I actually played with the Castle Miner Z creator back in the day. Guy was super upset that people compared the game to Minecraft, and said it was older than Minecraft. I don't buy the story or it being older (MC's alpha build came before the indie store) but it does make me question if it was inspired by, rather than a blatant ripoff.
I still play on it steam with some friends a few times a year, it's painfully basic now and only had two small updates since it came out on PC after Xbox but still the most fun I have with the block games even still more than Minecraft.
Regarding the modder adding Pokemon to Palworld - he was paywalling the mod behind his Patreon so Nintendo went after him, likely under the guise of Commercial Infringement, as he was making money off their IP (as Nintendo is the publisher of Pokemon games, GameFreak are the devs) without their permission. Edit: Friendly reminder that until the Quake series of game popularised the term "First-Person Shooter" every game released after DOOM in December 1993 until Quake was called a "Doom Clone" and nobody tried to sue other game devs over making a "Doom Clone" - hell, id Software (makers of Wolfenstein 3D, DOOM, Quake and the engines for those game franchises) actually *licensed out to other game devs their game engines*. "Super Noah Ark" on the SNES used the Wolfenstein 3D engine for the SNES, Chex Quest used the DOOM engine, Hexen & Heretic (both by Raven Software) used the DOOM engine, GoldSrc/Half-Life Engine from Valve was evolved from the Quake engine (and then further evolved in to Source (Portal series & TF2) & Source 2 (DOTA, Counter-Strike 2 & Half-Life: Alyx)), Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force & Star Trek: Elite Force II used the Quake 3 engine, OpenArena is an Open Source Reverse Engineered clone of Quake 3 Arena/Team Arena (which can run anything powered by the Quake 3 engine if you've got the approprate files)...
It is Nintendo they are not going after modders for the first time. The fact that Palworld and Pokémon are by Japanese Companies and Nintendo has lawyers on stand to strike off any experience that is infringing on their intellectual rights.
To expand on your list of the quake or doom engines being licensed out, probably the most popular series that has came out of it was Call of Duty. CoD 1 was built on idtech 3, and then that evolved into IW engine. Even the modern CoD games still are based on idtech 3 (the disclaimer crediting ID software for licensing the engine is still found on the back of the boxes and digital store descriptions)
The reason the palworld pokemon mod got nintendo/The Pokémon Company on him right away is because he was going to sell it, he only makes his mods available thru his patreon for which you obviously have to pay. So easy target since he can't hide behind it just being a 'fan thing' but is clearly done for profit. It's pretty much a warning shot to any other mod makers from nintendo/The Pokémon Company that are thinking about releasing a similar mod.
I don’t think palworld has anything to worry about. It’s different looking enough. Saying you can never be inspired by something and that can not be done is ludicrous. Nintendo needs to play this very carefully because if they win it will set a dangerous precedent to creativity. Also how can Nintendo go after a community made mod that doesn’t make money? There are thousands of mods for fallout and I have never seen one taken down for ip infringement.
The reason you see so many Fallout mods is that Bethesda (PC games) has a very different approach to modding than Nintendo (console). A dedicated modding community developed around Bethesda games back in the 90's & 00's and have been responsible for extending the life of many Bethesda games, even helping to reinvigorate games that tanked... the age-old meme is that Bethesda games are always buggy at launch but don't worry, the modders will fix it. So modders usually have to do something pretty blatant for Bethesda to issue a cease & desist.
@@6v6IsForCaveDwellers Hey man, originality is overrated and takes a backseat to fun when it comes to games for me. Maybe now the biggest franchise on planet Earth will feel compelled to make a game that's not a 4/10 dogwater.
There's a difference in stealing the concept and making it your own (Digimon, SMT, Yo Kai Watch, Etc.) and straight up stealing assets - if palworld can just steal chunks of models from other games and be a best selling steam game, it sets a precedent for other studios to steal assets from other games to do the same thing, which is a huge blow to 3d artists, designers, modelers, etc who already have it hard getting jobs in the industry; and that'll have a knock on effect of making gaming as a whole worse in the future
5:30 Yes... it is STILL plagiarism. You can use something as inspiration, as long as the final design is original enough that people don't get the too confused. Like, the Pal that looks like a crossbreed of Totoro and Electabuzz I wouldn't call plagiarized because while you may from the colourscheme and the black bolt on its stomach immediately draw associations to Electabuzz, the design itself, in my opinion, is distinct enough to be its own. Where the rodent creature at 3:48 has blatantly stolen its tail from Raichu. I had an associate who drew fan art of FNaF animatronics and came up with "his own original characters". One day he proudly showed me a drawing of Bonnie (or was it Springtrap?), with the ONLY "original" touch being a missing leg and a big scar on its belly. I was of course nice and praised his work, but my inner voice said: "Dude... that's just Bonnie with a missing leg and a scar on its belly... that's not YOUR character". If we are following your logic, that it is okay to use reference material as inspiration (which it totally is), then he should have used Bonnie as a base for his character (could totally have made it a bunny as well), but then make the final design distinct enough that while I may have been able to tell which character it was based on, I'd still in good faith be able to say: "Wow, that a cool new design!" If you show me Dante from Devil May Cry and just remove his jacket or give it new buttons, that's still Dante. Jacketless Dante doesn't make him YOUR new and original design. 2B from Near with a new dress is still 2B from Near. Pikachu with pink fur instead of yellow is still Pikachu and I could go on. Also, I am a writer who constantly borrows and gets inspired by other works of entertainment from all across the entertainment industry, and I constantly have to put myself on a leash and ask myself if what I just wrote in my newest book is transformative enough to call it my own, or if it borders on plagiarism and has to be change up more. Granted, no one reads my shit anyway so no way would it ever get caught by the law anyway... but as a creator I wanna be able to be proud of my work, and I can't if I feel that I am stealing, rather than being inspired. So as a creator of ANYTHING, the line between inspiration and plagiarism is a thin, sometimes blurry line, you'll constantly have to have in mind and cross ref with yourself. Can you, in good faith, honest to yourself, look at you creation, and say it is yours? Or does it have too many similarities with the thing it's "based" on?
