this video made me realize I need to focus on the scope of the games I'm working on or planning to work on later this year or in the future. It would make sense for me to finish up the game I made for a game jam because the theme is defined and the majority of the game is already done. Maybe I should do that project to test myself and see what I can achieve from that timeframe as a solo dev and compare it to the timeframe of my projects I want to start later. Thank you, You saved me time in the future. This one will definitely stay in my long term memory XD
One thing I find myself doing a lot is distracting myself with making tools or helper scripts (Unity's addressables, custom inspectors, etc) that help make the process easier, and it does improve my knowledge, though it is not directly contributing to making a game. But, I do pride myself that I may be able to make a neat library of knowledge and tools to back me for a game project.
Video Games like all type of Projects such as Movie, TV Shows, Comic, Manga, Anime, Cartoon, and Novels take times to be made dome more that others. And a side of Times, Projects like Video Games also take a lot of Resources.
My solution against burning out is using gzdoom, an engine I know since my childhood. Not the best choice for everyone, but it fills in boring parts of reinventing the wheel, when it comes to fps games. It already has menu, multiplayer, weapon system and the best map editor in the world (that I sometimes use to export a map into Unity) I set a short, very short amount of time to work on my game. Around 4 months. If I would work on it longer, I would burn out. With this engine I am able to do this since it is a game that is already fun, that I mod basically (but license lets me sell). I know I can make something enjoyable in few days even in case of emergency, with the intuitive map editor. Of course that is not my aim, but I just know that this is the only way for me.
Games take time to make. Duke Nukem Forever took 15 years to be made. It goes to show, that, many factors come into play, when your making a video game.
I have 3 games to make. I have all of the nouns: characters, levels, concepts, abilities, how the game should work down to if I wanted them to pen and paper ttrpgs I could make them. the theme and feelings that the art and music should follow. My obstacle: I work full time, and go months without access to my home computer due to travel. I'm learning Godot, C#, Unity, and Java. I'm practicing by making mods for games I like, and doing game design workshops. I made a small game with Godot, art by msPaint, and I've been practicing art on PaintTool Sai and Clipstudio and have friends that do art as a job that I commission.
Great video! Editing was on point with all the visualizations for the concepts and concerns. Content most importantly was great too. There are a lot more considerations in the video than many people would probably think about. The 20% addition might vary from person to person and project to project. Sometimes you need more, sometimes less. 20% seems a bit too low for me personally though. Since you already have the core mechanics in place, it might work out to steadily decrease the necessary time investment you need per level made. Most of it will probably revolve around level design now. Like you said, the deeper you are in the project, the more accurate estimations you can give, this is why I cannot really estimate some gameplay systems I've never done before, or let's say I often miss the mark. I haven't used estimations often for private projects yet, but I totally should :)
I actually started calculating with a cube. Polish, content and playtesting. I am doing multiplayer thought, so I need to be extra careful when testing for weird behaviour that might appear in very special situations because of the typo in this one line of code I wrote at 3 am.
The thing is. It was done... about 1 year ago. But Jonas keeps adding stuff to it. You can easily make this game forever if you keep on adding stuff. So those calculations weren't bad at all 😅
Ty guess u got to the point, still I want to mention that unreal is getting better and better. These days and specially with UE5 a single man can create a good looking 3D game with a bit time.. ofc if more ppl will help u safe time and ofc if u got money to spend
Great video! When it comes to picking a project to commit to, how does one make this decision? Especially when it may take 2+ years and/or might be the only shot you get?
Hmm. Hard to tell. Usually I'd recommend making at least 10 different prototypes and then committing to the best one, but for some reason I never follow that advice myself... I think this project has potential and you can also do a soft commit, which is what I'm planning. I'll make a way smaller game first and only keep going if the result is promising. There is no reason for taking the full 2 year risk. You need to keep the option to reevaluate as you go (but without falling victim to shiny object syndrome). Thanks for your comment. :)
Wouldn't it stand to reason that if we made 100% of the game at a very minimal polish, we would not suffer as much from increasing scope or a borken fundamental? Everything makes sense to me but that one part. If we do 100% of polish for each segment and than it turnes out that one of the segments needs reworking, we just lost god knows how many hours polishing that segment. But if everything works fine and we are happy with the game with all the janky physics and placeholder assets, wouldn't polishing be just that, polishing? No need to rework logic, or change elements. The game works, now lets make it be nice and smooth and good looking.
