How Netflix Lost Our Trust (And How They Can Get it Back)
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Netflix has been canceling shows left and right for YEARS now, from The Warrior Nun to The OA. But does that have an impact on how people view them overall? Probably! In this video, I try to identify the problem and even throw out a few possible solutions.
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Honestly don’t think I could have worded it better than Drew did. I now refuse to start a show on Netflix until I see that it’s already in its final season or it’s confirmed to be in production 😂
You can't even trust that. They canceled the final season of Glow mid production, and never aired what they shot.
@@robertwild9447 wow, I never got into Glow but that’d have been the final straw I’d something like that happened to a show I liked
@@robertwild9447 Glow was forgivable because it was cancelled due to COVID (and a show based around wrestling is the absolute worst case scenario for it), though Inside Job's second season did get canned mid production, so there's that.
I remember when Netflix first started OITNB was confirmed for Season 2 before Season 1 was even airing.
And then later, I think House of Cards was renewed for like 2 seasons at once.
There was a time where Netflix committed to longer time investments with projects. I think back then, they also had less shows to promote and track (and original content was so rare and popular!)>
@@severeerror52 inside job was the first animated show I enjoyed In years... I was actually mad about it getting canned. Especially because a lot of people liked it. Makes no sense... Fuck netflix lol
Their cancelling of Inside Job is what did it for me. A popular show they actually DID renew, then for some reason known only to them, changed their mind about. My favorite new show, and one of their few good adult-oriented animated shows. Instead, they decided to spend their money on season 7 of Big Mouth... ugh.
I still like Big Mouth, and they gave it a many year renewal a while ago before a lot of this, but this is glaring example. Inside Job can NOT have been an expensive show and still got the ax.
Inside Job is what broke me. I got invested in the characters and was looking forward to how the relationship between characters was going to evolve only to have the rug snatched from under the fans.
I was going to watch Inside Job too, but since it's canceled, I'm not going to be bothered.
And it was so fucking funny!
THIS ONE ☝🏾
Netflix is very much the epitome of the saying "can't see the forest for the trees".
They are so beholden to their algorithm. They want a big network/forest, so they want big shows/trees. But their algorithm keeps telling them to cut down their trees because they won't be big enough, but you can't have a forest if you cut down all but the 3 or 4 big trees.
I saw a tweet from Netflix announcing a new original animated series called Jentry Chau vs. the Underworld, and roughly 90% of the replies were, "This looks really cool; too bad Netflix will kill it after one season." I'll watch it just to support original shows (which are becoming rare these days), but I don't expect it to last. Netflix has betrayed their userbase way too many times. Inside Job was a really popular animated series they killed way too soon, so a lot of people don't trust Netflix anymore.
I genuinely never understood why Netflix kept sticking with the binge model for new releases. Weekly releases are a great way to keep sustained interest and discussion around your show, whereas releasing everything in a big chunk will make it so a sizable chunk of your viewers actively stay away from discussions because they haven’t finished watching it yet.
Nah they are very articial and just feel like they're dragging things out. Besides binging works for shows that are more serialiezed.
Binging is their motto..always will be
honestly i agree, although it’s quite annoying waiting for a new episode of the mandalorian once a week, it’s so good for staying in the conversation and talking to friends who are watching as well
I think their attitude is that "discourse" is over-rated and that the vast majority of their viewers aren't reading weekly re-caps and the like and would rather just have all the episodes conveniently ready to watch at their own pace.
Their shows aren't strong enough for it. The draw isn't there to make effort and return, just to passively remain.
The worst case you didn’t discuss was the ironically titled, “I’m not ok with this” - the show ends right as she discovers she has powers, we didn’t get to find out what happened afterwards
I loved that show! Was heartbroken when I found out it got cancelled 😢
That one really hurt especially because it was initially renewed for a second season and then they changed their mind and cancelled it
This was the cancellation that made me write off all Netflix shows. Sure, there were other shows I liked that got cancelled but this one infuuuuuriated me.
Yep one of the most disastrous cancellations and such a great show while it lasted.
That was a damn good show
That they canceled 1899 was offensive... It's even sad to think that if Dark was released on current Netflix, it would probably also be cancelled.
It looked good... but I didn't watch it because I wanted to know a second season was coming.
They canceled it because of poor viewer numbers - because viewers weren't interested in a show that might be canceled, leading it to be canceled. Netflix are their own worst enemy.
1899 was overhyped nonsense that felt it didn't go anywhere. One of the rare occasions cancellation was right.
1899 was the big neon sign that something is wrong with the Netflix model. Take creators of a hit, know that its 3 arcs across 3 seasons, produce a great first season, and then cancel it out of no where.
@@manicdan481 It's not just a problem with the audience. If I were a showrunner, why would I trust Netflix after I've seen what they've done with 1899?
After they cancelled 1899 knowing the people who make Dark take three seasons to tell their stories, i definitely agree with the title of this video
Me, after they cancelled 1899: "Hastings, I'm in your walls."
Netflix is digging their own grave. If we get the password sharing ban in my country and my sisters (different) country, we’ll definitely cancel right away.