As someone who has had to write "empty" statements (no statements are actually empty) for a corporation, The Pokemon Company's statement is saying "hey we are already investigating this, and your constant submissions over it are taking up a lot of man hours from us, stop sending them."
I had to chuckle when I read their statement... I immediately pictured exasperated managers from all the customer-facing teams begging Legal to release _something_ to stem the tide.
Bro, CastleMiner Z is a nostalgia trip. I remember playing for hours with my friends back in the day. I remember when we wanted to go to Ore Land, which had all the various ores like Coal, Iron, and Diamond, we would dig a tunnel all the way there to avoid the monsters. There was a sense of power suiting up from Ore Land with Diamond guns and tools, then heading to Hell to get Bloodstone. It sucks that it isn’t on Xbox One because I would definitely playing it again for old times sake.
Bro me and my mates used to travel so far to get to the moon crators to find the aliens and alien guns was wild back in the day! And randomly stumbling across hell one day as little kid and being scared to travel far alone cause all you'd hear is Growls from all the enemys
“Is it plagiarism?” I think the answer would be yes. If they use the character models from Pokémon as reference without acknowledging that or getting the rights to do so, how could it not be? At least in the academic sense of plagiarism, what Palworld is doing is “paraphrasing” Pokémon and without proper acknowledgement/citation would be considered plagiarism. Idk if that applies legally to a business in the same way
I said the same thing about Nexomon. Nintendo barely even looked in their direction, yet PalWorld us getting all the heat. To me, despite the modding, it feels like they're being somewhat selective.
The whole _Dark & Darker/Iron Mace_ situation @ 23:20 is more complex than just copyright... the lead dev for a game called P3 at Nexon left the company, spun up his own studio called Iron Mace, poached the staff who were working for him on P3 at Nexon, and then went on to develop a game almost exactly like P3 (in a suspiciously short time frame) into the game _Dark & Darker._ And the lead dev (who was fired from Nexon after using work-from-home COVID restrictions to store P3 code on an external server) readily admits to all this. So the offices were raided in relation to this external server issue & accusations of _direct_ theft of Nexon's IP, in addition to the copyright infringement litigation that stopped the game going onto Steam. D&D actually poses a much bigger legal question than just inspiration vs plagiarism... if a dev who is employed by a studio to develop a game concept using studio resources (P3 was ready to go into production when all this happened), can leave & finish making the game themselves to sell & profit from, why would studios invest so heavily in R&D? How would they protect that investment? Because regardless whether you like Nexon, the guy at Iron Mace doesn't do himself any favours by essentially confirming that he used P3 to make Dark & Darker and doesn't see a problem with doing so. They barely made any changes to the gameplay or aesthetic to differentiate D&D from P3. And the way Iron Mace have tried to paint this as as a "bag bad corpo vs small indie studio" is quite disingenuous, because having a dev walk out the door of a small studio with the equivalent of P3 would be 10x more damaging to a small studio than it would be to a company of Nexon's size. Even people who despise Nexon have been forced to admit that Iron Mace don't have clean hands & may set a bad precedent for the gaming industry. Edit: _Blue!_ 💙 😉
The whole genshin stealing thing, is not because of breath of the wild, that's just the stupid majority that doesn't actually know any other games than what's popular, Mihoyo has a history of ripping animations from other popular games, like Nier Automata or Bayonetta and others. That topic was very poorly researched other than what you remembered and saw from a quick google search.
I mean this is what happens when the big creators choose to ignore the players wants. Other companies will pick it up and make great things out of it like Castleminer z (amazing game btw… shame we can’t play it anymore.) Splitgate. And yes, Palworld. I completely support the companies doing these things because they are things everyone wanted, yet the big companies that made the originals choose not to listen to their player base and jack the prices up to insane amounts.
It's not always about "choosing to ignore player wants" - game development is complex & expensive. Making an original game is a lot harder & more expensive than making one of these games who have the benefit of copying or imitating core gameplay & design from the original game. Sure, sometimes devs will make unpopular decisions but doing things like porting a PC game to console aren't always as simple as gamers like to think it is. Like everything in life, they can't please everyone!
Nintendo also has a history of waiting to let companies dig their graves with a fan project. They seem to usually let it get released or close to completion, and then they judge whether they want to strike... and they usually strike. They're calculatedly draconian, and they have a lot of experience in being assholes.
I wouldn't count on that. Sometimes Nintendo waits until something becomes big so when they DO take action, they can claim a much larger amount of damages. IIRC they did this with one of the 3ds flash cart makers a few years back. Edit: I still don't think nintendo has a leg to stand on, just that the fact they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they won't later.
That whole thing is crazy.... the Italian devs have been doing just about everything _except_ prove they didn't steal those assets, which should be so simple to do. It's easy to be dismissive of these huge AAA developers having to take legal action over IP infringement, but it's so frustrating to see a small indie dev like Blue Drake having to waste time, effort & money on legal action over a passion project game they don't even charge players for.
The problem with the palworld pokemon replacement mod was the creator was trying to lock it behind paid patreon tiers, meaning he was trying to profit off the pokemon models
Let’s be honest, pokemon isn’t the only pocket monster type anime game out there. There are several of them out there, and the only reason it is gaining so much traction is due to the success of the smaller company, making millions while having millions play their game. Digimon, Bakugon, Yu-Gi-Oh, there many out there that either use similar concepts, or, monsters used for battle purposes. If Palworld directly stole concepts from Pokemon, then yeah, I don’t support them. Palworld has clear differences while utilizing other concepts from dozens of games and things developers created. If Nintendo takes something away from this, it’s that their fans are sick of having games below standards considering the huge graphical and mechanical upgrades from games nowadays. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet released and got dunked on cause it looked like shit, had bugs beyond belief, and now costs $100 for full content. Nintendo should see this as a sign their fans want something simple to play, stop going after individuals and small companies and devote time to making the games work.
