Was hoping to get the game for christmas this year, but maybe I'm lucky next year 🫠 I would love to do some mining /salvaging and gotta take a look at these ships more so when I finally get the game I know what to pick, thanks for the vid
the connie should be into S-Tier, nothing can beat it in firepower and cargo so far. Specially when you take the Taurus. Sure it is the most expensive one. and i think its also not an startership in any means. Anything more than 80 dollars should not be considerd an startership. its an advanced ship.
As this video was comparing only the ships that come in the "starter" packages, the specific Connie that I was looking at was the Andromeda. The reason it placed so low is mainly due to the price tag, and size, making it not really a "starter" ship by any stretch of the imagination. If I were to be recommending someone to purchase a game pack, I'd much rather tell them to get the Titan rather than spend $200+ on a ship right out of the gate.
@@AstralGemini Yeah the Andromeda is crazy expensive but I do love that ship. I am renting a taurus as we speak to see how I like it compared to the Andromeda.
@@blackh0l353 I was only looking at ships that are included with starter packages in this video. If umm had included the C1, okt would probably have gone into c-tier, being more expensive than a Cutlass, and worse in most metrics, even though I do love the Spirit series.
@@AstralGemini i still have the A325 "starter package" And you still can get the 10k starterpackage :P " i think you should have a roof when its out of the starter area. The Andromeda is out of the "starter" area. i would even go as far as the freelancer and the cutlass. But that is just my opinion.
The C8X Pisces Expedition is my game package ship and one I often recommend for a new pilot, although I'm a bit of an outlier within the community in that I never subscribe to some idea of what is "best," but lean more towards "what is appropriate for this particular pilot." Side note: This video misuses the word "snub" on three ships. By CIG's definition, _none_ of those three are snubs. 😱
CIG themselves use the word Snub on the store page for the C8X pisces. robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Standalone-Ships/C8X-Pisces-Expedition Thus I reasonably compare similar size and spec ships to the pisces with their ability to perform a similar snub craft role, not that they are specifically classed as a snub, but they can fill that role.
@@AstralGemini That link references the C8 as a snub rather than the C8X though - the wording is not immediately clear until you realise what it's saying. Mark Gibson posted on Spectrum about the C8X one time using the phrase, "technically not a snub," and I've seen someone reference another CIG statement to the same effect too. It's one of the things that the "lying" ship matrix keeps fairly consistent when it lists the Pisces as "small" and not "snub." The ones listed as "snub" lack quantum drives and also include grav-lev bikes.
One of the biggest advantages is that the Pisces can be spawned on small ground vehicle pads and still has a QT drive (like the 100i, Talon, Hull A, 85X). Such a nice little ship.
@@marcjensen9080 Yeah, the Pisces originally started out as a snub and was specific to the Carrack. But CIG likely smelled money and as such turned it into a standalone version once they managed to squeeze a quantum+jumpdrive into it. At that point it ceased to be a snub and became a fully independent shuttle. A snub by definition is a ship that does not have a quantumdrive. :) Also reminds me that the 85X from Origin is not a snub either as that one was also given a quantumdrive (but cannot install a jumpdrive afaik).