We have agreed the same thing here in the UK with our family. We use our daughter’s subscription and she lives in a different town. In return she shares our passwords for a couple of others. We all decided, if Netflix tries that crap on us, they’re gone and I’ll set up a Disney subscription for my daughters to share. Netflix’s movie quality is uniformly terrible, when it comes to franchises from outside their own stable. Has a movie just been released that got panned by the critics and flopped at the box office? THAT is what Netflix will be screening in two weeks, GUARANTEED. Invested in a TV series and want to see how it ends? CANCELLED! Want to share your pain with family members? PAY MORE OR WATCH ADVERTS! Wait? Watch ads? That’s why we PAY for streaming services in the first place! To get away from adverts!
It is clear that Netflix has no respect for their customers, and no care for the quality of their output. They DO love MONEY and they WORSHIP their f*cking ALGORITHM like a god! And in their blind rush to get inside your wallet, they’ve abandoned any relationship with the public, all attempts at positive PR and any pretence of artistic integrity or quality control. I actually HATE Netflix now, and I used to like them.
I think a lot of people in the wealthier western countries will abandon Netflix if they try this now. We only use it very occasionally now, but it’s more a case of not bothering to delete the app than caring whether they up and vanished into a puff of smoke one day.
Wow! . . . That was a bit of rant, wasn’t it? I feel better now. Thanks for your patience. ✌️
Yup.
The price point is completely unwarranted, considering they throw away money on big stars to make stupid action movies literally no one asked for while also cancelling any show before they even get any traction.
@@Zeppelinschaffner22 : Ah yes, I’d almost forgotten their squandering mountains of cash on forgettable action movies that literally no one wants for their collections, or can even remember the title of. You’re just left asking, “Why?” Tax dodging maybe? But the very reason I’d forgotten these movies is because they’re SO forgettable.
Yeah, I'll go back to torrents for any netflix show that's worth watching if they do that
@@ashroskell Don't also forget they are wasting resources developing games. Those things costs money to make right? Why not focus on the reason why they exists: Streaming tv and movie!
I would love to see a Netflix ad that was apologetically self aware, like: “…here comes another cringey adult animated comedy you won’t watch!”, “…another terrible rom com we will make a trilogy out of!”, “…enjoy a mystery show we’ll cancel before you even get a chance to know it existed!”
Santa Clarita Diet is one that still gets me. Right as Joel became a zombie, the romance started to pay off and we just started to get answers as to what the hell was going on. They canned the shows.
I stopped trusting Netflix originals after getting burned by SCD.
This
Yep, this is the one that really burned me
yeah that was my turning point for not trusting Netflix anymore too 😢
I bawled my eyes out cuz s4 was set up to be the best yet.
I've been angry at Netflix for cancelling shows earlier, but the cancellation of 1899 this January made me furious. They KNEW they had competent showrunners and writers who previously hade made (according to me) one of, if not the best, shows ever, Dark, and the butcherd 1899 after one season. They knew these were people who had planned out a longer story in the same sense they made Dark, three seasons, planned out in advanced, and we did not get the whole story. That was the last drop for me.
I think the worst part is that in the same month, they decided to renew this show called Mo.
Now let me get this clear (or to fill in if you haven't watched the show yet), Mo is actually amazing. It's co-created by Ramy Youssef and is definitely one of the best shows in Netflix's catalogue but what was frustrating is that it got renewed five months after it's release. Meanwhile, 1899 got canned a month and a half after it's release that coincided with both the FIFA World Cup as well as the releases of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever _and_ Wednesday. Bo and Jantje literally got fucking hoed in every possible way with how Netlfix treated 1899. 😭
Exactly. I didn't find Dark until about a year after it was released and loved it. Watched all three seasons. Expecting people to immediately watch new shows or they get cancelled is so shortsighted.
100% agreed. Another thing is that even with the binge model, a show needs to have time to gain traction. It needs time for people to discover it and start watching. Netflix has a problem with discoverability too, something I feel is a huge factor into why so many shows get cancelled. There are just so many shows vying for attention, and often I'll be watching one of their own shows while they already want me to watch another, then announcing cancellation. Streaming also used to mean being able to watch anytime, but slowly Netflix has started to guilt-tripping into wanting viewers to 'watch now'. Cancelling a show before it gains traction is like calling a race before many have even left the starting line.
It's just weird that Netflix doesn't seem to be looking at its own data. Because the shows that get the most consistently high streaming numbers are the long running one like The Office, Friends, 30 Rock, Parks & Rec, etc. Even more niche shows like Stargate, Babylon 5, Star Trek get good consistent viewership despite not being huge hits. Heck, Netflix paid like $500 million to get the streaming rights to Seinfeld.
It's so disappointing that Netflix isn't preparing itself for the long term. If they can make a long running show that consistently gets high viewership like The Office, then they wouldn't have to pay hundreds of millions to license them out from other studios.
They don't want that steady, but long term success. They want that big, breakout hit that dominates the conversation NOW.
Which is short sighted and stupid, but I have no way else to explain why they do what they do.