There was some argument with Fortnite that Epic had potentially taken material from the PUBG developers for Fortnite's BR. I can't recall if that was actually from Player Unknown or the community though.
Back in the 90s, gamers called basically every FPS a "Doom Clone." Halo did not create the concept of King of the Hill or Red vs Blue teams, it was Quake.
I feel like Nintendo hasn’t taken action on palworld because they see it as just being Pokémon inspired they took action on the other fan works because they actually used Nintendo characters explicitly but palworld doesn’t actually use any executive properties of Nintendo it is just heavily inspired by them
PUBG and Fortnite (Epic Games) did not reach a Settlement, they just dropped the lawsuit. In the US a Settlement isnt just two parties deciding not to sue, a Settlement is a legal process that happens when two parties are able to arbitrate their own problems without the court's involvement, but Settlements are not hidden, there is a legal record that the parties have settled.
I don't think it's wise to assume Nintendo has no case bc "normally they act quickly" and it's bc they've acted quickly on things that are explicitly using their IP
Just a note about pokemon brick bronze: The devs are making their own game now! It's still on roblox, but it has its own spin on the battle system, has its own creatures with around 300 at the time of this comment, and the quality is honestly a lot higher than pokemon brick bronze (Like in terms of both the content they put out and the models, animations, environments, ect.) It also has a new story that's sorta connected to the pokemon brick bronze story on a way. The only problem is that because it's so ambitious, updates are REALLY slow to come out. Like we're almost at the 5th anniversary of the game and still only have the 3rd badge, but it's a small team making it, so that's understandable. But as good as their new game (Loomian legacy) is, pokemon brick bronze just had so much content packed into it and was really something special. It's honestly better than a lot of the official pokemon games imo, and that's what made it worse when it actually did get deleted. The devs were starting to tease the elite 4 slightly before it shut down, meaning it would've been probably a month or two away from actually being finished. But yeah, I'm sure loomian legacy will absolutely catch up to pokemon brick bronze in terms of content, but it really was something special.
smashing your own console is just pathetic, people like that just complain for the hell of it and proabbly don't even care about zelda in the first place.
Plagiarism is a strong word but I will say Palworld 100% would not exist nor would its art style be the same if Pokemon didn't exist. The similarities are STRIKING to say the least.
my guy, several models have exactly the same topology and polygons. Like they are ripped straight out of the pokemon games with minimal if any changes. taking inspiration form something is one thing. Using existing pokemon as reference is another thing... but this is neither of those. It's straight up theft and that's what ppl have been pointing out
I would say that Palworld is the Pokemon game that people wanted 10+ years ago, but GameFreak is allergic to innovation or maybe they are just tired. All that money must be heavy and must make it hard to move around and do stuff. The biggest "innovation" they've made is switching from 2d to 3d "open-ish" world, but most of that work was probably done by some other team. I wouldn't be surprised if they "borrowed" most of the 3d systems from the Zelda team, generated a world, slapped from Pokemon around, and then plugged in their turn-based fighting system. And then did it twice more for Scarlet and Violet. The reason Palworld is so popular (and it's not even a finished game yet) is because it's the Pokemon game people have been dreaming about for the last 28 years. It's what every kid imagined every time they booted up their Red and/or Blue (Red and Green in Japan) Pokemon games in 1996. Especially once the Anime started. Every kid wanted to be able to run around side by side with their Pokemon and actually bond with them as if they were a family pet. EDIT: About the Genshin BOTW clone thing. People are dumb. Any time something was cell-shaded and/or had a stamina meter, people called it a BOTW clone as if Nintendo invented stamina or cell shading.
There development has been really open for 3 years so if Nintendo wanted they would have already taken action for plagiarism so people are just complaining for nothing
I completely disagree that you can't make the argument that some Pal designs were stolen from Pokémon, when of course, to boost your own argument, you use some of the less aggregious ones as examples. Take the rodent at 3:48. While the design overall may appear original, it is clearly a mix of Meowth for the body, Ampharos for the cone shaped ears, and most obvious of all the lightning shaped tail that is CLEARLY stolen from Raichu. So while I agree that you'd have a hard time in court with something as simple as a sheep just because they look similar, are both round, and have the same color schemes. There are WAY more aggregious examples in the game. So yes... plagiarism it is. If there is smoke, there is fire, only it may not be a strong enough fire that Nintendo can sue.
Giana Sisters on the C64 was the most obvious Mario rip off ever. But for us poor C64 owners it was awesome. I remember the first time I actually tried Mario on the NES. I kept thinking "Ok, Giana Sisters totally ripped this off allright, but why is it so slow?" The C64 all things considered was a sidescrolling beast.
With Nintendo not really batting an eye to other Pokémon like games with the people going after PalWorld it kinda seems like Nintendo felt like they had to say something.
If you want the same vibes as Pokemon: Brick Bronze, check out Loomian Legacy, TBradam, the dev of P:BB made it as a direct sequel, using some of the plot points from the finale of P:BB, and continued out the story and gameplay in a very similar way to the Pokemon games, but uses custom modeled Loomians, and is pretty far in development.
The difference between the Mod and the game is that the only evidence that is substantial in the game is minute and farther between so it would require dissecting the assets further, as industry experts have even spoken that the similarities are bit concerning but not outright proof to them, whereas the mod used ripped assets directly. The AI part, if they did use AI in their process at all but did not disclose it would cause issue with being listed on Steam. I only have issue about your claims of studying the games as the developers stated they never even had real experience or knowledge before starting and learned while working, on top of the claim that their only designer who made all the pals did so in Middle school with a job on top? I honestly have been interested in this and had it ready to wishlist when it first announced, Craftopia put me off from pulling that trigger on release but if nothing is found from Nintendo's side and the hype doesn't just die off right away like these games tend to do, I will be buying this.
