Best thing about the clip Connor showed about Ironmouse running Donations for getting a new bed, is not only the instant $1,000 but also her donor goal was exceeded within less than 10 minutes. She cried so hard at the outpouring of love that she had to stop her stream. Something she expected to take almost a year to achieve happened in 10 minutes.
The worst is that, of all the people in the world to hate, they decided to hate on a bedridden person that spends a lot of her time helping people. Whoever hates her can't be good people
Quoting something along the lines of Mike Tyson: 'Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it' Yes yes, I know of his recent performance too, but still the quote is still relevant to this day
I was one of the people going "Why is this anime character filling up my youtube feed? What even is this? Why do people like this?" at first, and I still don't watch vtuber streams all that much, but over time my view of the whole thing changed, especially Mouse who really grew on me. Thankfully I didn't make any comments I woulda regretted down the line, I have a personal policy of never talking negatively about things other people seem to enjoy just because I don't enjoy it, I prefer to talk positively about the things I DO enjoy. Better for my mental and I don't make myself look like an asshat for not understanding something.
@@teo-7242 I can only speak for myself, but it was mostly a knee-jerk reaction to seeing my recommended flooded with clips of a creator I had never heard of whose content didn't match what I usually watched. I'm actually a huge nerdy weeb in real life, so it wasn't a negative reaction to the anime-ness.
"We hate some persons because we do not know them, and we will not know them because we hate them." It's regrettable how relevant and accurate this quote still is today...
Hate is a very strong word to describe a very negative feeling towards someone or something... you'd have to know the bare minimum about something or someone to hate on them... if you didn't, you'd just ignore it and the problem wouldn't exist, after all, I do not know them enough to hate them... maybe dislike it? but nothing as strong as hate. Most of these "haters" don't actually hate the stuff they hate on. they are just miserable wretches wanting some engagement in social media. Most likely kids.
He's completely right about the internet currently being the most miserable it has been, in my lifetime as a 33 year old at least. We went from nice small forums all broken up by interests and demographics to having 4 sites everyone has to share space on and they all suck, really badly. They all incentivize driving ourselves insane through malicious (intentionally or not) algorithmic feeding.
It’s crazy that everyone I watch just now suddenly fits in one video. Alana, Alicia, Mouse and ofcourse, the sir himself. Like, it’s a weird small world sometimes
She is japanese, and she doesn't sit in english side of Twitter and TH-cam, so she will not be affected at all. Pekora is more celebrity than any EN vtuber by her position in japanese media
The pros of VTubing -There's an extra layer of security between you and the crazies out there -You don't have to look presentable when you stream -You don't even have to look real life attractive -If you're the kind of person who feels more comfortable talking in Discord then having a real in-person conversation that's also a plus I think the hatred is threefold: -Regular content creators and their followers getting salty that anime girls are outperforming them -It's cool to hate anything Japan-related in this day and age -There's a surprising amount of people who think VTubers are AI (when there's only really one big AI Vtuber)
(And said AI vtuber is producing more original content than most of their "fleshtuber" critics) The same people claiming AI is theft are posting two reaction videos per week and calling it hard work.
@@XShrike0 Same... It seems so random now it's ludicrous. I'm in a position now of constantly looking at comments and thinking "If I had written that in those exact words, my comment would have been immediately deleted".
@Arbaaltheundefeated the worst is how much bot spam still seems to make it through. My original post was wondering if part of the hostility was from the paranoia of the person behind the vtuber being male. It feels like denial behavior.
"i dont get it, but i dont automatically hate it." !!BASED INDIVIDUAL DETECTED!! and yes about a month ago both of alicias channels were hacked (aliciaxlife and aliciaxdeath) which pissed me off to no end because some vtubers use the money they get from vtubing to help family. ex: shondo (fallenshadow) they've said they are the main breadwinner in their family, in alicias case she uses the money from vtubeing to pay for her cancer treatments! shes the LAST person who deserved that! (edit) oh my god... i didint know ironmouse was so sick... im a loner so i dont leave my room by choice.. but not being able to leave it due to fear of getting sick and DIEING?!?! so in mouses case its the same as alicia....
Yeah, a huge amount of v-tubers precisely join because they basically can't get out or because auto immune diseases, because it precisely fit with their drawbacks
18:54 I agree with you on this. People are quick to respond to something (this could be a picture, video, music, etc) without taking the time to understand the intentions behind it. They also don't realize that their hate comments could really affect a person mentally, especially if a person is using that medium as a way to express themselves or as a way to escape. I am an artist that make comics and post them online. All the positive comments I got basically, gave me the drive to continue for 200 plus chapters. You also have to remember that not everyone is the same and how I might respond to a negative situation.... would be way different from how you and any other person would handle it.
She lets them bounce off for the most part (and she had really good mods to nuke the worst of 'em on her streams), with the occasional "yeah, right, whatever" comment towards certain themes. Still, having that level of shite flung her way by these idiots is no doubt wearying, on top of her CVID issues.
Scamboli's video perfectly capture how i feel towards Vtuber : Yes i would watch a clip and laugh but overall , it simply dosen't do it for me at all. I just don't like them. And thats it. I dont hate-watch 'em, don't trash talk 'em AND most importantly, i don't disregard the fact they're real human being behind the screen just because they got an avatar. Keep sucking your favorites streamers if you want but stop turning into unhinged assholes when another one hits bigger number than yours.
Pretty much. I don't see them too differently from any other streamer or youtuber. The shtick doesn't really do it for me tho, and I only watch a handful of clips from Alicia, Limes and maybe Alana. People get really obnoxious about personalities and streamers that they like/hate. It's mad weird.
Weirdly for me, vtuber streams themselvrs Im mostly not a fan of. However, any collabs with Bricky are incredibly funny. Both sides seem to just roast each other in the funniest way.
