I was there as a Fire Fighter and Paramedic and they forcibly kept all the fire departments and medics from doing our jobs! Some of us were even "detained" for trying to honor our oaths!
This was something I never understood. The fire trucks were called more than 2 full minutes after the fire had engulfed three points of the structure, and arrived ten minutes later. But weren’t let through the checkpoint for another like 16 minutes? When it had engulfed the entire thing. Why?
So many things went wrong with this and it all could have been avoided. The way David found out was because a reporter figured out what was going to happen and was on his way there before the siege and got lost, so he flagged down a car and asked where mount Carmel was. The man asked him why he wanted to know and he told him about the siege. That man was one of the Branch Davidians and he went back and told Koresh what was going to happen. When the ATF found out that Koresh knew that they were coming (they had an agent on the inside who informed them) they decided to go through with it anyway even though the element of surprise was gone. Another major mistake with the media was when they were getting some of children out during the negotiations. They used the children to try to convince the parents to come out too and when a woman finally did come out, she was arrested and because the media reported on her arrest, the Branch Davidians found out and people stopped leaving. It was a mess from the beginning and it was all a complete failure
Completely agree. I actually went to the rebuilt church in 2001. Turned out Alex Johns part-funded the service house they built there. Not on the same spot but down toward to road entry
I remember this. They could have picked him up in town, or at the bar he frequented or driving down the road. This never had to be a siege. Tragic loss of life.
He also could have surrendered when he said he would when they allowed his sermon to be aired on a public broadcast. Yeah, the feds may have messed up, but every single death is on Koresh 100%
@@memorialled_zeppelin-warew1346 Then what were they to do when girls as young as 10 - 11 were being forced to have sex with him and won’t surrender? They already know they have guns and made grenades and were willing to use them. But no, don’t use tear gas. They were trying to get him to surrender.
@@memorialled_zeppelin-warew1346 Care to explain how they were to achieve that by not being shot at themselves? CS gas only causes your eyes, throat and lungs to burn and was the best option in hopes of getting them to surrender. Don’t forget we have the advantage of knowing what the outcome would be that day, not the FBI. It’s ridiculous to assume the government intentionally killed them just as much as it is to believe everything the government says. Everyone had a different perception of what was taking place and unless they could read each other’s mind they had no way of knowing what was about to happen. Yes, there are bad people inside the government, but there are also good ones just as there are evil civilians like Vernon Howell.
If people read the Bible themselves, Jesus said over and over, " For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.". It is so sad and disgusting...
Statism, left or right, is a coercive ideology and wrong both ways. Regardless of what wicked religion these people followed, they never fired until fires upon and did not deserve to be murdered for living differently than others.
@J B *You should read a Bible bc there's plenty of proof that God and Jesus are the same entity.* Ever hear of "The Holy Trinity"; ie. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? God is Father in Heaven; Jesus (aka "The Word") was God on Earth (in human form for 33 years); God is the Holy Spirit in internal spiritual form to Christians. Hundreds of years before the birth of Christ, prophet Isaiah foretold the coming of God's Son: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. *And he will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). - When the angel spoke to Joseph and announced the impending birth of Jesus, he alluded to Isaiah’s prophecy: "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel (‘God with us’)" (Matthew 1:23). _This didn't mean they were to name the baby Immanuel; _*_it meant that "God with us" was the baby’s identity._*_ Jesus was God coming in the flesh to dwell with man._ *- John 10:30 - "I and the Father are One".* We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason. He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. - John 14:6 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." *The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2).* A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death. - *John 1:1, 14 - “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh.”* _These verses clearly and explicitly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh._ - Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with His [God's] own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood in the form of crucifixion of Jesus; God in human flesh. Therefore, Jesus IS God. - Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. - Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). - In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” *Here The Father Himself refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.* Genesis 1.26 - “Let US (FATHER & SON) make mankind in OUR (FATHER & SON; SON CAME ON EARTH AS A MAN - Isaiah Isaiah 9:6)) image, in OUR (FATHER & SON) likeness, so that THEY [plural = Father & Son together] may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky ..." John 14:6 - Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life." "No-one comes to the Father except through me." _Christians venerate Jesus as God in human form only. Jesus took the form of God in the flesh for 33 years only, during his time on earth. He was sent to earth as the Word of God manifested in human flesh._ John 1 (KJV): 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:14 (KJV): "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." [This says, 'God is the Word, Jesus - as the Word made into flesh - was with God, and that Jesus IS God who lived amongst people. Thus, God and Jesus MUST be the same entity.] *Here is other scripture that shows Jesus was God:* - "And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."" (Matt. 3:16-17) - "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19) - Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30) - "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9) - "He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45) - "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." (Rom. 8:9) - "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20) - "And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God."" (Luke 1:35) - Jesus speaking to His disciples: "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." ... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him." (John 14:16-17, 23 refers to the triune nature of God).
The ATF did not know there was gasoline inside the complex. They only wanted people out of the building and were going to tear gas them. They were shooting because of the illegal stockpiling of guns including AK-47s. Koresh had a suicide wish for himself and his cult members.
@@lemsip207 Guns were bought legally, it is not against the law to purchase and own firearms, no matter what the gestapo says, you need to read the book, everything we have been told by the government and media has been a lie, imagine that, BTW the administration of the time was planning an assault weapon ban, every rifle that had a detachable magazine was on it, regardless of number of rounds held they were all banned, everyone who owned a Remington semiautomatic hunting rifle were violating it. What is sad is the fact the government killed those people, they had every opportunity to grab David as he was jogging daily past the house where they had their spy cameras, the jury was denied all video made by the government spies, it was said to have been missing, they were given only what the government wanted them to see to insure the outcome they wanted, a violation of our constitutional laws, we are no longer innocent till proven guilty, we are what the government says we are, nothing more, our rights are gone! You sound like a good serf, a good little sheep, living like a mushroom, in the dark surviving of a steady diet of bullshit!
You always need a healthy dose of skepticism in life, no matter who you're listening to, particularly "leaders", however you can't completely dismiss gvt...
@@postsingluarity6159 you mean if the cops grabbed him on his jog, his followers with him would get violent?? Get real, a small swat team could have handled that arrest, no problem!
@@postsingluarity6159 It's funny the conspiracy theories are coming true in the case of Waco and now look at what's happening right now with covid! The left is eating their words! Blindly following the government.
Exactly ...why didn’t FBI bring in pastors David used to listen to on radio when he was younger or any of the local pastors to talk about his religious views? This could of helped with negotiations and at least saved some lives.
They did and he was removed as being to friendly. The FBI used 19 negotiators so David could never establish much of a dialogue. The Branch Davidians had been there for 60 years before David got there and have rebuilt on the property.
@@edgodsall3740 why is that?? All those adults- they deserved to die in your mind? What for? For living different? Believing different? Following David? What crimes did they commit- What warranted their deaths? Please, do tell! Looks like somebody eats up whatever the media & government feeds them
Bottom line is the government failed with this one. No matter how you splice it, they failed to save those children, who, at no fault of their own, were victims of the cult. I think negotiators weren't aware that the leader is living in a non-logical reality, and they must work with the story in his head and not the ones in their own.
I think they were angry and wanted to hit back because of the loss of their friends..You only have to look at My Lai to realise humans can act totally out of character when at loggerheads with each other..❤
Let's not forget that Lon Horiuchi who was an FBI sniper here at Waco, was also the guy who shot and killed Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge.... WHILE SHE WAS HOLDING HER CILD IN HER ARMS.
Oh yes and though the feds didn’t fire a single round on April 19 (yeah, right!!!!!), there were shell casings left in the sniper nest where none other than the upstanding murderous bastard Horiuchi was stationed, firing in the back of the building lowing people down as they tried to flee the raging inferno! And Thibodeaux, you would have been shot had you had the misfortune of trying to exit through the actual remaining exit. The others had all been destroyed first thing that morning. The kids were all dead long before the fire. The tank pumping the CS gas in to the vault for 20 minutes, that took all the children out very effectively and very violently - and I believe this was carried out as planned, the slaughter of those kids, to torment Koresh in their final act of retaliation against him for the loss of the 4 atf and the 20 plus injured. Those kids died torturous deaths.
They targeted the children with that gas pumping it in for over 20 minutes straight, into an unventilated concrete room. The children were murdered torturously with that gas which becomes cyanide under some circumstances and those were present here. They died violently. And then their bodies were further demolished by plastic explosives detonation just above that concrete structure; the mushroom cloud of the explosion is blatantly evident in the footage of the fire. The bodies got so hot from that explosion that they amalgated and many were dismembered by the sheer force of impact from the explosion - for instance Koresh’s eldest son inside there, Cyrus age 8, was dismembered and his cause of death is lifted as smoke inhalation and charring but also listed is possible head trauma. Why? His head was never recovered as it was destroyed in the blast, so it couldn’t be ruled out that he didn’t have head trauma killing him. This is all so disgusting behavior of the godawful federal government and so inexcusable and unpardonable, absolutely unforgivable!
@@heatherbellamy596 I agree. I think the government were far too aggressive, most likely because 15 years earlier in the Jonestown massacre they murdered a congressman.
Where is LON HORIUCHI the FBI sniper that opened fire at Waco ? He is also the sniper that shot Vicki Weaver in the head while she was unarmed and holding her baby in her arms at Ruby Ridge. He was charged with murder by the Idaho state prosecutor but the Federal government gave him immunity from prosecution. SHAMEFUL
@@luxetveritas4633 It's called Statutory Rape and its a crime. 14 years old is not old enough to consent. As a person from the south, 18 is where the limit is, and everyone I know agrees with that.
@@luxetveritas4633 give it another 10 years. I’m sure there was lots of therapy and trauma. Just because you can’t “see” it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
And how do you negotiate with religious lunatics? A no win situation, which is what Koresch wanted.. could they have negotiated with Jim Jones? Or Donald trump?
@@glennarcher6 have you ever heard of the Jonestown massacre? 908 to 918 were killed following someone they truly believed loved them. If you haven’t heard about it I really recommend you look it up. Jim Jones really brainwashed all those people. Its easy to criticize from the outside looking in.
I was thinking the same thing. Funny how none of them thought about shooting up the sound truck with their guns. 51 days . That's not torture it's hell
it's an interesting tactic, drive them to the point of insanity so that it is impossible for them to make a rational decision. Yep drive them crazy then accuse them of being crazy. except for david he was nuttier than a shit house rat and a con man. They should have caught up to him on his own and gave him one behind the ear.
Did the same to the North Vietnamese or VC.. They were superstitious so we played the sounds of wandering spirits, moans, chains and wails, dying voices, voices in Vietnamese calling for their mothers, from boats rigged with loudspeakers throughout the night.. It was exactly the same tactic.
@@mrshelby4682 I'm Irish tell me about it...the EU doing it now. I haven't seen my family for 3 years. I book to go home for Paddy's day...shut down. Now til December..same s*** different people. Godbless everyone
@@eibhlinnichrualoai Yeah.. this 'pandemic' had such an effect as to change our criminal courts' disposition on jailing people. Not so long ago, they would lock you under the jail for possession of marijuana, now, they release kids onto house arrest who suffer from escalating methamphetamine addictions, and eventually like my only brother did this past February, they get themselves killed.. My brother, was 25, shot 3 times for having an unloaded handgun in his possession, died in a gas station parking lot surrounded by strangers.. they'd arrested and put him on house arrest, 3 times in the last year and a half, and each time they never even came to check up on him after he cut the bracelet.. He was hard headed, but you only really come to realize how much of your life you've wasted in your late 20's..... i'm 32 myself. Spent half my life trying to reach my little brother, he would listen but was, independent.. No real danger to anyone but himself. I told him "don't go and get yourself killed, little brother, one day it will be just you and I left, and I'm gonna need you.. we're gonna need each other. You don't need 'friends'.. you don't need 'money', if you have to risk it all to get it.. just stick around and you never know what the tide might bring.. find yourself back in a smoking lounge one day with ice in your glass.." ... It takes a village though, and we got ourselves a deathly ill village, right now.. and not because of the 'rona. Because of the complacency and corruption we've allowed to take hold, in the world. God be with you as well.. with us all.
