Improving iPadOS != making it macOS: iPad Pro Top Features
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- iPadOS doesnt need to be macOS, and the iPad doesnt need to be a Mac. iPadOS is an amazing operating system, but Apple must address a few fundamental flaws as it continues to improve the iPad experience.
I’ve been using the iPad Pro for the last few days exclusively, and it’s been a good experience on a lot of fronts. As I consider the new iPad Pro top features, I intertwine my thoughts on how Apple can fix iPadOS.
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Finally a video from someone who truly knows what it’s like to use an iPad daily. You put into words what I have been thinking for years. One of the best I’ve seen on the topic.
This is probably the best HDR video I’ve seen on TH-cam. It’s doesn’t over brighten everything and it just keeps the HDR for highlights. The skin tones still look normal compared to other videos where it sometimes looks too reddish. The iPad screen pops when you want to show it off and the backgrounds are beautiful, especially with that bokeh. Other TH-camrs should learn from this video.
That's what i'm saying!
I’m a developer. I want to code and compile on my iPad, just like artists want to draw, edit video, and create music. Why is my use case 2nd class? Doesn’t make sense.
Give us a macOS dual boot option and all the general use cases that the iPad currently doesn’t address would then be addressed. Not hard and doesn’t impact using the iPad as a tablet with iPadOS when desired.
Come on Apple. Make the iPad the magical pane of glass that you purport it to be…. For *all* pros.
And who buys the MacBooks do you think? Every Apple device have its own functions and characteristics, you can’t force Apple to put macOS into a device that’s thin and mobile like iPad, it just needs improving the key features that we need to use or miss it. Let’s just hope for the WWDC if Apple will add useful features for it or not I don’t know.
As a full time humanitarian professional, a mac version of ms office and file management system would qualify the ipad pro to be my only computer.
@@DevNTH203 We also need to use a touchscreen device from time to time, maybe just to scribble. Right now for this purpose and for our work we need to carry a mac and an ipad. If we can code on ipad that be the only thing we need to carry
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Are you being cynical? Or r u into apple greed? Maybe they could have macOS only on the iPad Pros with a requirement to have more storage & memory to jack up the price so much that most people wouldn’t consider buying an iPad unless they REALLY had a use case. That way apple gets their $$$$$s without much unit cannibalization but with a $2000 + price tag apple should not lose anything on their greed bottom line.
Coding requires a keyboard and traditional computing software. iPads are touch based operating systems and keyboards are an accessory not a requirement.
Your preferred device to use professionally is the MacBook. There are plenty of “professionals” that use pro apps on the iPad. I wish 9to5 Mac started reaching out to IPad professional USERS to find out what THEY want. Which profession needed a better scanner? It wasn’t tech TH-cam. Listen to the construction site worker, the healthcare professionals, the event planner, the digital artist or explore why education and enterprise are the two biggest purchasers of IPad. Talk to users that NEED the LiDAR, the Pencil, what apps do they use or why they prefer the iPad to the MacBook. I watched a video recently from a mariner, he didn’t mention final pro cut once. He was grateful Apple listened and finally increased the brightness of the display. He wanted Apple to fix the problem of when sailing below 7 miles an hour, the gps tracking goes to sleep. Viewers have heard enough from tech TH-cam about why the iPad falls short for them to last a lifetime.
THIS.
I'll vouch a few:
Shapr3D - Pencil. This is the kind of app born on the iPad many years ago taking full advantage for being a clean slate that now offers full Pro level features while beating every legacy PC/Mac apps I've come across in intuitiveness, ease of learning, ease of use, and most importantly "putting pen to paper".
PolyCam - LiDar (on iPhone too). This is the kind of apps that don't even bother making a Mac version. There's a web portal with minimal features so iPad is still the way to view, manage, edit scans.
Toggl Track(as Timery) for time tracking - widgets. I have 13 Timery widgets on the Home Screen to have all the insights - control current entry, daily, weekly, by weekday, monthly, breakdown within each projects. Timery offers the same on Mac too but guess what, there's no 2nd page for Mac desktop, plus the nature of the OS means I actually get to see iPad's Home screen, but almost never on a Mac.