It goes under the umbrella term of Internet Addiction, but there hasn't been a consensus on where it can actually land because of how many effects it can have on people.
@@maxtex60n40 There's definitely a difference between people that are online for hours daily because they want to, and those that do it because they *have* to. One is an inescapable prison of one's own making, and the other is a job. Jobs aren't mental disorders.
Alana and Alicia are both really down to earth and I don't think either of them use a voice filter or anything. On other news I live mouse and her story. We need to defend! Promote the mouse! This was a great video!
Both Alicia -and Alana- are pretty down to earth, and they are nice. But to the main topic- Ironmouse is currently fitting the Definition of the adjective "overhated". The fact that Kai himself was relatively fair and competetive, but the toxic fans being all hate... You really got it in the video title, the Situation is so *S A D* Edit: Just Alicia... I saw some recent Alana stuff after reading the comments. Oops.
And even after kai took back the title and got a ton more subs they still was on her and it was just distgusting... Kai and mouse are wholesome competition but the stragglers the followers on one side unfortunately kai's was just wild wild and maybe im wrong maybe it was both or maybe im yapping but we gotta adress the elephant peoples followers have more power than the content creator at this point and the fact that hate can be spread so fast maybe cuz someone is just envious or plain out hob knockers all because its funny to them or they just want chaos i wish i could chop your ankles but thats just personal and im only one person so its not even a threat lol but still being alive in this day in age its hard to stand the hate seen and placed for NO REASON.....
@@hibarikyoya854 No joke, watching her fall down that bottomless well so hard was wild to witness. Makes you wonder if it's just trying to cash in on the grift or if she legitimately caught the mind virus.
Ironmouse is just adorable I generally dont watch Vtubers but she is one of the very few and I can kinda understand why she I guess hides behind her persona which is because of her disability plus in this day and age who the hell wants to show your face online anymore when this shit happens she worked hard to get where she is and with a pretty bad medical condition so I raise a glass to her Her plus her singing is top tier and so sad she couldnt live her dream but I am glad she can share her voice with us
I don't watch many, and more over the last 6 months or so. SmugAlana, Aliciaxdeath and Kip are solid tops for me because they have more opinions I agree with and their voice isn't outrageous (like some others I dislike)
I can almost guarantee this type of thing is going to happen every time we get any kind of streaming awards for at least 1 to 2 more years being optimistic
"People fear what they do not understand, and hate what they can't conquor." The hate against Vtubers from my perspective is just hateful losers not knowing how to self improve.
Im so glad jack reacted to this than again... Matter of time for the crossover judging by the content wasnt it? Jack has a kind heart and is a good man glad i found his channel
As a VTuber myself, thank you so much for reacting to this video, Jack. I could suggest you watching other videos of his, ones that are less tense like the Fear and Hunger ones, or just from games you've never heard of but, back to the topic, I kind of fear for Pekora now. She's the next TGA Nominee and, even though the Japanese Branch tends to be more wholesome and supportive, I still fear that this scandal may extend for another year if she wins.. or even worse, if she loses "because it's the safest option for her mental health". Edit: You forgor to add Connor's channel to the Description.
To be honest I am particular with which of your reactions I watch, you’re an intelligent guy, and I like it when people don’t know what a video is going to be about going in.
Hint: If you hit the Following Button on the top of your twitter page, you see people you follow. You can also mute Elon so you dont see his stuff, and mute certain words, like Trump, Biden, and Election.
I follow a few Vtubers on YT (Alicia being one of them) and I had to see what this whole thing with Ironmouse was about because I had only briefly heard of it. I still don't understand the hate. I don't use Instagram or TikTok but the fact you said it's worse than Twitter makes me glad I don't lol. A lot of the issue is that the internet gives people the anonymity to be able to say nasty/ignorant things because there's very little, if any, repercussions. Worst thing on a stream is you get your comment added to that 20 page document it seems like and MAYBE a ban. I still get notifications on some comments I made ~2+ yrs ago calling me insults about my minor inputs on some videos because they disagree with me lol. So I can't imagine the will some of these crazy popular people have to keep doing what they do when trying to interact with fans AND haters.
Honestly, you´d probably do amazing as a V-Tuber Your voice is buttery smooth, you´re funny and i don´t know if you have a Talent, but you DO have a Physics Degree, you could probably make a career reacting to Sciency videos like VSauce and just go on tangents about your field of Knowledge. Also you´re based and that´s what truly counts.
I did not expect to see Chill, talks about Mouse. Goes to show how serious and blown out of proportion these hate campaign these people from the so called W community is pushing.
@@yamato9753I mean she still has more talent than they do. I'd tell myself she was AI to make myself feel better if I was that insecure and not learn anything about her
@@Vincisomething Yeah, They're projecting. Just Ironmouses Voice is incredible. Like, Vshojo has a Talent with an AI voice- Zen - And even there is a real Woman behind the model. The evidence that she can't be AI is there!
@@yamato9753 In the end, whether she's seen as an AI or not, doesn't really matter. Social media platforms/ the internet have become extremely negative and toxic places; though there has always been an underlying amount of bigotry and hate on all these platforms. Evil, wicked, depraved, or atrocious people don't care about you, your background, your hardships, or your story; destruction, anarchy, and chaos are their only goals. Whether this be achieved through corruption, debasement, or perversion of any culmination of positivity. Sadly, this is extremely common: forming the basis of what I've come to expect from the overarching internet community at large.