@@douglasrowland3722 I distinctly remember seeing the documentary 'Rules of Engagement', and in one scene, there is a sign apparently painted onto or hung on the building by the occupants, which read, "Rodney King: we understand". but so few people have seen the film, let alone that briefly shown slogan, that a lot of you have no idea what I'm talking about (I am not referring to the movie of the same title, w/ actors, which has a story unrelated to Waco).
No, the gov't didn't blow it, JESUS blew it for creating such an insane religion that people could interpret it's insane teachings in such incredibly bizarre ways.
@@dude999642 The government DEFINITELY blew it. All parties are wrong here. Koresh broke the laws, but there was NO reason for the government to act the way they did. End of story
@Toma Rogers From my understanding, when this country was founded, the founding fathers put in the Constitution that the Government had >NO right< to dictate How people worshiped! That's why they fled England to begin with!
@@owenmclain3327 there's no laws saying people can't own multiple firearms, nor a law against living in the sticks. The same jerks that murdered the Weavers at Ruby Ridge are the ones that were opening fire at Waco.
They can call him what they want, he may have been the Devil incarnate..... fact is, he went jogging most days down the road, he went into town regularly, they could have apprehended him on any of those days without incident. They chose to create this fiasco. The government soldiers who attacked that doomed compound are responsible for those childrens' deaths, they knew they would not take him alive. It could have been done in a civilized way and they chose to ignore that route.
Yep they wanted their propaganda piece of saving lots of kids while recovering lots of illegal guns - they wanted to put on a show because at that time there was talk of dismantling the atf especially after the botched Ruby Ridge fiaco!
Government used sleep deprivation tactics including shining spotlights on them and playing audio of rabbits being killed...Imagine doing that to innocent kids and women and acting like it's the right thing
And they drove tanks into the building, and filled it up with flammable CS gas. In nearly every major instance where this has been used, fire and deaths, are the result. The tanks crushing through parts of the buildings blocked off exits to the room where many of the women and children were, it was then filled with cs gas, killing many, those that survived were burned alive. This is what the authorities did.
If the Israelis try to play the freaky sound to get me out cause my parents are looking for me, it would be real cool if that it sounded like Godzilla. Better yet, Baltan from Ultraman.
I was babysitting the morning the FBI made the final attack. It sure looked like they started the fire with that tank that was poking into the building. The person I was sitting for and I watched with horror as the fire broke out and we watched a few people come out and be immediately arrested. The part that is the worst to me is that Koresh was known by the FBI to make trips into Waco every day either by himself or with one or two other people. They should have arrested him then, rather than attack the compound, which fed into the paranoid belief of the members that they were going to be attacked by the govt. There was no reason for the attack on the compound, except the ATF wanted to show militia groups, which were quite prominant then, that the govt was not going to put up with the illegal gun sales and collection. If they had arrested him away from the compound, the followers would have been lost without him. THAT was the govt's big mistake.
"They should have arrested him then, rather than attack the compound, which fed into the paranoid belief of the members that they were going to be attacked by the govt." Not such a paranoid belief after all, was it?
Its been proven that armoured vehicle did NOT start the fire. There was extensive investigations and you can read it yourself. Many areas were lit by the occupants called "points of origin", there is an audio recording of david ordering them to start the fires and lab tests and sniffer dogs were used to identify liquid accelerants that were used. Also, there WAS a reason to raid the compound. If you nab david externally and the rest of the religious lunatics hear about it, the fear he has been drumming into them is confirmed regardless, then you have an entire building of paranoid, armed lunatics WAITING for the police. The point is to surprise raid and grab david and the illegal weapons they had been PURPOSFULLY stockpiling to attack police should they come. david KNEW they would come eventually once they found out about the kids he was molesting among other things. He was a maniac, and his brainwashed idiots were not much better. The gun fight and the ending fire were PRE PLANNED by david and some of his most devoted followers. Was it handled perfectly? no. But how exactly do you treat a bunch of brainwashed, paranoid religious maniacs who are sitting on a stockpile of guns and have already shot and killed police? Most of what people think could have been done better is pure hindsight, and usually based on ignorance of details.
@@jkenwell Not at all. They feared an army coming to take them and then an army came took them. The government really screwed this one up beyond belief.
Those "little militia groups" weren't illegal. They are very legal and it's the constitutional right of the people t to form militia groups of the need arises, particularly against a tyrannical government. Also, some of their weapons may have been illegally converted, but they weren't themselves illegal at all. This was the government showing US, the American people, what they would do if we put a toe out of line, legal or illegal, and we should all be enraged by it, and forever defiant against it. Freedom and liberty are precious values that are hard won, and once they are given up to a governing body or political establishment, they WILL NOT be returned for any reason. Not without a fight.
Yes the winners write history but David did get some amazing words on. True to his word David started writing the meaning to the 7 seals. They agreed to let him finish it but like their past pattern they burned them alive instead. He did finish the first seal before he died and you can read it on line. The poem is amazing and it speaks volumes for David koresh. Made me wonder if he could talk to gods. LOL
yeah... youre ignorant to the details like most others. It was completely proven that the fires were started by the occupants. There are audio recordings of david ordering his subordinates to start the fires. There were video, lab tests and sniffer dogs that identified multiple origin points where they started the fires throughout the building and liquid accelerants were used. This is all confirmed. you can go find the reports yourself and read it. Remember, david brainwashed his idiot followers to prepare for the police raid he KNEW was coming. He was kiddy fiddling, buying and selling illegal weapons and stockpiling them specifically to kill police when they eventually came for him. The fire was PRE PLANNED by the religious maniacs as a last escape. Think about the stupidity of the people who followed him. Men letting him root their own wives and daughters to father children. Could things have been handled better by police? perhaps, but only through the lens of hindsight. How were the police to know this guy was so insane he had prepared a mass suicide for everyone to escape justice?
@@sjb3460 While I agree with your comment, CS gas training in Basic Training was brutal, but have you or anybody on this comment thread read the Danforth report, the governments final statement on this debacle. Their claim is no CS gas was used. Where did they come up with that?
@@sjb3460 No need for the repeat spraying or spraing paint remover in to the eyes (Paint remover/paint stripper (Have you gone nutz?). A person can just teast with a fresh chilli. Just crush a little with the fingers. Wipe off excess juice and rub an eye a little. The idea is a tiny amout for a managible effect. Your paint stripper is not recommended. Not at all. Just a tiny dab will usully result in temporary sight impairment. Wash off with plenty cool or cold water if need be.
@@sjb3460 Sam, going through training on the use of this gas, we were repeatedly warned not to use it on children or senior citizens, with compromised lungs (COPD etc.), could kill
While on long TDY to Waco in 04/05, I rode out to the Branch Davidian compound. There were still people there in the Church. The foundation of the building that burned was still there long since filled in with water. The bus was still there. They had planted trees for the dead. A Father Time looking fellow came out of the Church and talked to us for a couple of minutes and we left. He was very welcoming and nice. I assumed he just wanted to make sure we weren't doing any shenanigans.
1) The Dividians didn't break any gun laws as the ATF alleged in their warrant. 2) ATF shot first and The Dividians simply defended themselves. 3) Koresh and the children didn't die in the fire. 4) Koresh and the children were shot to death by ATF to avenge the 4 slain ATF officers.
The authorities didn't really give much indication that they intended to be fair and honest if David tried to have any dealings with them. They DID have opportunities to arrest him: been said.
The FBI knew that CS tear gas is for use outside against adult rioters. Not for indoor use not against babies and children at four times the concentration recommended by the manufacturer for outdoor use.
Clyde must have watched the documentary before this video as i did. I would like to here from the so called UPS driver that discovered the handgranades that led to all this i dont believe he exist FBI is bullshitting .
CS gas is hell they hit us with it in basic at ft.jackson it truly burns and irritates like crazy. Anything u touch if your hands are exposed to it burns too.
Couldn't finish watching this. Such a one-way story of how great and concerned and heroic the FBI were. And the smear campaign against Koresh then and now is never ending. I don't know what Koresh was like but I know what the FBI and Media are like. Also, such a smear on the 7th Day Adventists. I've known a lot of Adventists and not one is a cult member but upstanding citizens sharing this society with others who do not think like them with compassion and kindness.
History tells a very mixed story. I heard testimony that he regularly went jogging outside of the compound. There were suspicions about the government's tactics even as it was unfolding. The best people to ask are the survivors.
Yes absolutely… you can compare and contrast the survivors of Waco and Jonestown, Jonestown survivors being very negative about Jones, Waco survivors definitely not always completely loving towards David but definitely not blaming him for what happened and overall having a more positive perception
Did the ones that were, the ones that did that... (The fbi and tier gas/shoot at the people) Go to jail? No because they can get away with so much shit, Yet when a guy tries to kill himself (I'm saying guy cause I'm a guy) He goes to jail for suicide attempted instead of getting mental help.
At one point no one was allowed to come out. They would have been shot on sight. The fake mainstream media told that they refused to come out. The truth is that they were kept imprisoned
A member in another interview said he heard a male voice from inside the house say to light the gas that another male had already doused the floors with.
It's true in the original video you can see the tank smashing the inside of the building then fire shooting from the tank I'm not on david keresh side he was wrong but so was the fbi booth sides got those kids killed.
If you don't know that child marriage, while vile in my opinion, with parental consent is completely legal in al but a handful of states (even today) then you need to brush up your reading list.
The Asain woman is speaking like she was on the outside and she knew what he was up to. She was a follower and was sucked right in herself. Take responsibility !
@@timmekaamerson147 The ATF were there first. Supposedly they sprayed the dogs with fire extinguisher. As we have seen in recent days law enforcement shoot dogs on a regular basis. Those shots to kill the dogs probably caused the Davidians to fire.
There is multiple people who were actually there ATF, FBI, branch davidians and others from all sides that have said what actually happened. All pointing fingers at atf firing first. If you really can look at all the facts and think your government didn’t do wrong that just shows how brainwashed they have society. The government is the worst and biggest gang in recorded history.
Ive seen a lot of Waco documentaries and different perspectives with many names reappearing (Clive Doyle, Byron Sage, David Thibz) Never seen Dana Okimoto before.
IF he was guilty, great; he got what he deserved. The only and MAJOR issues were: 1) He was not given the opportunity for a trial in a court of law. 2) He was (allegedly) targeted for an assassination as opposed to legal detention and a trial. 3) many innocent men, women and children were shot at, gassed, and trapped in a building that was demolished with explosives and raging fires. They were shot at anytime they were seen attempting to escape the demolition and fires.
So, the feds were shocked at Koresh buying and selling guns? The ATF SOLD him a federal firearms license so he could legally sell guns. CS "gas" isn't a gas at all. It's a finely powdered chemical irritant dissolved in Acetone, and relies upon the high volatility of the Acetone to quickly evaporate into the air and dry the powder so it can be carried on the slightest changes in air currents within the building. The flash bang grenades that FBI launched into the buildings after detonating the CS grenades would have ignited the very air within those buildings. FBI had to know this would happen and deliberately allowed every man, woman and child burn to death in retaliation for the deaths of 4 ATF agents. Fun fact: the defense contended that the agents may have accidentally shot one another, and asked to examine the bullets removed from their bodies. ATF agents were using a 10mm "cookie cutter" bullet that was custom built by US Govt armories, and unavailable to civilians. At the request of prosecutors, the judge refused the request.
@@eaglesfan226 I've not heard this--wasn't in any news stories at the time. It was reported that Koresh was shot in the abdomen when ATF officers came to the door, and accidentally discharged one of their weapons...