Never realized how many small starters I actually possess. To me the Avenger Titan is still the best-bang-for-buck starter in terms of cargo and combat; and seeing how CIG raised the price of that ship twice (from $50 to $55 and then $60) we can see they think so too. The 300-series is pretty decent too if you'd like a bit more luxury but that series is a little awkward with each variant having differing hardpoint sizes and cargo; as such I chose the 325a. Slightly less cargo than the Titan but similar combat capabilities while offering more amenities (toilet+kitchen+weaponrack). The ladder entry makes is the only drawback imo. Originally I didn't really see the benefit of the 100-series; until it was possible to call them up from vehicle pads on moons and planets. Since then it's a ship that I fly quite often; but not sure if you can still call them up from vehicle pads on moons. Originally I owned both the 125a and 135c but I chose to keep the 135c myself as you're not going to be winning any combat. The nearly infinite hydrogen is the biggest bonus. The Intrepid has a cool interior but overall it's a rather useless ship and you'd likely be better off with an Avenger Titan as the Intrepid's single S4 gun and single S1 shield make it pretty pointless in combat while only carrying 8SCU (same as Titan). It's effectively a space winebago and I'm not sure if I will keep it after the novelty has worn off. I was also very pleasantly surprised by the C8 Pisces and personally love it very much as it packs everything in a tiny package. Room for 2 passengers as well as 4SCU of cargo in such a tiny shuttle is very nice. The medical version is also very cool; although you lose all cargo capacity and also have to give up 2 gun hardpoints. The Nomad is also a very decent ship but I really think CIG should have given it a proper bathroom in that small hallway and then move the 2 components at the end of that hallway into the cabinet that used to house the toilet. Then it could have been perfect. The Cutter is a nice and quirky ship with all the amenities onboard but a bit too bulky. I doubt I will keep mine. I'm not really considering the Constellation as a 'starter', and I fear that CIG will nerf its pilot guns from S5 to S4 at some point; but I do love my Taurus as a cargo transport and will probably use an AI blade on the top turret once we (finally) get blades.
They actually did. It got discontinued. But I think they've rolled out temporary Reliant game packages for things like Coramor since then. I think. I could be wrong.
For this video I only looked at ships that are bundled as a starter game package. It's unfortunate that the Reliant game pack was discontinued because I quite like those ships.
they indeed did release a starter pack based on the kore, i have it in my buybacks, it is the package i purchase on my current account, when i returned to SC around 2020.
Why skip over the Connie Taurus and mention the Andromeda as a starter ship? The Taurus is the best bang-for-buck all around ship in the game. It's cheap for the capabilities. Obviously ships like that aren't dogfighters. But 4 S5 weapons and tons of missiles make it phenomenal. You can fit almost 200SCU in it too.
Personally I think that the biggest problem with the Intrepid is that the Titan is actually crazy underpriced. Also it was always designed with a S4 from the beginning but they only changed it to a S3 because they knew people would complain saying it should be a S5 (which it should)
It definitely should be a size 5 gun. a single size 4 gun on a ship that big is silly, to say nothing of it only having 1 damn shield too. idk what CIG was smoking when they designed it but I still think the Intrepid is the worst starter in the game at the moment.
@@AstralGemini a S4 is fine but CIG failed to make it THE laser gun ship. Imagine a S2 shield and 2 S2 Generators. Having like 300 shots with a Laser Repeater and almost instand reload.
@@steinmayer2791 another big problem with the intrepid is it only has a single size 1 shield. If it had 2 size 1 shields or a size 2 it would be a lot better
Hello, actually i got Nomad as starter, but i don't know why i don't like it :( but i don't know to what change or upgrade or downgrade, some people told me Cutlass black or C1 what do you guys think about it ?
for how long did you play SC? i want to know if you tried doing some Boutyhunting, Hauling, Bunker missions and what you prefererand if you want a ship to primarily to play solo or with a friend. Bounty Hunting - TItan Cargo - Nomad WIth a Friend - Cutlass Black (has a turret for your friend) Multi purpose - c1 (if you good can do MRT) doesnt have turret for a friend.
I bought my first pack (Titan), i guess 7 years ago. I upgrade it to Nomad maybe 2 years ago. But i didn't try so much content, i tried delivery, mining and salvage. I play solo, no one to play with. This is why a multi purpose could be nice maybe?
@@sheenae8219 then i would recommend you before upgrading to the CutlassBlack or C1 i would recommend to try them ingame first. i think if you ask in global chat they could lend you for free. so you can try some missions. (i dont recoommend the Freelancer, only if you want to do cargo hauling its to slow in my opnion for PVE.) -cutlass black and c1 have a tractorbeam. that helps you move the cargo. -same weapom size. (pilot) cargo c1-64, cutlass 46. Missiles c1-04, cutlass 16 cutlass 1+ turret and 1 cooler.