To me is file management.. Apple needs to improve this already.. we need a progress bar for when we’re saving photos or files on external drives .. 🤷🏻♂️
iPad OS is fine tbh, it’s just the apps. I’m a music producer and I don’t want to use Logic Pro. I would love to use Ableton or my other VSTs on iPad. Note (Ableton iOS app) doesn’t cut it. It needs the MacOS apps to really make it click into being in my workflow than being another screen at my desk.
The file system is so barebones, and that’s a part of iPad OS amongst other things. Both it and apps definitely need a revamp
Apple cannot force developers to build for iPadOS; the devs may have good reasons why they do not port to iPadOS; some Windows apps are not on macOS.
@@extra4542 Apps are sandboxed, so the file manager is restricted by the backend architecture. This will not change unless Apple rebuilds that part of the engine. But iOS is built on the foundation of security and privacy as a modern OS. In all likelihood, MS would have done the same if they also started 17 years ago.
The most frustrating thing is that there's no directly apparent technical reason anymore why macOS apps can't run on iPad, they are adapted to ARM. The problems appear when you think about the system as a whole... imagine using Ableton on this file-management hell that is iPad OS, without VST support, no proper window handling, no proper audio and midi device handling, etc.. Simply allowing macOS apps without drastically overhauling the whole iPad OS wouldn't work. They pinned themselves into a corner with the whole iPad Pro thing. So in an ideal world, they would rewrite iPad OS from the ground up to make it do everything we want it to. But I seriously doubt it's going to happen.
First iPad video I’ve seen in a while that wasn’t entirely predictable
I'm looking for a multiuse device with portability, long battery life, amazing screen resolution and the ability to do amateur-level video editing for personal use only. As much as I can appreciate the frustration that professional video and content editors (and other professional users) may have with iPadOS, many of us are simply looking for a fun-to-own-fun-to-use device. After watching this and several others, I went with the 2TB model with the Magic Keyboard and Pencil. It was gawd awful expensive, but the confidence that the M4 and 2TB will allow me to own this device for several years gives me confidence that it was money well spent. Not everyone is trying to make a living using Apple products, some of us are just trying to live life and Apple, IMO, does an amazing job of making that journey far more accessible and enjoyable.
I use both a mac and an iPad and find myself using and enjoying the iPad a lot more than my MacBook Pro. The new PRO ipads are stunningly beautiful and a joy to work on and carry around. The new keyboard is perfect. The fit and finish are amazing. It is light, portable. Really good for reading. I am sick and tires of all the people on TH-cam clamoring to say something negative.
It's a common pitfall but actually, no, the Magic Keyboard is not a must have. It is one only if you *wish* to "replace" a Mac's job part-time or full-time, but if you use it for what it is, alongside a Mac, I certainly don't see a need for one, especially since Universal Control is fairly robust nowadays.
Similarly for the Pencil. The hover is a huge update in the form of a mouse cursor making it an easy recommend to people using it in tablet form. But if you keep the iPad in the MK 90% of time... the Pencil is redundant.
The MK and Pencil is a good analogy for the two paths iPad Pro are taking on - a MacBook lite, a... Pro iPad.
I tried the MacBook lite path heavily back in 2021. It's fine, but it's not where it excels at.
Using it as a Pro iPad now alongside my Mac really makes me appreciate its strength - Pencil, LiDar, intuitiveness minded apps, portability, massive widget screens, and ofc portable entertainments.
It's commendable to further improve being a MacBook lite, but the iPad will not become a Mac, it shouldn't be, so the real deal shouldn't be aiming to make it do exactly what a Mac does. It's silly once you read it out loud. Just make it better at what it excels at.
Apart from the awful file management, The core problem is the closed platform that is IPadOs, people seems to complain about the limited apps but forget that developers have to follow app store´s guide lines, and those are too restrictive...
There’s million of apps. Look harder. I use plug ins, and tandem software on my iPad Pro all the time.
@@Realdaveromero You mean plugins in Safari? Also what is tandem software, I’m curious?
yea I agree, most apps in the app store can only clone it's apple made counterpart.
Apple survives because it is a closed platform. They nearly went but when they opened macOS up in their early days, which is like an inbuilt defence with modern Apple; not repeating history. People have a choice, and 700 million iPad sales suggest Apple knows what it is doing for the core market and will not risk it all for a niche demographic that probably would even complain if they did it.