Technically they made humanity a favor, was it their fault that his followers ere brainless zombies? I'm just sad for the kids who had no word neither ability or capacity to decide. Think that they had weapons and this was a cult of braiwashed people in hands of lunatic, FBI can't read mind neither see the future. For all they knew the lunatic one day could have snaped out like in Jonestown and said take this weapons and go to that city and start killing the ''ufaitfull''. I just don't get why they had to do it that day and maybe stop and think about another plan to get him without casualities, were they pressured to get him?
@@LifeInPink999 So you say kill all people you do not agree with ? Who cares if innocent children goes down the drain, you do not like them, so kill them all. I think he should have been locked up for grooming and making young girls pregnant, not make him a martyr.
@@LifeInPink999 The prosecutor would not prosecute the case against Koresh UNLESS the warrant was served with force. They didn't have to do this. Koresh went in to town frequently, and jogged in front of the ATF surveillance house across the street almost daily. Koresh had invited the ATF to the their home to examine the firearms and the legal documents they had to prove their legitimacy. And I too feel bad for the kids. Many of whom succumbed to CS gas pumped into an enclosed space that was legally only allowed to be used on adults (not children) in an outdoor (not indoor) environments. All praise to the FBI and ATF though, right?
From what I heard, Koresh went for a walk every evening, and also drove into town to buy things. They should have kept surveillance on him and arrested him outside the home. I'm sure they later realized this after several of their agents and people inside the cult building were killed.
What’s wrong with this comment section? This man claimed he was Jesus! He’s an evil conman. Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheeps clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:15
I wouldn’t blame the ATF directly. I’d blame the system. Not that many people find a career for the right reason. Look at Israel. They say they’re defending their country from the Hamas, except they kill unarmed Palestinians. The only difference between Israel and our government is we don’t have conscription anymore.
Yeah, Koresh had NOTHING to do with it. Got it. Next time there's a f*cking cultist rapist pedophile, we'll all know you're on the side of the rapist pedophile. Thanks for identifying yourself as an enemy of kids and the innocents.
When someone says, "I am the Son of God"..., that's a clue to run. Amazing how many people follow folks like him, and are willing to die for HIS beliefs....
The mother who talks about how she abused her child....honestly I can't feel anything but disgust for her beating her infant ...she shouldn't have custody of a child she was willing to sacrifice to the devil
FluxFist she was physically disciplining a 6-month old infant. That's abuse. An infant that age has zero comprehension of right/wrong and no ability to make a decision. Physical discipline is just wrong at that age.
@@fluxfist6920 a spanking is whatever, sure, a little young but you can excuse the naïvety. Beating the kid until he bleeds is another story. You know how hard you have to _paddle_ someone to make them bleed? What she did has nothing to do with the other Davidians, she was just weirdly aggressive towards her kids.
This is why the Lord Jesus said be not deceived!!! Many will come and say i am the Christ believe it NOT!!! These people that were deceived were ignorant of what the Bible said, and that’s why it’s so important to actually read the Bible for yourself!!
@@Joleyn-Joy this whole thing was just police finding an excuse to use their toys - he was no more of a nutcase than the rest of you who worship the _real_ fake eye in the sky
This should always be looked at by law enforcement, as a way of how NOT to do it! They had several opportunities to arrest Koresh in town, and we're made aware of it and given the chance again before all this. But no! The cops wanted a big show and have a big dramatic takedown, but what they got was a showdown instead and didn't count on that or them being able to shoot pretty good.
This was not about arresting him . This was a message to Americans. The message was that the US government will murder you and your children if you step out of line
These are great documentaries I've seen a bunch of them. I love the way they tell the story, go back in time and intertwine with current and interviews. I remember this happening.
my husband knew Vernon Howell when he was a teenager..they went to a dairy queen to eat, "david' had his Bible and guitar with him, he sat the guitar outside on a newspaper stand, he was arrogant saying it was safe, well it was stolen and vernon went into a rage. Also the first girlfriend breakup drove him even more crazed...he constantly berated people with the Word of God with a angry demeanor....he was a very volatile and could be considered a danger. My husband told vernon's mother about how unstable he was...but it feel on deaf ears, she was his mother and protective of him but she had fear too. this was in Saxy, Tx..just outside of Dallas. When the news broke on TV about Waco.....my husband wasn't shocked, he even thought about talking to the Atf/fbi to offer any help.....We had just had our first child...I said stay away from this...we prayed for those people to Please send out the all the children....but My husband knew early on that this wasnt going to end well. It was heartbreaking, and strange to see this guy go on for days...on TV day after day. This guy was a danger from the get go. A control freak and a fraud. yes he could resight the Bible at will, even as a young teen he did it constantly.
This sounds so much more realistic than what all these people are trying to portray. The type of guy that would sleep with a 70 year old woman, literally take the wives of other men in his cult, have 12 children with multiple women at the same time is not someone that's stable. It's a sign of a very disturbed man. Yet this comment section just focuses on how the big bad govt was picking on the poor innocent Christian man.
@@ispartacus1337 not poor, innocent, not Christian. When you only read out of Revelations and twist the Bible to fit a narrative of control over others there isn’t a chance in the world he could, would, or should be qualified in the category of Christianity
He was raping children! Raping children so young that the act tore their flesh. The parents watched. The government did exactly what they needed to do -- who knew that these people were so crazy that they'd let their children burn alive? Timothy McVeigh died for child rape -- he is THE poster child for child rape.
I had no idea it went down like this. I'm so sad for all those people, all those innocent children. This is disgusting. The FBI were totally in the wrong.
It’s their fault, this is how rule of law works. When the ATF gets a court approved search warrant and goes to execute the warrant and you shoot at them all bets are off. You are probably going to die. And ontop of that they had 51days of chances to surrender and then started the fire themselves 😂 make it make sense how I should feel bad for these idiots
"we're the ATF the FBI, we're the good guys, we're here to protect and save the women and children" O how will you do that? "By riddling the place where they live with automatic weapon fire, then setting them on fire" wonderful idea, anyone going to be held accountable for how things turned out? No very sad, it didn't need to be this way
I don't feel sorry for him he was a literal pedo I can't understand why Americans defend him. Sure the authorities aren't innocent but he definitely wasn't.
How the ATF and the FBI could drive tanks into the heart of a structure that contains dozens of kids is mind-boggling. Even the tear gas was a bad idea. They acted like there were no kids in there at all.
@BLAX- STACCZ Nobody is saying they weren't engaging in criminal activity, and they definitely put those kids in harms way, but it was the Feds that took the actions that killed them, not the Branch Davidians. The Feds were the ones that sealed the fates of those innocents. And it's not like they didn't have all the information, they absolutely did yet they still made these horrendous decisions. Again, it's mind boggling.
And how would they NOT put them in harms way exactly?? You do realise that was their home. Nobody is going to separate themselves from their kids at home. You're a clown. Plain and simple@@BLAX832
@@markmitchell450 I agree 100%. Love them or Hate them, they did this country a huge favor by standing up to Government aggression. It definitely made a statement and has awaken the Country
@@JoshuaMixson9696 And since no one stood up for them, look at the mess this country is in because of these same dark ones who do nothing but destroy. All those participating will go down with them!
@@flparrotz1The ATF pulls up and starts shooting the dogs without warning. They botched that entire operation. They could have grabbed him up on a morning jog or a trip to town and had him separate from the weapons and compound but for some reason ATF wanted to show America that they don’t need to ask.
This was another example of an atrocity made possible by a blind belief in religion. The sad thing is, religion causes these events to happen all over the world.
Yeah, well the target of Ruby Ridge was a former Green Beret, and that attack had nothing to do with Religion. Koresh was no angel, but religion was just a convenient scapegoat at Waco. Easy to paint the target as a crazy messiah/cultist who may 'kill the hostages' so the agents could do as they may. This speaks more about a power-tripping Federal agency that's willing to kill you to make the point that THEY are in control. Oswald, My Lai, Waco...It stuns me how quickly people will STILL believe the government narrative no matter how many times they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
A monster, as in a true cult leader or dictator, doesn't allow his followers to leave their assigned areas. They are cut off from the outside world, not able to leave to visit family or have jobs.
@@voiceofreason1208 he let people come and go as they wanted. He even let one of the FBI agents in to see what life was like in there. After that the FBI agent no longer supported the hostile position the government took.
@Ron Mexico i think they saying he is a monster bc he had sexual relationships with children & if a fam showed up under his roof & he thought the wife beautiful he would take her for himself
Yes, Koresh was a psychopath and should've been arrested for what he was doing. But make no mistake, the FBI is the reason those women and children died. The FBI has blood on their hands. Why are these men behind uniforms able to go scot-free after clearly committing mass murder of innocent people? You only had to arrest one guy, but you murdered 21 children along with taking other innocent lives in the process. I'm sure Koresh didn't live inside his compound 24/7 since he had to go outside for food and essentials. So, being the FBI or someone with half a brain cell, you could've surveilled him to find out his routine visits and exits from his compound, and then planned to arrest him outside of his compound, thereby not placing anyone's life in danger. But because you guys are highly sophisticated, you decided to emulate your ATF buddies by carrying out another siege after knowing they already failed in their lame attempt. Well done! You guys are truly inspirational.
I think the Davidians were a bit weird but harmless. The FBI could have arrested Koresh and questioned him away from the compound. They acted aggressively from the first moment they got the warrant to know at the door, killing the dogs. Shooting through the roof and shooting the water supply up. They threatened the mothers that even if they gave themselves up they would never see their kids again. Playing noise around the clock to deprive the Davidians of sleep and eventually torching the building after using military grade tear gas on everyone inside. This was evil, premeditated, and carried out with the full knowledge of the Clinton regime. The worst thing is, they will do this sort of stuff again, and probably on a much bigger scale next time.
@@smellycat264 The biggest problem with this issue, it happened 30 years ago, which means there is a whole generation of people who either weren't alive then, or if alive, weren't old enough to understand what was going on. So there are a lot of people who never saw the interview with the local sheriff who explained what was going on. One morning after a large group of men left the house, as they always did, to go to jobs in the surrounding community, a large group of ATF agents surrounded the house. Agents at the rear of the house found where families living in the house, kept their family dogs, and started shooting the dogs. Agents at the front of the house, hearing gunfire, started blindly shooting at the house, as did a group of agents in a helicopter hovering over the house. After a failed attempt to 911 to try to stop agents shooting at their house, they armed themselves, started shooting back. The whole 51 day stand off was the result of the people in the house simply wanting someone not affiliated with the feds to come in and look at evidence they had that they had not started the shooting. Local sheriff knew these people, they knew him, and he tried for weeks to get the feds to let him go in and see what evidence they had, but was denied. Which meant, if they had been allowed to survive, decades in jail.
They gambled that the parents would do whatever they could to save their children and they were horribly mistaken. You don't make these kind calculations and bank on the lives of children no excuse for gambling with the lives of that many children. This did not have to go down like it did.
Normal parents would save their children. The problem is that a these brain washed parents would much rather watch their children die in flames than surrender. Koresh is still as much to blame for this outcome.
theyre so brainwashed into thinking that david was the next messiah of some sort that their children's lives was second . so sad. im for christ above all but david seemed like a confused sick individual twisting the bible to misguided all of them
What they didn't mention in this documentary was that the government had an undercover agent in the cult. Have to wonder why they didn't get any info on how fanatical they really were once he was discovered by the Davidians and told to leave.
The newest mini series about this explains how the head ATF guy didn’t want to negotiate basically all the innocent people that died their blood is on his hands. The media as a teen wanted you to believe a narrative even as a teen I knew this wasn’t right. Evils of government that will forever go unpunished.
They " Banked" on parental instincts from people whom wholeheartedly believes David was a prophet. That makes as much sense as the branch dividens believing David is a prophet. The human mind is incredible and weak all at the same time.
@@colleenfrank1678 .. that is sick. Clearly your cousin was giving herself up early in life and did not care about respecting family or who she hurt. Where on David's case is was intrapment of parents and children prior to David having his way while using the Bible as a weapon to do it. Sorry it happened to you. Your cousins parents should of stopped it period.