Yeah, I agree to your point. I guess you should start out with prototyping. Make sure you absolutely know you need a feature before you polish it. Making 100% of the game and polishing it later can come to bite you in the back as well, though. If you underestimate the time it takes, you can still suffer from overscoping and a lower quality result. I recommend prototyping first to figure out what your game needs, then making a vertical slice to get a feeling for how long it takes to reach 100% polish, but projects are different and the best solution for your game probably really depends on what you are making and how you'd like to work on it. I can't quite remember what I said in the video. Hope I didn't say you have to build the entire game as vertical slices, cause you are right, that sounds a bit dumb. Making one vertical slice of a small part of your game is enough and quite helpful for getting a better understanding of what you are creating, how it will feel when it's done and how much effort it'll take to get there, though. Hope that makes sense. :)
At the beginning I said between 10 min and 10 years. 3 Months for a commercial game is more than tight. The point of this video was to get rid of unrealistic expectations, not to create them. :D
It seems you got some knowledge about game creating , I follow since july 2019 the development of the game Paralives . The team are at the moment only 3 people and 1 assistant for marketing and communication with the fans . This indie developers promisse to make a life simulation game that should be better than all the Sims games . I think the game Paralives will be release arround 2025 maybe even much later , ..... I ask you as person who got knowledge in game creating , how long do you think would it take to make from scratch a brandnew life simulation game that is better than the Sims 3 and Sims 4 ?
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When Jonas said "you get distracted easier" I had a realization that I was just working on a game and got distracted by a video telling me not to be distracted
it doesn't actually tells you to "don't get distracted",
it says "you will get distracted easier"
SAAME! hahaha :S
*not
@@TyperMarlinGames thanks
its been 2 years bro did u ever make your game :(
Ah yes, and here we are 1,5 years later and Jonas is still working hard on Will You Snail...
*coughs*
Ah yes,renember when it was only 1.5 years.
@@shxyze8254 remember*
Well, Actually...
Hehe
I feel like the pyramid should be upside down to.
Haha. Sad but probably true...
And there’s a 90% chance the bottom brick will break under the weight of all the other bricks
Like when you make a system , then you have to keep going back and reworking it to make it stronger.
DoAltPlusF4 yeah
@Larbitos O_o but that's in low odds it doesn't just fall over sideways. A game can be better without the main system the game was built on. Just not likely so the game (pyramid) will likely fall to it's side
That's the reason I'll probably never leave game-jam scene. Too many good ideas floating around, too less time to make every one to see a light of a day.
Oh, I know that feeling. I suffer under shiny object syndrome quite a lot. Always want to start something new... :D
Haha that cliffhanger at the end :D
Really well thought out video. Your square / pyramid analogies are brilliant!
Thank you. I'm kind of proud of that as well. :p
@@JonasTyroller The cliffhanger or the analogies? :D
@@YaenGamedev Both. What a question.
Two of your greatest achievements for sure
@@YaenGamedev Right after clickbaiting you into thinking I would make a disco level.
This is video is so well put together, not only does it explain some exceptionally difficult concepts for non developers to understand, it is also brilliantly visual, the graphic supplements to the narrative are excellent. This is a shinging example of what someone with a huge amount of drive, intelligence and passion is capable of doing. Jonas, this is definately one of your stand out videos, the effort involved is only matched by the sheer brilliance of your explanation. I fail to find the words to completely convey how good I think this video is, a enormous well done! And I wish you the very best of good luck with Wiill You Snail!
well described everything really liked it
Awesome. Thank you.
I'm not really into these kinda games like Will you snail, but Jonas' style of making videos and doing marketing starts make me push that wishlist button. It is good to see this kind of dedication after almost two years. Keep it up Jonas, you really inspire me!
So, in short:
A hell of a lot of time.
Exactly. :D
Burnout won over me a couple of times. I don't know if the burnout made me look at my games as shit or if the game were shit. So that the scary part to me but hopefully I will get a simple one-button mobile game done by the end of the year. Even if is not great.
Oh yeah, burnout is dangerous. Good luck to you. Make sure to send me your result. :D
Same here. Going from knowing nothing and starting with Unity3D and not knowing a single thing about C# and dealing with all the issues with caps and syntax was stressful enough, then I had to invent a way to get graphics to display how I wanted which I don't like because i had to use a weird perspective and stretch the image to look normal, so animating an entire game that way would be a nightmare.