Sandboxed apps equals a restricted file manager. That will not change without Apple opening up apps, and that is unlikely.
Yeah. The iPad could easily run fusion360 and be used to run a design studio on, but the program isn’t available on ipadOs. It’s so sad as the hardware is as powerful if not more powerful than most macs currently. The iPad was always supposed to live between the iPad and Mac. Doing better what those 2 couldn’t. It makes sense it there is a iPhone like software option and a Mac like software option, to survive in between those products. With iPhones and phones overall getting bigger and bigger, the large screen isn’t enough for it to stand out
Always count on you for thoughtful analysis, rather than mindless parroting of what everyone else is saying.
It's true tho.. a more capable ipad OS is much better than a Mac OS port. iOS apps are way more polished and we just need to be able to have 20 of them on a window if we want with something more like mission control organizing it all. And then make the apps as good or better than the desktop ones and people will wonder why we need Mac os.
Great video. I agree with much of what you said. I recently picked up the 11-inch air for light video editing. Loved my Mini, but decided to risk trading it in for the promise of these new tablets. I don’t want MacOs and I’m making a huge effort to NOT use a keyboard. What has shocked me with ALL of the editing apps is the lack of real Pencil Pro support. If Apple and developers updated their apps to take advantage of more context sensitive commands in the pencil, the video editing experience could be amazing. I constantly wanted to press the pencil to make the timeline play/pause, or to initiate some kind of scroll wheel (like the tools in the drawing apps) for in/out setting, insert and overwrite edits automatically on the timeline. The pencil is SORELY underutilized and could totally change the comfort of interacting with just the screen.
Benjamin you are correct. The iPad does not need macOS it needs iPadOS to get more professional features. Features like true multitasking where processes run currently. The files app needs better file handling features. Stage manager these not to limit the number windows per stage, or the number of stages. I'm sure there are more but those are the ones I always have off the top of my head.
Honestly the A12Z bionic is when I started hearing that the chip has outpaced the software
I like your take on iPadOS. Agree that they need to keep iPadOS and macOS separate but add more features to iPadOS.
Thanks for not making this another iPad should have MacOS video. I like iPadOS, but also recognize there are short comings. Hoping Apple steps it up and makes iPadOS all it can be, The iPad really deserves it and so does the loyal iPad lovers/users out here.
I loved the comment: it is like running through water. I’ve lived iPad since the first one, but when trying to use for work related tasks (with few exceptions), that analogy nails it!
I use my M1 iPad Pro every single day in conjunction with my M1 iMac. It is my portable computer. I'd love to know if you think the M4 iPad Pro is a worthy upgrade when coming from the M1.
Great video.
I used the 12.9” M1 iPad Pro as my sole personal computer for just over 2 years. Talking specifically to what iPad OS needs. It needs the full featured Finder like Mac OS has. Like you said file management becomes an issue. And there’s no way to format an external drive if needed. It needs full driver support. I couldn’t plug in a printer. Need to be able to open multiple instances of an application.
I think they could easily give iPad OS these features and still keep iPad OS its own separate experience and evolution.
On the whole my takeaway was, I love the iPad experience.
What crazy is, the ONLY thing that keeps the iPad from being my all in one, is that the engine they use to process RAW doesn't support Sony A7CR. I don't want to use Lightroom, so if Photomator and Pixelmator get updated to support my camera, I wouldn't need DXO Photolab anymore and I'd be good to go on the Apple front. All my other software needs are met, Obsidian works great, Resolve works great, it's just the photo side that lacking for me.
Interesting. How do you like Resolve on iPad? Does the lack of a touch-first interface bother you any? Are you using the Studio Version? So many questions. Resolve is, without a doubt, the most full featured NLE on iPad. I couldn’t figure out to record voiceovers though.
Thank you 9to5Mac! Straight forward honest Apple reviews that address strengths and weaknesses are crucial to us all. Why, because they validate the user experience and give direction to device creators. Ignore demand for software enhancement, longer lasting batteries and low cost long enough and someone else will steal your market share?