He's just trying to hit it.. and he doesn't want anything that's been ran through. He's better than that. And around 15 is the most naive and.. budding a chick will be. Easily manipulated. 🤣 That's the mindset of these guys anyways
Those draconian authority was now no more - including the F B I I'm so glad... It's so disgusting the ways they handling such case with children and woman all in side. To me they used those people as a practising targets! So SICK!
The only thing these people were guilty of, was following a wicked, false religion and even then, they have the right to practice whatever they believe. This was a live fire training exercise for the powers that shouldn't be, end of story. The allegations of child abuse were thoroughly investigated and found to be baseless. And, though I find it vile, even the child marriage aspect is a non actor, as in all but, I believe, seven states, child marriage, with parental consent is actually legal in the US. This was a knock warrant. They knocked with automatic gunfire and got the fight they were looking for. Anyone who thinks they should have just "obeyed", needs to rethink things. Ruby Ridge, Waco and OKC were events to demonize those who are deemed "anti government". Funny, because, even though I am completely non political, an anarchist actually, the founding fathers that so many of you statists love, were "anti government" too. They stood against the "authority" of the crown. Just remember, for those cheering this....what happens when that government that you say they should have just obeyed, shows up with their mraps and militarized police, because something YOU believe is now deemed "illegal"? It CAN and WILL happen people.
Wait. The adults watched as Vernon raped children. Children who were so young that it is considered pedophilia. The adults watched and knew and probably heard the whimpers and cries as Vernon tore into them. It is good that the adults died. No empathy for any of the adults. It is unfortunate about the children, but they finally found the sweet release of not being CONTINUOUSLY raped by a paranoid/delusional/moron. Vernon was not very bright -- his nickname throughout his childhood was "Retardo".
amazing, and after all these years, most comments here speak louder than the words of david, who rightfully warned us about the army of babylon, still rolling into our homes every day...
Absolutely the old government likes to control us,and if not well you get Waco or RubyRidge death!!They don't want us armed and living in compounds,to hard to round us up.
@@rkzinczy Exactly. Some people laugh in terrible situations that they didn't cause but are a part of because their brain can't handle the information provided. It's like people can't help it sometimes and an emotion whether or not appropriate comes out.
Stories like these are big reasons why im afraid of religion's effect on people. The level of control that was held over those people is terrifying. You can make anyone do anything if you make them believe in it enough. Absolutely terrifying.
While cults express purpose is to bring you CLOSER to God......Their very operation puts you farther FROM God and sanity....!!...I call this The Diametric Parallel......! A Diametric Parallel is when something LOOKS LIKE what it ''allegedly'' is....but close scrutiny....reveals defect and ERROR...to the point that you see that the cults function is SELF-CONTRADICTORY !!!!!
I was there as a Fire Fighter and Paramedic and they forcibly kept all the fire departments and medics from doing our jobs! Some of us were even "detained" for trying to honor our oaths!
My best friend died there. I will never forget getting told she was died. She was there cause of her parents
@@handysbabygurl so sad may your friend rip and God give you peace
Rescue captain Bob that is so sad and messed up
I'm sorry you have to live with that but bringing out the truth will help, maybe you were there so the truth COULD BE TOLD.
This was something I never understood. The fire trucks were called more than 2 full minutes after the fire had engulfed three points of the structure, and arrived ten minutes later. But weren’t let through the checkpoint for another like 16 minutes? When it had engulfed the entire thing. Why?
So many things went wrong with this and it all could have been avoided. The way David found out was because a reporter figured out what was going to happen and was on his way there before the siege and got lost, so he flagged down a car and asked where mount Carmel was. The man asked him why he wanted to know and he told him about the siege. That man was one of the Branch Davidians and he went back and told Koresh what was going to happen. When the ATF found out that Koresh knew that they were coming (they had an agent on the inside who informed them) they decided to go through with it anyway even though the element of surprise was gone. Another major mistake with the media was when they were getting some of children out during the negotiations. They used the children to try to convince the parents to come out too and when a woman finally did come out, she was arrested and because the media reported on her arrest, the Branch Davidians found out and people stopped leaving. It was a mess from the beginning and it was all a complete failure
The mother is the main cause of his downfall. She is crazy !
this ENTIRE thing could have and SHOULD have been handled so differently
Completely agree. I actually went to the rebuilt church in 2001. Turned out Alex Johns part-funded the service house they built there. Not on the same spot but down toward to road entry
@@potterj09 ppm
Oh well. That's what happens when you associate with psychopaths
tanya-ann alexander-after all the botched fbi gestapo attacts that have plague the fbi since its inception, this shouldnt be a surprise to anyone.
.... by Koresh.
I agree.
I remember this. They could have picked him up in town, or at the bar he frequented or driving down the road. This never had to be a siege. Tragic loss of life.
Arresting David was not why they' were there in Texas. They were there simply to stage a dog .and pony show to show the ATF was still relevant
no a good act to shoot the dog before they go to the door.
Rem it very well too..his is a bunch of be..what about first 50 days..they never had kill all these people
You watch too much TV
He also could have surrendered when he said he would when they allowed his sermon to be aired on a public broadcast. Yeah, the feds may have messed up, but every single death is on Koresh 100%
Whether Koresh was crazy or not, the way the FBI handled it was perverted
Yeah gassing a building full of babies and children is a whole new low.
@@memorialled_zeppelin-warew1346 Then what were they to do when girls as young as 10 - 11 were being forced to have sex with him and won’t surrender? They already know they have guns and made grenades and were willing to use them. But no, don’t use tear gas. They were trying to get him to surrender.
@@USMC_Matt0351 kill him not the innocent children
@@memorialled_zeppelin-warew1346 Care to explain how they were to achieve that by not being shot at themselves? CS gas only causes your eyes, throat and lungs to burn and was the best option in hopes of getting them to surrender. Don’t forget we have the advantage of knowing what the outcome would be that day, not the FBI. It’s ridiculous to assume the government intentionally killed them just as much as it is to believe everything the government says. Everyone had a different perception of what was taking place and unless they could read each other’s mind they had no way of knowing what was about to happen. Yes, there are bad people inside the government, but there are also good ones just as there are evil civilians like Vernon Howell.
@@USMC_Matt0351 ... They had plenty of opportunities they didn't have to go in like ww3. Local sherriff was a friend. They're morons
If people read the Bible themselves, Jesus said over and over, "
For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.". It is so sad and disgusting...
Who are we to say he wasn't the voice of christ??
@@pghudd sane people lmao
Statism, left or right, is a coercive ideology and wrong both ways. Regardless of what wicked religion these people followed, they never fired until fires upon and did not deserve to be murdered for living differently than others.
Be careful of what you read!
@J B
*You should read a Bible bc there's plenty of proof that God and Jesus are the same entity.* Ever hear of "The Holy Trinity"; ie. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit?
God is Father in Heaven; Jesus (aka "The Word") was God on Earth (in human form for 33 years); God is the Holy Spirit in internal spiritual form to Christians.
Hundreds of years before the birth of Christ, prophet Isaiah foretold the coming of God's Son: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. *And he will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).
- When the angel spoke to Joseph and announced the impending birth of Jesus, he alluded to Isaiah’s prophecy: "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel (‘God with us’)" (Matthew 1:23). _This didn't mean they were to name the baby Immanuel; _*_it meant that "God with us" was the baby’s identity._*_ Jesus was God coming in the flesh to dwell with man._
*- John 10:30 - "I and the Father are One".* We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason. He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence.
- John 14:6 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
*The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2).* A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
- *John 1:1, 14 - “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh.”*
_These verses clearly and explicitly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh._
- Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with His [God's] own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood in the form of crucifixion of Jesus; God in human flesh. Therefore, Jesus IS God.
- Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him.
- Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1).
- In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’”
*Here The Father Himself refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.*
Genesis 1.26 - “Let US (FATHER & SON) make mankind in OUR (FATHER & SON; SON CAME ON EARTH AS A MAN - Isaiah Isaiah 9:6)) image, in OUR (FATHER & SON) likeness, so that THEY [plural = Father & Son together] may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky ..."
John 14:6 - Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life." "No-one comes to the Father except through me."
_Christians venerate Jesus as God in human form only. Jesus took the form of God in the flesh for 33 years only, during his time on earth. He was sent to earth as the Word of God manifested in human flesh._
John 1 (KJV): 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God."
John 1:14 (KJV): "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
[This says, 'God is the Word, Jesus - as the Word made into flesh - was with God, and that Jesus IS God who lived amongst people. Thus, God and Jesus MUST be the same entity.]
*Here is other scripture that shows Jesus was God:*
- "And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."" (Matt. 3:16-17)
- "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)
- Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)
- "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)
- "He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)
- "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." (Rom. 8:9)
- "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)
- "And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God."" (Luke 1:35)
- Jesus speaking to His disciples: "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." ... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him." (John 14:16-17, 23 refers to the triune nature of God).
You could have arrested David when he was jogging by himself but you decided to destroy everybody in that fire
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@Jerry Lund How did you know I saw him?
@@supermichaelssecondchannel4342 The shop owners all witnessed it, its on record!
The ATF did not know there was gasoline inside the complex. They only wanted people out of the building and were going to tear gas them. They were shooting because of the illegal stockpiling of guns including AK-47s. Koresh had a suicide wish for himself and his cult members.
@@lemsip207 Guns were bought legally, it is not against the law to purchase and own firearms, no matter what the gestapo says, you need to read the book, everything we have been told by the government and media has been a lie, imagine that, BTW the administration of the time was planning an assault weapon ban, every rifle that had a detachable magazine was on it, regardless of number of rounds held they were all banned, everyone who owned a Remington semiautomatic hunting rifle were violating it. What is sad is the fact the government killed those people, they had every opportunity to grab David as he was jogging daily past the house where they had their spy cameras, the jury was denied all video made by the government spies, it was said to have been missing, they were given only what the government wanted them to see to insure the outcome they wanted, a violation of our constitutional laws, we are no longer innocent till proven guilty, we are what the government says we are, nothing more, our rights are gone! You sound like a good serf, a good little sheep, living like a mushroom, in the dark surviving of a steady diet of bullshit!
Back then I believed in the government. Now, I realize what a fool I was.
Same.
You always need a healthy dose of skepticism in life, no matter who you're listening to, particularly "leaders", however you can't completely dismiss gvt...
Don’t live here then . Who doesn’t support their own country and freedom? Smh goofy
@Terekfilms2 I mean your on TH-cam and have freedom . Most of the world can’t say that . Be grateful
Unbelievable, if they wanted David they had all the chances in the world to get him and not kill others.
Yes you are absolutely right!!
Yup. They used to go on jogs right by the surveillance house.
@@postsingluarity6159 you mean if the cops grabbed him on his jog, his followers with him would get violent?? Get real, a small swat team could have handled that arrest, no problem!
@@postsingluarity6159 People are still being sheep! To the government!
@@postsingluarity6159 It's funny the conspiracy theories are coming true in the case of Waco and now look at what's happening right now with covid! The left is eating their words! Blindly following the government.
You mean to tell me the FBI couldn't find one individual who knew how to negotiate in Biblical terms? 🤔 huh..
this wasn’t the common christian church
They had a certain group for a reason.
so no of course they wouldn’t know what to say
They had several opportunities to arrest him when he was out and about. This shouldn't have happened!!
Bunch of illiterates. Considering Adventists volunteered for scientific experiments, you'd think they'd take the time to um....read about them???
Exactly ...why didn’t FBI bring in pastors David used to listen to on radio when he was younger or any of the local pastors to talk about his religious views? This could of helped with negotiations and at least saved some lives.
They did and he was removed as being to friendly. The FBI used 19 negotiators so David could never establish much of a dialogue. The Branch Davidians had been there for 60 years before David got there and have rebuilt on the property.
When I read these comments I feel proud of you guys for not believing in this propaganda.
The christian propaganda???
I do feel sorry for the kids who lost their lives
They are the only people to feel sorry for!!!!!
they didnt lose their lives, they were murdered by the government.
