As long as you know that's your personal headcanon and not the canon story, that's fine. And as long that you don't present your own personal theories to others as canon or fact
It can work with him finding a way to gain immortality. But I think it's a more powerful story and shows more growth of character and a better character arc with him accepting his own death as the price he pays for a better world.
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Hyper Angel so uncultured? Dude, that’s his opinion, for some people mha is a super enjoyable and lovable anime for them, well it’s not even in my top 15 but that’s ok for him
At least the original ending makes it out intact. My tears weren't for nothing. Ma boi died doing what god intended, trolling. At least his death wasn't a troll.
If Lelouch is truely dead I cant watch CodeGeass season 3... as he is the sole purpose I am in love with CodeGeass as the relationship between C2 and Lelouch was the best.
There isn't a season 3 based on the TV series but there will be a continuation of the movie series, possibly of Lelouch and CC traveling the world solving grass-related problems.
Did you even watch the video, watch the anime, or read this post www.reddit.com/user/GeassedbyLelouch/comments/8hklfr/evaluating_code_theory_main_body_index/ ? Lelouch is undeniably 100% dead
Lelouch doesn't have any gf y'know. He's more focus on his sister and his revenge plus he care about shirley same how he care about the others in the student council and kalen.
@@keikawaii108 I think Nunnaly has a bro complex. As we watch the series from season 1, it was confirmed that since they were kids, Nunnaly and Euphy has bwen arguing which one of them will marry Lelouch that's why when Lelouch died in Nunnaly's arms, she is in great despair.
In your heart is perfectly fine. There's no problem with having a personal headcanon as long as you also know what the real canon is so that you don't get confused when the sequel starts and Lelouch is truly dead.
IsilionNELE Yeah I'm most definitely not going to argue with anyone about this topic anymore, but I'm just keeping my headcanon with the original series intact. Sometimes leaving a master piece alone is better.
He is alive. Many people are conceited and selfish to understand the series or read between the lines. It is why it is still open ended and create a dynamic between who can see the truth and perpetuate in the illusion. People who see Leloich's death is reflective of the population in the anime, where most belieced he is dead, and only the few with high insight or keen observation will realize he is alive to execute the most elaborate stage for the world to see. Punishment of immortality is much more dire compare to simple death of a body, and most dead Lelouch believers will often think death was a tragic way to go for a story because of their materialistic mindset. They will never understsnd what it is like to have total power, control, and riches like the 1% of the world nor they never know the lifestyle of an aristocrat because of their lowly status in the world. Living for eternity is ultimately more tormenting whih was why CC wanted to die unless you have love by your side.
@@reincarnatedleaf1926 I believe he is too. Plus it makes no logical sense for Lelouch to engage in a glorified suicide, such a thing goes against his character. He's not Eren Jaeger. Lelouch would know better than anyone that the results of his Zero Requiem plan would last a decade at best before people started looking for other excuses to fight again. That's just human nature. So for Lelouch, dying for real or dying for good would have produced no lasting results. He's much more useful to the world alive than dead.
They call this a new begging well I really hope that means that we'll get a happy ending in which he spends the rest of eternity making C.C. smile and feel loved ( you know, the way it should have actually ended.. )
Even with the creator saying he is dead I doubt he would do something that would jeopardize his contract to C.C, after all, he realized what her true wish was and that was to be loved not to die.
I believe they meant that Lelouch is dead in the same way Suzaku is dead. In name, reputation, and identity. He's likely alive and with CC, just living under a new identity.
Man I do love code geasse I know people aren't happy that R3 brought back lelouch or the fact that it is a film and it is an alternative time but think off the positives now we have more code geass main series on a higher budget in a format where one the greatest anime endings is not ruined with the boy lelouch coming back I'm to hyped this anime is the anime I have re watched the most ever
Code geass is not code geass without lelouch i think the most of the people like that lelouch is alive in r3 i also do cuz the smart character are very fun btw the movie thing is stupid
I love Code geass so much. I remember watching it in my elementary or middle school days and my brothers were always hype about the next episode on Adult swim. So much nostalgia!
I was literally searching 2days straight for any evidence of Lelouch Being alive after I finished the anime I mean I couldn't even think that lelouch would die but I know for a fact that he will always be alive in our hearts.
or this whole death thing is a troll and he is reborn as someone new with the code and geass, someone without sin,one who does not fear death basically saying that lelouch is dead and this is a new person, a new start
Man the ost with the scenes brought me back the series so vividly especially the scene from the last ep when C2 was praying at the church to think that she's still immortal and right when she started to feeling some genuine happiness again, it gets stripped away from her and she has to spend possibly another lifetime of emptiness and sorrow, now I miss the series :'( What I don't understand from this is if the revamp makes it more clear that Lelouch dies (the nature of the other changes not being mentioned here), how does that better prepare for his possible return when at least the original was left open to interpretation?
Writers sometimes make a mess of their own stories. The writers of Code Geass could have made a sequel to fit the timeline of the TV series but if they said Lelouch was dead and CC was cool with it, they would have to create a new timeline to continue the series. If I was the author and not sure if I want to make a sequel to my story, I would keep the ending open-ended.
How is there any confusion. youtube the original Japanese version where there is a secret ending scene where hes clearly seen driving the wagon that C2 is laying in the back of.
That fan theory has no basis in the anime's lore. The anime established the rule that everyone loses his geass when he gets the code. No exceptions. They never even bring up that possibility that there may be exceptions. As such, this idea is pure fanfic
On the original series, I'm one of those people who believed that he died but wasn't dead. It's sad to hear that they are just going to do a movie rather than a season. At the upcoming movie I just wanna see C.C. and Lelouch together and I wanna see all those damned faces of the people who knew Lelouch is Zero and they all just "NANI?" when they see Lelouch. ALL HAIL CODE GEASS! ALL HAIL LELOUCH.
"I'm one of those people who believed that he died but wasn't dead". That doen't fit at all with what the show creators have told us. It also violates the lore of the anime. The anime is very cleear that it is impossible for Lelouch to have a code. I'll give some examples which make it clear that Lelouch's death wasn't temporary, exchanging "death" for "death for 5 minutes" makes no sense at all. “The only ones who should kill, are those who are prepared to be killed.” and NOT “The only ones who should kill, are those who are prepared to be killed for 5 minutes.” "For those two who bear the heavy sin known as killing their fathers, they share the belief that they can forgive each other by imposing the greatest punishments on themselves. Death for Lelouch who wishes for a tomorrow with his sister, life for Suzaku who wishes to atone for his sins through death." - "Before I started writing the story of a person called Lelouch, I confirmed with Taniguchi-director something. That thing was that the end of Lelouch will be DEATH." - "At least he is aware of his sins and pays for them with his DEATH. This is mine and Taniguchi-director' sense of ethics in our works." - "This man called Lelouch will pay for his sins by his DEATH. The story follows him till he finally make this decision." - "Probably this Lelouch we see in the first episode of the series wouldn't choose DEATH. He would try something to avoid it. He couldn't DIE, for Nunnally as well. But we see him changed in the last episode."
Lelouch didn’t die at the end of Code Geass because let’s not forget about the flashback before Lelouch’s childhood friend kills where in the flashback Lelouch tell that he will be giving a gift called Geass to the world to insure the future that he’s creating will be safe. And let’s not forget that his sister touched his hand and saw his memories of the past few moments of time before his death.
You need to rewatch the show because you have completely forgotten everything. He never ghave a geass to Suzaku, he was referring to his earlier statement that a wish is like a geass because it forces people to fulfill it. And thus he gave Suzaku humanity's wish/"geass" of a better world. Nunally never saw any visions, she saw nothing. Those images were for the audience only. this is obvious because Nunnally already realizes everything BEFORE the images appear. You can even hear her gasp before the images appear! Lelouch is dead for real. The show staff officially confirmed that. The anime made it even literally impossible for Lelouch to have a code because that would have violated the established lore
Could C2 not have known that having both Code and Geass at the same time was possible? What if she was unaware of the exact nature of the contracts? Weare told that Code is given to a Geass user if the owner of the Code is killed by said Geass user; however, we don't know if the contract allows one to steal another Code user's Code (a user who did not for the contract with the Geass user).