So I'm a extremely small content creator and author, so I haven't gotten any hatred, but I've seen these type of things. I don't really get why people go above and beyond in trying to drag down other creators in the name of their "fav". I do admit that I get extremely nervous when what I do doesn't get any negative stuff (especially my writing), but that's more me wanting to learn what I did wrong and how I can improve. But v-tubers get a lot of hate for no reason outside of "they're not real". As much as I may not like a lot of them, I respect their grind, and especially their talent. Not many of us can do what they do. I've always wanted to do covers but fear the backlash. Anyway, people can be dumb sometimes, and we all know that they can draw together other vile people in the name of "being right".
I'm also one of those ppl who don't really get Vtubers, but I have popped into the space a few times and watched some Ironmouse videos. Seems like a nice place for the most part. My only turn-off is the parasocial aspect, which is in no way unique to Vtubing, but seems to manifest in pretty extreme cases in the Vtubing community; to the point where mfers are showin up at they spots and stalking. Fixing that issue would take pretty radical socio-economic change and since we're probably not gonna be doin a Campesinos style revolution any time soon, the parasocial thing is here to stay. But like I said, nice community for the most part, very friendly and wholesome. Don't see how someone would have such vitriol for the Vtubers.
Part of the problem is you can't control content against the algorithm. I don't want Vtuber content; yet there's no way to stop it, YT will continually suggest it regardless of how many times you block a channel or tell them you're not interested in the video. I'm fine with other people loving that content, but there should be a simple way to tell the system what we do or don't want. (I also don't care about sports, but that was strangely easy to show YT and it never came back.)
23:58 I appreciate the points you make, because they really add to explaining how ridiculous the logic of the haters are. But come on, you must be pausing on these kind of frames on purpose 😂
people need to understand that its ok to not like something but be a adult about it not a 5 year old. also what ever happened to not everything needs your 2 cents? come on people just walk away sometimes.
Yeah the situation really is out of hand. Not a fan of IronMouse, but doesn' mean one needs to hate on someone just because you don't like them either. Kinda wish that the people who do enjoy jumping on the vitriolical hate train had gotten the understanding of that old buddhist saying; "Holding onto hate is like drinking poison, in the hopes that the other person dies".
I don't hate on the internet, cuz I'm normal. I just don't fully understand influencers with zero knowledge about the real world having the opportunity to influence. It's kinda scary when you don't know how smart or virtuous the person you're watching really is 💀
I can say this, I feel bad for Mouse going to Tik Tok since it's a site that is somehow even more toxic and hateful than TH-cam is. It is so hateful that when Onision returned (again) online he tried to do Tik Tok and actually argued with his chat many times and felt he was more hated there despite the fact nobody there knows who he is.
Those people can't call themselves Kai Cenaat fans or supporters because he openly supports her. Even if he didn't what makes them think he would like it. I watch aliciaxdeath, Paws, and Rosiebellmoo. Used to watch Nuxanor until he fell for Ethan's meltdown and lies (if you're more aligned with Destiny, you dont have good opinions. And you're even more of a moron if you fell for what they put out without ever watching the original videos/fact checking). For some reason i thought he would actually exercise critical thinking and not fall for Ethan's "everyone is mean to me because I'm Jewish". (Even though Ethan's own fans call it out)
@TheGoldenJay637 Ethan Klein lol. He's been losing it. He acts like he's not aligned with Destiny but he clearly goes through their subreddit or gets info from there. Ethan has been going on this tirade on how Hasan is allowing antisemitism and his only "proof" is he interviewed a Yemeni teen Ethan accused of being a Houthi. The evidence? Ethan said he's lying about not being a Houthi. What did the "Houthi" do? Made an anti-zionist post. Ethan claims 90% of Jews (not just in Israel, all) are Zionists and constantly conflates Zionism and Judaism. If you saw any "Hasan is a terrorist supporter or antisemitic" sentiments anywhere, it came from Ethan and Destiny's smear campaigns lol. Fun fact Ethan has a wife who was in the IDF, has horrible things about Orthodox Jews himself, and Destiny openly defends Israel and the genocide.
@TheGoldenJay637 The terrorism accusation came from him showing 10 seconds of a musical made by some anti-israel group I think. He said something like "aren't they good dancers" and people took it seriously. In the full video he was explaining the conflict and why they exist. But Destiny took a 15 second clip and acted like he was blindly praising violence and trying to brainwash Nick (nmplol).
I think the entire hating stems from people hating to see someone else being successful while they have nothing going on in their own lives. Basically "How dare you be successful, while I have to scrape at the bottom of the barrel!". And instead of putting in the effort to change their situation for the better and become successful themselfs (in whatever area), they would rather spend hours writing hate-paragraphs (without any ragard to the targeted individuals struggles and sacrifices) online, because it is so much easier than getting your a*s up and do something productive.
I'm subbed to a TH-camr that on the rare occasion that his fanbase acts up, he'll make a video, or talk about it in the next upload of a related video and it feels awful. It felt like disappointing your sweet dad, and I didn't even do anything wrong. It's very effective. I wonder if he can teach classes on it to other TH-camrs that have toxic fanbases, but he's probably too modest for that.
I only correct others when it’s obviously necessary, lmao. Most I do is comment about how much I like something or how handsome the content creator is (WINK WINK)
I admit when I first got twitter I did 100 posts or reposts but thankfully I'm not a .... and I just wanted to make friends and any new recommendations for posts or people I follow and repost but nowadays I just stay away from twitter and only look around every now and then but yeah this is pretty sad. If I had to say people doing that are pathetic just saying anyone that disagrees I'll gladly discuss it with you and I do speak for Vtubers I'm friends with and talk to but I really do hope this all blows over soon because yeah this entire situation is based on plain stupidity and it needs to stop or recent things recently I hate it. And sry for no punctuation I'm trying to type as fast as I can before heading out to do thanksgiving shopping so happy thanksgiving!!
Like Connor said, it is a hard time to live for anyone. But ... like the Riddler from the "new" Batman said ... hurt people hurt people. It's a sad cycle.
