There both beautiful guns. And some may argue one of the nicest shot guns ever made. A model 12 nickel steel 12 gauge was my first gun. Bought from a friends father for $75 dollars cash. Needless to say its worth a little more today. Shot many ducks and clay's since than . It doesnt come out of the safe much these days . But what a great gun
I purchased my first shotgun/gun couple weeks ago, a friend of mine. Brought to my attention, was selling a shotgun. Working operating shotgun, firing pin clicks. As little did he know about firearms, he was told it was a Remington. i didnt know much either, so talked him down to $30, he took the offer. Then when I was taking a closer look, I saw it is a winchester model 12. 12g, 2 3/4, 30" barrel. After a good cleaning. It's a fine piece of American made art, shoots great.
There's an old saying at shooting games like Annie Oakleys and Card Cutting shoots, "Beware Of The Old Geezer In the Parking Lot With the Model 12". The have a tendency to pulverize clay at long range.
2 absolutely gorgeous model 12’s. Since I bought my first one years back, I have not been able to stop buying them. Also, I really enjoyed the video and would like for you to share the others you were talking about. Thanks for sharing.
That black diamond model 12 is just beautiful! Tks for showing it! I have a 1953 field grade 12ga as a plain hunting gun, and I wouldn't trade it. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
A true Black Diamond Winchester Model 12 will have a diamond stamped on the front right side of the receiver extension. I have seen a few non-Black Diamonds with Black Diamond wood on them and a few Black Diamonds with standard wood(assumedly taken off for another gun or preservation). With the english style Black Diamond stock on yours, I would actually expect the slimmer style forend. But the trap forend was not uncommon. Black Diamonds were produced between 1914 - 1939. When it comes to ribs up until 1919 they had solid ribs and 2-pin duck billed ribs after that. They were typically marked TRAP on the receiver, but not all of them.
Apparently black diamond wasnt a grade. There are certain years (earlier ones like the 20s etc) where the highest level trim model 12s would have black diamond stock inlays. Like all trap grade model 12s from certain years will have it while others will not. After a certain point, they seemed to just stop doing this for whatever reason. All this considered... these diamonds only appear on the highest level model 12s from very desirable production years. Which explains why it has a reputation of being a mystical special grade in winchester lore. But this would also explain why its not listed as an official grade in any paperwork. The one in the video probably says trap near the serial number and nickel steel on the barrel.
There both beautiful guns. And some may argue one of the nicest shot guns ever made. A model 12 nickel steel 12 gauge was my first gun. Bought from a friends father for $75 dollars cash. Needless to say its worth a little more today. Shot many ducks and clay's since than . It doesnt come out of the safe much these days . But what a great gun
I purchased my first shotgun/gun couple weeks ago, a friend of mine. Brought to my attention, was selling a shotgun. Working operating shotgun, firing pin clicks. As little did he know about firearms, he was told it was a Remington. i didnt know much either, so talked him down to $30, he took the offer.
Then when I was taking a closer look, I saw it is a winchester model 12. 12g, 2 3/4, 30" barrel. After a good cleaning. It's a fine piece of American made art, shoots great.
There's an old saying at shooting games like Annie Oakleys and Card Cutting shoots, "Beware Of The Old Geezer In the Parking Lot With the Model 12". The have a tendency to pulverize clay at long range.
2 absolutely gorgeous model 12’s. Since I bought my first one years back, I have not been able to stop buying them. Also, I really enjoyed the video and would like for you to share the others you were talking about. Thanks for sharing.
They are on their way. Thanks.
That black diamond model 12 is just beautiful! Tks for showing it! I have a 1953 field grade 12ga as a plain hunting gun, and I wouldn't trade it. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
Thank you!
Thanks for your share of these guns history with your family
You’re welcome, thank you!
Great story about your Pops (gramps). I really enjoyed your video.
Two nice model 12s. Guess I'm an odd ball, but I prefer the standard with the corn cob forearm.
Me to I think it has more vintage look that separates it from newer looking guns
The 410 bore is a Winchester Mod. 42 not a Mod. 12
A true Black Diamond Winchester Model 12 will have a diamond stamped on the front right side of the receiver extension. I have seen a few non-Black Diamonds with Black Diamond wood on them and a few Black Diamonds with standard wood(assumedly taken off for another gun or preservation). With the english style Black Diamond stock on yours, I would actually expect the slimmer style forend. But the trap forend was not uncommon. Black Diamonds were produced between 1914 - 1939. When it comes to ribs up until 1919 they had solid ribs and 2-pin duck billed ribs after that. They were typically marked TRAP on the receiver, but not all of them.
Good to know!
From Perry county enjoy your video. I have 3 model 12. 2 12ga 1 16. My uncle used a model 97 in the shoots
Awesome!
Apparently black diamond wasnt a grade. There are certain years (earlier ones like the 20s etc) where the highest level trim model 12s would have black diamond stock inlays. Like all trap grade model 12s from certain years will have it while others will not.
After a certain point, they seemed to just stop doing this for whatever reason.
All this considered... these diamonds only appear on the highest level model 12s from very desirable production years. Which explains why it has a reputation of being a mystical special grade in winchester lore.
But this would also explain why its not listed as an official grade in any paperwork.
The one in the video probably says trap near the serial number and nickel steel on the barrel.
Thank you!!