Its in my top 5 And I don't like this idea of a new movie Its amazing Why give alternative endings I also think he was alive at the end Its code geass Well I kinda want him alive since so many fools survived But not in the spotlight Like Hey i died but you will never know that I'm alive
You can choose to believe he's alive, but you also have to keep in mind that that is your personal headcanon and not the show's canon, as in the shows's canon he is truly dead and doesn't have the code.
IsilionNELE That's fine too But if I see this movie and its like akito Just for the money Then my canon will be the real canon I don't care about what the directors did Would monster need a new movie Or fmab Or gurren laggan No Just leave it be I'm just mad because I thought we were getting a season 3 but in Then those recaps who changed things I didn't like but are canon Aghh I'm mad cause code grass is one of favorites And I don't like when they touch it
The reason they made it an AU is because they didn't want to touch the original series. R1 and R2 will forever remain untouched. Lelouch is also canonically dead in R2, but people can have their headcanons of course. And yes, these movies were made for money, but so id everything. If R1 had been a failure, R2 would have been canceled. As long as the story is good, it'll be ok.
@@NeoLegendX hes alive in R2 and the new movie, both anime adaptation parallels that, but both of them are not related canonically. It is to show that no matter which universe of Code Geass you are in, the character Lelouch reached singularity and destined to be with CC in the aftermath of his "wish" from the power of the Geass but is isolation from the rest of the population as they are immortal.
Imma just say this now. The reason why they showed that scene of cc at the end was so that they could make an alternate universe version where that farmer driving her is actually lelouch.
Not true at all. that scene is from 2008 and it does NOT have Lelouch in it. That was just a fan-made edit. They didn't decide to make a movie until a decade later, and the movie universe (4 movies in total now) doesn't even have that epilogue because they changed that so that C.C. is alone and riding a donkey In the anime Lelouch is dead forever
Also to add onto the story of the Zero Requiem, it was first started in a prison cell in the Akito the Exiled series. Just to point that out since nobody seems to know this small fact.
It's not a 3rd season they're making. People assumed it was and some took their wishes for truth, but the creators always called it "project" and never season. We now know Lelouch of the Resurrection is not a season but a movie.
Lelouch took all the hate and brough world peace.very sad but very nice.just wish the characters saw the lelouch was planing all this from the begining instead of thinking of him as the devil
The dvd/blu-ray of the 3rd movie will be released on September 26th geass.jp/product/blue-ray/index.html#product_wrap I expect a fansub a few days later
I am one of the people who wanted Lelouch to be alive at the end of the series. The decision to just set it in an alternate universe doesn't please me. Because, it means the Lelouch that I followed for two seasons and have loved for years is still dead, while Ohgi, Villeta, Tamaki, Chiba, and a lot of other people who didn't deserve the happy endings they got, are still alive. I was hoping in the third season Lelouch would come back, get to call everyone that betrayed him on their actions, reunite with Nunnally, and end up with Kallen, C.C., or both if they're willing. Yeah I like that that can still happen in the alternate universe, but I'd have preferred it to happen in the main universe.
ik u wont read rhis 3 years later but if anyone derserved to die it was lelouch sad truth he did his dream tho he died destroying the world and creating a new one the world now has peace he was betrayyed backstabbed but still did eveything for his sister and the world and again lelouch does not like kallen thats just terrible kallen doesnt even love lelouch she loves zero CC and leouch should of happend i agree for sure but yeah im sad he died but thats what made the ending great and a s3 will never happen and again all the black knighs simpply did what they though was best for japan they though zero betraed them so ofc they dipped again they just fought for freedom for japan Lelouch did much more but again i do kinda wish he dint die but its what made the ending great
Well... i was so happy that there was the possibility that lelouch was still alive i mean for me he deserve to live in a wold buided by himself, maybe at the edge, watching and warding the operate of Suzaku and Nunnaly. I think that an alternaty story is pretty useless, its just a bullshit for earn money, but i am just a guy who loves the classic ending clichè. I also think that everyone in the deep of his heart was hoping to see the return of Lelouch instead of this " not canonic endig" . That's my sad opinion :(
He's confirmed to return. That's why the sequel is called Resurrection. He will be resurrected from the grave. The recent trailer even confirmed once more that he's truly dead
Know what? The confirmation that Lelouch is dead in the trailer? Sunrise released the trailer with official English subs on their facebook page. It has C.C. saying that Lelouch is dead. Since the creators have been saying for 10 years that Lelouch is dead, and C.C. confirming it here too, there really is 0 doubt that Lelouch is indeed 100% dead and not immortal. Which makes total sense because the sequel is called Lelouch of the Resurrection. I'll dig up the Sunrise post for you. facebook.com/SunriseIntl/videos/867098186819700/?hc_ref=ARTZFLgGohGgDQYldQYsxUiRzzJUy9qd7m5X8zn9fjqpkDQJtABMwD3bK3fERKFiTjY&fref=nf
I'm sure we'll find out in the movie. For now all we can do is hope that the story will be good. But as you can see, there really is no doubt he is dead. That applies to both R2 and the movies because Lelouch's fate was identical in both R2 and the movies
DieGorn1000 He NEVER did that. That was just a myth created by a conspiracy theory. The show staff even explicitly explained that Lelouch never shared his memories with Nunnally! Read the stickied comment on this video and follow the link to all the info
Good video, but I admit I don't care, the outcome is good either way, and just because the creator says something isn't always the end for a lot of fans, remember Cursed Child from Harry Potter and how it still isn't considered canon by most of the community that is invested? So yeah I don't care, but fine. Although I will say I don't like citing "those who kill must be ready to be killed", because I feel like if you take that at face value then the reverse should also be true, why shouldn't someone that tries to help people not be helped?
I don't think Lelouch ever told Kallen he was depressed when he said "comfort me" does that mean he wasn't depressed? Just because you don't say something word-for-word doesn't mean it's not implied or logical. If those that kill should be ready to be killed, then why would those that help others and risk there lives not be ready to be helped?
Exactly, when the creator makes dumb decisions the fanbase is inclined to start ignoring what he says, just like you brought up The Cursed Child and Jk Rowling. I'm for this just because i want to see more of Lelouch but i doubt it's going to be as good as R1 and R2
The fanbase has no say over what is true in the story or not. Only the writers do. How conceited do you have to be to believe that you know the story better than the people who made the story themselves
Uhhh what? It's up to the fanbase to consider something cannon or not. A writer can say something is cannon but the fanbase doesn't have to accept it if it fucking sucks
It's the Zero Requiem movie from 2009, it's the official recap of R2. You can find it on the ZR dvd/blu-ray and on streaming sites like kissanime. Just look for "Zero Requiem movie"
You know what the directors and creators are just saying he's dead which would be the perfect fit to my theory of lelouch wanting everyone but C2 to believe he is dead so my theory is that lelouch is alive but just wishes for to live a simple life with C2 or alone but I believe if he was alive C2 would find him anyway and will not return which is the only ending I could have hoped for because he created a peaceful world for his friends but simply wishes to just disappear and enjoy the world he created. Still cried at the end because deep deep down I know that lelouch is truly dead :(
C.C. explicitly said Lelouch was dead and that she mourns his death in the remade epilogue, so that doesn't fit your theory. streamable.com/d8dji And the creators wouldn't lie about his fate. He is canonically dead. The show makes it impossible for him to have a code.
Yeah I know that's why I said deep deep down I know he is dead just held on to the sliver of hope that he was still alive but I know he is confirmed dead
There is no season 3, there never was. Sunrise was always very careful with their wording, they never said season, they always said "new project". It's just that fans always take their wishes for true. They wanted a season so they tricked themselves into believing that the project was a season.
The movie is a continuation of the movies. R2 will never get a continuation, that was the whole point of making the movies an alternate universe. To them that's a finished product they don't want to touch. In R2 Lelouch is 100% dead and that's the end of the story. In the movies Lelouch is 100% dead but in the sequel, "Lelouch of the Resurrection", he will be resurrected from the grave.
