Cool video, wish I stumbled upon this sooner. I bought the gates kit from lots of people in the forum recommending them. But after watching your video I had no idea the quality differences are clear as day. On another note my factory alternator started squeaking at 66k which is what started me down this rabbit hole of wanting to replace all the pulleys and tensioners etc
STAY AWAY FROM GATES! Their box looks cool but their product SUCKS! I have had water pumps fail from Gates after 60,000 miles and cause catastraphic engine damage to a Honda V6 J Series engine. Gates belts that get holes in them after 2 - 3 months. GATES IS JUNK! On your OE tensioner just replace the bearing with a high quality Koyo bearing. The spring in the tensioner rarely fails and it's the bearings that go out. You can do that with the tensioner and the idler both, reinstall the OE parts and your good to go for another 100,000 miles. Great video!
Gates used to make good quality parts numerous years ago. They used to be the go to timing belt kits in the Subaru world. That was back when they sourced their parts from Japan. When they switched over to China they relaxed their quality standards and the parts are now what they are.
I replaced a stock functional dayco tensioner at 120k simply because it was due for replaced with the gates option. At 150k the tensioner started squealing…time to go back to dayco
As an update…it really depends on make and model. I had a dayco that was defective as soon as I installed on my 04 Camry. Swapped it with the gates tensioner and it’s far better. Sometimes this pro/con is more than one brand vs another. As for the tensioners showcased in this video for the tundra, dayco is the way to go
I used a Gates kit for my Mitsubishi. It had a water pump because you have to remove the timing belt tensioner to replace it. The old pump had well over 100K on it and was in perfect condition. The new Gates pump lasted less than 40k before it went out.
Also the Gates keyhole to hold the tensioner spring is in a different location and makes installation more difficult. I will let you know how mine holds up just put a "new" one on and noticed all the same issues you did immediately :(
1 quick question. If there is nothing wrong with the tensioner part couldnt you just replace the pulley part of the tensioner? That is where the noise is coming from. The belt tension is fine and there doesn't appear to be anything wrong there. The Dayco pulley is about 26 dollars and seems like a more cost effective fix for the issue. Is there a reason I should replace the whole part when the pulley is the issue?
For my Toyota cars and trucks I ONLY use actual Toyota brand serpentine belts or Mitsuboshi (NOT Mitsubishi, different Japanese companies) brand which is a supplier of belts to Toyota and Lexus.
Thanks for a good detailed report KH - I presume the Tundra is our Australian Hilux - I’m researching the cost and brands options for replacing my 2010 Toyota Hilux Auto Diesel 4WD and is the pre-DPF series N70 - glad you were able to confirm what I found from others about Gates - I presume the stretching belt reputation for the DAYCO brand has been addressed? My Toyota dealership here in Australia sells the kit (no water pump) for around A$340 but on EBay the DAYCO kit sells for around A$150 locally sourced - if Toyota ‘brand engineers’ the DAYCO kit then that’s quite a markup.
No way the tundra is no where close to a hilux. The only north American Toyota close to the hilux will be the Tacoma and they are way different . I would research parts for your specific hilux . By they way us Toyota fans wish we could get our hands on a Toyota hilux
@@albono780 OK thanks Al - I’ll talk with local mechanics - us an update one told me they’ve had failures with the DAYCO idler bearing so I will go genuine Toyota with that part.
About to replace mine finally now. Really good to see someone bring this up before I officially replaced mine. Kinda wondering though you are replacing yours after so short of a time. I've gone over 300k before mine is now needing done.
That terrible. I have a 02 Tundra 4.7 and the Gates kit is made in Canada and indistinguishable from the OEM unit I pulled. Gates must be fumbling the ball.