@@stephaniewozny3852 Because capitalism is short sighted and their investors want to see a boost in subscribers now.
Getting the rights to Seinfeld was probably a better investment than the equivalent cost of however many failed shows it would take to match that.
"Just make several new the office's. Its simple as that 😃"
That's the thing, they don't care about the data or long term gains. The only metric they care about is new subscribers and if a show doesn't bring in enough new subscribers then they can it.
I’m still disappointed how Netflix treated their animation department like nothing lately. Animation is one the most important and unique art forms in the entertainment industry. It’s a beautiful medium with so much potential. And Netflix simply doesn’t care.
We lost Jeff Smith’s Bone, Lauren Faust’s Toil and Trouble, Wings of Fire, Boons and Curses, Ember (From the creators of Klaus) and Inside Job. And for what? For more reality shows, movies like 365 Days and shows like Big Mouth?
Not getting bone is tragic. It is so unbelievably perfect for a cartoon just get a bunch of animators copies of the book and give them as much time as they need and it could be huge. That atmosphere and world and charm of bone is so endearing it really would make for a perfect cartoon
I’m super grateful Castlevania was able to do a full run. It’s a miracle it turned out so well to begin with, let alone being able to complete the story without getting axed.
I was personally burned by Dark Crystal's cancelation. I will never forgive Netflix for that one.
You have my Dual Glaive, one of the very few times I've felt genuinely bummed.
That one and the OA are the two that really bummed me out
That show is an absolute spectacle in animation and fantasy, really hope they can continue telling stories in Thra sooner rather than later.
I was so hyped for that and fell off Did it end in a cliffhanger?!
It was expensive to produce, and nobody watched it. So, I get it. But Bone? Bojack Horseman? Sense8? *_Daredevil?!_*
The fact that everyone has at least one show that they were upset to see got cancelled says a lot. For me, I Am Not Okay With This, The Society, Santa Clarita Diet, Daybreak, and Inside Out were shows that I actually enjoyed a lot, and it sucked to see them just end unceremoniously.
The Society for me :(
@@mystic0screams what is wrong with cable tv and video stores to watch movies ?
Daybreak was so great
Final space
Santa Clarita was great
The "8 hour movie" point is what really gets me with a lot of these shows. There are shows I liked but never watched again after the initial pass through, because they didn't stand up in isolation. Whereas I'll rewatch episodes of others every now and again, even things like The Good Place which were quite serialised, because episodes could stand on their own amongst the broader plot progression.
Yes and Crazy Ex Girlfriend. These are like the few I rewatch
The first time a Netflix cancellation really hurt was Sense8 but at least we were given some sort of conclusion there even if it was incredibly rushed. The one that just felt pointless and unjustified was Julie and the Phantoms. It was a cute tween sitcom that definitely didn't cost much to produce yet they cancelled it despite incredibly enthusiastic audience reception and critical acclaim.
So true. It was at this Time (sense8 annulation then last Season because of all the social pression) that i lost any trust in their decision too.
Julie ATP was a waste of good ideas... It still has everything to be a futur must (like HSM back in time) :x
My sister & her friend was upset that Julie & the phantoms got cancelled
To this day, I still haven't forgiven Netflix for canceling Bone, the books are great and they deserved a series after going through so many companies and development hell
Preach, plus Jeff Smith will probably never give the right to anyone again after this whole fiasco
Bone is one of the few examples that made me mad... the author is well off, he does not 'need' a show, but all of us do.
I heard the reason why it was cancelled was similar to why it was cancelled over at Nickeleodean and Warner Bros. So its less of a netflix problem with why Bone cant find a home and more of an industry issue
I'm mad at them about that too. I cancelled Netflix in 2020 since I watched everything there I was interested
in and I wanted to start a Hulu subscription since the reboot of Animaniacs was about to start. It's 2023 and I'm
still happy with Hulu. I had been planning to go back to Netflix after a few years but as soon as I heard they canceled
Bone, I changed my plans. Hulu has enough cartoons and anime for me to be happy. Cartoons and anime are all I
watched on Netflix. Besides a couple seasons of Stranger Things. I started losing interest during the third season.
Seeing you give a shoutout to unknown TH-camrs like Drew Gooden warms my heart
😂
he has 3 million subscribers
It’s for this very reason that I prefer shows that are of a limited series nature. There’s no room to cancel a show like that, plus I get the full story and don’t have to wait a year to see how the story progresses. I’ve been burnt by Netflix enough to get too invested in shows they put out.
I will always mourn Sense8 and Daredevil. And technically, Bojack Horseman was also cancelled. They just had the luxury of being told in advance so they could figure out how to wrap up the show.
The cancellation of Mindhunter was shocking. It was one of the best show they had on that platform.
It was woke bs
I’m not into week to week personally. But I am tired of Netflix canceling everything. I agree and prefer that they just make less shows so they would have a better chance of some longevity instead of what they’re doing now. I was literally having this conversation with my dad the other day. About the irony of them canceling everything when they used to be known as the police to go save shows. 😅
Now they're the police shooting all these young, innocent shows.