Idc what ppl say. I’m not even a fan of Pokémon but you can’t say they didn’t just rip off Pokémon. It’s like they didn’t even try to make it their own game lmao
@@saprogeist31 Pokemon before were programmed into the game even if they had no entry in the regional dex. Starting with Gen 8, only the regional dex is programmed into the games, with the national dex with all mons handled by outside services like Home
In the end the most important thing we learned was basement dwellers really need to stop caring so much if one game is similar to another. Just play whatever games you enjoy, there's more important things to get upset about.
I find funny how most ppl mad at Palworld are just Pokemon fanboys that have been paying tons of money on the last pokemon games that clearly were outdated and with a lot of problems including reusing assets from older games, but are now really mad seeing a new fun take on the monster collecting genre that is CLEARLY a PARODY of Pokemon like a fan game. Don’t get me wrong I will fully be against it if the use of AI and real plagiarism is proven, but that’s really not what ppl are mad about, meanwhile that are other pokefans just enjoying the game exactly because they enjoy pokemon and want this new fun take on them that the real pokemon company won’t do.
This is just my opinion but I think the reason why so many people are pissed is because someone that's not Nintendo made a much more fun and realistic pokémon like game and they don't want to admit it and they also hate the entire fakemon community.
The clip that you used at 5:17 clearly shows 2 models overlapping with each other. It's obvious they just took the Pokemon model and changed it slightly then put it in their game. They didn't do this with all models obviously some were obviously just inspired by Pokemon but that clip CLEARLY shows identical 1:1 overlap in parts of the model soooooooo how is it not copyright infringement?????
You can't copywrite gameplay. If they were allowed to do that then we would only have a couple dozen games at best. Clones of games are fine as long as they aren't using someone elses assets.
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I'm literally playing the game while watching this...
Hyperfront mobile. It was a really cool Valorant type game but it died after Valorant DMCA’d the devs.
I actually played with the Castle Miner Z creator back in the day. Guy was super upset that people compared the game to Minecraft, and said it was older than Minecraft. I don't buy the story or it being older (MC's alpha build came before the indie store) but it does make me question if it was inspired by, rather than a blatant ripoff.
When Nintendo go after you it's very serious. You can get ban from the magic kingdom and never play again the little jumping marioos toy.
CastleMiner Z was fuckin' siiiiick. Had an absolute blast with that game.
I still play on it steam with some friends a few times a year, it's painfully basic now and only had two small updates since it came out on PC after Xbox but still the most fun I have with the block games even still more than Minecraft.
Its so stupid its good
Huge memories
Wish it was on Xbox One.
It was a classic especially with it using your avatars
People tend to forget that most works of fiction are inspired from each other
I love Dune
Inspiration and plagiarism are not the same thing really tried of this lazy ass defense
@@LunaPPK can you back up that statement?
@apesy800 bro if you can't tell the difference between both that is a YOU issue otherwise if this is some bad faith posting i am not wasting my time
Congratulations. You can not back up your statements and nobody should believe you. @@LunaPPK
Regarding the modder adding Pokemon to Palworld - he was paywalling the mod behind his Patreon so Nintendo went after him, likely under the guise of Commercial Infringement, as he was making money off their IP (as Nintendo is the publisher of Pokemon games, GameFreak are the devs) without their permission.
Edit: Friendly reminder that until the Quake series of game popularised the term "First-Person Shooter" every game released after DOOM in December 1993 until Quake was called a "Doom Clone" and nobody tried to sue other game devs over making a "Doom Clone" - hell, id Software (makers of Wolfenstein 3D, DOOM, Quake and the engines for those game franchises) actually *licensed out to other game devs their game engines*.
"Super Noah Ark" on the SNES used the Wolfenstein 3D engine for the SNES, Chex Quest used the DOOM engine, Hexen & Heretic (both by Raven Software) used the DOOM engine, GoldSrc/Half-Life Engine from Valve was evolved from the Quake engine (and then further evolved in to Source (Portal series & TF2) & Source 2 (DOTA, Counter-Strike 2 & Half-Life: Alyx)), Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force & Star Trek: Elite Force II used the Quake 3 engine, OpenArena is an Open Source Reverse Engineered clone of Quake 3 Arena/Team Arena (which can run anything powered by the Quake 3 engine if you've got the approprate files)...
It is Nintendo they are not going after modders for the first time.
The fact that Palworld and Pokémon are by Japanese Companies and Nintendo has lawyers on stand to strike off any experience that is infringing on their intellectual rights.
To expand on your list of the quake or doom engines being licensed out, probably the most popular series that has came out of it was Call of Duty.
CoD 1 was built on idtech 3, and then that evolved into IW engine. Even the modern CoD games still are based on idtech 3 (the disclaimer crediting ID software for licensing the engine is still found on the back of the boxes and digital store descriptions)
There was never any proof he pay walled it besides that he did it with his other mods. He's not that dumb.
Remember when every shooter released after DOOM they where DOOM clones
Long before the term first person shooter was ever coined.
The reason the palworld pokemon mod got nintendo/The Pokémon Company on him right away is because he was going to sell it, he only makes his mods available thru his patreon for which you obviously have to pay. So easy target since he can't hide behind it just being a 'fan thing' but is clearly done for profit.
It's pretty much a warning shot to any other mod makers from nintendo/The Pokémon Company that are thinking about releasing a similar mod.
I don’t think palworld has anything to worry about. It’s different looking enough. Saying you can never be inspired by something and that can not be done is ludicrous. Nintendo needs to play this very carefully because if they win it will set a dangerous precedent to creativity. Also how can Nintendo go after a community made mod that doesn’t make money? There are thousands of mods for fallout and I have never seen one taken down for ip infringement.