Does FCP for iPad allow R3D files to me imported?
i has have like 10 ipads since his release and macos and 16 inch ipad would save the world for me and it will rock the industry
iPadOS really needs better ways to get audio in and out of the device and apps. Like a build in audio hikjack for mac into the os made by apple (prefer kind of integrated in the audio selector somehow). Same with video if this M4 is such a power house give us ways to route audio/video in/out and maybe even change along the way (like facetime kind of does with studio mode etc etc). The ipad M4 could be a video/audio powerhouse esp. if someone was able to add say a 4 usb/hdmi in 4 audio inputs and we could route/cast it to the output of the ipad again. With finalcut pro 2 and other apps lets see what apple decides to put in the next OS but next to a few of the things you outline this is what is needed for more audio/video use. 100% agree i don't want macOS on my ipads just make it a better tool in video/audio creation so it can show of its m4 power of the encoders, decoders etc etc
I mainly have to use chrome/sheets/drive etc for work and have tried to make the switch before but found it far too frustrating even with stage manager going. Granted i understand why these wouldnt play nicely with iPadOS in the first place but still
How did you turn that Space Black iPad into a Silver one? :)
My problem with Ipad and people who admittedly defend it is that they just wave off every complaint as someone just wanting it to be a laptop. People wanting a full fledged program even as simple as a full scale Pages doesn’t mean you want something to be a laptop. People want it to be a computer. Pro shouldn’t just narrowly mean for artists which is who benefits the most from Ipads. They should be targeting other “pros” at this point.
I just got my first iPad that has iPadOS (last one only had an old iOS version) and I love it but there are some issues. I agree with you for the most part. File management is a pain sometimes for the reasons you mentioned. I'd also like to see sideloading support and better multitasking. Stage Manager is pretty good but it feels really restrictive when I want to move windows around. I'd like to see more of a desktop approach to Stage Manager. Let me customize the behavior a bit. When I close an app window, let me go back to the desktop if it was the only window open instead of going to another app open in the background.
This was an awesome video. Thank you for giving us better examples as to why you think ipadOS needs to be better. I like the new iPad and made the jump from the M1. I really didn’t want to spend the money, but I like the new keyboard, new camera orientation, and the screen. I did wish that they gave the 512 option full access to the M4 chip and hate that I can’t use the old Apple Pencil, or my old portfolio case. But that’s apple, and I am getting used to having to pay to play. I guess time will tell, but I do hope that iOS 18 gives us folks that spent the money for this new iPad a little something extra.
Interesting video. I have the iPad Pro 13 inch M4. The other thing missing from macOS is a desktop of some kind. Some sort of iPad desktop would make a great difference and somewhere to park work in progress.
Why did you buy your device.
Great hardware. And I do agree IPADOS needs to improve as competition heats up. Has been my main device for years. But that Surface Pro with the X Elite chip is beckoning me to switch.
I think most complaints stem from the fact that IpadOS feels much more like iPhone OS than MacOS. It feels too much like a glorified phone to most users than an advertised Macbook companion. It needs to become a complete stand-alone from MacOS and IOS.
Maybe it does need to be a fully functional hybrid system. Maybe app developers just needs to catch up to the power of iPadOS. Idk.
Everything you said would be easily resolved if Apple unify iOS, iPadOS, MacOS (and their respective apps) into one thing; and manage the user interfaces as "launchers", one for small touch screens, another for large touch screens and another to use with a connected keyboard and mouse. All the hard work to make this happen is already established in the core of both OS and Xcode.
I want to see this matte display in person. I wonder how that will stand up to heavy pencil use.
I just want the iPad to be able to run full MacOS apps now. Even basic things like Excel. Maybe if you have a keyboard and mouse attached you can run the full desktop version instead of the hamstrung macOS version. Although like you said, the lack of a universal menu bar probably keeps that from happening.
I listed over twenty reasons why putting macOS on an iPad would be risky and unlikely to succeed. The main reason is that MS tried it, failed miserably, and became the only one in the tablet sector. That is undoubtedly a warning that compromising to make a device a hybrid will make both platforms worse. Other reasons include that iPados jetsams apps when RAM runs short, and even with some swap now, this would mean potential nightmares for users switching their work to respond to an email and returning to find their work gone. Another reason is that most iPads, 99% have only 8GB of RAM and are less efficient than on macOS. In every Macbook review, people complain that 8GB is not enough; now, they want macOS despite the fact that most pro macOS apps need 32GB or more to be the most productive for pros. I could go on, but you get the drift; it is why Apple says they will never do it, and why you should accept it. Buy a Mac and iPad like I do, and be happy!