@@pressxtojason apologies for the typo. 😂 I was using my phone. I meant to say place. 😅
Sense 8 being cancelled was the one that made me absolutely heartbroken I know we got the finale movie but it wasn't satisfying because it was rushed
It needed another true season to compete the arc, that movie felt incredibly rushed for the sake of just giving closure.
I heard people were crushed by the cancellation of FIREFLY....
mine was FLASH FORWARD... it had potential!!!! SENSE 8 was said to be good, I need to watch that!
Flash Forward was serialized... so it really preceded the modern netflix trend
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd flash forward had an amazing concept and never got the chance to fully gain traction.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd
Did you ever read the novel FlashForward? It didn't end on a cliffhanger like the show and had a proper bonkers conclusion. I liked it a lot. Highly recommend. It was pretty short too.
With cinema and television dying
The streaming takes over
And even that is dying out
The OA was one of the most intriguing and fresh ideas for a show I had seen in a long time. Gutted it was canceled after the huge cliff hanger in season 2. What a waste.
Same!
I truly can't agree more! I'll never stop being upset about this
I didn't like OA at first but watching season 2 made watching season one worth it. They were taking the show Into some truly Interesting directions. I really wanted to know what they were going to do next.
As a massive fan of Netflix's Dark, I was so pissed that they canceled 1899 within 2 weeks of its release. I loved the multilingual elements and I had full faith in the directors to tie up all loose ends like they did in Dark. Sadly it now looks like we'll never know.
The whole ‘no stand out single episode’ thing had occurred to me before but one thing I’m seeing now is that, with television, you had to grab the attention of folks who had stumbled across the channel. Whereas, with Netflix, you have to keep people clicking ‘next episode’.
it's agonizing at this point. Netflix took a full summer to decide whether they were going to renew The Sandman, and it almost made me regret watching it in fear that a show I loved so much was going to be cancelled.
OMG! The wait for that announcement was slow torture. I stopped watching Netflix original series because I don't want to invest the time and energy into something they're going to cancel. I feared for Sandman's future.
I have a love-hate relationship with Netflix. I hate that they keep canceling shows that I invest my time in, but Netflix is one of the only popular streaming services that has original shows outside of America. As an aspiring writer living outside of America, it has always been inspiring to see shows like Lupin, Squid Game, and Money Heist be able to reach people around the world. Hoping Netflix figures it's shit out or we get another international service.
This! And btw, some, if no most of their best content are the international ones but most people don't watch because 1-netflix don't promote and 2- the language.
I feel the same as you. I want Netflix to do well. When we will ever have another new more independent company able to compete with Disney who owns everything. It's so good to see things beeing done in so many country's, and have access to productions from India to Iceland. It's a shame they're killing themselves
I'll never forgive Netflix for canceling The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, and right after it won an Emmy too!. The care and artistry that went into it had me feeling as spellbound as I was watching the original.
truly!! especially them making a behind the scenes about the creation of all the puppets. citing budget issues is so bullshit, how many new puppets and sets do you really need?? you've made 70% of your work already!!
Age of Resistance was the best show on the service, in my opinion. Netflix paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
Great video, I remember being outraged by ‘Friends from College’ - two seasons with a big cliff hanger at the end of season 2 then cancelled. I agree with other commenters about not watching a show unless someone’s confirmed that it has an actual ending
Totally forgot about that show! I enjoyed it too.
That library metaphor is extremely apt. So many people have been burned and the competition is too fierce now for them to turn the ship around, IMO.
Too many people have lost faith & the company’s name is not really thought of when you’re talking about quality product.
I think this is one of the reason's Wednesday and The Sandman did so well. It told a single contained story that worked so well. Yes, they had great stories, but they work as single contained seasons, that can be rewatched and enjoyed.
Could not agree more. I just can't be bothered with Netflix anymore, not only does it suck to have your new favourite show be cancelled, but, there is so much on there it's difficult, no impossible to keep up. Also I'm still feeling the sting from The OA cancellation. 😢
Yeah, the cancellation of The OA still hurts. I rewatch it sometimes, trying to understand why. I can't see it. This show was amazing, so well written. Netflix should give it at least another season.
I Couldn’t have said this better. I have stopped watching new shows and wait and let the seasons build up and to see if there is an actual ending. I’m fed up investing my time in a show only to find I’m left without the ending. After all I wouldn’t buy a book if the last two chapters were missing. it’s the same with shows. If production companies have to cancel a show at least and I believe they owe it to fans of the show to end it probably not just leave us hanging. Unfortunately it is not just Netflix that does this other streaming services do it to as does terrestrial TV.
the thing about other streaming service and tv they do cancel shows but there shows don't always end at a cliffhanger that's why it doesn't hurt to watch on other platforms where as 90% of Netflix cancelled shows always end on a cliffhanger.
We've come up against financial issues, like thousands of other people, and when looking for things to cut Netflix was top of the list. It's crazy that what used to be our personal number 1, the service we kept through everything else, was the first to go.