The Pokemon mod that got taken down was behind the creators patreon.
@@Zulmofo ah well thank you for informing me. I appreciate that
Nintendo's statement about Palworld isn't "We are suing" its "We know this game exists, stop sending us messages about it."
The reason you see so many Fallout mods is that Bethesda (PC games) has a very different approach to modding than Nintendo (console). A dedicated modding community developed around Bethesda games back in the 90's & 00's and have been responsible for extending the life of many Bethesda games, even helping to reinvigorate games that tanked... the age-old meme is that Bethesda games are always buggy at launch but don't worry, the modders will fix it. So modders usually have to do something pretty blatant for Bethesda to issue a cease & desist.
@@medea27 fallout 4 has console mods
I hope more games steal from Pokemon. The concept is too good to be in Gamefreak's comically inept hands.
Seriously what ever happened to Digimon or Bakugan?
Lmao I love how people straight up acknowledge the game they play isn't original 😂
@@6v6IsForCaveDwellers Hey man, originality is overrated and takes a backseat to fun when it comes to games for me. Maybe now the biggest franchise on planet Earth will feel compelled to make a game that's not a 4/10 dogwater.
There's a difference in stealing the concept and making it your own (Digimon, SMT, Yo Kai Watch, Etc.) and straight up stealing assets - if palworld can just steal chunks of models from other games and be a best selling steam game, it sets a precedent for other studios to steal assets from other games to do the same thing, which is a huge blow to 3d artists, designers, modelers, etc who already have it hard getting jobs in the industry; and that'll have a knock on effect of making gaming as a whole worse in the future
@dualitysystem8430 Digimon is still around, though it has become more niche since tamagotchis aren't as globally popular anymore.
5:30 Yes... it is STILL plagiarism. You can use something as inspiration, as long as the final design is original enough that people don't get the too confused. Like, the Pal that looks like a crossbreed of Totoro and Electabuzz I wouldn't call plagiarized because while you may from the colourscheme and the black bolt on its stomach immediately draw associations to Electabuzz, the design itself, in my opinion, is distinct enough to be its own. Where the rodent creature at 3:48 has blatantly stolen its tail from Raichu.
I had an associate who drew fan art of FNaF animatronics and came up with "his own original characters". One day he proudly showed me a drawing of Bonnie (or was it Springtrap?), with the ONLY "original" touch being a missing leg and a big scar on its belly. I was of course nice and praised his work, but my inner voice said: "Dude... that's just Bonnie with a missing leg and a scar on its belly... that's not YOUR character". If we are following your logic, that it is okay to use reference material as inspiration (which it totally is), then he should have used Bonnie as a base for his character (could totally have made it a bunny as well), but then make the final design distinct enough that while I may have been able to tell which character it was based on, I'd still in good faith be able to say: "Wow, that a cool new design!"
If you show me Dante from Devil May Cry and just remove his jacket or give it new buttons, that's still Dante. Jacketless Dante doesn't make him YOUR new and original design. 2B from Near with a new dress is still 2B from Near. Pikachu with pink fur instead of yellow is still Pikachu and I could go on.
Also, I am a writer who constantly borrows and gets inspired by other works of entertainment from all across the entertainment industry, and I constantly have to put myself on a leash and ask myself if what I just wrote in my newest book is transformative enough to call it my own, or if it borders on plagiarism and has to be change up more. Granted, no one reads my shit anyway so no way would it ever get caught by the law anyway... but as a creator I wanna be able to be proud of my work, and I can't if I feel that I am stealing, rather than being inspired. So as a creator of ANYTHING, the line between inspiration and plagiarism is a thin, sometimes blurry line, you'll constantly have to have in mind and cross ref with yourself.
Can you, in good faith, honest to yourself, look at you creation, and say it is yours? Or does it have too many similarities with the thing it's "based" on?
Never forget: DC sued Fawcett Comics because they said Captain Marvel (Shazam), was plagerism of Superman. And DC won.
and then DC snatched up the character themselves later anyways lmao
far harbour at 28:56
As someone who has had to write "empty" statements (no statements are actually empty) for a corporation, The Pokemon Company's statement is saying "hey we are already investigating this, and your constant submissions over it are taking up a lot of man hours from us, stop sending them."
I had to chuckle when I read their statement... I immediately pictured exasperated managers from all the customer-facing teams begging Legal to release _something_ to stem the tide.
Only ogs played castle miner z on the 360
Fr it was a weird game I only had 1 other friend who played it.
Bro, CastleMiner Z is a nostalgia trip. I remember playing for hours with my friends back in the day.
I remember when we wanted to go to Ore Land, which had all the various ores like Coal, Iron, and Diamond, we would dig a tunnel all the way there to avoid the monsters.
There was a sense of power suiting up from Ore Land with Diamond guns and tools, then heading to Hell to get Bloodstone.
It sucks that it isn’t on Xbox One because I would definitely playing it again for old times sake.
Bro me and my mates used to travel so far to get to the moon crators to find the aliens and alien guns was wild back in the day! And randomly stumbling across hell one day as little kid and being scared to travel far alone cause all you'd hear is Growls from all the enemys
Sounds wild. Wish I played
It seems the determining factor if something is inspired by or a rip off is how successful the second product is
5:32 not when AI gets used. Its why AI art or anything involving AI gets hate, it just steals content or artist
“Is it plagiarism?” I think the answer would be yes. If they use the character models from Pokémon as reference without acknowledging that or getting the rights to do so, how could it not be?
At least in the academic sense of plagiarism, what Palworld is doing is “paraphrasing” Pokémon and without proper acknowledgement/citation would be considered plagiarism. Idk if that applies legally to a business in the same way
I said the same thing about Nexomon. Nintendo barely even looked in their direction, yet PalWorld us getting all the heat. To me, despite the modding, it feels like they're being somewhat selective.
nintendo havent done anything to palworld themselves the pokemon mod got targeted because the guy was charging for a mod containing actual pokemon ips
Pokemon wasn't the first monster collecting game either. They were inspired by other games just the same.