Very happy for alicia, having her channel restored. Been watching her since her Honkai Impact 3rd days. As for SmugFox, despite her going down that brain rot path of red pill-esque to anti wokey type videos. Personally I prefer to watch vtubers be kawaii, be happy and shit not enter the real world brain rot crap I heard countless of times to the point I can recite something they’ve said over something from the bible 😂 But for stuff like that I’ll watch creators like you, Aba and Preach, etc to hear your inputs but yeah, she’s cool. I do watch other vtubers like kson, dokibird, chibidoki, aquwa etc. As for ironmouse, thing is Kai is cool. Hes not the type to lash out over dumb reasons unless someone gives him a reason to like Ninja who threw shots, basically dude was hurt that Kai passed him and didn’t give Kai his flowers so threw shots. It wasn’t a good look. At least with Ironmouse and Kai, they gave each other respect for passing a record over the other. And yet, somehow this triggered an attack on not just ironmous but vtubers in general. Typical Xitter or just the internet, no generational hate BS applied. Anyone from any gen can be stupid. If you believe it’s just a Gen Z only thing, then get offline and go meet more people 😒
These people are literally watching people do things that they could be doing, but then say, "How can you can you watch this," I mean, how can you watch the creator you like watching. These people genuinely need to touch grass and get some sunlight. They probably wouldn't be so depressed all the time considering just getting even 10 minutes of sunlight can negate a lot of major parts of depression.
I'm not a VTuber myself, nor do I know that many on a personal level, but from doing a bit of digging and listening to the Tubers themselves, it's my non-educated guess that VTubers have the avatars they do because of anonymity, playing a character to their respective audience, or sociodigital safety reasons. Hell, to some it may be because of all three. My point is, regardless of whether it's a real person sitting in front of the webcam, or they have an avatar to cover their face... At the end of the day, it's still a human being! Contrary to the hater's belief, most VTubers DON'T have an avatar because "Guhuh, marketable fetishism". It's simply because they either don't feel comfortable showing themselves, or it's for another arbitrary reason that's their own business, and not any of the haters'. And for f*cks' sake, Ironmouse is diagnosed with an immunodisruptive disorder that has her bedridden essentially 24/7. Out of all the VTubers to hate on, people target the woman who arguably deserves it the least out of anyone on Earth. In any case, the hate that Ironmouse has gotten because "oh, she didn't deserve the award cuz VTuber", rings as nothing but hot air to me. On the contrary, she deserves nothing but all the love, respect, and kindness her fans, friends and collaborators have given her.
Best thing about the clip Connor showed about Ironmouse running Donations for getting a new bed, is not only the instant $1,000 but also her donor goal was exceeded within less than 10 minutes. She cried so hard at the outpouring of love that she had to stop her stream. Something she expected to take almost a year to achieve happened in 10 minutes.
Yeah, this was so moving 😢
The worst is that, of all the people in the world to hate, they decided to hate on a bedridden person that spends a lot of her time helping people. Whoever hates her can't be good people
Quoting something along the lines of Mike Tyson:
'Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it'
Yes yes, I know of his recent performance too, but still the quote is still relevant to this day
i was just about to say this and BOY IS THIS EVER TRUE IN THE PRESENT DAY.
I mean, he is nearly 80, but still trained, despite losing to a young one, he can still punch you untrained rando hard, do it still applies in my book
Unironically i could see Kai or Speed hanging out or collabing with Mouse and it being wholesome
Ironmouse is a predator, but then again kai hung out with Chris Brown so you're right
@@imtired927 wtf is bro saying
@@imtired927 wtf
@@imtired927what the actual fuck are you on about?
@@imtired927i mean it's obvious rage bait but still like what?
I was one of the people going "Why is this anime character filling up my youtube feed? What even is this? Why do people like this?" at first, and I still don't watch vtuber streams all that much, but over time my view of the whole thing changed, especially Mouse who really grew on me.
Thankfully I didn't make any comments I woulda regretted down the line, I have a personal policy of never talking negatively about things other people seem to enjoy just because I don't enjoy it, I prefer to talk positively about the things I DO enjoy. Better for my mental and I don't make myself look like an asshat for not understanding something.
same here untill i found aliciaxdeath who showed me how vtubers arent "all" thirst traps (which i now understand that at least 96% of them arent)
i'm incredibly curious. Why is the first reaction negative. Is it culturally powered? SImilar to saying Ayaya at any mention of anime?
@@teo-7242 "i dont understand it therefor i hate it"
@@teo-7242 I can only speak for myself, but it was mostly a knee-jerk reaction to seeing my recommended flooded with clips of a creator I had never heard of whose content didn't match what I usually watched. I'm actually a huge nerdy weeb in real life, so it wasn't a negative reaction to the anime-ness.
I honestly still dont understand why people like it, but the reaction to go spread malliciousness and hate baffles me. Just... go watch something else
If a 40 year old man can sound like Mouse, even with a voice changer, that's extremely impressive.
"We hate some persons because we do not know them, and we will not know them because we hate them."
It's regrettable how relevant and accurate this quote still is today...
Hate is a very strong word to describe a very negative feeling towards someone or something... you'd have to know the bare minimum about something or someone to hate on them... if you didn't, you'd just ignore it and the problem wouldn't exist, after all, I do not know them enough to hate them... maybe dislike it? but nothing as strong as hate.
Most of these "haters" don't actually hate the stuff they hate on. they are just miserable wretches wanting some engagement in social media. Most likely kids.
Alicia mentioned!!!!!!
Omg yes the rat queen
She is the rat that makes all of the rules.
LETS GOOOOO
The yapping elf
I love Alicia!