@@andyH_England I don't want macOS on my iPad, I would just like ipads to be able to run full versions of apps if the iPad can support it and you say have a keyboard and mouse connected. My workaround at the moment is to remote into one of my macs or PCs from the iPad when I'm traveling and don't take both with me. That works fine as long as I have an internet connection that is reasonable.
Credit where credit is due, my 90 year old grandmother uses an M1 iPad Air daily. I had to setup initial accounts for apps for her, but she’s been daily using iPadOS since the iPad Mini 2. Touch ID is awful for people with arthritis and she has to use a passcode for everything, but that’s the only big complaint. In my use case however , I need terminal and disc utility. The fact that Apple music is missing all the editable features on the iPadOS version frustrates me to no end. It’s not so much MacOS that I want as much as continuity for first party apps across Apple’s platforms. Why are all the iPadOS versions of something half baked and missing features of their MacOS equivalents?
The issue with tech reviews of an iPad is that most of the TH-camrs are well, TH-camrs. Not everyone works with their computer and iPad for most people is not their work device. However, that does not mean its not important. For me as a student, it is perfect. Can take written or typed notes, can search for information on the web, can store large amounts of text documents to study from. I will be graduating 1 month from now and going to work. I need a reliable computer to check and sort emails, sort photos and documents, search the web, watch web videos (I dont have a TV and probably never will), communicate with others on social media, studying to improve my work… the list goes on. An iPad with a magic keyboard is much more suitable device for this than a MacBook
Is there something wrong with the lighting on this or did the iPad editing cause this? The video is very dim/muted. 🧐
Wow I could see the difference of the new oled display watching on a 12.9 mini led IPad Pro that being said we should’ve get 6 speakers and 15 hrs battery life on the new 13 inch models
I wish Apple would create an app to make any shortcuts I want
I hope file management is a feature Apple addresses in iPad OS 18. Good review, thanks.
Most of them will never be happy with what Apple does, this probably who they are through out their daily life
Great video, nice work!
I think you are the only one I have seen providing practical constructive feedback on what makes iPadOS fall short in a number of instances/use cases. Thanks for that!
I would love to use the iPad for more of my work functions. The word that resonated with me in your video was “clunky”.
You are so right regarding the lack of a menu bar or another innovative way to align apps. I love using the iPad and will continue to for the uses that work well for me. I also look forward to seeing iPadOS continue to grow and improve. Hoping for some major updates in WWDC. Thanks again 👍👌
So refreshing, thank you Jeff.
No, sorry, my main issue with the iPad is the poorly featured mobile apps. Sure, Apple and couple other companies have released a couple apps that are close to the desktop versions, but that is the exception to the rule. For example, the Office 365 apps are horrible; I use the online versions in a browser instead of the apps.
Also, I don’t know if Safari is this way, but the Firefox browser is not even close to the browser on a real computer; for example, trying to pay for something with PayPal just opens an ‘about:blank’ page and I cannot complete the transaction so I either have to go to my desktop or find another way to pay.
I either want the M-class iPads to be able to run apps with the same features as desktop apps, whether that means improving iPadOS or making these iPads into Mac tablets. I cannot see Apple doing either though.
Still say the Air should be the thin and light product , and the Pro product shouldnt really lose features or regress. Losing ultrawide and a mic and the speakers not possibly being as good in a physically smaller body all hurt the product. They mustve not hit sales goals in previous ipad pros and wanted to go a different direction, but again I would say thats more appropriate for the Air product to be so thin and light. Now theres kinda no where they can go further with it? (any thinner and lighter and theyd have to remove the usb c port and if anything there should be at least TWO usb c ports for accessories on a Pro product). I would be mildly interested in a folding ipad in the future I guess .... if the hardware gets to be 15-18 inches so that improves portability, but I dont see other major innovations in the ipad pro's future. wifi 7 will probably be the top selling point of the next model
Sounds like the biggest needs are file management, (one of the things I hate is I cant right click and open a doc in any app that can read that format!), multiple streams of audio, full apps - I think the latter is the real problem - we need full blown MacOS apps written to be on the iPad ie touch first - maybe the 30% charge is part of the problem, maybe a 2 year amnesty would help
The problem is that the market for iPad Pros is so small that devs have to be cash-rich to invest in something that is unlikely to get any return over cost for years. Only five million iPad Pro sales are expected this year, and that is obviously a very limited market, especially as only a small percentage would use each new app. Hence, the dev's reluctance.