Charles died once too before he revealed the code, so I'm not sure that Lelouch dying is relevant. The fact is that the Code would *resurrect* him from a state of death, and that his right hand was coated in blood by his own choice; the Geass Charles had before Lelouch stated, "Begone" and had Charles obliterated was on his right hand. I'm absolutely certain that somewhere in production ambiguity became part of the plan, otherwise those cues would serve absolutely no purpose. That having been said, I'm glad their new direction is an alternative universe, yeah. I just wish creators of art wouldn't produce ambiguous pieces then just absolutely refuse to let them remain ambiguous.
Charles didn't die! When you look at that scene you'll notice there was not nerves realignment scene and Charles had no red rings around his eyes which always happens when Lelouch geasses someone. That means Charles was already immune to geass and immortal. That completely obliterates the fan idea that you need to activate the code first. SInce Charles was already immune to geass he already had an active code, which means codes are never not active which means codes don't need to be activated. This was later explicitly confirmed by the creators in a live commentary. Here's the report of that: パパんにギアス掛けるシーンも、「これギアス掛かってないのに死んだふりするんだよ」「息子を驚かせようと」「ルルーシュくんかわいそう」「これ一番ショックなタイミング計ってるよね」「絶対笑いこらえてるよ」って色々言われてて笑った。 Translation: About that scene Lelouch geass his dad I laughed because they said like "He isn't geassed, just pretends he dies!" " He tries to surprise his son!" "Poor Lelouch" "He tries to choose the most shocking timing, doesn't he" "I'm sure he tries hard not to laugh" コウジロウさん「この人、ギアスかかってない じゃないですか。よく我慢してますよね。こことか 絶対笑い堪えてますよ」 Translation: "He isn't under an influence form Geass, is he? He's good with pretending, sure. I'm sure he tries his hardest not to laugh right now." So you see Charles NEVER died, he was faking it to toy with his son. Also, Lelouch didn't kill Charles when Charles got erased, it was "God" who did that. All Lelouch did was REQUEST (not even geass) "God" to not stop the forward march of time, it was "god" who decided to answer by erasing Charles. Charles was already dissolving long before Lelouch says "begone", it had nothing to do with that.
Intentional ambiguity that was later obliterated by creators because they can't handle differing viewpoints. Literally what I was talking about with my final paragraph, with wishing they would just shut the fuck up and let people appreciate their story rather than feeling the need to write ambiguity into it, then tell people, "NO U WONG! HE NO DIE , HE PRETENDIN!" I also like how a lot of what you quoted was in the form of questions. It really sounds professional and absolute, just like that one guy who shared his OPINION about whether or not Lelouch should be dead on the record. I could go into a million good reasons to not give Charles the not-actually-visible geass eye outline during that scene, starting with suspense, continuing with Lelouch not even knowing if he managed to reach his optical nerves with it, etc. It's like they're *trying* to break everything that made Code Geass enjoyable to talk about or rewatch. No, wait, in fact, they are. They are doing that, not just trying, to sell a Code Geass AU. Sure, it was God who did that when Lelouch used his Geass on God, and then informed Charles that it was, "Reality's Response," "So BEGONE NOW!" and Charles is erased on the, "NOW!" Telling me that was entirely for, um, effect, and and/or it's 'confirmed' that God wasn't influenced by Lelouch at all, and that Codes can't be transferred even if you kill someone with GOD'S POWER while they are in physical contact with you, is, well, antithetical to what the show states. What do you think the purpose was to taking out his contact before angling his head up to speak at God? Why do you think he gained the Geass in his right eye afterwards? He *absolutely* Geassed God, and instead of demanding shit from him, he asked, just like with ~50% of the people he used Geass on. "Could you do me a favor?" "I could use..." Etc. Lelouch always worded his commands like that until the end. "That completely obliterates the fan idea that you need to activate the code first" So you choose to completely ignore C2 explaining how she got her code, and that she obviously died before it activated? Fair enough, but that's retarded!
Thanks nice explanation but after hearing that the code is supposed to be transferred upon its possessor's death to the killer, Lelouch should have obtained it from his father ya? but then you have the author say he's ded so I'm assuming it's kind of a plot hole/miscalculation from his part i.e he wanted the mc to die from the start but he didn't consider the code part getting in the way so he just ignored it.
"the code is supposed to be transferred upon its possessor's death to the killer" This is a very big mistake made by the English speaking fandom. The death of the former bearer has nothing to do wity code transfer. Even the anime says so. Charles got his code even though he never killed V.V. V.V. just succumbed to his injuries from battle because after losing the code he was a normal mortal again. People who were pushing the code theory narrative in the ENglish speaking fandom always tried to keep those facts from the anime under the rug. The anime itself says that it's impossible for Lelouch to have the cde. If you're interested, read this post which has all the info compiled: www.reddit.com/user/GeassedbyLelouch/comments/8hklfr/evaluating_code_theory_main_body_index/
When does the anime say Lelouch can't have a code and why? how did V2 lose his code and how is it obtained in the first place then? Ty for the link I'll read the post but if you already have answers to these questions I'd appreciate it :)
The anime established the rule that you lose the geass when you get the code. This has applied to EVERYONE who ever has gotten the code: the nun, C.C., V.V., Charles. Charles even explicitly confirms this rule by saying "I have ganed a new power IN PLACE OF geass". And yet, Lelouch uses his geass long after his final confrontation with Charles, that means he cannot have a code. The idea that Lelouch is an exception to this rule is never brought up in the anime. Even the possibility that exceptions can exist is never suggested in any way in the anime, and there are no precedents. If it had been possible, they would have shown us, but they didn't. That means the idea that Lelouch has both a code and a geass is nothing more than fanfic which has nothing to do with the real anime's lore. Code activation is also not something which exists in the anime, I'll explain that below. As for code transfers, we don't know a lot of things of how it works, but we do know somethings. We know that the death of the former bearer has nothing to do with the transfer because V.V. was still alive after Charles already got the code. V.V. was badly wounded and talking to C.C. while Charles already had the code and confronting Lelouch. We know that Charles already had the code because of Lelouch's failed geass on him. Yes, failed. When Lelouch tries to geass him, there's no nerves realigning scene and no red rings around Charles' eyes which ALWAYS happens when someone is geassed. That means Charles was already immune to geass and thus already had the code and already was immortal. Charles didn't die, he was faking it. This was even explicitly officially confirmed. (I'll paste that official statement below.) If Charles was already immune, he already had an active code, which means that codes are never not active which means codes do not require activation. As I said above, since code activation is not something that exists, Lelouch using his geass proves that it's impossible for him to have the code. The show staff officially confirmed during a live commentary that Charles never was geassed and never died, he was faking it to toy with his son. Here's the reports on that: パパんにギアス掛けるシーンも、「これギアス掛かってないのに死んだふりするんだよ」「息子を驚かせようと」「ルルーシュくんかわいそう」「これ一番ショックなタイミング計ってるよね」「絶対笑いこらえてるよ」って色々言われてて笑った。 Translation: About that scene Lelouch geass his dad I laughed because they said like "He isn't geassed, just pretends he dies!" " He tries to surprise his son!" "Poor Lelouch" "He tries to choose the most shocking timing, doesn't he" "I'm sure he tries hard not to laugh" コウジロウさん「この人、ギアスかかってない じゃないですか。よく我慢してますよね。こことか 絶対笑い堪えてますよ」 Translation: "He isn't under an influence form Geass, is he? He's good with pretending, sure. I'm sure he tries his hardest not to laugh right now."
He’s alive as the cart driver at the end of R2 lol when the writers say he’s dead they mean that the Lelouch as we know is dead because he has a new identity now
Yep, Zero identity lives on. Lelouch is L.L. now. JK Rowling never revealed any detailed of her unreleased to the directos and staff when making Harry Potter movies except for a specific cast member. This type of practice can be seen through many projects and productions where the author would generally never reveal secret details for it to not risk being leaked, except to trusted team.
He's dead in all the different timelines/universes. The difference is that he'll stay dead in the original story because that story has ended. He will be resurrected in the new universe from the movies. The sequel's name is "Lelouch of the Resurrection" after all. That was announced 2 years ago.