He's completely right about the internet currently being the most miserable it has been, in my lifetime as a 33 year old at least. We went from nice small forums all broken up by interests and demographics to having 4 sites everyone has to share space on and they all suck, really badly. They all incentivize driving ourselves insane through malicious (intentionally or not) algorithmic feeding.
It’s crazy that everyone I watch just now suddenly fits in one video. Alana, Alicia, Mouse and ofcourse, the sir himself. Like, it’s a weird small world sometimes
The hate that ironmouse is getting it completely uncalled for and as of right now if pekora wins content creator of the year all hell will break loose
If pekora wins, blood vessels will pop
She is japanese, and she doesn't sit in english side of Twitter and TH-cam, so she will not be affected at all. Pekora is more celebrity than any EN vtuber by her position in japanese media
These dumbasses had no idea how powerful the Hololive fanbase and Nousangi in particular was.
Pffft, ill prepare the popcorn and pizza, anyone else wants some stuff for the spectacle?
The pros of VTubing
-There's an extra layer of security between you and the crazies out there
-You don't have to look presentable when you stream
-You don't even have to look real life attractive
-If you're the kind of person who feels more comfortable talking in Discord then having a real in-person conversation that's also a plus
I think the hatred is threefold:
-Regular content creators and their followers getting salty that anime girls are outperforming them
-It's cool to hate anything Japan-related in this day and age
-There's a surprising amount of people who think VTubers are AI (when there's only really one big AI Vtuber)
There is another source of the hatred. They are terrified to be attracted to the vtuber, only to find out that they male.
(And said AI vtuber is producing more original content than most of their "fleshtuber" critics)
The same people claiming AI is theft are posting two reaction videos per week and calling it hard work.
TH-cam. If you are going to delete my reply, at least disable notifications. I have no idea what triggers the filters any more.
@@XShrike0 Same... It seems so random now it's ludicrous. I'm in a position now of constantly looking at comments and thinking "If I had written that in those exact words, my comment would have been immediately deleted".
@Arbaaltheundefeated the worst is how much bot spam still seems to make it through.
My original post was wondering if part of the hostility was from the paranoia of the person behind the vtuber being male. It feels like denial behavior.
"i dont get it, but i dont automatically hate it."
!!BASED INDIVIDUAL DETECTED!!
and yes about a month ago both of alicias channels were hacked (aliciaxlife and aliciaxdeath) which pissed me off to no end because some vtubers use the money they get from vtubing to help family. ex: shondo (fallenshadow) they've said they are the main breadwinner in their family, in alicias case she uses the money from vtubeing to pay for her cancer treatments! shes the LAST person who deserved that!
(edit) oh my god... i didint know ironmouse was so sick... im a loner so i dont leave my room by choice.. but not being able to leave it due to fear of getting sick and DIEING?!?! so in mouses case its the same as alicia....
Yeah, a huge amount of v-tubers precisely join because they basically can't get out or because auto immune diseases, because it precisely fit with their drawbacks
18:54 I agree with you on this. People are quick to respond to something (this could be a picture, video, music, etc) without taking the time to understand the intentions behind it. They also don't realize that their hate comments could really affect a person mentally, especially if a person is using that medium as a way to express themselves or as a way to escape. I am an artist that make comics and post them online. All the positive comments I got basically, gave me the drive to continue for 200 plus chapters. You also have to remember that not everyone is the same and how I might respond to a negative situation.... would be way different from how you and any other person would handle it.
I hope Mouse is having an Ignorance is Bliss thought process when it comes to these freaks. They're not worth anyone's time, at all.
She lets them bounce off for the most part (and she had really good mods to nuke the worst of 'em on her streams), with the occasional "yeah, right, whatever" comment towards certain themes. Still, having that level of shite flung her way by these idiots is no doubt wearying, on top of her CVID issues.
@@CarlFox Fr. I hate those types of people. Those types of creatures should have their licenses to life revoked immediately.
@@CarlFoxcvid? I thought she had PiD
>make video about vtuber
>get visited by btuber
Scamboli's video perfectly capture how i feel towards Vtuber : Yes i would watch a clip and laugh but overall , it simply dosen't do it for me at all.
I just don't like them. And thats it.
I dont hate-watch 'em, don't trash talk 'em AND most importantly, i don't disregard the fact they're real human being behind the screen just because they got an avatar.
Keep sucking your favorites streamers if you want but stop turning into unhinged assholes when another one hits bigger number than yours.
Pretty much. I don't see them too differently from any other streamer or youtuber. The shtick doesn't really do it for me tho, and I only watch a handful of clips from Alicia, Limes and maybe Alana. People get really obnoxious about personalities and streamers that they like/hate. It's mad weird.
Weirdly for me, vtuber streams themselvrs Im mostly not a fan of. However, any collabs with Bricky are incredibly funny. Both sides seem to just roast each other in the funniest way.
I wonder if being "terminally online" should be classified as a mental disorder under the DSM.
I mean people working in the office and on the computer every day for their job could also be put under being "terminally online."
It goes under the umbrella term of Internet Addiction, but there hasn't been a consensus on where it can actually land because of how many effects it can have on people.
@@maxtex60n40i dont think so, because looking at spreadsheets and work forms is a little bit different than malding on twatter for 40+ hours a week,
Definitely
@@maxtex60n40 There's definitely a difference between people that are online for hours daily because they want to, and those that do it because they *have* to. One is an inescapable prison of one's own making, and the other is a job. Jobs aren't mental disorders.
Alana and Alicia are both really down to earth and I don't think either of them use a voice filter or anything.
On other news I live mouse and her story. We need to defend! Promote the mouse!
This was a great video!
Smug and Alicia both showing up in the first few seconds makes me happy
0:29 it’s crazy how you listed the only 2 V-Tubers I frequently watch. 😂
add the legit weebs and dito XD
Same lmao
Both Alicia -and Alana- are pretty down to earth, and they are nice.