@@andyH_England Apple should make it easy to write for macOS and run on iPadOS with no recompile. That means touch frameworks that work like pointer frameworks built into macOS. Apple should suspend Apple Store fees for 2 years if the app is in the pro category eg full Microsoft Office
12:35 thought my internet speeds plummeted for a sec
You make the HDR enabled tech videos and it’s worth it
give us an option to boot into MacOS for advanced features and iPadOS for other things. I love my iPad for gaming and drawing but I just can properly work in iPadOS for more advanced things.
I wish iPadOS supported RTF copy and paste!
You NAILED it!
No thread thing is well said
I think you nailed it. The typical File Management rant and MacOS dual boot demand seemed lazy and narrow minded. Other TH-camrs don't take into account the wider aspects of iPad like accessibility and did not (probably could not) go through a thought process of how to bridge the shortcomings of iPadOS. Hope Apple is watching this and taking notes. 👏
iPadOS is the only reason why I'm not going to buy another iPad Pro, unless they give us MacOS or significant OS upgrades. Until then new Surface Pro OLED is it for me.
this is the homepod mini vid mentioned: th-cam.com/video/WBe7lM-cVbI/w-d-xo.html
Thank you. Don’t need a UI that completely doesn’t work with touch to be put on a platform that encourages touch.
That’s the same mistake that was done on Windows where the UI was terrible because they just put a desktop UI on a touch screen device.
I also don’t want Dex where you have to reboot your OS. Instead make it the best of iPadOS
Yes, this is the time to look at recent history where MS became irrelevant in the tablet market because they did precisely what a vocal niche demographic asked: they tried to make hybrid devices. That would or should be a red flag as to why Apple is adamant that they will never put macOS on iPads. Recent interviews confirmed that even in the long term, Apple has yet to make plans to do this. People should move on and buy an iPad Pro if it does what they want, and buy something else if it doesn't, or buy both as I did.
Excellent video. Your points are valid.
To be like a computer replacement for me. I wish it was bigger than 13 in. It's kind of small. Samsung offers bigger screens. I wish Apple would have done the same. I mostly use it for drawing and art apps take up a lot of space on the side so having like a 16-in screen would be perfect. It would make it better for watching movies and playing games as well.
Also their stage manager kind of sucks when you mirrors a display in stage manager. It doesn't even make the apps full screen When you mirror the display onto your monitor They should have something like dex on Samsung where it emulates a PC desktop.
bigger ipad is presumably coming in future once they add folding models, but it's still a few years off
@@dman7895 yeah, that's why I didn't max out on the specs for this one. There was rumors that a 15 16 -in version was coming out. It was called iPad ultra. But they canceled it last second because they couldn't get the OLEDs green to work on a bigger screen. From what I understand, it's harder to make old lit screens that are bigger. The bigger you make it the more quality you lose. That's why OLED screens on TVs aren't the best
safari in ipados is still not the same as safari in macos and the cursor also behave differently so it failed some functionalities in some web apps. The limitation is small but makes the app useless 😂
Btw - this review looks beautiful in HDR
The M4 is pretty darn powerful, and it could but the OS will not let it! Tell me why the MacBook pro will allow you to open more windows then?? Yes it does need IOS from MacBook to see its full potential! Plus it will benefit a lot more people that want to use IOS on the OS iPad Pro! : )
also, watch iPadOS 18 being a minor iteration over the previous release
Just get a Mac mini and use a iPad as the monitor. Then you get the best of both worlds.
All of these things you mention MacOS does and would be a clear improvement over iPad os
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Don't fool yourself, 256gb is a storage upgrade you definitely paid $200.00 more for. Nothing changed!
Great job and a very interesting video. I agree with your theme. It is a great product and a good operating system that can be better without becoming a MacBook.