Whenever Netflixs cancellation problem is talked about, I always am surprised how little The Get Down gets brought up. The show had HUGE potential and yes I understand it was expensive but I would've guaranteed that with time, it would've been a MASSIVE hit. When it premiered twitter was talking about it HEAVILY and was constantly being talked about offline too. I think that was one of the first shows where netflix broke my heart. Sincerely an OA fan
09:32 "Not every show is gonna be a Stranger Things or Squid Game level hit"... funny you say that, because The OA or even Glow were big hits in their first season... awesome video, I thought about all this for a while, the amount of shows they've canceled in the last few years is staggering and the recent Archive 81 really left me with a sour taste... all those clues and details in a mistery box show were for nothing... but then I also think a few years back when they canceled something like Sense8, or Mindhunter... that excitement we had around Netflix shows is totally gone, it's only very low bar content now, I think it has also something to do with the fact that when you kick out great directors/authors like The Wachowskys, David Fincher... these artists will think twice before doing a multi season level story with you. In fact, there's no big directors on the platform anymore... and it shows.
Would love to get your take on the strengths and weaknesses of more serialized vs more episodic shows, and which shows used each structure best. For example, you mentioned the X-files, which I always felt did much better with stand-alone episodes rather than ones that tied into the overarching plot.
Santa Clarita Diet is what did it for me. Absolutely loved the show, and got partway through what turned out to be the final season when I learned it had been canceled. I stopped watching the remainder at that point and never finished it, knowing that it ends on an unresolved cliffhanger.
The cancellation of Glow and Mindhunter made me give up on Netflix. I don't even try new Netflix originals anymore because I don't expect them to go anywhere other than the garbage bin.
I really will never understand why Julie and the Phantoms got canceled. It had a decent fan base, people were making merch for the show on Etsy, tiktok accounts and cosplays, etc. I know if they had done a concert tour like they planned for I believe after season 2. And they would not sell Kenny Ortega the rights which just did not make any sense to me at all (like if you don’t want the show anyway then why would you not want to sell it).
I would be happy if they gave every show that reached e.g. 85% of what was needed for a revival one last half-season and those that'd reach 70% a final special episode or something. It's honestly getting stressful becoming invested in these shows you half-expect will end on a cliffhanger that'll haunt you for eternity.
What really gets me about the Archive 81 cancellation was that the show reportedly did quite well when it aired and yet Netflix cancelled it a couple months after the first season dropped
One of the other issues with the serialized, mystery-box, multi-season show that never gets past Season 1 (this issue goes toward the writers as opposed to Netflix) is that the writers are hoping they'll improve enough as a writer over the course of multiple seasons to write a decent ending to their story. It's far easier to end on a cliffhanger than it is to satisfyingly answer all the questions and end the story. The writers of these shows often start out as simply being not talented enough to pull that off.
As an author myself (deep in writing a multibook series), I can completely relate to this issue, it's very real.
I’m actually in the same situation. The series of books I’m writing feed off one another but what’s crucial in my planning is each book needs to tell a complete story even though there are returning elements and sequel hooks in each. If I stopped writing after the first tale then the characters I initially presented still had an enjoyable arc. The second one had new characters but also familiar elements from the first tale and so forth. The fourth one did require some knowledge from the third but otherwise I have endeavored to keep them largely self-contained with a complete story told in each book. This model I used was very much informed by what I dislike about the current state of over serialized television and film.
It's the Lost mentality, we'll think of something down the line.
I think this isn't a writer-specific problem since current executives are so utterly obssessed with franchise potential that even Glass Onion had to be branded as "A Knives Out Mystery", they couldn't even go for a more subdued "A Benoit Blanc Mystery", no, they had to jam the title of another movie right onto the new one...
Writers may have to inflate their own story instead of commiting to it as it stands due to the fear of being passed by these executives, food for thought, but just how many Mini-series are launched per year and how many of them have already established names within their teams?
An example would be HBO's Watchmen, the show just finished telling the story it wanted, but without Damon Lindelof or even the legacy of the Comic Book it sort of it's a sequel to, I doubt they would've allowed such a thing.
Of course, this doesn't apply to everyone and there are very real cases of the obviously planned as multi-season shows that end within one season, like 2019's Swamp Thing, for some reason the writers couldn't control themselves and kept jamming new characters onto the last chapters merely to build hype into expanding the universe despite undermining the narrative at play...
This is true, but then you have to be careful not to lose track of the themes, mood, and direction you were going with in the earlier installments lest the audience be left with a feeling of; “How the heck did we get to where we are?” It’s good to have an ending in mind for your story to work towards, even if it’s not very specific at first.
@@Natediggetydog the other thing is if things go on a long while the person with the original vision may move on or be over ruled.
Weekly releases work so much better, as it allows those water cooler moments where anticipation is built, fan theorise online, and new viewers have a chance to jump in and catch up before a season finale.
When it’s all dumped out in one go, it really stifles talk around them, and leave viewers in a ‘I’ll get round to it’ mentality.
A few of my friends are into Stranger Things, but our conversations were either ‘I haven’t watched it all yet’, or ‘yeah it was good’ and that’s all they have to offer because it’s hard to remember more than a few standout moments when you’ve slammed 8 hours in one go.