The kids are the only ones who I feel sorry for.
@Denise Shephard Don't be foolish....they are ALL Better off dead!
@@edgodsall3740 why is that?? All those adults- they deserved to die in your mind?
What for?
For living different? Believing different? Following David? What crimes did they commit-
What warranted their deaths? Please, do tell!
Looks like somebody eats up whatever the media & government feeds them
Bottom line is the government failed with this one. No matter how you splice it, they failed to save those children, who, at no fault of their own, were victims of the cult. I think negotiators weren't aware that the leader is living in a non-logical reality, and they must work with the story in his head and not the ones in their own.
Bottom line is that Koresh failed those people by not surrendering when he said he would. 100% on him!
@@amer1canbea5t89 You _clearly_ have no idea what you're talking about.
Same with every other siege on a dissident. It's not about the law. It's about babylon
They had plenty of chances !
I think they were angry and wanted to hit back because of the loss of their friends..You only have to look at My Lai to realise humans can act totally out of character when at loggerheads with each other..❤
Let's not forget that Lon Horiuchi who was an FBI sniper here at Waco, was also the guy who shot and killed Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge.... WHILE SHE WAS HOLDING HER CILD IN HER ARMS.
Oh yes and though the feds didn’t fire a single round on April 19 (yeah, right!!!!!), there were shell casings left in the sniper nest where none other than the upstanding murderous bastard Horiuchi was stationed, firing in the back of the building lowing people down as they tried to flee the raging inferno! And Thibodeaux, you would have been shot had you had the misfortune of trying to exit through the actual remaining exit. The others had all been destroyed first thing that morning. The kids were all dead long before the fire. The tank pumping the CS gas in to the vault for 20 minutes, that took all the children out very effectively and very violently - and I believe this was carried out as planned, the slaughter of those kids, to torment Koresh in their final act of retaliation against him for the loss of the 4 atf and the 20 plus injured. Those kids died torturous deaths.
He's now employed by Troy Firearms.
In the back of the head!
USA !
they gassed the compound for eight hours straight knowing there were children in there, threatened the mothers, terrorized those people, what a sin
The feds started that fire
The government went full nazi on this one
They targeted the children with that gas pumping it in for over 20 minutes straight, into an unventilated concrete room. The children were murdered torturously with that gas which becomes cyanide under some circumstances and those were present here. They died violently. And then their bodies were further demolished by plastic explosives detonation just above that concrete structure; the mushroom cloud of the explosion is blatantly evident in the footage of the fire. The bodies got so hot from that explosion that they amalgated and many were dismembered by the sheer force of impact from the explosion - for instance Koresh’s eldest son inside there, Cyrus age 8, was dismembered and his cause of death is lifted as smoke inhalation and charring but also listed is possible head trauma. Why? His head was never recovered as it was destroyed in the blast, so it couldn’t be ruled out that he didn’t have head trauma killing him. This is all so disgusting behavior of the godawful federal government and so inexcusable and unpardonable, absolutely unforgivable!
@@heatherbellamy596 I agree. I think the government were far too aggressive, most likely because 15 years earlier in the Jonestown massacre they murdered a congressman.
Nope . They had plenty of chances .
Where is LON HORIUCHI the FBI sniper that opened fire at Waco ?
He is also the sniper that shot Vicki Weaver in the head while she was unarmed and holding her baby in her arms at Ruby Ridge.
He was charged with murder by the Idaho state prosecutor but the Federal government gave him immunity from prosecution.
SHAMEFUL
@@donc1546 If so, no reason to fear the Devil...!
It blows my mind, I watched many many documentaries, and it seems like there's always an English narrator to American events.
NO FR probably has something to do w if it was an american narrator we wouldn’t rlly pay attention
Not to me
Ikr. Like they know America better than Americans. I'm out.
Wrong, we’re actually sophisticated robots. Watch out dear boy.
Really doesn’t sound like an American narrating, unless that is of course what you’re talking about!
The Fact that his mother was okay with him sleeping with a 13/14 speaks volumes… She to was a young teen pregnant by a 19yr old
The south is different. They don’t see things the same. The girls seemed to give themselves willingly, nobody was raped.
@@luxetveritas4633 It's called Statutory Rape and its a crime. 14 years old is not old enough to consent. As a person from the south, 18 is where the limit is, and everyone I know agrees with that.
@@badkarma2761 yes I understand that but from pictures she didn’t look abused or unhappy. It doesn’t look like she was mistreated.
@@luxetveritas4633 give it another 10 years. I’m sure there was lots of therapy and trauma. Just because you can’t “see” it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
@@TheCarolinaCannonball that has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation taking place. They were in Texas. Not Georgia.
"What the ATF did not understand was"........ to not start shooting the second David stepped out of his door maybe? What was this, a botched hit!?
I totally agree ! Maranatha !
WHAT IF IT WAS ''BOTCHED'' DELIBERATELY ????
@@douglasrowland3722 probably was. the military is infested with sickos!
How do you know that's what happened?
@@stumarston6812 How do YOU know it DIDN'T ???????
Never underestimate the FBI,s ability to turn a bad situation into a disaster!
*massacre
Hahahaha ffs haha
And how do you negotiate with religious lunatics? A no win situation, which is what Koresch wanted.. could they have negotiated with Jim Jones? Or Donald trump?
Or Charles Manson
Never underestimate the ability of religion to turn morally normal people into crazed cult leaders and blind followers
I can never forgive the FBI and ATF and Janet Reno for the cold -blooded massacre of the innocent children.
No that's was good reno sent them burnt them to hell they all sinners
What about the lunatics who put the kids in that situation to begin with
@@glennarcher6 I agree. Them too. But our government had no right to do what they did. The guns weren't threatening anyone.
@@glennarcher6 have you ever heard of the Jonestown massacre? 908 to 918 were killed following someone they truly believed loved them. If you haven’t heard about it I really recommend you look it up. Jim Jones really brainwashed all those people. Its easy to criticize from the outside looking in.
@@Chick_N_A_Flick yeah I've watched docos and listened to a podcast of it. Jim Jones was a lunatic
"extreme psychological tactics" funny way to say torture
I was thinking the same thing.
Funny how none of them thought about shooting up the sound truck with their guns. 51 days . That's not torture it's hell
it's an interesting tactic, drive them to the point of insanity so that it is impossible for them to make a rational decision. Yep drive them crazy then accuse them of being crazy. except for david he was nuttier than a shit house rat and a con man. They should have caught up to him on his own and gave him one behind the ear.
Did the same to the North Vietnamese or VC.. They were superstitious so we played the sounds of wandering spirits, moans, chains and wails, dying voices, voices in Vietnamese calling for their mothers, from boats rigged with loudspeakers throughout the night..
It was exactly the same tactic.
@@mrshelby4682 I'm Irish tell me about it...the EU doing it now. I haven't seen my family for 3 years. I book to go home for Paddy's day...shut down. Now til December..same s*** different people. Godbless everyone
@@eibhlinnichrualoai Yeah.. this 'pandemic' had such an effect as to change our criminal courts' disposition on jailing people. Not so long ago, they would lock you under the jail for possession of marijuana, now, they release kids onto house arrest who suffer from escalating methamphetamine addictions, and eventually like my only brother did this past February, they get themselves killed.. My brother, was 25, shot 3 times for having an unloaded handgun in his possession, died in a gas station parking lot surrounded by strangers.. they'd arrested and put him on house arrest, 3 times in the last year and a half, and each time they never even came to check up on him after he cut the bracelet.. He was hard headed, but you only really come to realize how much of your life you've wasted in your late 20's..... i'm 32 myself. Spent half my life trying to reach my little brother, he would listen but was, independent.. No real danger to anyone but himself. I told him "don't go and get yourself killed, little brother, one day it will be just you and I left, and I'm gonna need you.. we're gonna need each other. You don't need 'friends'.. you don't need 'money', if you have to risk it all to get it.. just stick around and you never know what the tide might bring.. find yourself back in a smoking lounge one day with ice in your glass.." ... It takes a village though, and we got ourselves a deathly ill village, right now.. and not because of the 'rona.
Because of the complacency and corruption we've allowed to take hold, in the world.
God be with you as well.. with us all.
That was a cruel massacre in cold blood...
Isn't it curious how they do this kinda stuff to BLACK and WHITE PEOPLE TOO???????!!!!!!1
@@douglasrowland3722 I distinctly remember seeing the documentary 'Rules of Engagement', and in one scene, there is a sign apparently painted onto or hung on the building by the occupants, which read,
"Rodney King: we understand". but so few people have seen the film, let alone that briefly shown slogan, that a lot of you have no idea what I'm talking about (I am not referring to the movie of the same title, w/ actors, which has a story unrelated to Waco).
that david koresch committed. beware of cult leaders... trump.
@@tomitstube Trump was GRRRRRREATTT !!!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh. 8-D
Was anyone in the Government held accountable for the murder of these children?
Nope they are democrats they are never prosecuted that party is criminal nothing but liars and thieves it’s a totalitarian dictatorship.
Of course not! Lol That never happens.
You must be new here
How about david. Did he really think he'd win? How about the brainwashed parents who put their kids in harms way to begin with.
Lmao
The government botched this and Ruby ridge!
Botched? This is what government is.
No, the gov't didn't blow it, JESUS blew it for creating such an insane religion that people could interpret it's insane teachings in such incredibly bizarre ways.
@@dude999642 religions are created by men! That’s what makes them flawed!
The lead FBI guy from ruby ridge held the same position at Waco
@@dude999642 The government DEFINITELY blew it. All parties are wrong here. Koresh broke the laws, but there was NO reason for the government to act the way they did. End of story
He (David) would jog around the area right passed a stakeout home repeatedly and they never apprehended him once. Why not.
They did not want that cult to have massive amounts of guns etc..
When an Army tank comes through your front door, that’s devastating “- Truer words have never been spoken
@Toma Rogers From my understanding, when this country was founded, the founding fathers put in the Constitution that the Government had >NO right< to dictate How people worshiped! That's why they fled England to begin with!
I can fully agree with that one!
@@owenmclain3327 there's no laws saying people can't own multiple firearms, nor a law against living in the sticks.
The same jerks that murdered the Weavers at Ruby Ridge are the ones that were opening fire at Waco.
@@deirdrepasko9056 yea but there is laws against being a pedophile, and owning fully auto weapons instead of semi auto
The irony is that he paid taxes so the police could do that to him.
The government handle this all wrong. But he was not of Christ. The children are the ones that suffered. 😭😭😭😭😭
They can call him what they want, he may have been the Devil incarnate..... fact is, he went jogging most days down the road, he went into town regularly, they could have apprehended him on any of those days without incident. They chose to create this fiasco. The government soldiers who attacked that doomed compound are responsible for those childrens' deaths, they knew they would not take him alive. It could have been done in a civilized way and they chose to ignore that route.
Yep they wanted their propaganda piece of saving lots of kids while recovering lots of illegal guns - they wanted to put on a show because at that time there was talk of dismantling the atf especially after the botched Ruby Ridge fiaco!
The parents who took their kids there are also responsible, they put these kids in harm ways by joining a cult...
Government used sleep deprivation tactics including shining spotlights on them and playing audio of rabbits being killed...Imagine doing that to innocent kids and women and acting like it's the right thing
Not to mention playing Nancy Sinatra. That's cruel and unusual.
And they drove tanks into the building, and filled it up with flammable CS gas. In nearly every major instance where this has been used, fire and deaths, are the result.
The tanks crushing through parts of the buildings blocked off exits to the room where many of the women and children were, it was then filled with cs gas, killing many, those that survived were burned alive. This is what the authorities did.
It’s FkD. All of it.
The PSYOP tactics are honestly the least of what the Feds did to those kids. They were gassed and burned alive by a freaking tank.
If the Israelis try to play the freaky sound to get me out cause my parents are looking for me, it would be real cool if that it sounded like Godzilla. Better yet, Baltan from Ultraman.