The whole _Dark & Darker/Iron Mace_ situation @ 23:20 is more complex than just copyright... the lead dev for a game called P3 at Nexon left the company, spun up his own studio called Iron Mace, poached the staff who were working for him on P3 at Nexon, and then went on to develop a game almost exactly like P3 (in a suspiciously short time frame) into the game _Dark & Darker._ And the lead dev (who was fired from Nexon after using work-from-home COVID restrictions to store P3 code on an external server) readily admits to all this.
So the offices were raided in relation to this external server issue & accusations of _direct_ theft of Nexon's IP, in addition to the copyright infringement litigation that stopped the game going onto Steam.
D&D actually poses a much bigger legal question than just inspiration vs plagiarism... if a dev who is employed by a studio to develop a game concept using studio resources (P3 was ready to go into production when all this happened), can leave & finish making the game themselves to sell & profit from, why would studios invest so heavily in R&D? How would they protect that investment?
Because regardless whether you like Nexon, the guy at Iron Mace doesn't do himself any favours by essentially confirming that he used P3 to make Dark & Darker and doesn't see a problem with doing so. They barely made any changes to the gameplay or aesthetic to differentiate D&D from P3.
And the way Iron Mace have tried to paint this as as a "bag bad corpo vs small indie studio" is quite disingenuous, because having a dev walk out the door of a small studio with the equivalent of P3 would be 10x more damaging to a small studio than it would be to a company of Nexon's size.
Even people who despise Nexon have been forced to admit that Iron Mace don't have clean hands & may set a bad precedent for the gaming industry.
Edit: _Blue!_ 💙 😉
I would be mad if Palworld gets taken down
But Castleminer Z was fire
The whole genshin stealing thing, is not because of breath of the wild, that's just the stupid majority that doesn't actually know any other games than what's popular, Mihoyo has a history of ripping animations from other popular games, like Nier Automata or Bayonetta and others.
That topic was very poorly researched other than what you remembered and saw from a quick google search.
These 'lowercase' videos are literally my favorite thing to watch on TH-cam.
same bro
Damn a game has cute monsters AND you can catch them?!? Must be ripping off Pokemon🤷🏽♂️
Preachhh
I mean several of the pals are just the spitting image of a bunch of pokemon
@@IHitTheWater Multiple Pokemon are just real life animals/things anime-fied.
But muh Digimon
@@marsproductions1 and yet, instead of making them look like generic anime animals they looked like pokemon
For Palworld a lot of Pals do look similar, but I think it's more of a "inspired by" not "copied"
Honestly what sort of monsters could you make at this point that wouldn't potentially share elements with Pokémon?
@@cericatevery other monster taming game managed to somehow not directly trace Pokemon parts unlike Palworld.
I mean this is what happens when the big creators choose to ignore the players wants. Other companies will pick it up and make great things out of it like
Castleminer z (amazing game btw… shame we can’t play it anymore.)
Splitgate.
And yes, Palworld.
I completely support the companies doing these things because they are things everyone wanted, yet the big companies that made the originals choose not to listen to their player base and jack the prices up to insane amounts.
It's not always about "choosing to ignore player wants" - game development is complex & expensive. Making an original game is a lot harder & more expensive than making one of these games who have the benefit of copying or imitating core gameplay & design from the original game. Sure, sometimes devs will make unpopular decisions but doing things like porting a PC game to console aren't always as simple as gamers like to think it is. Like everything in life, they can't please everyone!
Imagine if pokemon told you the rates of capture chance 😮
Nintendo has had 3 years to take action, and hasn't. It's unlikely they will now.
Nintendo also has a history of waiting to let companies dig their graves with a fan project. They seem to usually let it get released or close to completion, and then they judge whether they want to strike... and they usually strike. They're calculatedly draconian, and they have a lot of experience in being assholes.
I wouldn't count on that. Sometimes Nintendo waits until something becomes big so when they DO take action, they can claim a much larger amount of damages. IIRC they did this with one of the 3ds flash cart makers a few years back.
Edit: I still don't think nintendo has a leg to stand on, just that the fact they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they won't later.
Castleminer z was so much fun despite its very Janky gameplay. My friend group back then put hours of time into that game
Have you seen what’s currently going on with that game that stole a bunch of operation harsh doorstop’s assets?
Edit had the wrong game in my comment fixed now.
That whole thing is crazy.... the Italian devs have been doing just about everything _except_ prove they didn't steal those assets, which should be so simple to do. It's easy to be dismissive of these huge AAA developers having to take legal action over IP infringement, but it's so frustrating to see a small indie dev like Blue Drake having to waste time, effort & money on legal action over a passion project game they don't even charge players for.
I'm generally on the side of palworld but they did straight up steal a couple of fan made pokemon.
Castle Miner Z is goated are u kidding me 😭😭
Dude Castle Miner Z was me and my friends shit. We went back and forth from Minecraft to it often.
The problem with the palworld pokemon replacement mod was the creator was trying to lock it behind paid patreon tiers, meaning he was trying to profit off the pokemon models
Let’s be honest, pokemon isn’t the only pocket monster type anime game out there. There are several of them out there, and the only reason it is gaining so much traction is due to the success of the smaller company, making millions while having millions play their game. Digimon, Bakugon, Yu-Gi-Oh, there many out there that either use similar concepts, or, monsters used for battle purposes. If Palworld directly stole concepts from Pokemon, then yeah, I don’t support them. Palworld has clear differences while utilizing other concepts from dozens of games and things developers created. If Nintendo takes something away from this, it’s that their fans are sick of having games below standards considering the huge graphical and mechanical upgrades from games nowadays. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet released and got dunked on cause it looked like shit, had bugs beyond belief, and now costs $100 for full content. Nintendo should see this as a sign their fans want something simple to play, stop going after individuals and small companies and devote time to making the games work.