@@chris_mk5supra if you are doing bunker missions, be careful of the turrets, they are extremely dangerous. Also, make sure you are in SCM mode when you land, so the shields are up. Ship shields should negate most small arms fire, unless it's a railgun or a rocket launcher.
@@AstralGemini i assure you, it's not the turret, npc with balistic gun will take out the win of the mustang, i'm not even joking, ballistic dont' care bout shield
Guidelines? Afraid of criticism much? You lost me when you put the titan above the cutty and in S tier on top of that, but then you lost your credibility when you put the cutty in the B tier. Cutty smokes titan. More fuel, better shield, more cargo space. I can fit a ground vehicle AND cargo in the cutty whereas you can on do one or the other in the titan.
The Cutlass is twice the price of the Titan, and while it's a fantastic ship, it being the same price as the freelancer but worse in almost every single aspect makes it a much worse purchase dollar for dollar. The Titan is incredibly versatile and does more than most other starter ships, especially more than many that are far more expensive than it. While ship-to-ship, the Cutlass does more than the Titan, the fact that the Titan is as cheap as it is is why it is an S-tier ship Not to mention the Titan having nearly the same shields, and more solo firepower.
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Well I'm about to start the game for the first today, I just bought a starter nomad on holiday special, glad I chose well.
Been using the Intrepid for a zero to hero run and its been my fav lately 😅
Was hoping to get the game for christmas this year, but maybe I'm lucky next year 🫠
I would love to do some mining /salvaging and gotta take a look at these ships more so when I finally get the game I know what to pick, thanks for the vid
the connie should be into S-Tier, nothing can beat it in firepower and cargo so far. Specially when you take the Taurus. Sure it is the most expensive one. and i think its also not an startership in any means. Anything more than 80 dollars should not be considerd an startership. its an advanced ship.
Yeah I agree > $80 is not a starter shipd but if you include the Freelancer, Black you should include the C1.
As this video was comparing only the ships that come in the "starter" packages, the specific Connie that I was looking at was the Andromeda.
The reason it placed so low is mainly due to the price tag, and size, making it not really a "starter" ship by any stretch of the imagination. If I were to be recommending someone to purchase a game pack, I'd much rather tell them to get the Titan rather than spend $200+ on a ship right out of the gate.
@@AstralGemini Yeah the Andromeda is crazy expensive but I do love that ship. I am renting a taurus as we speak to see how I like it compared to the Andromeda.
@@blackh0l353 I was only looking at ships that are included with starter packages in this video. If umm had included the C1, okt would probably have gone into c-tier, being more expensive than a Cutlass, and worse in most metrics, even though I do love the Spirit series.
@@AstralGemini i still have the A325 "starter package" And you still can get the 10k starterpackage :P " i think you should have a roof when its out of the starter area. The Andromeda is out of the "starter" area. i would even go as far as the freelancer and the cutlass. But that is just my opinion.
I'm sure I never mentioned it, but I really like the Freelancer :D
Really? I never would have known!!
Does anyone know if they fixed the launcher download error bug?
The C8X Pisces Expedition is my game package ship and one I often recommend for a new pilot, although I'm a bit of an outlier within the community in that I never subscribe to some idea of what is "best," but lean more towards "what is appropriate for this particular pilot."
Side note: This video misuses the word "snub" on three ships. By CIG's definition, _none_ of those three are snubs. 😱
CIG themselves use the word Snub on the store page for the C8X pisces.
robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Standalone-Ships/C8X-Pisces-Expedition
Thus I reasonably compare similar size and spec ships to the pisces with their ability to perform a similar snub craft role, not that they are specifically classed as a snub, but they can fill that role.
@@AstralGemini That link references the C8 as a snub rather than the C8X though - the wording is not immediately clear until you realise what it's saying. Mark Gibson posted on Spectrum about the C8X one time using the phrase, "technically not a snub," and I've seen someone reference another CIG statement to the same effect too.