On the other hand, we were all less so into Westworld, but would talk continuously about each episode and what we thought was happening.
Essentially, weekly releases keep hype and buzz going for a good couple of months, rather than a couple of weeks, and surely Netflix would benefit from people staying subbed for longer...
I think daily release is the best. I've read it somewhere. Also that's how I like to watch.
@@PtrkHrnk Torchwood’s (the Dr Who spinoff) 3rd season back in 2010, was a 5 episode mini-series that aired at 9pm Monday through Friday, and was billed as a week long event. Everyone got into it, and the episodes are the highest rated of the entire 4 seasons.
Imagine if Stranger Things dropped its first episode on on a Saturday or Sunday, then one each day ending on the following Sunday? Spaced out enough for people to keep up, but condensed enough for people not to loose interest, but you could also save them and binge on the finale weekend if you wanted. Easier to avoid spoilers for a week than a couple of months 👍
Throw this line of thinking in the bin. Weekly releases are ancient cloying garbage.
The fact that I haven't even heard of most of the shows mentioned here, says something. Unless I'm actively seeking things out, I have no idea these shows exist. People binge them in a week or two, then they get canceled.
I don't think I'll ever stop yearning for a world in which Julie and the Phantoms never got cancelled
When it comes to streaming shows, Netflix may be the worst at continuing shows that people liked. They just cancel at the shows with cliffhanger endings of Story Driven Animated Series.
RIP Inside Job and Dead End Paranormal Park.
Warrior nun and the Dark Crystal Age of Resistance is what did it for me. I called my netflix sub over age of resistance
You showed a lot of the one that broke me, Archive 81. That was it, I had enough. It was not only great but ends on the kind of cliffhanger that reminded me of HBO's Carnival. The other one I will never, ever forgive. I refuse to watch any series on Netflix anymore, it's not worth the heartbreak.
same, Archive 81's cancellation really left me angry
I was excited to see 1899 but knew I would not get around to it right away. I loved Dark and was very interested in this new show and it has been canceled before I could even start the show.
yeah, they released it and like 2 weeks later cancelled 2nd season... Insane.
@@thenewkhan4781 I hate how Netflix constantly cancels their sci fi shows. The cancellation of The OA really hurt.
Personally, it was daybreak. Phenomenal show. Got cancelled after one season.
I think that having literally a dumpster filled with murdered kids in a school,tanked the chances of the show being renewed. Excellent idea,great concept for an apocalypse show but, not much interest in keep it going.
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SAME!! I loved that show, litterally still pisses me off that it got cancelled.
I really hope Netflix takes your advice and steps up its game. It has so much potential that I'd rather not see wasted.
Nope, let them burn
I get the bad feeling that instead of going the problem is we are upsetting too many fans they will blame some other factor when number head the wrong way.
Dayseekers, Archive 81, and (even though i didn't think I'd like it) Warrior Nun were all such great shows! I was so excited to see what was going to happen in the next season. How naïve i was at the time.
I’ve realized I’m a fan of a 2-3
Episode premiere drop and then weekly after. Enough to grab my interest and watch week to week.
However, I was so upset when they cancelled Warrior Nun. Netflix dumped it in the middle of Wednesday and The Crown knowing it was going to be cancelled. That hurt even more.
Archive 81 was a solid hit and they cancelled it on a massive cliffhanger! It was gaining viewers every week.
I think one of the issues, which you touched upon, was the binge model.
With an 8+ episode binge model, you're incentivized to make one long movie that is roughly cut up into chapters rather than 8+ narratives that have some beginning, middle, and end while still maintaining an overall narrative.
One potential problem is that this model encourages bloated, mystery box shows that can be poorly paced or introduce exposition at an incorrect rate. When you have a serialized TV show, you generally have to make sure that your episode ending has an actual ending. It's not to say that you can't have cliff hangers but that not every episode is a cliff hanger.
Of course, you can have binge TV that does this model really well, in the same way that you can have serial television that is overly episodic. But the more that one explores only one type of release strategy, the more than these flaws come to light.
When you're watching a binge Netflix show, then you have to commit to the whole season, or else you'll like miss a good chunk of the narrative. Contrast this to some of the better serial television, and the pilot episode usually has to have enough narrative sustenance to make you interested in the show while keeping you filled until the next episode.
Every time I like a show they cancel it... every... single... time...
I'm not watching anything they do ever again until the show has run its course of full 5-6 seasons with a proper ending.
Jupiter’s Legacy. It was actually the number one show on Netflix and they canceled it on the season ending cliffhanger. I read the comic book so I knew what was going to happen in the story. I just wanted to see how they would adapt to television. I was really enjoying it.
cancelling JL was a unanimous decision by the creator and NF
not surprised it was not renewed. it was kinda subpar as a superhero show against shows like the boys and loki.
I think you're right about shows that have an episodic "backbone". You can still have a serialized story but with tons of smaller adventures as well, allowing for individual episodes to work as satisfying narratives. This way years after a show was released people can go back and watch these episodes, even if the show was cancelled and the main story didn't get an ending. With these eight hour movies, however, because it's entirely serialized the only way to watch the show is to view it all the way from start to finish. Because of this you have to have an ending for the show, or else there's no point in watching it.