I see. Yes that is correct. He died in the movies too, the 3rd movie was released in Japan and made that clear. Since the sequel is called Resurrection, we kinda know how Lelouch will come back :p
1st of all Cc is 100% in love with lelouch. This needs no interpretation. 2nd of all The creator of code geass leaves this to 2 endings. 1 where lelouch bangs cc everyday in australia and 1 where lelouch is dead
Not true. Code Geass does *NOT* have an open ending. The show staff said people were free to interpret Lelouch's death as happy or sad, but not that people were fre to interpret his death itself. His death is set in stone because the anime makes it impossible for Lelouch to have the code as that would have violated the rules the anime itself established.
@@IsilionNELE even if lelouch has code or not there are rules that are violated in logic... so they can interpret it as they want. The ending scene is open to millions of interpretations
What logical rules are being violated? The anime istelf didn't violate anything. Code Geass is a fictional world with established rules of what is possible and what isn't. Lelouch having a code would breach those rules, therefore he doesn't have the code. While the ending is open to an infinite interpretations, canonically there is only one: Lelouch is dead and doesn't have the code. For example, people are free to see the anime as a fever dream of a dying Lelouch who got shot in the head in the very first episode, but that is not canon. There is only one canon, all the rest are headcanons which may or may not completely violate everything the anime tells us.
@@IsilionNELE if leliuch does mot have the code then who has it ? The code cannot just dissapear into oblivion...someone has to take it ... also what logic is broken by lelouch having code?pls explain me why he couldnt take the code when fighting charles
I've seen the movies, I know what was changed. You can't just wave things away with "a lot was changed". Everything concerning Lelouch's fate and his death and the Zero Requiem was identical. Lelouch is obviously dead in both R2 and in the movies. R2 has ended forever and he will stay dead forever, but in the movies he will be brought back from the grave, hence the name "Resurrection"
IsilionNELE yea I didn't say that it was, I was trying to tell ppl that the main season and the new movies aren't meant to be mixed as in they're 2 different things. I'm not saying youre wrong
@Anime Balls Deep Great video but I have not understood one thing. The director said the ending was open to interpretation but at the same time the writer said leluch was dead. Could you explain me what happend ?
The director never said the ending was open, that's just a myth. For 10 years the director has either confirmed Lelouch was dead or simply refused to answer the question (can't blame him, always the same question from people who didn't understand his work) Then the movie was about to be released and for the first time in a decade he said "you decide" because he wasn't allowed to spoil the plot of the movie during the movie promotion. Then the movie showed us he was dead for real and that it was C.C. who literally resurrected his dead corpse. And after that the director rescinded his "you decide" comment by explaining that when they made the anime they never even considered the option of keeping Lelouch alive.
I don't care the Creator wanted to make Lelouch is dead or not the direction of the original anime make it ambiguously he alive or not. I believe with my own interpretation if he alive or not. Until they make an official season 3 that continue the original tv series that said Lelouch is officially dead then I don't care what they want or said outside the anime. Alternate stories is not cannon to the original tv series.
It's not just the creators' words, the anime itself makes it impossible for Lelouch to have a code. The anime made it very clear that everyone who gets a code loses the geass, and Lelouch used his geass until the very end.
wish CC and L would of done something b4 the anime ended i mean a min scene of him saying he lovers her or something ik that would be kinda corny but i feel like we all knew it was there but the ending was great i was fr crying when nunally was crying i dint care all i wanted to do was be with you and then the scene where he says he destoryed the world and created a new one was just perfect is charchter is a 10/10 but like the last half of s2 i rlly wanted sum cc and L sum to happen with them sucks he just kinda left her all alone and i still feel bad for sherly but overall show was great 10/10
If she had a kid with him and the kid is just his look alike, but maybe he see and talks too his dad, that's a interesting twist. But most likely not going too happen.
Man I love Code Geass so much.
CC is true bae
True Waifu.
RasenRendan X #TeamKallen
Anthony Edenhart oh she can get it too.
Boi. Best girl is Villetta
Indeed
CC>>>>>>Cornelia>>>>>Kallen>>>>>> Other girls
WHO REMEMBERS TABLE-KUN POOR TABLE NINA ABUSED THE TABLE DID THE TABLE SO DIRTY!!!!!!
That was literally the only part of the anime that I will -fap to- skip
😂😂😂 Traumatized
I honestly don't care what the creators say about Lelouch's death. I believe the story works best with him becoming immortal.
As long as you know that's your personal headcanon and not the canon story, that's fine. And as long that you don't present your own personal theories to others as canon or fact
hes dead
It makes the ending better
It can work with him finding a way to gain immortality. But I think it's a more powerful story and shows more growth of character and a better character arc with him accepting his own death as the price he pays for a better world.
Thats a typical ending you can find on other Anime. This very reason is why I love Code Geass because they broke the stereotype.
Code geass had a great ending.
I still hate Nina.
Trickester1000
that girl i hate her too
Trickester1000 agree always annoying
Who doesn't?
Sammme
Poor Table
Lelouch who was betrayed by many but sacrificed for so many more
@Orga777 his death was to unit the world to prevent from something like that happen again
@Orga777 He didn't die to atone. He died to unite everyone.
@Orga777 Pay close attention? I'm literally a fanboy. Sure, Lelouch felt guilt for killing his half sister..but this was planned from the beginning.
@Orga777 It wasn't atonement it was necessary.
For me, as much as the ending was great he actually didn't need to sacrifice himself but he did it to atone for his sins...
Code Geass is in my Top 5 Anime
FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST
My Hero Academia
Psycho Pass
Ergo proxy
Cowboy Bebop
Death Note
Blood Blockade Battlefront
jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Attack on titan
Gurren Lagann
The Seven Deadly Sins
I Don't See Hunter x Hunter yet
Probably my number one ending. But also in my top five.
Hyper Angel so uncultured? Dude, that’s his opinion, for some people mha is a super enjoyable and lovable anime for them, well it’s not even in my top 15 but that’s ok for him
@@aross1342 could you place The numbers to it so that I know which one is number 1 and which is number 10?
At least the original ending makes it out intact. My tears weren't for nothing. Ma boi died doing what god intended, trolling. At least his death wasn't a troll.
Young Xehanort there is no god aside from lelouch himself
@@gpd23-i2z Dont forget Kira The god of the new world.
I actually love the ending even if it's sad. It made me weep. Love is a sacrifice after all.
If Lelouch is truely dead I cant watch CodeGeass season 3... as he is the sole purpose I am in love with CodeGeass as the relationship between C2 and Lelouch was the best.
There isn't a season 3 based on the TV series but there will be a continuation of the movie series, possibly of Lelouch and CC traveling the world solving grass-related problems.
JAPANESE VERSION, you will find your answer
EXACTLY... it's like watching a sherlock holmes movie that has only Watson in it Instead😂 makes no sense.
Yah I agree 🥲
@@Elly3981 grass 😂 love your auto correct.
still saddens me that he died and left his waifu CC alone smh
Zain Niddu no lelouch didnt die lol and lelu gf was shirley but i do think cc and lelu is a good pair
Did you even watch the video, watch the anime, or read this post www.reddit.com/user/GeassedbyLelouch/comments/8hklfr/evaluating_code_theory_main_body_index/ ?
Lelouch is undeniably 100% dead
Lelouch doesn't have any gf y'know. He's more focus on his sister and his revenge plus he care about shirley same how he care about the others in the student council and kalen.
Or Resurrected after he "died"...
@@keikawaii108 I think Nunnaly has a bro complex. As we watch the series from season 1, it was confirmed that since they were kids, Nunnaly and Euphy has bwen arguing which one of them will marry Lelouch that's why when Lelouch died in Nunnaly's arms, she is in great despair.
I honestly thought Lelouch died at the end but later on I was debating whether or not he died. •w• Nice video btw
Hes alive in both version of the anime.
He’s alive
He is alive in my heart. Sorry dudes. I'm sticking with the open ending of the original series.
In your heart is perfectly fine.
There's no problem with having a personal headcanon as long as you also know what the real canon is so that you don't get confused when the sequel starts and Lelouch is truly dead.
IsilionNELE Yeah I'm most definitely not going to argue with anyone about this topic anymore, but I'm just keeping my headcanon with the original series intact. Sometimes leaving a master piece alone is better.
You and the bulk of the CG fandom, pal.
He is alive.
Many people are conceited and selfish to understand the series or read between the lines. It is why it is still open ended and create a dynamic between who can see the truth and perpetuate in the illusion.