So after all that frustrating and basically getting enemy movement, attack, lifebars and all that, I discovered a simpler engine and switched to it, but now I am having to learn everything all over again, but I won't have to worry about using that perspective/stretching because it can display it how i want, by default (2.5D). The issue now is, it's still an uphill battle because everything is once again new to me and being stuck on EVERY single step of the way, just like Unity3D. The whole experience has made me hate trying to learn game development.
I still love the idea of programming games, but I am way past burnt out on getting stuck on every single step because I don't know how to do things. I really don't want to give up and the longer I wait, the less marketable my ultimate game project will become, but I feel like I need to take off several years of not even looking at game development. However, it's also difficult, because the ONLY thing stopping me, is getting stopped by not knowing how to do everything.
Imagine sending a 2 year old to NASA and telling that child to take over everyone's job, even the most technical ones. That's what I feel like, I know almost nothing (still). I keep thinking "I know how to do that" and when I try it, I realize I don't have a clue and can't even explain it in words to ask for help a lot of the time.
Another thing, is that my "ultimate game project" would likely benefit from getting someone to help work on it, but then i would have to share the profit and I am already planning on giving 50% of the net-profit to the IP holder for letting me use their popularity to insure I get sales, and Steam takes 30% +publish fee, so that makes it 35% profit to me, 35% to IP and 30% to Steam + publish fee. If I split my 35%, then that's 17.5% of the list price, plus I'm sure i'll have to pay taxes on the income, so that's even more fees.
If a game is $10, and i get 35%, that is only $3.50 or if i split that, I only get $1.75 per sale!
$10 is just an idea price that is easy with math. The actual price will be determined by how much the game is worth ($5 to $30 is what I'm assuming).
I don't want to talk about the details of my game, because I invested a lot of money in software and such and would be devastated if someone else made the game before I could finish it, so don't bother asking. Any clues would be an instant giveaway.
@@FusionDeveloper I think a lot of beginners do it the wrong way around. They have an idea and try to learn everything they need to execute it. It would be way smarter to learn a couple of easy things and then come up with an idea you can actually execute with that.
Make an idea that fits your skills. Don't try to make your skills fit an idea.
If you ever give it another shot, that's the way I would go. It's way less frustrating and way more fun! There are absolutely awesome games you can make with just a couple of lines of code.
Seems like you're already highly invested in your idea, though, so do whatever feels best for you. I wish you the best of luck with your project!!!
@@JonasTyroller That's perfect. I've never thought about that before. I've been struggling to figure out a strategy, now I finally have one, thanks to you. I will make a list of everything I know how to do, and use them like puzzle pieces to assemble a game. My issue is constantly getting stuck with every step , no momentum. This should solve that problem.
It's basically what I wanted to do, except I planned to use it only to help, rather than as my only code. Of course I'll still try to find answers for how to do new things, but if it doesn't work, I won't keep trying, I'll just omit it and move on.
@@FusionDeveloper Nice. Glad you found that useful. Of course you should keep learning new stuff. Just don't make the success / failure of your project depend on whether you manage to learn certain things or not.
Hope you manage to put your puzzle together. Have fun.
I'm actually in the same situation ! I stopped my studies in order to become an indie dev. I'm working on my first commercial game for a year with a friend. And I will start my french game dev channel soon. All your videos help me a lot ! Thanks for your hard work and good luck for your game !
That's awesome. I with you two the best of luck! I'm glad I could help. :)
Famous last words lol
Should probably study programming and game development so you could get better or maybe be hired by a company, idk
@@GamepadStudios I studied programming and game design and I never wanted to work for a company :)
@@yolioful ok
Love the way you present and explain things. Very unique!
Thanks. :)
As a wannabe game Dev, this was really interesting and fun to watch, so thanks for making this, keep up the good work!
My God this is scary. I'm in the exact same situation as you right now and am about to complete and release a "small square" fraction of my game. I have about 20 levels, from which I'm hoping gets popular enough to create a demand for my game so I can expand it into a full 200 level release.
NIce. Don't assume it's gonna happen over night or purely by word of mouth. I wish you good luck and let me know if you have any questions I can help you with. :)
Which game?
How is it doing?
Me before this video:
*Everything is going well in the development of my game I'll probably be done in a year* 😀
Me _after_ this video:
😭
I wish you the best of luck then. :D
GD JUST GAME he works for NASA and makes a billion dollars a year
@@Gamer-uf1kl actually moving along pretty well, still going to take *_Very_* long though
How is the game going now?