But to the main topic-
Ironmouse is currently fitting the Definition of the adjective "overhated". The fact that Kai himself was relatively fair and competetive, but the toxic fans being all hate...
You really got it in the video title, the Situation is so *S A D*
Edit: Just Alicia... I saw some recent Alana stuff after reading the comments. Oops.
And even after kai took back the title and got a ton more subs they still was on her and it was just distgusting... Kai and mouse are wholesome competition but the stragglers the followers on one side unfortunately kai's was just wild wild and maybe im wrong maybe it was both or maybe im yapping but we gotta adress the elephant peoples followers have more power than the content creator at this point and the fact that hate can be spread so fast maybe cuz someone is just envious or plain out hob knockers all because its funny to them or they just want chaos i wish i could chop your ankles but thats just personal and im only one person so its not even a threat lol but still being alive in this day in age its hard to stand the hate seen and placed for NO REASON.....
Nope, more like far right sluts skanks with an army of subhuman simps.
I like a few videos of Alana I've seen but she's gone done the anti sjw pipeline real fast
I wouldn't say that Alana is down to earth, she got a little bit radical these days, but Alicia is very chill.
@@hibarikyoya854 No joke, watching her fall down that bottomless well so hard was wild to witness. Makes you wonder if it's just trying to cash in on the grift or if she legitimately caught the mind virus.
Just hang in there, Ironmouse. You have plenty of fans who appreciate you for who you are. 🙏
THE BEES!
Ironmouse is just adorable I generally dont watch Vtubers but she is one of the very few and I can kinda understand why she I guess hides behind her persona which is because of her disability plus in this day and age who the hell wants to show your face online anymore when this shit happens
she worked hard to get where she is and with a pretty bad medical condition so I raise a glass to her
Her plus her singing is top tier and so sad she couldnt live her dream but I am glad she can share her voice with us
I don't watch many, and more over the last 6 months or so. SmugAlana, Aliciaxdeath and Kip are solid tops for me because they have more opinions I agree with and their voice isn't outrageous (like some others I dislike)
I can almost guarantee this type of thing is going to happen every time we get any kind of streaming awards for at least 1 to 2 more years being optimistic
27:59 - IT'S ON RECORD NOW, WE GOT HIM GUYS!!
okay this fit at 1:24 makes your head look so small and it's kind of funny. I love that.
28:00 I am waiting for the Vtuber avatar of Jack where he has a constant Double Bizeps pose :D
"People fear what they do not understand, and hate what they can't conquor." The hate against Vtubers from my perspective is just hateful losers not knowing how to self improve.
And also jealousy, don't forget that.
2:00 caught me off-guard. I was just here to listen to your take lmao
Im so glad jack reacted to this than again...
Matter of time for the crossover judging by the content wasnt it?
Jack has a kind heart and is a good man glad i found his channel
I think jackserpticeye also made a video recently about all the hate on the internet as well
As a VTuber myself, thank you so much for reacting to this video, Jack. I could suggest you watching other videos of his, ones that are less tense like the Fear and Hunger ones, or just from games you've never heard of but, back to the topic, I kind of fear for Pekora now. She's the next TGA Nominee and, even though the Japanese Branch tends to be more wholesome and supportive, I still fear that this scandal may extend for another year if she wins.. or even worse, if she loses "because it's the safest option for her mental health".
Edit: You forgor to add Connor's channel to the Description.
Smugfox lets go
I can never understand how some people can waste energy on pointless hatred, going out of their way just to be negative
i keep forgeting how much you dont like bees
To be honest I am particular with which of your reactions I watch, you’re an intelligent guy, and I like it when people don’t know what a video is going to be about going in.
31:36 love you too jack
It's a little surreal hearing you shout out like all the V-Tubers I discovered alongside you, It's pretty cool ngl!
Hint: If you hit the Following Button on the top of your twitter page, you see people you follow. You can also mute Elon so you dont see his stuff, and mute certain words, like Trump, Biden, and Election.
I follow a few Vtubers on YT (Alicia being one of them) and I had to see what this whole thing with Ironmouse was about because I had only briefly heard of it. I still don't understand the hate. I don't use Instagram or TikTok but the fact you said it's worse than Twitter makes me glad I don't lol. A lot of the issue is that the internet gives people the anonymity to be able to say nasty/ignorant things because there's very little, if any, repercussions. Worst thing on a stream is you get your comment added to that 20 page document it seems like and MAYBE a ban.
I still get notifications on some comments I made ~2+ yrs ago calling me insults about my minor inputs on some videos because they disagree with me lol. So I can't imagine the will some of these crazy popular people have to keep doing what they do when trying to interact with fans AND haters.
Mr chill! Thank you for being a normal voice in a crazy world ❤
Honestly, you´d probably do amazing as a V-Tuber
Your voice is buttery smooth, you´re funny and i don´t know if you have a Talent, but you DO have a Physics Degree, you could probably make a career reacting to Sciency videos like VSauce and just go on tangents about your field of Knowledge.
Also you´re based and that´s what truly counts.
I wasn’t s big fan of c dawg before this, but damn. He seems like a nice guy
I did not expect to see Chill, talks about Mouse. Goes to show how serious and blown out of proportion these hate campaign these people from the so called W community is pushing.
Got surprised by the alicia mention. Love you see more people learning of her though
Should've gone with "This has truly been a Chill Zone" *credits roll*
It doesn't matter with these people. Defend your friend it is wrong, don't defend your friend but they like your friend, you should defend them.
Hope everyone that is reading this has a good day.😀
do they not know humans are behind the vtuber...? Do they actually think it's just some anime avatar on a screen 💀 17:16
Sadly, some of them do think it's just AI.