People who see Leloich's death is reflective of the population in the anime, where most belieced he is dead, and only the few with high insight or keen observation will realize he is alive to execute the most elaborate stage for the world to see.
Punishment of immortality is much more dire compare to simple death of a body, and most dead Lelouch believers will often think death was a tragic way to go for a story because of their materialistic mindset. They will never understsnd what it is like to have total power, control, and riches like the 1% of the world nor they never know the lifestyle of an aristocrat because of their lowly status in the world. Living for eternity is ultimately more tormenting whih was why CC wanted to die unless you have love by your side.
@@reincarnatedleaf1926 I believe he is too. Plus it makes no logical sense for Lelouch to engage in a glorified suicide, such a thing goes against his character. He's not Eren Jaeger. Lelouch would know better than anyone that the results of his Zero Requiem plan would last a decade at best before people started looking for other excuses to fight again. That's just human nature. So for Lelouch, dying for real or dying for good would have produced no lasting results. He's much more useful to the world alive than dead.
Worsted betrayal in anime in history :'( ,we need a series not a movie
They call this a new begging well I really hope that means that we'll get a happy ending in which he spends the rest of eternity making C.C. smile and feel loved ( you know, the way it should have actually ended.. )
We did get something like that in the Code Geass movie sequel.
All haill lelouch vi britania !!!
*Britannia
ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
ALL HAIL LELOUCH
Even with the creator saying he is dead I doubt he would do something that would jeopardize his contract to C.C, after all, he realized what her true wish was and that was to be loved not to die.
I believe they meant that Lelouch is dead in the same way Suzaku is dead. In name, reputation, and identity.
He's likely alive and with CC, just living under a new identity.
@@Elly3981 exactly
Code Geass isn’t just my favorite anime it’s probably one of my favorite shows period. Seriously just so freaking good.
Man I do love code geasse I know people aren't happy that R3 brought back lelouch or the fact that it is a film and it is an alternative time but think off the positives now we have more code geass main series on a higher budget in a format where one the greatest anime endings is not ruined with the boy lelouch coming back I'm to hyped this anime is the anime I have re watched the most ever
Code geass is not code geass without lelouch i think the most of the people like that lelouch is alive in r3 i also do cuz the smart character are very fun btw the movie thing is stupid
@Orga777 it is confirmed that lelouch will be in r3 and people love smart caracters like lelouch
I watched it every year since 2011
its not a season three but moive its not about lelouch hes dead
I love Code geass so much. I remember watching it in my elementary or middle school days and my brothers were always hype about the next episode on Adult swim. So much nostalgia!
Everytime I watch your video’s I replay your intro’s lmao
Who else just watched the episode of code geass in the background instead of listening to the theory?
Me 😂
This is edited really well!!!
I was literally searching 2days straight for any evidence of Lelouch Being alive after I finished the anime I mean I couldn't even think that lelouch would die but I know for a fact that he will always be alive in our hearts.
There was a cut bit of Post "Last" episode, where C2 is on cart with a man... who looks like Lulu...
Lets go code geass video
I really love Code geass and I am very hype for this movie but i wish it was a full season thou.
So in the end did lelouch fulfiled C.C wish? What is C.C real name too. So is both of tis cliffhanger for the canon series?
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or this whole death thing is a troll and he is reborn as someone new with the code and geass, someone without sin,one who does not fear death basically saying that lelouch is dead and this is a new person, a new start
Reincarnation? 😂
That will not happen.
Man the ost with the scenes brought me back the series so vividly especially the scene from the last ep when C2 was praying at the church to think that she's still immortal and right when she started to feeling some genuine happiness again, it gets stripped away from her and she has to spend possibly another lifetime of emptiness and sorrow, now I miss the series :'(
What I don't understand from this is if the revamp makes it more clear that Lelouch dies (the nature of the other changes not being mentioned here), how does that better prepare for his possible return when at least the original was left open to interpretation?
Writers sometimes make a mess of their own stories. The writers of Code Geass could have made a sequel to fit the timeline of the TV series but if they said Lelouch was dead and CC was cool with it, they would have to create a new timeline to continue the series. If I was the author and not sure if I want to make a sequel to my story, I would keep the ending open-ended.
when I watch AOT when rumbling begin the ending looks like code Geass and I don't Suprise.
Btw cried sooooooooooooooooooo much
I did the ugly cry when he died.
How is there any confusion. youtube the original Japanese version where there is a secret ending scene where hes clearly seen driving the wagon that C2 is laying in the back of.
Hes alive i would like to point out something people i dont think he took charles code from him he took CCs by accedient
The final scene was Lelouch and cc riding in a cart, though. Wtf is the question?
Its not confirmed that it was lelouch people just theorized that it is
Yyaaaayy another Code Geass content 👍🏾😄👍🏾
Truly the best form of Jesus in anime
actually no
Cthulhu_The_Destroyer lol no
Yes
His name is Makoto Yuki
Lelouch lived because he took the code of his father and not cc, that's why he has his geass and his father's code.
That fan theory has no basis in the anime's lore.
The anime established the rule that everyone loses his geass when he gets the code. No exceptions. They never even bring up that possibility that there may be exceptions.
As such, this idea is pure fanfic
when you didn't watch the video
On the original series, I'm one of those people who believed that he died but wasn't dead. It's sad to hear that they are just going to do a movie rather than a season. At the upcoming movie I just wanna see C.C. and Lelouch together and I wanna see all those damned faces of the people who knew Lelouch is Zero and they all just "NANI?" when they see Lelouch. ALL HAIL CODE GEASS! ALL HAIL LELOUCH.
"I'm one of those people who believed that he died but wasn't dead".
That doen't fit at all with what the show creators have told us. It also violates the lore of the anime. The anime is very cleear that it is impossible for Lelouch to have a code.
I'll give some examples which make it clear that Lelouch's death wasn't temporary, exchanging "death" for "death for 5 minutes" makes no sense at all.
“The only ones who should kill, are those who are prepared to be killed.”
and NOT “The only ones who should kill, are those who are prepared to be killed for 5 minutes.”
"For those two who bear the heavy sin known as killing their fathers, they share the belief that they can forgive each other by imposing the greatest punishments on themselves. Death for Lelouch who wishes for a tomorrow with his sister, life for Suzaku who wishes to atone for his sins through death."
- "Before I started writing the story of a person called Lelouch, I confirmed with Taniguchi-director something. That thing was that the end of Lelouch will be DEATH."
- "At least he is aware of his sins and pays for them with his DEATH. This is mine and Taniguchi-director' sense of ethics in our works."
- "This man called Lelouch will pay for his sins by his DEATH. The story follows him till he finally make this decision."
- "Probably this Lelouch we see in the first episode of the series wouldn't choose DEATH. He would try something to avoid it. He couldn't DIE, for Nunnally as well. But we see him changed in the last episode."
Lelouch didn’t die at the end of Code Geass because let’s not forget about the flashback before Lelouch’s childhood friend kills where in the flashback Lelouch tell that he will be giving a gift called Geass to the world to insure the future that he’s creating will be safe. And let’s not forget that his sister touched his hand and saw his memories of the past few moments of time before his death.
You need to rewatch the show because you have completely forgotten everything.
He never ghave a geass to Suzaku, he was referring to his earlier statement that a wish is like a geass because it forces people to fulfill it. And thus he gave Suzaku humanity's wish/"geass" of a better world.
Nunally never saw any visions, she saw nothing. Those images were for the audience only. this is obvious because Nunnally already realizes everything BEFORE the images appear. You can even hear her gasp before the images appear!
Lelouch is dead for real.
The show staff officially confirmed that.
The anime made it even literally impossible for Lelouch to have a code because that would have violated the established lore
Could C2 not have known that having both Code and Geass at the same time was possible? What if she was unaware of the exact nature of the contracts? Weare told that Code is given to a Geass user if the owner of the Code is killed by said Geass user; however, we don't know if the contract allows one to steal another Code user's Code (a user who did not for the contract with the Geass user).
Its in my top 5
And I don't like this idea of a new movie
Its amazing
Why give alternative endings
I also think he was alive at the end
Its code geass
Well I kinda want him alive since so many fools survived
But not in the spotlight
Like
Hey i died but you will never know that I'm alive
You can choose to believe he's alive, but you also have to keep in mind that that is your personal headcanon and not the show's canon, as in the shows's canon he is truly dead and doesn't have the code.