What I personally hate about iPadOS is the inflexibility in managing the desktop. Why can't we place the icons anywhere on the screen, rather than the icon placements being 'forced' into a left-to-right grid. Why can't we put a widget anywhere we want? Right now I hate how all the icons shift and move around (often in ways I DON'T want them to move) if I try to place a widget where I want it. The desktop is so inflexible. Just imagine if we could place icons and widgets anywhere on the screen, like on a PC.
Great video by the way. This felt like a well thought-out review.
The iPad is a large iPod Touch right? Your assessment is spot on!
I don't want MacOS on the iPad, but the ability to download apps made for MacOS - even if they only work with the Magic Keyboard, and not touch. There are specialised programs which are just not available for iPadOS, and that stop users of those programs using the their iPad Pro as a laptop replacement. And the reason I want that ability to do so, is so I don't have to travel the world with two devices weighing down my backpack, when 90% I can do fine on the iPad, but I still must take the Mac for that other 10%. It is frustrating!
Still can't reformat a USB drive.
It’s not just a software problem - it’s also price point issue. Why would someone pay MORE for an iPad Pro that literally has same specs as a high end MacBook Pro and is less capable as a computing device? As a UX professional, I learned a long time ago simplicity actually gets in the way of “expert” users doing what they need to do.
It is a premium luxury device aimed at people with high disposable incomes.
I agree with the idea of making iPad OS better instead of just slapping macOS onto the iPad Pro. The problem is that I have serious doubts it's going to happen anytime soon. I watched an interview with Craig Federeghi recently where he talked about the challenges of implementing drag and drop (!) into iPad OS, because of the sandboxed app architecture of the OS. The problems lie deep within the structure of the OS, there's no denying that iPad OS just stems from an operating system designed to run on a phone. It's never going to be a "real computer", because it runs an OS that was never meant to be used for a computer. The whole clunkyness in file management, multi-tasking, external audio devices, external displays etc. stems from the fact that the iPad is run like a big phone with bits and bobs being hot-glued onto it, creating a Frankenstein-esque monstrosity on the verge of falling apart (to be overly dramatic here). It needs a rewrite. And if it doesn' get that, people are looking for the next natural thing: give us macOS.
Just buy a Mac and be done with it.
@@mosijahi3096 yes since the Mac is known for its outstanding multi-touch capabilities
@@nicholasbinder5593 good point,so buy a Surface Pro.
The iPad can remain an iPad. No one is saying anything about the basic iPad. Everyone can relax. The iPad Pro on the other hand needs MacOS. Period. Nothing watered down, no goofy spot for a pointer. Just full MacOS.
Apple only sells five million iPad Pros a year, falling 5-10% a year as people keep them longer. There is not much of an upside to making the Pros more like macOS as it would likely only mean Macbook users switching to iPads, just parking the problem elsewhere. Apple's business model is to buy both. That is a sensible business strategy and, for users, also the best solution as you have the best of both worlds.
@@andyH_England It wouldnt cost anymore than making it a diffrent color or engraving.That is absolutely not an issue. It's just software. Especially if it's off the shelf MacOS;
I use the iPad but I use it differently from almost everyone that complains about it. I use it as just an iPad. No keyboard. I also have a server at home that syncs all my files between all devices. I also have the 5G iPad, letting me use it anywhere. Carrying just the iPad without the keyboard and using it as an iPad is where the purchase makes sense.
Does this mean you use a NAS?
@@everettwinterlast8704 nope. An old mac mini.
True . Never ever used stickers
The iPads are good, I think consumers/professionals would have to invest in the iPad way of working in order for the iPad to get better. Maybe if more people buy in, then developers would see a reason to do the same...???
I always look forward to Benjamins Videos. Always thoughtful
iPad would be great for military use and is for some. However, iPadOS can’t easily recognize and use a CAC reader like macOS and windows can for us military folks.
best ipad pro review 100%
It's not just iPadOS, its the silly tiny screen!
I still think the iPad is worthwhile, but for other stuff.
You can use an external display with iPad, and Stage Manager is pretty decent. The MacBook Pro comes with a 13-inch screen too.
@@9to5MacI wouldn't think it's decent apps. Don't go full screen. I usually use it for drawing and I've still think 13 in is too small for that. A lot of MacBooks and other laptops. Least have a 15-in screen. Samsung has like a 14.6-in screen tablet. They were going to release a 14 or 16-in iPad but they canceled it last second because of complications with the OLED. That's why I didn't spec out this one or try to make it like a PC replacement because the screen was too tiny.