It's one of the things that the "lying" ship matrix keeps fairly consistent when it lists the Pisces as "small" and not "snub." The ones listed as "snub" lack quantum drives and also include grav-lev bikes.
One of the biggest advantages is that the Pisces can be spawned on small ground vehicle pads and still has a QT drive (like the 100i, Talon, Hull A, 85X). Such a nice little ship.
@@marcjensen9080 Yeah, the Pisces originally started out as a snub and was specific to the Carrack. But CIG likely smelled money and as such turned it into a standalone version once they managed to squeeze a quantum+jumpdrive into it. At that point it ceased to be a snub and became a fully independent shuttle. A snub by definition is a ship that does not have a quantumdrive. :)
Also reminds me that the 85X from Origin is not a snub either as that one was also given a quantumdrive (but cannot install a jumpdrive afaik).
Never realized how many small starters I actually possess.
To me the Avenger Titan is still the best-bang-for-buck starter in terms of cargo and combat; and seeing how CIG raised the price of that ship twice (from $50 to $55 and then $60) we can see they think so too. The 300-series is pretty decent too if you'd like a bit more luxury but that series is a little awkward with each variant having differing hardpoint sizes and cargo; as such I chose the 325a. Slightly less cargo than the Titan but similar combat capabilities while offering more amenities (toilet+kitchen+weaponrack). The ladder entry makes is the only drawback imo.
Originally I didn't really see the benefit of the 100-series; until it was possible to call them up from vehicle pads on moons and planets. Since then it's a ship that I fly quite often; but not sure if you can still call them up from vehicle pads on moons. Originally I owned both the 125a and 135c but I chose to keep the 135c myself as you're not going to be winning any combat. The nearly infinite hydrogen is the biggest bonus.
The Intrepid has a cool interior but overall it's a rather useless ship and you'd likely be better off with an Avenger Titan as the Intrepid's single S4 gun and single S1 shield make it pretty pointless in combat while only carrying 8SCU (same as Titan). It's effectively a space winebago and I'm not sure if I will keep it after the novelty has worn off.
I was also very pleasantly surprised by the C8 Pisces and personally love it very much as it packs everything in a tiny package. Room for 2 passengers as well as 4SCU of cargo in such a tiny shuttle is very nice. The medical version is also very cool; although you lose all cargo capacity and also have to give up 2 gun hardpoints.
The Nomad is also a very decent ship but I really think CIG should have given it a proper bathroom in that small hallway and then move the 2 components at the end of that hallway into the cabinet that used to house the toilet. Then it could have been perfect.
The Cutter is a nice and quirky ship with all the amenities onboard but a bit too bulky. I doubt I will keep mine.
I'm not really considering the Constellation as a 'starter', and I fear that CIG will nerf its pilot guns from S5 to S4 at some point; but I do love my Taurus as a cargo transport and will probably use an AI blade on the top turret once we (finally) get blades.
What about the reliant? I think it would be in a good spot
I think the reliant is a great, if somewhat outdated ship. I do think they should bring the Reliant starter pack back.
Been so long I thought this was someone else.
lmao, it's been a while. I'm getting back into making videos this year
What about the MISC Reliant Kore or Tana. I like them very much. Sadly CIG never made a Starter package with this ship. Why? ;-)
They actually did. It got discontinued. But I think they've rolled out temporary Reliant game packages for things like Coramor since then. I think. I could be wrong.
For this video I only looked at ships that are bundled as a starter game package. It's unfortunate that the Reliant game pack was discontinued because I quite like those ships.
they indeed did release a starter pack based on the kore, i have it in my buybacks, it is the package i purchase on my current account, when i returned to SC around 2020.
Why skip over the Connie Taurus and mention the Andromeda as a starter ship? The Taurus is the best bang-for-buck all around ship in the game. It's cheap for the capabilities. Obviously ships like that aren't dogfighters. But 4 S5 weapons and tons of missiles make it phenomenal. You can fit almost 200SCU in it too.