IsilionNELE
That's fine too
But if I see this movie and its like akito
Just for the money
Then my canon will be the real canon
I don't care about what the directors did
Would monster need a new movie
Or fmab
Or gurren laggan
No
Just leave it be
I'm just mad because
I thought we were getting a season 3 but in
Then those recaps who changed things I didn't like but are canon
Aghh
I'm mad cause code grass is one of favorites
And I don't like when they touch it
The reason they made it an AU is because they didn't want to touch the original series. R1 and R2 will forever remain untouched.
Lelouch is also canonically dead in R2, but people can have their headcanons of course.
And yes, these movies were made for money, but so id everything. If R1 had been a failure, R2 would have been canceled. As long as the story is good, it'll be ok.
i hope so
@@NeoLegendX hes alive in R2 and the new movie, both anime adaptation parallels that, but both of them are not related canonically. It is to show that no matter which universe of Code Geass you are in, the character Lelouch reached singularity and destined to be with CC in the aftermath of his "wish" from the power of the Geass but is isolation from the rest of the population as they are immortal.
I really love that Intro, but what Anime is at 0:06, the guy in the red shirt with cat/tiger claws? (im not talking about saitama/shirou)
Silver Hetch Bungou Stray Dogs.
I still think that lelouch alive ever sense he told suzaku to kill him so he can leave his country with c2
Ian Botello wait? what!? when did he say that?..i don't remember he saying that🤔
The saddest part about the ending for me was that we never got to see Lelouch and C.C. together. Also we never learned C.C.’s real name.
uhm, watch the movie?
@@hmmm6211 The movie is not canon.
that's why in the movie Shirley is still alive and Mao didn't exist.
Why is CC so bae, why do i have a crush on an animated character
Imma just say this now. The reason why they showed that scene of cc at the end was so that they could make an alternate universe version where that farmer driving her is actually lelouch.
Not true at all.
that scene is from 2008 and it does NOT have Lelouch in it. That was just a fan-made edit.
They didn't decide to make a movie until a decade later, and the movie universe (4 movies in total now) doesn't even have that epilogue because they changed that so that C.C. is alone and riding a donkey
In the anime Lelouch is dead forever
Also to add onto the story of the Zero Requiem, it was first started in a prison cell in the Akito the Exiled series. Just to point that out since nobody seems to know this small fact.
"this book tells you over and over that Lelouch is dead. 100% D E A D."
me: Well i guess i know what book i'm NEVER buying
when i watch code geass i didn't cry because i just watch only a few anime and heartless.but now when i rewatch code geass i cry so hard.
I THOUGHT IT WASN'T A SEASON 3 I THOUGHT IT WAS MOVIE?
Peace under a lie is still a lie
?
omg this is new to me, le louch has to be one of my favourite, he had proper itatchi vibes, id dint' even know there was a s3!!! omg
It's not a 3rd season they're making. People assumed it was and some took their wishes for truth, but the creators always called it "project" and never season. We now know Lelouch of the Resurrection is not a season but a movie.
Lelouch took all the hate and brough world peace.very sad but very nice.just wish the characters saw the lelouch was planing all this from the begining instead of thinking of him as the devil
We can blame Lelouch on that too, because every time he was accused he never tried to explain himself but took the blame instead
I hate authors who can't make up with their mind.
Lelouch can just transfer his conciousness in cc mind ..
There isn't a single person who didn't cry, except if you are a machine :D
2 years later turns out that movie was an alternative ending which is going to be made into the anime.Therefore, the theory is still aliveeeeeeee.
The sequel movie could have been written to follow the original series. It was completely doable.
Yo anyone know if Glorification is available online somewhere yet?
The dvd/blu-ray of the 3rd movie will be released on September 26th
geass.jp/product/blue-ray/index.html#product_wrap
I expect a fansub a few days later
Thanks
You have got to have the best channel name I have seen on yourube.
I am one of the people who wanted Lelouch to be alive at the end of the series. The decision to just set it in an alternate universe doesn't please me. Because, it means the Lelouch that I followed for two seasons and have loved for years is still dead, while Ohgi, Villeta, Tamaki, Chiba, and a lot of other people who didn't deserve the happy endings they got, are still alive. I was hoping in the third season Lelouch would come back, get to call everyone that betrayed him on their actions, reunite with Nunnally, and end up with Kallen, C.C., or both if they're willing. Yeah I like that that can still happen in the alternate universe, but I'd have preferred it to happen in the main universe.
ik u wont read rhis 3 years later but if anyone derserved to die it was lelouch sad truth he did his dream tho he died destroying the world and creating a new one the world now has peace he was betrayyed backstabbed but still did eveything for his sister and the world and again lelouch does not like kallen thats just terrible kallen doesnt even love lelouch she loves zero CC and leouch should of happend i agree for sure but yeah im sad he died but thats what made the ending great and a s3 will never happen and again all the black knighs simpply did what they though was best for japan they though zero betraed them so ofc they dipped again they just fought for freedom for japan Lelouch did much more but again i do kinda wish he dint die but its what made the ending great
Basically a fail safe in case nobody likes the direction the r3 will go in, so we can still enjoy our canon r2 ending
When they said r3 wasnt coming i hanged myself. But as the 5 other times I gained an extra inch spine.
LELOUCH WAS A TRUE SALVAGE
salvage? Jesus
I don't remember being a piece of scrap
Of course we want to see lelouch love code geass hope he returns back
Well... i was so happy that there was the possibility that lelouch was still alive i mean for me he deserve to live in a wold buided by himself, maybe at the edge, watching and warding the operate of Suzaku and Nunnaly.
I think that an alternaty story is pretty useless, its just a bullshit for earn money, but i am just a guy who loves the classic ending clichè. I also think that everyone in the deep of his heart was hoping to see the return of Lelouch instead of this " not canonic endig" . That's my sad opinion :(
Where can I find the new movies?
Not even the scene of Simba finding his dead father can make me cry.
The fact that he died doesn't mean that he's not going to return, after all, the new sequel is called "Code geass : Lelouch of the Re;surrection"
He's confirmed to return. That's why the sequel is called Resurrection. He will be resurrected from the grave. The recent trailer even confirmed once more that he's truly dead
wait a minute, where did you know that?
Know what? The confirmation that Lelouch is dead in the trailer? Sunrise released the trailer with official English subs on their facebook page. It has C.C. saying that Lelouch is dead. Since the creators have been saying for 10 years that Lelouch is dead, and C.C. confirming it here too, there really is 0 doubt that Lelouch is indeed 100% dead and not immortal. Which makes total sense because the sequel is called Lelouch of the Resurrection.
I'll dig up the Sunrise post for you.
facebook.com/SunriseIntl/videos/867098186819700/?hc_ref=ARTZFLgGohGgDQYldQYsxUiRzzJUy9qd7m5X8zn9fjqpkDQJtABMwD3bK3fERKFiTjY&fref=nf
okay.
Well the really should have a good reason to bring back lelouch to life
I'm sure we'll find out in the movie. For now all we can do is hope that the story will be good.
But as you can see, there really is no doubt he is dead. That applies to both R2 and the movies because Lelouch's fate was identical in both R2 and the movies
If Lelouch hasn't Code then how could he show his memories to his sister right before his death?
DieGorn1000 He NEVER did that. That was just a myth created by a conspiracy theory. The show staff even explicitly explained that Lelouch never shared his memories with Nunnally!
Read the stickied comment on this video and follow the link to all the info
Lelouch in the new smash bro
Good video, but I admit I don't care, the outcome is good either way, and just because the creator says something isn't always the end for a lot of fans, remember Cursed Child from Harry Potter and how it still isn't considered canon by most of the community that is invested? So yeah I don't care, but fine.
Although I will say I don't like citing "those who kill must be ready to be killed", because I feel like if you take that at face value then the reverse should also be true, why shouldn't someone that tries to help people not be helped?
"if you take that at face value then the reverse should also be true"
But that's not what Lelouch says, though.