The ATF got their asses kicked so they burnt the kids they were supposed to save.
The fbi approached this in a poor manner. I believe they are at fault for the people and children who died in this tragedy
No, RELIGION is to blame - religion made Koresh go completely insane, and dozens of lives were lost, or f'ed up for life.
Their parents are also at fault for putting them in harm ways...
I was babysitting the morning the FBI made the final attack. It sure looked like they started the fire with that tank that was poking into the building. The person I was sitting for and I watched with horror as the fire broke out and we watched a few people come out and be immediately arrested. The part that is the worst to me is that Koresh was known by the FBI to make trips into Waco every day either by himself or with one or two other people. They should have arrested him then, rather than attack the compound, which fed into the paranoid belief of the members that they were going to be attacked by the govt. There was no reason for the attack on the compound, except the ATF wanted to show militia groups, which were quite prominant then, that the govt was not going to put up with the illegal gun sales and collection. If they had arrested him away from the compound, the followers would have been lost without him. THAT was the govt's big mistake.
"They should have arrested him then, rather than attack the compound, which fed into the paranoid belief of the members that they were going to be attacked by the govt."
Not such a paranoid belief after all, was it?
After what happened, i'm not so sure if 'paranoid believes' is really the accurate term to use..
Its been proven that armoured vehicle did NOT start the fire. There was extensive investigations and you can read it yourself. Many areas were lit by the occupants called "points of origin", there is an audio recording of david ordering them to start the fires and lab tests and sniffer dogs were used to identify liquid accelerants that were used.
Also, there WAS a reason to raid the compound. If you nab david externally and the rest of the religious lunatics hear about it, the fear he has been drumming into them is confirmed regardless, then you have an entire building of paranoid, armed lunatics WAITING for the police. The point is to surprise raid and grab david and the illegal weapons they had been PURPOSFULLY stockpiling to attack police should they come. david KNEW they would come eventually once they found out about the kids he was molesting among other things.
He was a maniac, and his brainwashed idiots were not much better.
The gun fight and the ending fire were PRE PLANNED by david and some of his most devoted followers.
Was it handled perfectly? no. But how exactly do you treat a bunch of brainwashed, paranoid religious maniacs who are sitting on a stockpile of guns and have already shot and killed police?
Most of what people think could have been done better is pure hindsight, and usually based on ignorance of details.
@@jkenwell Not at all. They feared an army coming to take them and then an army came took them. The government really screwed this one up beyond belief.
Those "little militia groups" weren't illegal. They are very legal and it's the constitutional right of the people t to form militia groups of the need arises, particularly against a tyrannical government. Also, some of their weapons may have been illegally converted, but they weren't themselves illegal at all. This was the government showing US, the American people, what they would do if we put a toe out of line, legal or illegal, and we should all be enraged by it, and forever defiant against it. Freedom and liberty are precious values that are hard won, and once they are given up to a governing body or political establishment, they WILL NOT be returned for any reason. Not without a fight.
Yeah this story is from the Feds point of view. Last man standing gets to write the history book
Yes the winners write history but David did get some amazing words on. True to his word David started writing the meaning to the 7 seals. They agreed to let him finish it but like their past pattern they burned them alive instead. He did finish the first seal before he died and you can read it on line. The poem is amazing and it speaks volumes for David koresh. Made me wonder if he could talk to gods. LOL
Man the lies they tell to try and justify their actions are amazing. Right down to saying they lit themselves on fire. SMH
@@sjb3460 Just a heads up. Typing like that makes you look like an actual pyscho.
yeah... youre ignorant to the details like most others.
It was completely proven that the fires were started by the occupants. There are audio recordings of david ordering his subordinates to start the fires. There were video, lab tests and sniffer dogs that identified multiple origin points where they started the fires throughout the building and liquid accelerants were used.
This is all confirmed. you can go find the reports yourself and read it.
Remember, david brainwashed his idiot followers to prepare for the police raid he KNEW was coming. He was kiddy fiddling, buying and selling illegal weapons and stockpiling them specifically to kill police when they eventually came for him.
The fire was PRE PLANNED by the religious maniacs as a last escape. Think about the stupidity of the people who followed him. Men letting him root their own wives and daughters to father children.
Could things have been handled better by police? perhaps, but only through the lens of hindsight. How were the police to know this guy was so insane he had prepared a mass suicide for everyone to escape justice?
@@sjb3460 While I agree with your comment, CS gas training in Basic Training was brutal, but have you or anybody on this comment thread read the Danforth report, the governments final statement on this debacle. Their claim is no CS gas was used. Where did they come up with that?
@@sjb3460
No need for the repeat spraying or spraing paint remover in to the eyes (Paint remover/paint stripper (Have you gone nutz?). A person can just teast with a fresh chilli. Just crush a little with the fingers. Wipe off excess juice and rub an eye a little. The idea is a tiny amout for a managible effect. Your paint stripper is not recommended. Not at all. Just a tiny dab will usully result in temporary sight impairment. Wash off with plenty cool or cold water if need be.
@@sjb3460 Sam, going through training on the use of this gas, we were repeatedly warned not to use it on children or senior citizens, with compromised lungs (COPD etc.), could kill
While on long TDY to Waco in 04/05, I rode out to the Branch Davidian compound. There were still people there in the Church. The foundation of the building that burned was still there long since filled in with water. The bus was still there. They had planted trees for the dead. A Father Time looking fellow came out of the Church and talked to us for a couple of minutes and we left. He was very welcoming and nice. I assumed he just wanted to make sure we weren't doing any shenanigans.
Interesting anecdote...
1) The Dividians didn't break any gun laws as the ATF alleged in their warrant.
2) ATF shot first and The Dividians simply defended themselves.
3) Koresh and the children didn't die in the fire.
4) Koresh and the children were shot to death by ATF to avenge the 4 slain ATF officers.
The authorities didn't really give much indication that they intended to be fair and honest if David tried to have any dealings with them. They DID have opportunities to arrest him: been said.
Right..
Sure dude.
All that shit is did to the children though doesn’t matter?
God will punish these devil servants like fbi and atf Rip David Koresh the best
@@arjanpetersen He IS right.
They could have snatched him while jogging, but then they wouldn't have gotten to use their big tank toys.
The FBI knew that CS tear gas is for use outside against adult rioters. Not for indoor use not against babies and children at four times the concentration recommended by the manufacturer for outdoor use.
They also knew that when ignited, CS gas produces cyanide.
Clyde must have watched the documentary before this video as i did. I would like to here from the so called UPS driver that discovered the handgranades that led to all this i dont believe he exist FBI is bullshitting .
CS gas is hell they hit us with it in basic at ft.jackson it truly burns and irritates like crazy. Anything u touch if your hands are exposed to it burns too.
Couldn't finish watching this. Such a one-way story of how great and concerned and heroic the FBI were. And the smear campaign against Koresh then and now is never ending. I don't know what Koresh was like but I know what the FBI and Media are like. Also, such a smear on the 7th Day Adventists. I've known a lot of Adventists and not one is a cult member but upstanding citizens sharing this society with others who do not think like them with compassion and kindness.
History tells a very mixed story. I heard testimony that he regularly went jogging outside of the compound. There were suspicions about the government's tactics even as it was unfolding. The best people to ask are the survivors.
Yes absolutely… you can compare and contrast the survivors of Waco and Jonestown, Jonestown survivors being very negative about Jones, Waco survivors definitely not always completely loving towards David but definitely not blaming him for what happened and overall having a more positive perception
Why would anyone trust the word of extremist cultists?
I remember this. We watched the news everyday hoping the kids would be let out. Still very sad. May they rest in peace
Did the ones that were, the ones that did that... (The fbi and tier gas/shoot at the people) Go to jail? No because they can get away with so much shit, Yet when a guy tries to kill himself (I'm saying guy cause I'm a guy) He goes to jail for suicide attempted instead of getting mental help.
@@drakenpage777 oh, I know! The government makes others get the blood on their hands and then offers no true assistance
@@WowJustWow37 Ya it's bullshit we shouldn't go to jail for trying to commit suicide, we should go to a mental hospital not jail.
I remember, and I was just a kid.
At one point no one was allowed to come out. They would have been shot on sight. The fake mainstream media told that they refused to come out. The truth is that they were kept imprisoned
Dude was far from innocent but this was botched on the part of the government and ATF
High politicians responsible for murdering all those men, women and children should've been brought to court.
😂😂lol they had plenty of chances !
The authorities should of just picked up Koresh when he came to town instead of storming a well armed compound.
She hit a 6 month old with a paddle until it bled? Wtf? How could a baby misbehave? They can't even talk yet.
Lies
@Black lives Matter youre trolling lol
Yup and ppl still feel bad for these religious wackos . Imangine what else they did !?
The FBI set the fire ablaze.
WELL BURN ME DOWN !!!!!!!.......(Hey !.......I'm not Popeye....)
Bullshit. There's audio of the Davidians setting it.
A member in another interview said he heard a male voice from inside the house say to light the gas that another male had already doused the floors with.
It's true in the original video you can see the tank smashing the inside of the building then fire shooting from the tank I'm not on david keresh side he was wrong but so was the fbi booth sides got those kids killed.
Actually, the court did this to themselves. Both sides are at fault. This should never happened, if David Koresh didn’t hear voices in his head
She told his first love story like that was something to be proud of 😟
Right that mom is a goofy ! Dude was having sex with a 14 year old
If you can say "sure, he married children, but if you believe it's the will of God, you don't question it", you're not asking the right questions.
If you don't know that child marriage, while vile in my opinion, with parental consent is completely legal in al but a handful of states (even today) then you need to brush up your reading list.
@@voiceofreason1208 Yep! Im one of 23 Took me decades to escape! LDS/FLDS/RLDS
@@voiceofreason1208 yeah that's disturbing I'm not sure how it exactly works but I've seen stuff about this
Isn't it time the laws changed
@@aandreaaaa legal at some point but isn't there some laws about married to minors that's truly worrying
Right ppl aren’t bringing that up .
The Asain woman is speaking like she was on the outside and she knew what he was up to. She was a follower and was sucked right in herself. Take responsibility !
So true. I don't think the FBI started the fire not purposely I was not there but they did not know what they were doing. Blame all around
@@timmekaamerson147 The ATF were there first. Supposedly they sprayed the dogs with fire extinguisher. As we have seen in recent days law enforcement shoot dogs on a regular basis. Those shots to kill the dogs probably caused the Davidians to fire.
@@anthonyruiz7925 they shot the dogs with guns,,,not fire extinguishers.
There is multiple people who were actually there ATF, FBI, branch davidians and others from all sides that have said what actually happened. All pointing fingers at atf firing first. If you really can look at all the facts and think your government didn’t do wrong that just shows how brainwashed they have society. The government is the worst and biggest gang in recorded history.
Ive seen a lot of Waco documentaries and different perspectives with many names reappearing (Clive Doyle, Byron Sage, David Thibz)
Never seen Dana Okimoto before.
"we didnt nail him on a cross. we burned him too the ground"....wow
Where was this?
@@donodom3 the very last sentence
Probably got what he wanted
Disturbing, huh?
Waco Texas
IF he was guilty, great; he got what he deserved. The only and MAJOR issues were:
1) He was not given the opportunity for a trial in a court of law.
2) He was (allegedly) targeted for an assassination as opposed to legal detention and a trial.
3) many innocent men, women and children were shot at, gassed, and trapped in a building that was demolished with explosives and raging fires. They were shot at anytime they were seen attempting to escape the demolition and fires.
So, the feds were shocked at Koresh buying and selling guns? The ATF SOLD him a federal firearms license so he could legally sell guns. CS "gas" isn't a gas at all. It's a finely powdered chemical irritant dissolved in Acetone, and relies upon the high volatility of the Acetone to quickly evaporate into the air and dry the powder so it can be carried on the slightest changes in air currents within the building. The flash bang grenades that FBI launched into the buildings after detonating the CS grenades would have ignited the very air within those buildings. FBI had to know this would happen and deliberately allowed every man, woman and child burn to death in retaliation for the deaths of 4 ATF agents. Fun fact: the defense contended that the agents may have accidentally shot one another, and asked to examine the bullets removed from their bodies. ATF agents were using a 10mm "cookie cutter" bullet that was custom built by US Govt armories, and unavailable to civilians. At the request of prosecutors, the judge refused the request.