@@eisenhammer01 haha, didn't expect a reply on this after more than 2 years. I had to drop the game I was working on because I overscoped and would've never been able to finish it. Now I'm working on something else that I will be able to finish :)
very good video, thank you.
i recently made my decision to start making 3 very very small games and only after i completed those i can go bigger, i hope this works out better then before
That sounds like a good idea. Growing a small game organically into a big game, always keeping it very close to a finished product, is the route I'd recommend after that.
5:52 As a man from the future I can confirm that "Multiply it by 200% for inexperience is true XD
for anyone working a big game alone,
*"your game could never see the day of light."*
"You could break your arm"
I mean, that is always an option...
2 years later...
Dont think about how long it will take. Think about how many HOURS yOu spend scrolling aimlessly through social media. NOW, swap the two activities. Dedicate your social media time to your GAME DEVELOPMENT. Just Do It.
Exactly, don't think about it. Just think how great your game will be and what your next task is. Almost every task feels exciting for me! My first game took 2 years and most people seem to love it. Such motivation boost.
When he said will you snail only had 1 level I realized how long ago this was
How do you think I feel now a year after you made this comment lol
@@iamgoo A YEAR! I remember making this comment, but it felt like a few months ago!!!
4:00 is funny in retrospect :D but I agree with your points. One thought though is that additional to size of project and size of team there is time/money per team member. Like if one person can work on a game fulltime it's a lot more than one person coming home exhausted from work and putting in one hour :)
Just in case you haven't heard the term yet: Hofstadter's law
i think this is super educated and visually clears. thanks Jonas
Me watching this video 2 years later....How is it going man?!
"The surface area of that square is work."
Me: So the length and the height are force and distance??
ItsMeFisher hehehe
And I was revising that very concept. It's my Physics exam in 20 minutes time and I got sidetracked. Oops!
@@nikhilmwarrier7948 Oh dude good luck with your exam!
@@itsmefisher2012 Hey, it's over, and I survived the exam!!!
@@nikhilmwarrier7948 Congrats!!
I believe to higher your chance of success in this career, you should put early access on patreon that way you can fund further development and give donators motive to donate and follow you.
Thanks for the advice. Not sure if the time investment for Patreon is already worth it with a community of this size, but I'll surely look into that.
Think how long it takes to do "mostly everything". Then multiply it by 30. E.g. if you think you can "mostly" make the game in 2 days, it will probably take about 60 days of work to finalize it.
It's so weird that for my game, it took me multiple weeks to code the cutscenes but the actual level design and enemies and everything took like half that time including polishing so that's weird. I noticed that I could finish the game in less than 2 years if I worked full time on it but in the current state it'll be around 5 years. It hardly depends on me because I have to do a lot of stuff for school and my summer holidays were basically completely occupied by driving school. I just hope that all the menus and interfaces won't take that much time, but if Toby Fox is willing to invest 3 years working full time just for a demo, 5 years of hobby game development should be alright
That sounds about right. Menu stuff usually takes quite a bit, though.
Jonas should've converted the unit of 1100 hours into days. That's approx the amount of time it took him :D 🎉
This is scary but very important. The sad thing is that this video was here for some time now. And I didn't even know this channel existed or this video was here to help me. I honestly needed this. My first game that I was planning to be a big project took longer than expected. There was spaghetti code, and I was very used to collaborating in teams on a site I used to make my games on called Scratch. I obviously let it go, but I'm still working on some projects.
I did my first game jam solo recently and if I knew this I probably definitely would have lowered my scope. I didn't even get everything done that I wanted to for the game jam. This is probably the reason why xD. Regardless I'm a creative person and I have too many ideas, but this video made me realize I need to focus on the scope of the games I'm working on or planning to work on later this year or in the future.
It would make sense for me to finish up the game I made for a game jam because the theme is defined and the majority of the game is already done. Maybe I should do that project to test myself and see what I can achieve from that timeframe as a solo dev and compare it to the timeframe of my projects I want to start later. Thank you, You saved me time in the future. This one will definitely stay in my long term memory XD
Happy to hear that! Sounds like a good plan. I wish you good luck with it! :)
One thing I find myself doing a lot is distracting myself with making tools or helper scripts (Unity's addressables, custom inspectors, etc) that help make the process easier, and it does improve my knowledge, though it is not directly contributing to making a game. But, I do pride myself that I may be able to make a neat library of knowledge and tools to back me for a game project.
Video Games like all type of Projects such as Movie, TV Shows, Comic, Manga, Anime, Cartoon, and Novels take times to be made dome more that others.