I don't think Lelouch ever told Kallen he was depressed when he said "comfort me" does that mean he wasn't depressed? Just because you don't say something word-for-word doesn't mean it's not implied or logical.
If those that kill should be ready to be killed, then why would those that help others and risk there lives not be ready to be helped?
Exactly, when the creator makes dumb decisions the fanbase is inclined to start ignoring what he says, just like you brought up The Cursed Child and Jk Rowling. I'm for this just because i want to see more of Lelouch but i doubt it's going to be as good as R1 and R2
The fanbase has no say over what is true in the story or not. Only the writers do.
How conceited do you have to be to believe that you know the story better than the people who made the story themselves
Uhhh what? It's up to the fanbase to consider something cannon or not. A writer can say something is cannon but the fanbase doesn't have to accept it if it fucking sucks
holy shit where can i find that movie with the epilogue, anything new is a must for me
It's the Zero Requiem movie from 2009, it's the official recap of R2. You can find it on the ZR dvd/blu-ray and on streaming sites like kissanime. Just look for "Zero Requiem movie"
*Code Geass is one of those animes where everyone has watched but I have no interest in watching for myself. But it is on my bucket list*
You know what the directors and creators are just saying he's dead which would be the perfect fit to my theory of lelouch wanting everyone but C2 to believe he is dead so my theory is that lelouch is alive but just wishes for to live a simple life with C2 or alone but I believe if he was alive C2 would find him anyway and will not return which is the only ending I could have hoped for because he created a peaceful world for his friends but simply wishes to just disappear and enjoy the world he created.
Still cried at the end because deep deep down I know that lelouch is truly dead :(
C.C. explicitly said Lelouch was dead and that she mourns his death in the remade epilogue, so that doesn't fit your theory. streamable.com/d8dji
And the creators wouldn't lie about his fate.
He is canonically dead. The show makes it impossible for him to have a code.
Yeah I know that's why I said deep deep down I know he is dead just held on to the sliver of hope that he was still alive but I know he is confirmed dead
Ah, ok. Well that's perfectly fine :)
Code geass season 3 release date 3 ?
ABD explained it's a single movie and not a season.
The release date in Japanese theaters is February 2019
Movie release February 2019 but but s3 is coming or not ?
There is no season 3, there never was. Sunrise was always very careful with their wording, they never said season, they always said "new project".
It's just that fans always take their wishes for true. They wanted a season so they tricked themselves into believing that the project was a season.
IsilionNELE but is it a continuation of season 2 or nah?
The movie is a continuation of the movies.
R2 will never get a continuation, that was the whole point of making the movies an alternate universe. To them that's a finished product they don't want to touch. In R2 Lelouch is 100% dead and that's the end of the story. In the movies Lelouch is 100% dead but in the sequel, "Lelouch of the Resurrection", he will be resurrected from the grave.
Charles died once too before he revealed the code, so I'm not sure that Lelouch dying is relevant. The fact is that the Code would *resurrect* him from a state of death, and that his right hand was coated in blood by his own choice; the Geass Charles had before Lelouch stated, "Begone" and had Charles obliterated was on his right hand. I'm absolutely certain that somewhere in production ambiguity became part of the plan, otherwise those cues would serve absolutely no purpose.
That having been said, I'm glad their new direction is an alternative universe, yeah. I just wish creators of art wouldn't produce ambiguous pieces then just absolutely refuse to let them remain ambiguous.
Charles didn't die! When you look at that scene you'll notice there was not nerves realignment scene and Charles had no red rings around his eyes which always happens when Lelouch geasses someone. That means Charles was already immune to geass and immortal. That completely obliterates the fan idea that you need to activate the code first. SInce Charles was already immune to geass he already had an active code, which means codes are never not active which means codes don't need to be activated.
This was later explicitly confirmed by the creators in a live commentary. Here's the report of that:
パパんにギアス掛けるシーンも、「これギアス掛かってないのに死んだふりするんだよ」「息子を驚かせようと」「ルルーシュくんかわいそう」「これ一番ショックなタイミング計ってるよね」「絶対笑いこらえてるよ」って色々言われてて笑った。
Translation: About that scene Lelouch geass his dad I laughed because
they said like "He isn't geassed, just pretends he dies!" " He tries to
surprise his son!" "Poor Lelouch" "He tries to choose the most shocking
timing, doesn't he" "I'm sure he tries hard not to laugh"
コウジロウさん「この人、ギアスかかってない じゃないですか。よく我慢してますよね。こことか 絶対笑い堪えてますよ」
Translation: "He isn't under an influence form Geass, is he? He's good
with pretending, sure. I'm sure he tries his hardest not to laugh right
now."
So you see Charles NEVER died, he was faking it to toy with his son.
Also, Lelouch didn't kill Charles when Charles got erased, it was "God" who did that. All Lelouch did was REQUEST (not even geass) "God" to not stop the forward march of time, it was "god" who decided to answer by erasing Charles. Charles was already dissolving long before Lelouch says "begone", it had nothing to do with that.
Intentional ambiguity that was later obliterated by creators because they can't handle differing viewpoints. Literally what I was talking about with my final paragraph, with wishing they would just shut the fuck up and let people appreciate their story rather than feeling the need to write ambiguity into it, then tell people, "NO U WONG! HE NO DIE , HE PRETENDIN!" I also like how a lot of what you quoted was in the form of questions. It really sounds professional and absolute, just like that one guy who shared his OPINION about whether or not Lelouch should be dead on the record.
I could go into a million good reasons to not give Charles the not-actually-visible geass eye outline during that scene, starting with suspense, continuing with Lelouch not even knowing if he managed to reach his optical nerves with it, etc. It's like they're *trying* to break everything that made Code Geass enjoyable to talk about or rewatch.
No, wait, in fact, they are. They are doing that, not just trying, to sell a Code Geass AU.
Sure, it was God who did that when Lelouch used his Geass on God, and then informed Charles that it was, "Reality's Response," "So BEGONE NOW!" and Charles is erased on the, "NOW!" Telling me that was entirely for, um, effect, and and/or it's 'confirmed' that God wasn't influenced by Lelouch at all, and that Codes can't be transferred even if you kill someone with GOD'S POWER while they are in physical contact with you, is, well, antithetical to what the show states.
What do you think the purpose was to taking out his contact before angling his head up to speak at God? Why do you think he gained the Geass in his right eye afterwards? He *absolutely* Geassed God, and instead of demanding shit from him, he asked, just like with ~50% of the people he used Geass on. "Could you do me a favor?" "I could use..." Etc. Lelouch always worded his commands like that until the end.
"That completely obliterates the fan idea that you need to activate the code first"
So you choose to completely ignore C2 explaining how she got her code, and that she obviously died before it activated? Fair enough, but that's retarded!
Lelouch should have survived and a peace based on a lie won't hold true.
Thanks nice explanation but after hearing that the code is supposed to be transferred upon its possessor's death to the killer, Lelouch should have obtained it from his father ya? but then you have the author say he's ded so I'm assuming it's kind of a plot hole/miscalculation from his part i.e he wanted the mc to die from the start but he didn't consider the code part getting in the way so he just ignored it.
"the code is supposed to be transferred upon its possessor's death to the killer"
This is a very big mistake made by the English speaking fandom. The death of the former bearer has nothing to do wity code transfer. Even the anime says so. Charles got his code even though he never killed V.V. V.V. just succumbed to his injuries from battle because after losing the code he was a normal mortal again. People who were pushing the code theory narrative in the ENglish speaking fandom always tried to keep those facts from the anime under the rug.
The anime itself says that it's impossible for Lelouch to have the cde.
If you're interested, read this post which has all the info compiled: www.reddit.com/user/GeassedbyLelouch/comments/8hklfr/evaluating_code_theory_main_body_index/
When does the anime say Lelouch can't have a code and why? how did V2 lose his code and how is it obtained in the first place then?
Ty for the link I'll read the post but if you already have answers to these questions I'd appreciate it :)
The anime established the rule that you lose the geass when you get the code. This has applied to EVERYONE who ever has gotten the code: the nun, C.C., V.V., Charles. Charles even explicitly confirms this rule by saying "I have ganed a new power IN PLACE OF geass". And yet, Lelouch uses his geass long after his final confrontation with Charles, that means he cannot have a code. The idea that Lelouch is an exception to this rule is never brought up in the anime. Even the possibility that exceptions can exist is never suggested in any way in the anime, and there are no precedents. If it had been possible, they would have shown us, but they didn't. That means the idea that Lelouch has both a code and a geass is nothing more than fanfic which has nothing to do with the real anime's lore. Code activation is also not something which exists in the anime, I'll explain that below.