There was some argument with Fortnite that Epic had potentially taken material from the PUBG developers for Fortnite's BR. I can't recall if that was actually from Player Unknown or the community though.
Just community I believe
Fallout 4: Far harbor best dlc in the universe? Uhh yeah no.
Back in the 90s, gamers called basically every FPS a "Doom Clone." Halo did not create the concept of King of the Hill or Red vs Blue teams, it was Quake.
40:45 Nintendo doesn't own that character, Microsoft does.
I feel like Nintendo hasn’t taken action on palworld because they see it as just being Pokémon inspired they took action on the other fan works because they actually used Nintendo characters explicitly but palworld doesn’t actually use any executive properties of Nintendo it is just heavily inspired by them
This is why i never respected Fortnite. They released a game to "meh" reception, then basically implemented a concept that wasnt their own.
The Palworld thing was not about the genre, it was about the designs
PUBG and Fortnite (Epic Games) did not reach a Settlement, they just dropped the lawsuit.
In the US a Settlement isnt just two parties deciding not to sue, a Settlement is a legal process that happens when two parties are able to arbitrate their own problems without the court's involvement, but Settlements are not hidden, there is a legal record that the parties have settled.
I mean PUBG did only copy Minecraft hunger games mode. 21:20
I don't think it's wise to assume Nintendo has no case bc "normally they act quickly" and it's bc they've acted quickly on things that are explicitly using their IP
Its been 3 years, if they had a case they would have brought it to court already.
The game has just released, there's loads of content that was not publicly available for all 3 of those years
to be honest its not like palworld's creators were even trying to hide the fact that blatantly coppied pokemon.
Preach
Just a note about pokemon brick bronze: The devs are making their own game now! It's still on roblox, but it has its own spin on the battle system, has its own creatures with around 300 at the time of this comment, and the quality is honestly a lot higher than pokemon brick bronze (Like in terms of both the content they put out and the models, animations, environments, ect.) It also has a new story that's sorta connected to the pokemon brick bronze story on a way. The only problem is that because it's so ambitious, updates are REALLY slow to come out. Like we're almost at the 5th anniversary of the game and still only have the 3rd badge, but it's a small team making it, so that's understandable.
But as good as their new game (Loomian legacy) is, pokemon brick bronze just had so much content packed into it and was really something special. It's honestly better than a lot of the official pokemon games imo, and that's what made it worse when it actually did get deleted. The devs were starting to tease the elite 4 slightly before it shut down, meaning it would've been probably a month or two away from actually being finished. But yeah, I'm sure loomian legacy will absolutely catch up to pokemon brick bronze in terms of content, but it really was something special.
KInda odd that Battlefield didn't accused Planetside for being too similar.
Dark dark just had the case dismissed
smashing your own console is just pathetic, people like that just complain for the hell of it and proabbly don't even care about zelda in the first place.
Plagiarism is a strong word but I will say Palworld 100% would not exist nor would its art style be the same if Pokemon didn't exist. The similarities are STRIKING to say the least.
That's like saying "cod wouldn't exist without doom" like yes technically? But that also means nothing, inspiration =/= copying
Unrelated but I just found you dudes recently & I just want to let you know you've been added into the list of comforting shows I watch during work.
Hate all these games
I would like to add one thing: blue
my guy, several models have exactly the same topology and polygons. Like they are ripped straight out of the pokemon games with minimal if any changes. taking inspiration form something is one thing. Using existing pokemon as reference is another thing... but this is neither of those. It's straight up theft and that's what ppl have been pointing out
I would say that Palworld is the Pokemon game that people wanted 10+ years ago, but GameFreak is allergic to innovation or maybe they are just tired. All that money must be heavy and must make it hard to move around and do stuff. The biggest "innovation" they've made is switching from 2d to 3d "open-ish" world, but most of that work was probably done by some other team. I wouldn't be surprised if they "borrowed" most of the 3d systems from the Zelda team, generated a world, slapped from Pokemon around, and then plugged in their turn-based fighting system. And then did it twice more for Scarlet and Violet.
The reason Palworld is so popular (and it's not even a finished game yet) is because it's the Pokemon game people have been dreaming about for the last 28 years. It's what every kid imagined every time they booted up their Red and/or Blue (Red and Green in Japan) Pokemon games in 1996. Especially once the Anime started. Every kid wanted to be able to run around side by side with their Pokemon and actually bond with them as if they were a family pet.
EDIT: About the Genshin BOTW clone thing. People are dumb. Any time something was cell-shaded and/or had a stamina meter, people called it a BOTW clone as if Nintendo invented stamina or cell shading.
People forget how similar a lot of Pokémon are to Dragon Quest’s creatures, yet it’s only bad that Palworld did it
name one that has the same art style, we'll wait.
There development has been really open for 3 years so if Nintendo wanted they would have already taken action for plagiarism so people are just complaining for nothing
I completely disagree that you can't make the argument that some Pal designs were stolen from Pokémon, when of course, to boost your own argument, you use some of the less aggregious ones as examples. Take the rodent at 3:48. While the design overall may appear original, it is clearly a mix of Meowth for the body, Ampharos for the cone shaped ears, and most obvious of all the lightning shaped tail that is CLEARLY stolen from Raichu.
So while I agree that you'd have a hard time in court with something as simple as a sheep just because they look similar, are both round, and have the same color schemes. There are WAY more aggregious examples in the game. So yes... plagiarism it is. If there is smoke, there is fire, only it may not be a strong enough fire that Nintendo can sue.