Wasn’t one of the ATF disarmed by Koresh? I saw the Paramount+ series.
@@eaglesfan226 I've not heard this--wasn't in any news stories at the time. It was reported that Koresh was shot in the abdomen when ATF officers came to the door, and accidentally discharged one of their weapons...
David Koresh and the Davidians sounds like a band
Well, he was a musician, after all.
Apparently someone's not paying attention to this specific video. Or christianGill in comments who supports this cult hahaha
They were a band. And dejacavu you have no idea what you’re talking about
You know Madman Living in Waco is actually a pretty good song, it is on YT.
Vernon H & The Crispy Davidians
Notice at the end, "We burned him to the ground". Interesting admission after stating you didn't start the fire.
Technically they made humanity a favor, was it their fault that his followers ere brainless zombies? I'm just sad for the kids who had no word neither ability or capacity to decide. Think that they had weapons and this was a cult of braiwashed people in hands of lunatic, FBI can't read mind neither see the future.
For all they knew the lunatic one day could have snaped out like in Jonestown and said take this weapons and go to that city and start killing the ''ufaitfull''. I just don't get why they had to do it that day and maybe stop and think about another plan to get him without casualities, were they pressured to get him?
@@LifeInPink999 So you say kill all people you do not agree with ? Who cares if innocent children goes down the drain, you do not like them, so kill them all.
I think he should have been locked up for grooming and making young girls pregnant, not make him a martyr.
@@LifeInPink999 The prosecutor would not prosecute the case against Koresh UNLESS the warrant was served with force. They didn't have to do this. Koresh went in to town frequently, and jogged in front of the ATF surveillance house across the street almost daily. Koresh had invited the ATF to the their home to examine the firearms and the legal documents they had to prove their legitimacy. And I too feel bad for the kids. Many of whom succumbed to CS gas pumped into an enclosed space that was legally only allowed to be used on adults (not children) in an outdoor (not indoor) environments. All praise to the FBI and ATF though, right?
@@LifeInPink999 his followers is like trump cult followers
@@flobekoe They say that there is always one dumbass in the group. Thanks for proving it.
From what I heard, Koresh went for a walk every evening, and also drove into town to buy things. They should have kept surveillance on him and arrested him outside the home. I'm sure they later realized this after several of their agents and people inside the cult building were killed.
well that's no fun
@@basishub why
Agreed
Yes they could have done that, but Koresh also could have surrendered and ended all of it before anyone perished!
@@amer1canbea5t89 Well observed! Like raped females shouldn't dress like that... Thanks for your contribution
What’s wrong with this comment section? This man claimed he was Jesus! He’s an evil conman.
Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheeps clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:15
Wrong! Pure evil, the Devil Himself rules the US 'Government' and most of the world!
Right ! Can’t belive ppl are defending that pedooo
The dead man cannot defeated himself. Knowing there were kids and FBI started an attack
these kids were already killed from a kool aid drink before the cops came in, thats what you get with democracy since you allow satanic cults
David's young child was playing in the yard when the ATF pulled up and they murdered his son in the first burst of gun fire.
@@donc1546disgusting of you.
this was a fantastic film...at making excuses for the murderous authorities
Yep!
I wouldn’t blame the ATF directly. I’d blame the system. Not that many people find a career for the right reason. Look at Israel. They say they’re defending their country from the Hamas, except they kill unarmed Palestinians. The only difference between Israel and our government is we don’t have conscription anymore.
Those people had to be stopped. They were armed and dangerous. Their deaths was of their own doing from what it looks like
RIP to all the kids an innocent victims who perished that day.What a corrupt government.
And now it's worse!
And also violent and abusive pedophile cult leaders.**
Yeah, Koresh had NOTHING to do with it.
Got it.
Next time there's a f*cking cultist rapist pedophile, we'll all know you're on the side of the rapist pedophile.
Thanks for identifying yourself as an enemy of kids and the innocents.
@@jeffbaer5851
Yea not saying koresh wasn’t a rapist or a monster but the government could have handled totally different!!!
It(Government) hasn't got any wiser with age, sadly
When someone says, "I am the Son of God"..., that's a clue to run. Amazing how many people follow folks like him, and are willing to die for HIS beliefs....
💯 % agree! So many brainwashed individuals, thats why those kids died
I AM THE SON OF GOD !!!
We are ALL children of God.
why didn't he turn surrender.
Whenever someone asks you if your a god, "You say YES". Ghostbusters.
The mother who talks about how she abused her child....honestly I can't feel anything but disgust for her beating her infant ...she shouldn't have custody of a child she was willing to sacrifice to the devil
Thousands of kids in USA neglect, abuse, murder used as social & religious pawns! Often by their own family
Its called discipline, the lack of it is why kids are so shitty and have false senses of entitlement
I wonder about you believing it.
FluxFist she was physically disciplining a 6-month old infant. That's abuse. An infant that age has zero comprehension of right/wrong and no ability to make a decision. Physical discipline is just wrong at that age.
@@fluxfist6920 a spanking is whatever, sure, a little young but you can excuse the naïvety. Beating the kid until he bleeds is another story. You know how hard you have to _paddle_ someone to make them bleed? What she did has nothing to do with the other Davidians, she was just weirdly aggressive towards her kids.
28:40 "they inadvertently severe the phone line" yeah righttt lmaooo
"Mr. Retardo was now running the show"
Something about that line made me chuckle
Yeah, that was oddly funny.
This is why the Lord Jesus said be not deceived!!! Many will come and say i am the Christ believe it NOT!!! These people that were deceived were ignorant of what the Bible said, and that’s why it’s so important to actually read the Bible for yourself!!
Just like the 913 people that followed Jim Jones .. he was a false prophet and he deceived all of them! .. they all went to HELL 🔥
Yes ma'am. At the second coming every man will see Christ. There will be no doubt.
why do i get the feeling you're one of the people who forces others to have babies in case they're jesus
@@eveillanderson What the hell?
@@Joleyn-Joy this whole thing was just police finding an excuse to use their toys - he was no more of a nutcase than the rest of you who worship the _real_ fake eye in the sky
This should always be looked at by law enforcement, as a way of how NOT to do it! They had several opportunities to arrest Koresh in town, and we're made aware of it and given the chance
again before all this. But no! The cops wanted a big show and have a big dramatic takedown, but what they got was a showdown instead and didn't count on that or them being able to shoot pretty good.
They didn't arrest him in town because the man had broken no law!!!!
There will always be a defensive showdown, we have been warned several times.
This was not about arresting him . This was a message to Americans. The message was that the US government will murder you and your children if you step out of line
I don’t know… but you are insane.
@@akizmetkat999 00
These are great documentaries I've seen a bunch of them. I love the way they tell the story, go back in time and intertwine with current and interviews. I remember this happening.
I hate it
This document is total shit and one sided. A psychopath made this to convince Normies to blame the victim.
47:25 he just tucking admits to starting the fire!
“We didn’t nail him to the cross, we burnt him to the ground” WOW
It's also on film. The tank started the fires. People can see the FLIR footage for themselves.
@@clicheguevara5282 FLIR footage shows the fire starting in three different places. The FBI was not at the two other locations.
my husband knew Vernon Howell when he was a teenager..they went to a dairy queen to eat, "david' had his Bible and guitar with him, he sat the guitar outside on a newspaper stand, he was arrogant saying it was safe, well it was stolen and vernon went into a rage. Also the first girlfriend breakup drove him even more crazed...he constantly berated people with the Word of God with a angry demeanor....he was a very volatile and could be considered a danger. My husband told vernon's mother about how unstable he was...but it feel on deaf ears, she was his mother and protective of him but she had fear too. this was in Saxy, Tx..just outside of Dallas. When the news broke on TV about Waco.....my husband wasn't shocked, he even thought about talking to the Atf/fbi to offer any help.....We had just had our first child...I said stay away from this...we prayed for those people to Please send out the all the children....but My husband knew early on that this wasnt going to end well. It was heartbreaking, and strange to see this guy go on for days...on TV day after day. This guy was a danger from the get go. A control freak and a fraud. yes he could resight the Bible at will, even as a young teen he did it constantly.
This sounds so much more realistic than what all these people are trying to portray. The type of guy that would sleep with a 70 year old woman, literally take the wives of other men in his cult, have 12 children with multiple women at the same time is not someone that's stable. It's a sign of a very disturbed man. Yet this comment section just focuses on how the big bad govt was picking on the poor innocent Christian man.
@@ispartacus1337 not poor, innocent, not Christian. When you only read out of Revelations and twist the Bible to fit a narrative of control over others there isn’t a chance in the world he could, would, or should be qualified in the category of Christianity
They could have picked him up with all the times he went to town by himself that was practice for the fetcher attack on all religious groups.
After hearing his mother, no wonder why he was the way he was
Why
Yeah curious if your interpretation
Amen she's wacko too
Wacko from waco
@@LorenzoMasterConnector what r u talking about?
David is said to have thought he was the messiah, yet the government acts as if it is God!
He was raping children! Raping children so young that the act tore their flesh. The parents watched. The government did exactly what they needed to do -- who knew that these people were so crazy that they'd let their children burn alive? Timothy McVeigh died for child rape -- he is THE poster child for child rape.
I had no idea it went down like this. I'm so sad for all those people, all those innocent children. This is disgusting. The FBI were totally in the wrong.
this is great stuff i laughed my balls off it was so funny thanks youtube for the comedy show good shit!
good job F B I for preventing future problems for honest american citizens
@@briannotafan3368 you are so edgy
@@briannotafan3368 sicko!
@@briannotafan3368 I’m embarrassed for you.
I watched this unfold on tv. Yes it could have been handled different. To many innocent people died that day.
It’s their fault, this is how rule of law works. When the ATF gets a court approved search warrant and goes to execute the warrant and you shoot at them all bets are off. You are probably going to die. And ontop of that they had 51days of chances to surrender and then started the fire themselves 😂 make it make sense how I should feel bad for these idiots
"we're the ATF the FBI, we're the good guys, we're here to protect and save the women and children" O how will you do that? "By riddling the place where they live with automatic weapon fire, then setting them on fire" wonderful idea, anyone going to be held accountable for how things turned out? No very sad, it didn't need to be this way
The police fired first cmon let's not lie. That man went out of the house with no weapon
Were you there?
@@putler965 no but many others were. 👋
@@somersfamily Of course the Davidians will claim the ATF fired first. And the ATF will say the opposite.
@@putler965 The ATF did fire first. They killed all the dogs outside. It was shown in one of the earliest TV media reports.
@@tonyprice2256 Really? Perhaps you can cite to these media reports.
What a rotten time David had as a kid, no wonder he’s turned out the way he did
It was bad, but a lot of people live through worse and do not turn out to kill and rape and torture others for his own enjoyment and ego.
Lots of kids have rotten childhoods.
Don't give that malignant narcissist rapist pedophile an out.
What a biblical scholar?
@@jeanjulie4851 David did not torture and kill people
I don't feel sorry for him he was a literal pedo I can't understand why Americans defend him. Sure the authorities aren't innocent but he definitely wasn't.
How the ATF and the FBI could drive tanks into the heart of a structure that contains dozens of kids is mind-boggling. Even the tear gas was a bad idea. They acted like there were no kids in there at all.
Maybe you should have told the ppl who had KIDS not to put THEM in harms way
@BLAX- STACCZ Nobody is saying they weren't engaging in criminal activity, and they definitely put those kids in harms way, but it was the Feds that took the actions that killed them, not the Branch Davidians. The Feds were the ones that sealed the fates of those innocents. And it's not like they didn't have all the information, they absolutely did yet they still made these horrendous decisions. Again, it's mind boggling.