The Last Kingdom was very smart in it's "season finale" approach, as the last episode of each season closed all of the main storylines started at that season, without much of a cliffhanger. Of course some bits were here and there, but as something you could foresee, so if the show got suddenly canceled, at the least the conclusion would be satisfactory
The Last Kingdom is genuinely a Netflix miracle. The fact that the show completed a 5 season run along with a movie finale blows my mind given how it was barely marketed. One of my favorite shows of all time. So glad it got a complete story and finished Cornwell's saga.
Years of my calling out Netflix’s bullshit, it’s nice to see the rest of the world catching on!
At this point I kinda want a fanfic-like system where I can filter out incomplete shows. I just can't get invested in these abandoned projects anymore.
Santa Clarita Diet was the biggest hit for me, followed that show by binging every season the day it came out, sucks that it ended on a cliffhanger with no real resolution
That was the nail in the coffin for me. I canceled after that.
I really enjoyed 1899, but wasn't terribly surprised that it was cancelled. Both HBO and Netflix seem to have contempt for scripted dramas now. I know it has a lot to do with the changes in company leadership and the frantic desire to generate profits over maintaining customer loyalty and quality productions.
I know one other way Netflix can get our trust back. Sell the streaming rights to Cuties back to the federal government of France so it can investigate every adult who made that trash and filmed five kids in the inappropriate ways that they did! They have nothing of value to get out of Cuties anymore, because Feel the Beat and Work It are much better coming-of-age movies about kids on dance teams that they already had in the same year of 2020, and those films have a much more consistent tone, and a much wider audience rather than the niche of ped-
Hard disagree on the weekly release vs. binge model. I love watching a whole season at my speed of choice. I also loathe cliffhangers between episodes so I get to avoid that too. I'm a responsible binger and it's the perfect setup for me.
I love how Dark Crystal won a ton of awards and got canned after only a single season. Like obviously the show didn't pop off in the first season, but word of mouth started spreading. I think it had potential of being a huge show.
Idk how Netflix uses the excuse of "not enough viewership, so not worth the money spent." Because cancelling a show just to create 10 other shows that suck even harder is totally worth the money.
I quit after they canceled Dark Crystal, which I'd waited so long to get made. They're going to be screwed big time once Stranger Things ends, and I don't think any amount of spinoffs will bring people back, at least not in the numbers the main series has. They'd probably be in even worse trouble if they weren't slapping the ST logo on everything too, that merch money is a big piggybank.
They should hire you as a consultant! I was burned by 1899 which I though would be fireproof given the success of Dark. 😅
Also, the best part about TV is watching an episode and talking to your friends the next day about it, or live tweeting the finale. There are so many shows, most people have never seen. It’s hard to watch a good show and have no one to geek out over it with.
I read an article not long ago that said Netflix cancels shows at the same rate as other streaming platforms. Would have to confirm that again though
Hey man. Thanks for continuing to make these smallish digestible pop culture essays. I find your style pleasant to listen to and your topics fun to think on.
Heck, even Nikelodeons' old model is much superior. No show would get MORE than 3 seasons. So at least you knew what you had to work with in order to complete your story. An upward bound for when you needed to wrap it up. I think that would have been much more effective at building up a catalogue of shows people would care about.
Disney did the same model too. I think it was more because kids tv inherently
Has a short life span because their viewers grow up.
3-4 seasons is such a great pace to tell a story too. Barry is FANTASTIC and part of that is the zero filler, concise and gripping story THAT ENDS
Tbh, the weekly model is only beneficial to really good shows like BCS. Weekly releases give time to dive deep into the Details of the episode, which BCS offered, but shows like The Mandalorian Season 3, TBOBF, or Kenobi all suffer under the weekly release schedule because it reveals their pacing issues and story loopholes on a silverplate. Binge Watching sth like BCS might make you miss some great details and subtext, but binge watching shows like the Disney+ ones would make them seem less bad
Netflix is just the modern day blockbuster. You spend hours looking for something and end up grabbing some crap that’s usually crap but you hope it’s a gem but it never is.
Maaaan... I logged off netflix shows after JUPITER'S LEGACY. Each comic arc resolves in their own volume, and netflix decided to end the season of the first arc on a cliffhanger, to inmediately cancel the show. Compared to THE NIGHT AGENT, a sony tv/netflix prod that ended their main arc and opened the door to another type of story, if they continue.
Is baffling to me in a model so unstable, they decide to not do complete arcs per season.
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If renewing is that risky for them (right now) why don't they focus on producing more limited series? Increase the episodes from 10 to 20 maybe and make a well written, properly paced show with a good start & ending. It worked for the queens gambit and it was incredibly popular too.