For the battle royals one, the dude literally invented the game mode. Imo he should’ve been entitled to at least some sort of royalties
Giana Sisters on the C64 was the most obvious Mario rip off ever. But for us poor C64 owners it was awesome. I remember the first time I actually tried Mario on the NES. I kept thinking "Ok, Giana Sisters totally ripped this off allright, but why is it so slow?" The C64 all things considered was a sidescrolling beast.
People thinking Palworld is gonna be taken down by Pokemon… but these aren’t Pokemon
With Nintendo not really batting an eye to other Pokémon like games with the people going after PalWorld it kinda seems like Nintendo felt like they had to say something.
You spent a lot of time defending it though
lol nintendo is pursuing legal action against palworld as we speak, it was announced 2 days ago
Dude limbo of the lost stole so many things from assets to cutscenes from films. Its a legend in that regard.
Just wanted to say i appreciate your videos, its nice to have them on the background while doing other stuff.
If you want the same vibes as Pokemon: Brick Bronze, check out Loomian Legacy, TBradam, the dev of P:BB made it as a direct sequel, using some of the plot points from the finale of P:BB, and continued out the story and gameplay in a very similar way to the Pokemon games, but uses custom modeled Loomians, and is pretty far in development.
never played halo but i love splitgate 😔 sad it never got any updates
A lot of people like to draw comparisons to pal and poke" but its really Ark, and ark is rust, and rust is Day-Z.
The difference between the Mod and the game is that the only evidence that is substantial in the game is minute and farther between so it would require dissecting the assets further, as industry experts have even spoken that the similarities are bit concerning but not outright proof to them, whereas the mod used ripped assets directly. The AI part, if they did use AI in their process at all but did not disclose it would cause issue with being listed on Steam. I only have issue about your claims of studying the games as the developers stated they never even had real experience or knowledge before starting and learned while working, on top of the claim that their only designer who made all the pals did so in Middle school with a job on top? I honestly have been interested in this and had it ready to wishlist when it first announced, Craftopia put me off from pulling that trigger on release but if nothing is found from Nintendo's side and the hype doesn't just die off right away like these games tend to do, I will be buying this.
castleminer z? yea
People seem to forget that Pokemon stole most of its models and designs for them from Dragon Quest...
No Pokemon directly traces parts of the Dragon Quest monsters. It's not a Palworld situation.
Thanks for the blue balls. Lol
the only thing that the zelda fans backlash got on genshin was hoyoverse cancelling the switch port announced on release.
Idc what ppl say. I’m not even a fan of Pokémon but you can’t say they didn’t just rip off Pokémon. It’s like they didn’t even try to make it their own game lmao
1:29 if Pokémon is loosing to pal world then that’s how you definitely know Nintendo is dying
Dude, I DESPERATELY wanna' play Hit & Run again. I think about it all the time. I wish they'd remaster it and bring it to Xbox.
1:14 I'm sorry, they'll continue to do what?
Didn't gen 8 or 9 cut a bunch of mons from the national dex?
They only did it in the regional dex, not the national dex (if you know the series you should know the difference)
@@gerardoalexandergarciamend7053 Wait, what? I know the early gens, like 1-4. How were cuts made to the regional dex? Like, how does that work?
@@saprogeist31 Pokemon before were programmed into the game even if they had no entry in the regional dex. Starting with Gen 8, only the regional dex is programmed into the games, with the national dex with all mons handled by outside services like Home
30 years from now we'll all be waiting for murder Mike 3!
💥💥Nobody should be surprised most of the features from iPhone came from Android or Palm or Windows OS. iPhone has made a living off of copying.
In the end the most important thing we learned was basement dwellers really need to stop caring so much if one game is similar to another. Just play whatever games you enjoy, there's more important things to get upset about.
I find funny how most ppl mad at Palworld are just Pokemon fanboys that have been paying tons of money on the last pokemon games that clearly were outdated and with a lot of problems including reusing assets from older games, but are now really mad seeing a new fun take on the monster collecting genre that is CLEARLY a PARODY of Pokemon like a fan game. Don’t get me wrong I will fully be against it if the use of AI and real plagiarism is proven, but that’s really not what ppl are mad about, meanwhile that are other pokefans just enjoying the game exactly because they enjoy pokemon and want this new fun take on them that the real pokemon company won’t do.
If Nintendo felt threatened by palworld they would’ve put a stop to it forever ago
This is just my opinion but I think the reason why so many people are pissed is because someone that's not Nintendo made a much more fun and realistic pokémon like game and they don't want to admit it and they also hate the entire fakemon community.
21:06 pewdiepie moment
PUBG's complaint was that Epic used information they gained from helping with PUBG to make the Fortnite BR.
You guys didn't mention the mechwarrior/battletech vs. Robotech/macross drama
Never forget Total Miner Forge
Ahh i remember when smash clones came out and got forgotten about as well.
Genshin Impact is by far the most egregious
The clip that you used at 5:17 clearly shows 2 models overlapping with each other. It's obvious they just took the Pokemon model and changed it slightly then put it in their game. They didn't do this with all models obviously some were obviously just inspired by Pokemon but that clip CLEARLY shows identical 1:1 overlap in parts of the model soooooooo how is it not copyright infringement?????
Bro castleminer Z for a $1 you couldn't beat it!!! I played that game all the time!!!!!
You forgot Total Miner Forge! That was another 360 classic
RocketSloth Films dropping when?
Straight up, the people that say palworld plagiarized Pokémon are just stupid and there’s nothing you can do to fix that
Nintendo is shit company. But palworld basically did just rip them off. If not it’s borderline. Live in delusion if you want but it’s still obvious
Why do people hate inspiration? Why wouldn't you want more things inspired by the thing you like?
Man I miss the day before so much
You can't copywrite gameplay. If they were allowed to do that then we would only have a couple dozen games at best. Clones of games are fine as long as they aren't using someone elses assets.
The accusations were never about Palworld being another monster taming game, it was always about Palworld tracing parts of Pokemon.
Art Imposter sounds like a fun game