And it wouldn't even matter, because haters gonna hate.
@@yamato9753I mean she still has more talent than they do. I'd tell myself she was AI to make myself feel better if I was that insecure and not learn anything about her
@@Vincisomething Yeah, They're projecting.
Just Ironmouses Voice is incredible. Like, Vshojo has a Talent with an AI voice- Zen - And even there is a real Woman behind the model.
The evidence that she can't be AI is there!
@@yamato9753 In the end, whether she's seen as an AI or not, doesn't really matter. Social media platforms/ the internet have become extremely negative and toxic places; though there has always been an underlying amount of bigotry and hate on all these platforms. Evil, wicked, depraved, or atrocious people don't care about you, your background, your hardships, or your story; destruction, anarchy, and chaos are their only goals. Whether this be achieved through corruption, debasement, or perversion of any culmination of positivity. Sadly, this is extremely common: forming the basis of what I've come to expect from the overarching internet community at large.
Hope you’re having a good day jack
İf you could would you collab with youtubers?
"YOU SHOULD LOG OFF, NOW!"
So I'm a extremely small content creator and author, so I haven't gotten any hatred, but I've seen these type of things. I don't really get why people go above and beyond in trying to drag down other creators in the name of their "fav". I do admit that I get extremely nervous when what I do doesn't get any negative stuff (especially my writing), but that's more me wanting to learn what I did wrong and how I can improve. But v-tubers get a lot of hate for no reason outside of "they're not real". As much as I may not like a lot of them, I respect their grind, and especially their talent. Not many of us can do what they do. I've always wanted to do covers but fear the backlash.
Anyway, people can be dumb sometimes, and we all know that they can draw together other vile people in the name of "being right".
I'm also one of those ppl who don't really get Vtubers, but I have popped into the space a few times and watched some Ironmouse videos. Seems like a nice place for the most part. My only turn-off is the parasocial aspect, which is in no way unique to Vtubing, but seems to manifest in pretty extreme cases in the Vtubing community; to the point where mfers are showin up at they spots and stalking. Fixing that issue would take pretty radical socio-economic change and since we're probably not gonna be doin a Campesinos style revolution any time soon, the parasocial thing is here to stay. But like I said, nice community for the most part, very friendly and wholesome. Don't see how someone would have such vitriol for the Vtubers.
this is out of topic but you have a magnificent mustache my guy
Part of the problem is you can't control content against the algorithm. I don't want Vtuber content; yet there's no way to stop it, YT will continually suggest it regardless of how many times you block a channel or tell them you're not interested in the video. I'm fine with other people loving that content, but there should be a simple way to tell the system what we do or don't want. (I also don't care about sports, but that was strangely easy to show YT and it never came back.)
We all know you love vtubers, you got a whole series of reactions to theRussianbadger
I just finished that video a second ago
4:57 Also sidenote but Skullgirls ost mentioned?!
Love your content.
3:19 oh no, *anyways*
Why would people hate Ironmouse? She's entertaining and angry. Perfection.
Ironmouse is a SWEETHEART. Who TF has hatred for that girl?
Protecc out gremlins, out the hate
23:58 I appreciate the points you make, because they really add to explaining how ridiculous the logic of the haters are.
But come on, you must be pausing on these kind of frames on purpose 😂
people need to understand that its ok to not like something but be a adult about it not a 5 year old. also what ever happened to not everything needs your 2 cents? come on people just walk away sometimes.
I seen the original. So i really surprised this popping up as much as it does
Yeah the situation really is out of hand. Not a fan of IronMouse, but doesn' mean one needs to hate on someone just because you don't like them either. Kinda wish that the people who do enjoy jumping on the vitriolical hate train had gotten the understanding of that old buddhist saying; "Holding onto hate is like drinking poison, in the hopes that the other person dies".
Soo can somebody plis give me a perfect context 😭I saw the full video and didn’t get it to perfection 😭
My name IS my eternall screaming 😐
Alicia is very wholesome and a little insane, very based.
Its sad to see it, it really is.
I don't hate on the internet, cuz I'm normal. I just don't fully understand influencers with zero knowledge about the real world having the opportunity to influence. It's kinda scary when you don't know how smart or virtuous the person you're watching really is 💀
I was seeing this video go around a few times, but I never knew it was actually this bad. Sheesh.
18:12 Guy kinda looks like Charles leclerc, That's a bit offensive to charles but
I can say this, I feel bad for Mouse going to Tik Tok since it's a site that is somehow even more toxic and hateful than TH-cam is. It is so hateful that when Onision returned (again) online he tried to do Tik Tok and actually argued with his chat many times and felt he was more hated there despite the fact nobody there knows who he is.
The ignorance of the uneducated will be the undoing of our species.
Alicia chillzone crossover when????
Those people can't call themselves Kai Cenaat fans or supporters because he openly supports her. Even if he didn't what makes them think he would like it.
I watch aliciaxdeath, Paws, and Rosiebellmoo. Used to watch Nuxanor until he fell for Ethan's meltdown and lies (if you're more aligned with Destiny, you dont have good opinions. And you're even more of a moron if you fell for what they put out without ever watching the original videos/fact checking).
For some reason i thought he would actually exercise critical thinking and not fall for Ethan's "everyone is mean to me because I'm Jewish". (Even though Ethan's own fans call it out)
Ethan? Who's that, im out of the loop
@TheGoldenJay637 Ethan Klein lol. He's been losing it. He acts like he's not aligned with Destiny but he clearly goes through their subreddit or gets info from there. Ethan has been going on this tirade on how Hasan is allowing antisemitism and his only "proof" is he interviewed a Yemeni teen Ethan accused of being a Houthi. The evidence? Ethan said he's lying about not being a Houthi. What did the "Houthi" do? Made an anti-zionist post. Ethan claims 90% of Jews (not just in Israel, all) are Zionists and constantly conflates Zionism and Judaism.