The weird thing is Netflix was built on the high success of just a few hits. Breaking Bad, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, The Office, etc. It was very strange to me when they decided to create a huge amount of new shows. Once all the studios started to call back their original shows, I was sure their strategy going forward would be to craft a few high quality gems that drum up attention. It’s weird how they’re still chasing the high of their early success by doing the complete opposite strategy
It broke my heart when years back Marco Polo released and Netflix did barley any effort to sell the show. It was supposed to be their big thing to compete with Vikings and game of thrones but it seems like they just didn’t care about it. Despite that, with it’s 2 seasons I think it’s still one of their best shows.
Loved Dirk Gently. Clean ends to both seasons. Winona Earp was good too.
If they want to make an 8 hour movie they should make it as a mini series. Used to be a normal thing once.....
The first one for me was Santa Clarita Diet, which was such a funny dark comedy. But then they added up : Warrior Nun was the last. So long Netflix.
I just started watching Santa Clarita Diet and my God was it good and even gives me Ted Lasso vibes(balance of absurd and emotional moments) And damn it sucks that not a single channel or streaming service has revived it yet
Another reason I hate the binge format is that you can wait years for a new season to drop and then when it does it's over in single week leaving you waiting another year for the next season. Plus with weekly basis shows discussion circulates a lot more and it's fun to experience alongside everyone instead of in a bubble on your own time
Waiting only a year?!?!
Dude even weekly shows come back for eight episodes every two or three years if you're lucky. The binge model is not the issue here. Production values in television are higher and more expensive to produce, so they just make less. Plus, I theorize, a bit of good old fashioned laziness.
They need to revise their animations, shows or create new ones that fans like! They could create DreamWork Rise of the Guardians series,Reboot Ralph Banshee Cool World,Captain Planet,Freakazoid,Gen 13,Magic Tree House,Alice Madness return or Kid icarus like they did with Carmen San Diego, Castlevania, blood of Zeus, and even She-Ra! They also should put a new anime!
You should make a video about Dirk Gently, one Netflix's most underrated shows. As most shows it was canceled prematurely and very rarely gets talked about
Growing up in a mostly binge watching age, I always thought it was by far the best model but when I became an adult and had less time to sit and watch for hours it became kind of a burden. I still get on social media often and have to actively avoid spoilers for some shows cause I couldn’t binge watch them fast enough and it sounds kinda depressing but having a show or two that comes out during the week can sometimes make your work day just a bit better by having something to look forward to. JMO
No, you’re very right. Sitting down to watch 8 hours of television is very hard and we do need those little things to keep us going. Shark tank at the end of the week keeps me chugging along and recording survivor episodes to watch a couple at a time are both fun. It’s just easier to manage and control your own watch experience when the binging model is not used.
So watch the season over time? Why do you need to watch it in one block?
The fact that people want others to have to wait week to week because it works for them is mind blowingly selfish
@@lpnp9477 the fact that others can’t wait more than a day to post spoilers all over the internet is mind-blowingly selfish to me…
Yeah, Netflix really shooting themselves in the foot. After getting burned by the cancelation of I'm not okay with this, I gave up. Why waste my time on a show that's got a 90% chance of getting canceled before seeing resolution. And they just keep canceling shows an expecting people to watch their shit? It's madness
Netflix feels like a graveyard, can't start watching anything because I know it doesn't have an ending
I agree about binging. It can be fun but I feel taking one episode can be a little more beneficial. And that is something I noticed about Netflix's serialized shows. Because they're said by fans to be less TV shows and more 8 to 13 hour movies, it seems less like the episodes can work as stand-alone and more as chapters of a whole. The issue I've had with it is that it makes discussions of individual episodes rare. There are some exceptions like say Bojack Horseman and even recently the newest season of Stranger Things. Speaking of the latter, that shows does really have episodes that work as stand-alone but the issue is that individual episodes don't get discussed as much as seasons as a show.
For me, it depends on the show. I like Ted Lasso for example, but i really enjoyed binging it when I was catching up on it, but I don't love watching it weekly. I'm not always a fan of a weekly show being a two month long commitment. I get that the weekly format is better in the long run, I just wish there was a middle ground where you could air 3 episodes a week, or something like that.
Thank you SO MUCH for putting this out there 🎉
I was burned by Santa Clarita’s Diet. They had no business canceling it after leaving it on such a massive cliffhanger!
Maybe Netflix needs to start broadcasting Over THE Air. It's good for promoting new shows and also playing old classics. Of course streaming would have the most current episodes to tempt TV viewers into subscribing.
Who else still mourns Mindhunter? Also, just make more shows with the miniseries/limited series format. Shows like Godless and Lost Ollie manage to be great without needing more. It won't always be a sure thing, but at least Netflix won't have as many corpses clogging up their library.
I think a side effect of this is many shows nowadays feel so incredibly serialised but then release weekly, so you feel yourself wanting to go back to the binge model with them as there can be episodes where very little happens.
It would be nice to have a show like X Files again, where each episode can be entertaining on its own.
Netflix should focus on limited series. The Queen’s Gambit was a great limited series. Limited series would prevent the outrage from cancellations, and would force them to have a complete story fit within the limited series’ episodes.
Oh, this was always a problem but has become more common every year, I remember being frustrated because they cancelled the get down and they never followed up upon it, I guess it's only the rule now.