And a side of Times, Projects like Video Games also take a lot of Resources.
The only problem is that I really hate adding polish, so when I’ve finished all of my content, I go, “Eh, it’s good enough.”
Just recently found you and I dont remember how. But ive watched enough videos to know that you gained Another sub!
Little did he know: It did NOT take him 2 Years
Your words is like gold for my personal opinion.
me: i spent 1 month making the game, im so proud!
jonas tyroller: ACTUALLY
My solution against burning out is using gzdoom, an engine I know since my childhood. Not the best choice for everyone, but it fills in boring parts of reinventing the wheel, when it comes to fps games.
It already has menu, multiplayer, weapon system and the best map editor in the world (that I sometimes use to export a map into Unity)
I set a short, very short amount of time to work on my game. Around 4 months. If I would work on it longer, I would burn out. With this engine I am able to do this since it is a game that is already fun, that I mod basically (but license lets me sell). I know I can make something enjoyable in few days even in case of emergency, with the intuitive map editor.
Of course that is not my aim, but I just know that this is the only way for me.
Games take time to make. Duke Nukem Forever took 15 years to be made. It goes to show, that, many factors come into play, when your making a video game.
These idiom switches are killing me. XD
1:55 "It's a downhill battle."
5:50 "Your game will never see the day of light."
I have 3 games to make.
I have all of the nouns: characters, levels, concepts, abilities, how the game should work down to if I wanted them to pen and paper ttrpgs I could make them. the theme and feelings that the art and music should follow.
My obstacle: I work full time, and go months without access to my home computer due to travel.
I'm learning Godot, C#, Unity, and Java.
I'm practicing by making mods for games I like, and doing game design workshops.
I made a small game with Godot, art by msPaint, and I've been practicing art on PaintTool Sai and Clipstudio and have friends that do art as a job that I commission.
Thats exactly what happened to all my games.. hopefully i can finish my new game because i have team of 6 people at least.
Is there a way to get a hold of that list you were showing?
This is a great video. Thank you. Its made me feel better about my own projects.
It Really Depends on The Scope of Your Game So Would Say at The Least It Would Take At Least 1 or 2 Years to around 5 or 6 Years at Most (Hopefully)
I like the idea of starting with a small square and expanding later. This applies to all creative industries.
Great video! Editing was on point with all the visualizations for the concepts and concerns. Content most importantly was great too. There are a lot more considerations in the video than many people would probably think about. The 20% addition might vary from person to person and project to project. Sometimes you need more, sometimes less. 20% seems a bit too low for me personally though. Since you already have the core mechanics in place, it might work out to steadily decrease the necessary time investment you need per level made. Most of it will probably revolve around level design now. Like you said, the deeper you are in the project, the more accurate estimations you can give, this is why I cannot really estimate some gameplay systems I've never done before, or let's say I often miss the mark.
I haven't used estimations often for private projects yet, but I totally should :)
I actually started calculating with a cube. Polish, content and playtesting. I am doing multiplayer thought, so I need to be extra careful when testing for weird behaviour that might appear in very special situations because of the typo in this one line of code I wrote at 3 am.
I didn't think about that!? But finally will find the the faster way !
Very interesting way to break it down, thanks!
After almost 2 Years: Still working and one additional Year
this is the most important video on the internet about making games
This was very helpful, thank you for all the information in the video
Sure. Thanks for watching and your comment. Appreciate it. :)
This is the best video game related Video ... well done
Thanks. :)
Its been 2 years since this video. And jonas is still working on it lol
yeah so much for 2 years. Looking forward to the release tho
This video helped me alot! thank you so much!
So it should come out any second now.......
nice way to see the game development proccess as a pyramid, I always say that making a game is like make a Castle made of cards xd
Then blackthornprod comes out of nowhere and lunches a game on steam in like 6 months or something.
What does the 3rd axis on your graph account for?
Depends in the project.
Best motivation video of today
Also johnas: making a game in 10 minutes
3 years and it’s not done.
The thing is. It was done... about 1 year ago. But Jonas keeps adding stuff to it. You can easily make this game forever if you keep on adding stuff. So those calculations weren't bad at all 😅
5:51 "your game will never see the *day of light*"
Lets see how accurate this is!
It was not accurate.
Ty guess u got to the point, still I want to mention that unreal is getting better and better. These days and specially with UE5 a single man can create a good looking 3D game with a bit time.. ofc if more ppl will help u safe time and ofc if u got money to spend
Great video! When it comes to picking a project to commit to, how does one make this decision? Especially when it may take 2+ years and/or might be the only shot you get?