If you saw any "Hasan is a terrorist supporter or antisemitic" sentiments anywhere, it came from Ethan and Destiny's smear campaigns lol. Fun fact Ethan has a wife who was in the IDF, has horrible things about Orthodox Jews himself, and Destiny openly defends Israel and the genocide.
@TheGoldenJay637 The terrorism accusation came from him showing 10 seconds of a musical made by some anti-israel group I think. He said something like "aren't they good dancers" and people took it seriously. In the full video he was explaining the conflict and why they exist. But Destiny took a 15 second clip and acted like he was blindly praising violence and trying to brainwash Nick (nmplol).
I think the entire hating stems from people hating to see someone else being successful while they have nothing going on in their own lives. Basically "How dare you be successful, while I have to scrape at the bottom of the barrel!". And instead of putting in the effort to change their situation for the better and become successful themselfs (in whatever area), they would rather spend hours writing hate-paragraphs (without any ragard to the targeted individuals struggles and sacrifices) online, because it is so much easier than getting your a*s up and do something productive.
I'm subbed to a TH-camr that on the rare occasion that his fanbase acts up, he'll make a video, or talk about it in the next upload of a related video and it feels awful. It felt like disappointing your sweet dad, and I didn't even do anything wrong. It's very effective. I wonder if he can teach classes on it to other TH-camrs that have toxic fanbases, but he's probably too modest for that.
I only correct others when it’s obviously necessary, lmao.
Most I do is comment about how much I like something or how handsome the content creator is (WINK WINK)
I admit when I first got twitter I did 100 posts or reposts but thankfully I'm not a .... and I just wanted to make friends and any new recommendations for posts or people I follow and repost but nowadays I just stay away from twitter and only look around every now and then but yeah this is pretty sad. If I had to say people doing that are pathetic just saying anyone that disagrees I'll gladly discuss it with you and I do speak for Vtubers I'm friends with and talk to but I really do hope this all blows over soon because yeah this entire situation is based on plain stupidity and it needs to stop or recent things recently I hate it. And sry for no punctuation I'm trying to type as fast as I can before heading out to do thanksgiving shopping so happy thanksgiving!!
I'm just like, who are all these people.
Where's Daryl talks games 😢
Man i swear to god alicia alwasy appear in the most random video i watch
Like Connor said, it is a hard time to live for anyone. But ... like the Riddler from the "new" Batman said ... hurt people hurt people. It's a sad cycle.
Very happy for alicia, having her channel restored. Been watching her since her Honkai Impact 3rd days. As for SmugFox, despite her going down that brain rot path of red pill-esque to anti wokey type videos. Personally I prefer to watch vtubers be kawaii, be happy and shit not enter the real world brain rot crap I heard countless of times to the point I can recite something they’ve said over something from the bible 😂 But for stuff like that I’ll watch creators like you, Aba and Preach, etc to hear your inputs but yeah, she’s cool. I do watch other vtubers like kson, dokibird, chibidoki, aquwa etc.
As for ironmouse, thing is Kai is cool. Hes not the type to lash out over dumb reasons unless someone gives him a reason to like Ninja who threw shots, basically dude was hurt that Kai passed him and didn’t give Kai his flowers so threw shots. It wasn’t a good look. At least with Ironmouse and Kai, they gave each other respect for passing a record over the other. And yet, somehow this triggered an attack on not just ironmous but vtubers in general. Typical Xitter or just the internet, no generational hate BS applied. Anyone from any gen can be stupid. If you believe it’s just a Gen Z only thing, then get offline and go meet more people 😒
8:31 coz some ppl get flak too by defending their friends, and these ppl are, imo, too sensitive and will explode when they got flak'd
These people are literally watching people do things that they could be doing, but then say, "How can you can you watch this," I mean, how can you watch the creator you like watching. These people genuinely need to touch grass and get some sunlight. They probably wouldn't be so depressed all the time considering just getting even 10 minutes of sunlight can negate a lot of major parts of depression.
Huh. I watch both Smog Alono and Alicia. Neat
Alana!
0:30 coz the three of you at least reacted to TheRussianBafger and Internet Historian at least 😂😂😂
27:55 case and point, Sinder. Ima be so real, she’s just as pretty as her model, it is insane.
One of the new Hololive DEV_IS girls is one of Japan's most famous models too
I'm not a VTuber myself, nor do I know that many on a personal level, but from doing a bit of digging and listening to the Tubers themselves, it's my non-educated guess that VTubers have the avatars they do because of anonymity, playing a character to their respective audience, or sociodigital safety reasons. Hell, to some it may be because of all three.
My point is, regardless of whether it's a real person sitting in front of the webcam, or they have an avatar to cover their face... At the end of the day, it's still a human being!
Contrary to the hater's belief, most VTubers DON'T have an avatar because "Guhuh, marketable fetishism". It's simply because they either don't feel comfortable showing themselves, or it's for another arbitrary reason that's their own business, and not any of the haters'. And for f*cks' sake, Ironmouse is diagnosed with an immunodisruptive disorder that has her bedridden essentially 24/7. Out of all the VTubers to hate on, people target the woman who arguably deserves it the least out of anyone on Earth.
In any case, the hate that Ironmouse has gotten because "oh, she didn't deserve the award cuz VTuber", rings as nothing but hot air to me. On the contrary, she deserves nothing but all the love, respect, and kindness her fans, friends and collaborators have given her.
V Tubers Is Really Cool, Really Fun And Really Entertaining To Watch
Yeah, but Bluesky just went to hell too. Harrasment sucks.
28:00 literally would get these allegations DESTROYED, i vote for jack vtuber
Smuglana❤ my favo Vtuber