And how would they NOT put them in harms way exactly?? You do realise that was their home. Nobody is going to separate themselves from their kids at home. You're a clown. Plain and simple@@BLAX832
Uhh they were warned many times !?? Plenty of chances . They chose this
@kylekyleswae7352 The kids chose this? I don't think so. The authorities were heavy handed and unprofessional.
They couldn't let him live to tell his story.
Whoever produced this ought to be ashamed. The true story is available people. - you can find it without too much trouble.
Post the true story link
What’s the true story?? I’m really interested
@@cl0ud_g1rl78 government overreach turned into a public display of power that resulted in dozens of kids being burned alive by janet reno and the atf
@@lancemoreno8194 Waco: The Big Lie is the true story
@@cl0ud_g1rl78 Waco: The Big Lie is the true story
"We didn't nail him to a cross, we burned him to the ground"
This statement alone, out of the entire video, made me angry. Just a sad day all around.
what annoys me about these types of documentaries is the repeating of information we already know. over and over.
Last words of the Documentary was an Agent saying “We burned him to the Ground!”
Exactly we all know what governments are capable of
Sure koresh was a whack job but there was other ways this could have been dealt with
@@markmitchell450 I agree 100%. Love them or Hate them, they did this country a huge favor by standing up to Government aggression. It definitely made a statement and has awaken the Country
@@JoshuaMixson9696 And since no one stood up for them, look at the mess this country is in because of these same dark ones who do nothing but destroy. All those participating will go down with them!
@@flparrotz1The ATF pulls up and starts shooting the dogs without warning. They botched that entire operation. They could have grabbed him up on a morning jog or a trip to town and had him separate from the weapons and compound but for some reason ATF wanted to show America that they don’t need to ask.
This was another example of an atrocity made possible by a blind belief in religion. The sad thing is, religion causes these events to happen all over the world.
And we have a right as humans to follow any religion we choose, or not. The powers that shouldn't be DONT have a right to torture and kill you for it.
@J B Amen. 👍✊
Religion is poison
Yeah, well the target of Ruby Ridge was a former Green Beret, and that attack had nothing to do with Religion. Koresh was no angel, but religion was just a convenient scapegoat at Waco. Easy to paint the target as a crazy messiah/cultist who may 'kill the hostages' so the agents could do as they may. This speaks more about a power-tripping Federal agency that's willing to kill you to make the point that THEY are in control. Oswald, My Lai, Waco...It stuns me how quickly people will STILL believe the government narrative no matter how many times they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
Yes indeed!
The FBI handled that all wrong he was a monster 👹 but they didn't have to burn 🔥 all those innocent 😇 children
@Ron Mexico Arkansided....I'm using that one Ron.
A monster, as in a true cult leader or dictator, doesn't allow his followers to leave their assigned areas. They are cut off from the outside world, not able to leave to visit family or have jobs.
@@voiceofreason1208 he let people come and go as they wanted. He even let one of the FBI agents in to see what life was like in there. After that the FBI agent no longer supported the hostile position the government took.
@Ron Mexico i think they saying he is a monster bc he had sexual relationships with children & if a fam showed up under his roof & he thought the wife beautiful he would take her for himself
The true monster was Bill Clinton and Janet Reno
Yes, Koresh was a psychopath and should've been arrested for what he was doing. But make no mistake, the FBI is the reason those women and children died. The FBI has blood on their hands. Why are these men behind uniforms able to go scot-free after clearly committing mass murder of innocent people? You only had to arrest one guy, but you murdered 21 children along with taking other innocent lives in the process. I'm sure Koresh didn't live inside his compound 24/7 since he had to go outside for food and essentials. So, being the FBI or someone with half a brain cell, you could've surveilled him to find out his routine visits and exits from his compound, and then planned to arrest him outside of his compound, thereby not placing anyone's life in danger. But because you guys are highly sophisticated, you decided to emulate your ATF buddies by carrying out another siege after knowing they already failed in their lame attempt. Well done! You guys are truly inspirational.
I think the Davidians were a bit weird but harmless. The FBI could have arrested Koresh and questioned him away from the compound. They acted aggressively from the first moment they got the warrant to know at the door, killing the dogs. Shooting through the roof and shooting the water supply up. They threatened the mothers that even if they gave themselves up they would never see their kids again. Playing noise around the clock to deprive the Davidians of sleep and eventually torching the building after using military grade tear gas on everyone inside. This was evil, premeditated, and carried out with the full knowledge of the Clinton regime. The worst thing is, they will do this sort of stuff again, and probably on a much bigger scale next time.
Harmless? A mentally ill cult with a paedo leader and armed to the teeth?
Davidians fault! They had plenty of time to come out and they chose not to. Obviously the mother’s didn’t care for their children
@@smellycat264 The biggest problem with this issue, it happened 30 years ago, which means there is a whole generation of people who either weren't alive then, or if alive, weren't old enough to understand what was going on. So there are a lot of people who never saw the interview with the local sheriff who explained what was going on. One morning after a large group of men left the house, as they always did, to go to jobs in the surrounding community, a large group of ATF agents surrounded the house. Agents at the rear of the house found where families living in the house, kept their family dogs, and started shooting the dogs. Agents at the front of the house, hearing gunfire, started blindly shooting at the house, as did a group of agents in a helicopter hovering over the house. After a failed attempt to 911 to try to stop agents shooting at their house, they armed themselves, started shooting back. The whole 51 day stand off was the result of the people in the house simply wanting someone not affiliated with the feds to come in and look at evidence they had that they had not started the shooting. Local sheriff knew these people, they knew him, and he tried for weeks to get the feds to let him go in and see what evidence they had, but was denied. Which meant, if they had been allowed to survive, decades in jail.
You know, they're doing wonderful things at mental institutions these days, I'd be happy to set up a meet and greet.
@@smellycat264 they shouldn't even be forced to go out. They did nothing wrong. They should have been left alone.
They gambled that the parents would do whatever they could to save their children and they were horribly mistaken. You don't make these kind calculations and bank on the lives of children no excuse for gambling with the lives of that many children. This did not have to go down like it did.
Normal parents would save their children. The problem is that a these brain washed parents would much rather watch their children die in flames than surrender. Koresh is still as much to blame for this outcome.
Exactly
theyre so brainwashed into thinking that david was the next messiah of some sort that their children's lives was second . so sad. im for christ above all but david seemed like a confused sick individual twisting the bible to misguided all of them
Koresh could have sent the children out at anytime but he used them as human shields he is the only one to blame for anything that happened that day
What they didn't mention in this documentary was that the government had an undercover agent in the cult. Have to wonder why they didn't get any info on how fanatical they really were once he was discovered by the Davidians and told to leave.
When ATF gets involved everyone dies
It’s a fact.... Ruby Ridge, The Symbonese Liberation Army , when ATF comes on the scene there are no survivors
Wasn’t Randy Weaver involved with the KKK?
The newest mini series about this explains how the head ATF guy didn’t want to negotiate basically all the innocent people that died their blood is on his hands. The media as a teen wanted you to believe a narrative even as a teen I knew this wasn’t right. Evils of government that will forever go unpunished.
Not Forever
They " Banked" on parental instincts from people whom wholeheartedly believes David was a prophet. That makes as much sense as the branch dividens believing David is a prophet. The human mind is incredible and weak all at the same time.
Those who follow militaristic maniacs and believe what they do is right are among the weakest.
His mother seems perfectly fine that he was doing teenagers. 15yrs old is too young to fall in love let alone marriage, and babies.
Well , what else do you expect from a woman who gave birth to him at the age of 15, saw her becoming a father of a 14-yr-old, etc, etc?!
Trump, Epstein, Matt Gaitz and Jim Jordan do not think so. Normal people would agree with you though.
Yep and my husband left me for my 14 year old cousin. Happens all the time with less media
@@colleenfrank1678 .. that is sick. Clearly your cousin was giving herself up early in life and did not care about respecting family or who she hurt. Where on David's case is was intrapment of parents and children prior to David having his way while using the Bible as a weapon to do it. Sorry it happened to you. Your cousins parents should of stopped it period.
He's just trying to hit it.. and he doesn't want anything that's been ran through. He's better than that. And around 15 is the most naive and.. budding a chick will be.
Easily manipulated.
🤣
That's the mindset of these guys anyways
Those draconian authority was now no more - including the F B I I'm so glad... It's so disgusting the ways they handling such case with children and woman all in side. To me they used those people as a practising targets! So SICK!
this actor really looks like David
How do you know?
@@shinigami1315 there’s literally pictures of David sprinkled throughout this documentary
Thort it ws
David Koresh face was all over the news in 1993. I was 19, I remember it well and I'm not even an American.
What a grusome manipulator!
The FBI agent saying he had a tunnel and blah blah blah ....!!??!!
This is our government ppl.
The only thing these people were guilty of, was following a wicked, false religion and even then, they have the right to practice whatever they believe. This was a live fire training exercise for the powers that shouldn't be, end of story. The allegations of child abuse were thoroughly investigated and found to be baseless. And, though I find it vile, even the child marriage aspect is a non actor, as in all but, I believe, seven states, child marriage, with parental consent is actually legal in the US. This was a knock warrant. They knocked with automatic gunfire and got the fight they were looking for. Anyone who thinks they should have just "obeyed", needs to rethink things. Ruby Ridge, Waco and OKC were events to demonize those who are deemed "anti government". Funny, because, even though I am completely non political, an anarchist actually, the founding fathers that so many of you statists love, were "anti government" too. They stood against the "authority" of the crown. Just remember, for those cheering this....what happens when that government that you say they should have just obeyed, shows up with their mraps and militarized police, because something YOU believe is now deemed "illegal"? It CAN and WILL happen people.
That's a fact. It will happen
Wait. The adults watched as Vernon raped children. Children who were so young that it is considered pedophilia. The adults watched and knew and probably heard the whimpers and cries as Vernon tore into them. It is good that the adults died. No empathy for any of the adults. It is unfortunate about the children, but they finally found the sweet release of not being CONTINUOUSLY raped by a paranoid/delusional/moron. Vernon was not very bright -- his nickname throughout his childhood was "Retardo".
amazing, and after all these years, most comments here speak louder than the words of david, who rightfully warned us about the army of babylon, still rolling into our homes every day...
Absolutely the old government likes to control us,and if not well you get Waco or RubyRidge death!!They don't want us armed and living in compounds,to hard to round us up.
Then don’t live in America with our freedom! Simple !
“I have memories I’m not proud of,” said as she smiles.
Micro expressions get you every time.
She's messed up. Wow.
You think you came up with smg smart now huh? I also do smile when talk about embarrassing things. Its a normal human reaction.
An apogetic smile, maybe?
@@rkzinczy Exactly. Some people laugh in terrible situations that they didn't cause but are a part of because their brain can't handle the information provided. It's like people can't help it sometimes and an emotion whether or not appropriate comes out.
I think that’s a rrreeeaaallllllyyy vast - like out of Earth - reach & an uneducated over overgeneralization.
Stories like these are big reasons why im afraid of religion's effect on people. The level of control that was held over those people is terrifying. You can make anyone do anything if you make them believe in it enough. Absolutely terrifying.
Watch the documentary “Waco: Rules of Engagement”. this piece is corporate/government propaganda
Yeah this piece is EXTREMELY biased
Religion was offered to us in order that we might be manoeuvered away from the True God and Christ. AND CULTS even more so............
While cults express purpose is to bring you CLOSER to God......Their very operation puts you farther FROM God and sanity....!!...I call this The Diametric Parallel......!
A Diametric Parallel is when something LOOKS LIKE what it ''allegedly'' is....but
close scrutiny....reveals defect and ERROR...to the point that you see that the cults function is SELF-CONTRADICTORY !!!!!
But you are not afraid of "the authorities" after watching this? Seems a lot more terrifying according to what was shown here...