Personally I think that the biggest problem with the Intrepid is that the Titan is actually crazy underpriced.
Also it was always designed with a S4 from the beginning but they only changed it to a S3 because they knew people would complain saying it should be a S5 (which it should)
It definitely should be a size 5 gun. a single size 4 gun on a ship that big is silly, to say nothing of it only having 1 damn shield too. idk what CIG was smoking when they designed it but I still think the Intrepid is the worst starter in the game at the moment.
@@AstralGemini a S4 is fine but CIG failed to make it THE laser gun ship. Imagine a S2 shield and 2 S2 Generators. Having like 300 shots with a Laser Repeater and almost instand reload.
@@steinmayer2791 another big problem with the intrepid is it only has a single size 1 shield. If it had 2 size 1 shields or a size 2 it would be a lot better
@@AstralGemini didnt I wrote that?
Hello, actually i got Nomad as starter, but i don't know why i don't like it :(
but i don't know to what change or upgrade or downgrade, some people told me Cutlass black or C1
what do you guys think about it ?
for how long did you play SC? i want to know if you tried doing some Boutyhunting, Hauling, Bunker missions and what you prefererand if you want a ship to primarily to play solo or with a friend.
Bounty Hunting - TItan
Cargo - Nomad
WIth a Friend - Cutlass Black (has a turret for your friend)
Multi purpose - c1 (if you good can do MRT) doesnt have turret for a friend.
if you are new and dont know what to do. try the Avenger titan before buying a more expansive ship
I bought my first pack (Titan), i guess 7 years ago. I upgrade it to Nomad maybe 2 years ago. But i didn't try so much content, i tried delivery, mining and salvage.
I play solo, no one to play with.
This is why a multi purpose could be nice maybe?
@@sheenae8219 then i would recommend you before upgrading to the CutlassBlack or C1 i would recommend to try them ingame first. i think if you ask in global chat they could lend you for free. so you can try some missions. (i dont recoommend the Freelancer, only if you want to do cargo hauling its to slow in my opnion for PVE.)
-cutlass black and c1 have a tractorbeam. that helps you move the cargo.
-same weapom size. (pilot)
cargo c1-64, cutlass 46.
Missiles c1-04, cutlass 16
cutlass 1+ turret and 1 cooler.
@@Olorum001 alright, i will try that.
Because each time i take m'y Nomad i very dislike it , sadly 😥
The Titan has no internal storage, so its only good for small cargo missions and dog fights, but stocking with it ... I'm not so sure
No facts can get around the aurora being the goat of starter ships.
Reliants are F tier.
Forgotten.
Yeah considering there's no longer a Reliant starter package... I think CIG forgot about them too
My mustang is getting killed by groud npc... This ship is a joke...
@@chris_mk5supra if you are doing bunker missions, be careful of the turrets, they are extremely dangerous. Also, make sure you are in SCM mode when you land, so the shields are up. Ship shields should negate most small arms fire, unless it's a railgun or a rocket launcher.
@@AstralGemini i assure you, it's not the turret, npc with balistic gun will take out the win of the mustang, i'm not even joking, ballistic dont' care bout shield
Guidelines? Afraid of criticism much? You lost me when you put the titan above the cutty and in S tier on top of that, but then you lost your credibility when you put the cutty in the B tier.
Cutty smokes titan. More fuel, better shield, more cargo space. I can fit a ground vehicle AND cargo in the cutty whereas you can on do one or the other in the titan.
The Cutlass is twice the price of the Titan, and while it's a fantastic ship, it being the same price as the freelancer but worse in almost every single aspect makes it a much worse purchase dollar for dollar.
The Titan is incredibly versatile and does more than most other starter ships, especially more than many that are far more expensive than it. While ship-to-ship, the Cutlass does more than the Titan, the fact that the Titan is as cheap as it is is why it is an S-tier ship
Not to mention the Titan having nearly the same shields, and more solo firepower.
As Astral said the value of having a titan is much greater per dollar than a cutty not to mention a freelancer is better than a cutty