@@9to5Mac True, but I think its main benefit is a media device, amazing external display for your MacBook when traveling, now an awesome Emulation / casual gaming device and of course the perfect device for people that just want to use the Internet (Safari / TH-cam / Mail / the usual).
iPadOS needs:
• Full Terminal.
• File App needs to be more like Finder (Ability to choose default apps for files, Extension support, automations support, etc).
• Simultaneous recording with both cameras.
• iWork needs to be the full version.
• Ability to add files to desktop.
• Xcode (or the ability compile and run code).
• Native support for Mouse and keyboards.
Incorrect. YOU need a MacBook.
Leave iPads alone; they are tablets. Buy a laptop, and you will have all these!
I'd take a dual boot or even MacOS Virtual Machine App at this point.. iPads can't be glorified Netflix/TH-cam slabs forever, or else the Dev support will get even worse. In 2024, we still have apps intended for iOS being scaled to take up the entire screen on 13" inch tablets.
i don't really see the "menu bar" argument. it's the one thing that i hate on the Mac; and what i find appealing about iPadOS is precisely the sandboxing of the apps, and their inability to control/affect system behavior.
great video otherwise!
Every single word, 100%! Thanks Jeff!
iPads don't need MacOS literally, but iPadOS does need to adopt several MacOS features and options. I would love this version of iPadOS if it were on the iPhone though.
What’s different between iOS and iPad os
Great content… I think editing on the iPad got you at 10:17 where your sentence was cut too early. 😉
Haha yep 🤣
It still does need macOS; at least virtualising mac apps at a minimum
I just think is stubborn trying to reinvent the wheel over and over again. Trying to use an iPad for editing video or music when a laptop is undisputedly the most competent devise… Look, in my opinion, iPads are cool for doing paintings on apps like Procreate or taking handwritten notes on apps like Goodnotes… Other than that, just give me MacOS.
I hope ipad can call, text, code someday.
Sorry, I thought the unboxing portion was unnecessary to the video
… the iPhone was introduced without fanfaring a new breakthru operating system … - Jobs said it would run OS-X … so. find a way for iPhone and iPad to run macOS, and stop nickel/diming us with iOS and iPadOS, in any version …
That’s why I’m waiting for WWDC first before I upgrade my iPad. I really hope they step up the software this year.
Whatever happened to miles?
He’s with MKBHD
The complaints you have with Final Cut Pro have nothing to do with the OS. It has to do with the fact that FCP for iPad is less than a year old and had to be rewritten from scratch to be touch friendly. Over time, It’ll gain what functions it needs and may get functions the desktop version doesn’t get due to the iPad’s ultra portability. The OS is not limiting FCP. As for files, you can’t see the location due to sandboxing. The OS maintains a dedicated storage space for each app and no app can interfere with any other app’s storage. That is not going to change no matter what. Finder will never come to iPad for that reason.
Sorry, I wasn’t trying to blame FCps shortcomings on iPadOS, it was just a general observation more or less. It definitely is possible to see the location of files, if the developer chooses to do so. Otherwise, features like editing from external storage would not be possible. LumaFusion does that.
@@9to5Mac FCP 2.0 promises editing projects straight from external drives. These problems you’re having is due to FCP being a relatively new product. I’m sure it’ll all come eventually. Apple makes an exception for external drives to allow apps to see them just as apps can see cloud-based drives like Dropbox or iCloud. If I were to offer a suggestion to Apple, they should create a dedicated sandbox not dedicated to any app but is free for all apps to read/write to. That may resolve some issues without compromising sandboxing.
True. Apple users are so used to being cucked that they can't fathom fixing iPad OS without just turning it into OS X, another Apple product that already exists. Give it a real file directory. Not that hard. And I'm fairly sure it's Apple's API's creating this problem, such as forcing all browsers to be Webkit based. I just can't see any other explanation. Every single app on iPad is expressly worse than the desktop counterparts, and given how much enthusiasm there is for iPad I cannot believe nobody has attempted to make desktop class apps for it.
Nah bro. The OS sucks and is very limiting. File manager is absolute garbage. You can't install browser plugins. And the price went through the roof!
I would always prefer the mac over the iPad.