Hmm. Hard to tell. Usually I'd recommend making at least 10 different prototypes and then committing to the best one, but for some reason I never follow that advice myself...
I think this project has potential and you can also do a soft commit, which is what I'm planning. I'll make a way smaller game first and only keep going if the result is promising.
There is no reason for taking the full 2 year risk. You need to keep the option to reevaluate as you go (but without falling victim to shiny object syndrome).
Thanks for your comment. :)
I love the precision of Germans. Brilliant explanation as well
That's great. What about when you're still learning and no number of tutorials make anything any clearer?
Me: ok then, i will go with whack a mole with pixel graphics....
Edit 7 months later: WHY TF DID I JUST MAKE A 3D FPS WHACK-A-MOLE???
I really can't wait to play your game
LOL it is 2 years from this video Will you snail is not finished
Wouldn't it stand to reason that if we made 100% of the game at a very minimal polish, we would not suffer as much from increasing scope or a borken fundamental? Everything makes sense to me but that one part. If we do 100% of polish for each segment and than it turnes out that one of the segments needs reworking, we just lost god knows how many hours polishing that segment. But if everything works fine and we are happy with the game with all the janky physics and placeholder assets, wouldn't polishing be just that, polishing? No need to rework logic, or change elements. The game works, now lets make it be nice and smooth and good looking.
Yeah, I agree to your point. I guess you should start out with prototyping. Make sure you absolutely know you need a feature before you polish it. Making 100% of the game and polishing it later can come to bite you in the back as well, though. If you underestimate the time it takes, you can still suffer from overscoping and a lower quality result.
I recommend prototyping first to figure out what your game needs, then making a vertical slice to get a feeling for how long it takes to reach 100% polish, but projects are different and the best solution for your game probably really depends on what you are making and how you'd like to work on it.
I can't quite remember what I said in the video. Hope I didn't say you have to build the entire game as vertical slices, cause you are right, that sounds a bit dumb. Making one vertical slice of a small part of your game is enough and quite helpful for getting a better understanding of what you are creating, how it will feel when it's done and how much effort it'll take to get there, though.
Hope that makes sense. :)
@@JonasTyroller Oh, I guess I must have misunderstand the point about the verticle slice. This text explanation makes perfect sense :) Thanks.
I think I might just not make games at this point
Well...
Is it out yet?
3:04 you should have said two days or something more extreme. There are so many cool games that only took a tiny, TINY fraction of a week to finish :D
At the beginning I said between 10 min and 10 years. 3 Months for a commercial game is more than tight. The point of this video was to get rid of unrealistic expectations, not to create them. :D
@@JonasTyroller Oh, my bad, I didn't really register you we're talking about commercial games! Sorry ^^ :D
@@WangleLine zzzzz
My game development: 90% Content, 9% Polish, 1% random stuff
I am a beginner
Thanks for your videos, can i just get that sheet please i mean (will you snail dev time)
Worth the wait
AND ANOTHER TIP, create deadlines. say like you have 2 hours per day you have to dev, and you CANT pad that time.
2 years just for a 2d game? Jeez , so I guess we can assume 1 person trying to make a 3d game would take forever.
It always depend how complex the 3D game is .
I would say 2 days to 6 years
It seems you got some knowledge about game creating , I follow since july 2019 the development of the game Paralives . The team are at the moment only 3 people and 1 assistant for marketing and communication with the fans . This indie developers promisse to make a life simulation game that should be better than all the Sims games .
I think the game Paralives will be release arround 2025 maybe even much later , ..... I ask you as person who got knowledge in game creating , how long do you think would it take to make from scratch a brandnew life simulation game that is better than the Sims 3 and Sims 4 ?
this is what I would like to know
If its in development meaning?
YES! BOSS BATTLES FINALLY CONFIRMED!!!!
Of course!
Will you the snail looks more like a mobile game then a computer game
for marketing you could try to get youtubers and streamers to play will you snail
Everything is easy
this guy and this theory is just demotivating us ....
take that number, half the things you want to do and double the time you estimated. That will give you your answer
i must be learn 3d creation, before coding.
you just finished the game 4 years lastr :)))
i can conform you were wrong
Enough to make a full snail game and release it when the hype is dead
5:50 the day of light... hmm
might as well be a new term for the apocalypse
bro it is 2 years and its "done"
One thing that's for sure though, watching Jonas' awesome videos does not get your game done. Get back to work.