As for code transfers, we don't know a lot of things of how it works, but we do know somethings. We know that the death of the former bearer has nothing to do with the transfer because V.V. was still alive after Charles already got the code. V.V. was badly wounded and talking to C.C. while Charles already had the code and confronting Lelouch. We know that Charles already had the code because of Lelouch's failed geass on him. Yes, failed. When Lelouch tries to geass him, there's no nerves realigning scene and no red rings around Charles' eyes which ALWAYS happens when someone is geassed. That means Charles was already immune to geass and thus already had the code and already was immortal. Charles didn't die, he was faking it. This was even explicitly officially confirmed. (I'll paste that official statement below.) If Charles was already immune, he already had an active code, which means that codes are never not active which means codes do not require activation. As I said above, since code activation is not something that exists, Lelouch using his geass proves that it's impossible for him to have the code.
The show staff officially confirmed during a live commentary that Charles never was geassed and never died, he was faking it to toy with his son. Here's the reports on that:
パパんにギアス掛けるシーンも、「これギアス掛かってないのに死んだふりするんだよ」「息子を驚かせようと」「ルルーシュくんかわいそう」「これ一番ショックなタイミング計ってるよね」「絶対笑いこらえてるよ」って色々言われてて笑った。
Translation: About that scene Lelouch geass his dad I laughed because
they said like "He isn't geassed, just pretends he dies!" " He tries to
surprise his son!" "Poor Lelouch" "He tries to choose the most shocking
timing, doesn't he" "I'm sure he tries hard not to laugh"
コウジロウさん「この人、ギアスかかってない じゃないですか。よく我慢してますよね。こことか 絶対笑い堪えてますよ」
Translation: "He isn't under an influence form Geass, is he? He's good
with pretending, sure. I'm sure he tries his hardest not to laugh right
now."
He’s alive as the cart driver at the end of R2 lol when the writers say he’s dead they mean that the Lelouch as we know is dead because he has a new identity now
Yeah. I'm sure that's what they meant too.
Yep, Zero identity lives on. Lelouch is L.L. now.
JK Rowling never revealed any detailed of her unreleased to the directos and staff when making Harry Potter movies except for a specific cast member. This type of practice can be seen through many projects and productions where the author would generally never reveal secret details for it to not risk being leaked, except to trusted team.
Didn't they already confirmed Season 3 is an alternate timeline?
micah white i haven’t seen that anywhere
So basically he is dead but also alive in different timelines
He's dead in all the different timelines/universes.
The difference is that he'll stay dead in the original story because that story has ended.
He will be resurrected in the new universe from the movies. The sequel's name is "Lelouch of the Resurrection" after all. That was announced 2 years ago.
What i meant waa in the original story he died but in the new series hes going to be alive in one way or another...
I see. Yes that is correct.
He died in the movies too, the 3rd movie was released in Japan and made that clear. Since the sequel is called Resurrection, we kinda know how Lelouch will come back :p
I have little faith in a movie being able to make a more satisfying ending than Code Geass R2.
It's confirmed lelouch is alive, immortal and living happily with his wife cc😊
where was this confirmed and by who?
The 2 saddest moment in anime history that will never be beaten lelouches death and Nagisas death
Go watch gintama then
what are all animes in the intro?
This is just a hunch but maybe the director meant that Lelouch vi Britannia died and plain old Lelouch Lamperouge still lives.
This theory was pretty accurate after resurrection came out. Can’t wait for z of recapture, glad L2 is still the main character.
Didn't know LL is the main.. Where did u get the information?
1st of all
Cc is 100% in love with lelouch. This needs no interpretation.
2nd of all
The creator of code geass leaves this to 2 endings. 1 where lelouch bangs cc everyday in australia and 1 where lelouch is dead
Not true. Code Geass does *NOT* have an open ending. The show staff said people were free to interpret Lelouch's death as happy or sad, but not that people were fre to interpret his death itself. His death is set in stone because the anime makes it impossible for Lelouch to have the code as that would have violated the rules the anime itself established.
@@IsilionNELE even if lelouch has code or not there are rules that are violated in logic... so they can interpret it as they want. The ending scene is open to millions of interpretations
What logical rules are being violated? The anime istelf didn't violate anything.
Code Geass is a fictional world with established rules of what is possible and what isn't. Lelouch having a code would breach those rules, therefore he doesn't have the code.
While the ending is open to an infinite interpretations, canonically there is only one: Lelouch is dead and doesn't have the code. For example, people are free to see the anime as a fever dream of a dying Lelouch who got shot in the head in the very first episode, but that is not canon. There is only one canon, all the rest are headcanons which may or may not completely violate everything the anime tells us.
@@IsilionNELE if leliuch does mot have the code then who has it ? The code cannot just dissapear into oblivion...someone has to take it ... also what logic is broken by lelouch having code?pls explain me why he couldnt take the code when fighting charles
I'll take my multiple interpretations ending, no thank you@@IsilionNELE. There's no need to JKRowling the series to s#*t.
Well the new season 3 is not supposed to be mixed with the previous seasons, due to it being an alternate ending of sorts
The movies show us that Lelouch's fate is the same as in R2.
IsilionNELE yes, but alot was changed and the movies are a different universe with a different ending to lelouchs life
I've seen the movies, I know what was changed. You can't just wave things away with "a lot was changed". Everything concerning Lelouch's fate and his death and the Zero Requiem was identical.
Lelouch is obviously dead in both R2 and in the movies. R2 has ended forever and he will stay dead forever, but in the movies he will be brought back from the grave, hence the name "Resurrection"
IsilionNELE yea I didn't say that it was, I was trying to tell ppl that the main season and the new movies aren't meant to be mixed as in they're 2 different things. I'm not saying youre wrong
@Anime Balls Deep Great video but I have not understood one thing. The director said the ending was open to interpretation but at the same time the writer said leluch was dead. Could you explain me what happend ?
The director never said the ending was open, that's just a myth.
For 10 years the director has either confirmed Lelouch was dead or simply refused to answer the question (can't blame him, always the same question from people who didn't understand his work)
Then the movie was about to be released and for the first time in a decade he said "you decide" because he wasn't allowed to spoil the plot of the movie during the movie promotion. Then the movie showed us he was dead for real and that it was C.C. who literally resurrected his dead corpse. And after that the director rescinded his "you decide" comment by explaining that when they made the anime they never even considered the option of keeping Lelouch alive.
I don't care the Creator wanted to make Lelouch is dead or not the direction of the original anime make it ambiguously he alive or not. I believe with my own interpretation if he alive or not. Until they make an official season 3 that continue the original tv series that said Lelouch is officially dead then I don't care what they want or said outside the anime. Alternate stories is not cannon to the original tv series.
It's not just the creators' words, the anime itself makes it impossible for Lelouch to have a code. The anime made it very clear that everyone who gets a code loses the geass, and Lelouch used his geass until the very end.
wish CC and L would of done something b4 the anime ended i mean a min scene of him saying he lovers her or something ik that would be kinda corny but i feel like we all knew it was there but the ending was great i was fr crying when nunally was crying i dint care all i wanted to do was be with you and then the scene where he says he destoryed the world and created a new one was just perfect is charchter is a 10/10 but like the last half of s2 i rlly wanted sum cc and L sum to happen with them sucks he just kinda left her all alone and i still feel bad for sherly but overall show was great 10/10
The girl with green hair I forgot her name but I thank that she is the best girl in anime then it comes to looks
thank to that we all can be right in one universe he dead , in other universe he dead and then revived and in other he is immortal
I swear Lelouch isn't dead in the original ending.
I don't care what the producers say.
This is almost like fate with those different routes. If i understand this correct.
The movie : The Re;ssurection of Zero
If she had a kid with him and the kid is just his look alike, but maybe he see and talks too his dad, that's a interesting twist. But most likely not going too happen.