ONLY run OEM on Toyota!!! I work on these daily. There’s a reason Toyota lasts so long and it’s not because they use CHINA parts. The Dayco isn’t equivalent to OEM. There are different tiers of products made by the same manufacturer. The OE is higher quality vs consumer options. Toyota is either NSK or KOYO typically (bearing manufacturers). And why the hell are you replacing belts so often?? EPDM belts will easily last 100k. That’s a fact
Cool video, wish I stumbled upon this sooner. I bought the gates kit from lots of people in the forum recommending them. But after watching your video I had no idea the quality differences are clear as day. On another note my factory alternator started squeaking at 66k which is what started me down this rabbit hole of wanting to replace all the pulleys and tensioners etc
STAY AWAY FROM GATES! Their box looks cool but their product SUCKS! I have had water pumps fail from Gates after 60,000 miles and cause catastraphic engine damage to a Honda V6 J Series engine. Gates belts that get holes in them after 2 - 3 months. GATES IS JUNK! On your OE tensioner just replace the bearing with a high quality Koyo bearing. The spring in the tensioner rarely fails and it's the bearings that go out. You can do that with the tensioner and the idler both, reinstall the OE parts and your good to go for another 100,000 miles. Great video!
Yup, Gates must have been sold off? INA, SKF, SNR, NTN, & SWAG
Gates used to make good quality parts numerous years ago. They used to be the go to timing belt kits in the Subaru world. That was back when they sourced their parts from Japan. When they switched over to China they relaxed their quality standards and the parts are now what they are.
Weren't they sold off? There's plenty of quality coming out of China, Hengst, INA, Mahle
Not all of their pulleys are made in China. Many are made in CANADA and are OE quality.
Just bought a Dayco kit for my 2003 Taurus. I guess your video confirms I made the correct choice.
Glad I found your video, I almost bought that kit from Amazon, definitely going with Dayco parts now. Thx
This why I buy straight from Toyota. I will pay the extra cash for OEM piece of mind.
I replaced a stock functional dayco tensioner at 120k simply because it was due for replaced with the gates option. At 150k the tensioner started squealing…time to go back to dayco
As an update…it really depends on make and model. I had a dayco that was defective as soon as I installed on my 04 Camry. Swapped it with the gates tensioner and it’s far better. Sometimes this pro/con is more than one brand vs another. As for the tensioners showcased in this video for the tundra, dayco is the way to go
I used a Gates kit for my Mitsubishi. It had a water pump because you have to remove the timing belt tensioner to replace it. The old pump had well over 100K on it and was in perfect condition. The new Gates pump lasted less than 40k before it went out.
So...gates belts are better than Dayco belts?
Also the Gates keyhole to hold the tensioner spring is in a different location and makes installation more difficult. I will let you know how mine holds up just put a "new" one on and noticed all the same issues you did immediately :(
Yea I don’t blame you I’m sticking to dayco just got my idle number one .
Dayco for me from now on ? Contitech/continental good 👍 too
1 quick question. If there is nothing wrong with the tensioner part couldnt you just replace the pulley part of the tensioner? That is where the noise is coming from. The belt tension is fine and there doesn't appear to be anything wrong there. The Dayco pulley is about 26 dollars and seems like a more cost effective fix for the issue. Is there a reason I should replace the whole part when the pulley is the issue?
Would go Contitech or Febi/Bilstein
Daico it is then. Thanks for the comparison!
For my Toyota cars and trucks I ONLY use actual Toyota brand serpentine belts or Mitsuboshi (NOT Mitsubishi, different Japanese companies) brand which is a supplier of belts to Toyota and Lexus.
GMB any good?
Just had shop replace mine with Dayco so that is reassuring
Thanks for a good detailed report KH - I presume the Tundra is our Australian Hilux - I’m researching the cost and brands options for replacing my 2010 Toyota Hilux Auto Diesel 4WD and is the pre-DPF series N70 - glad you were able to confirm what I found from others about Gates - I presume the stretching belt reputation for the DAYCO brand has been addressed? My Toyota dealership here in Australia sells the kit (no water pump) for around A$340 but on EBay the DAYCO kit sells for around A$150 locally sourced - if Toyota ‘brand engineers’ the DAYCO kit then that’s quite a markup.
No way the tundra is no where close to a hilux. The only north American Toyota close to the hilux will be the Tacoma and they are way different . I would research parts for your specific hilux . By they way us Toyota fans wish we could get our hands on a Toyota hilux
@@albono780 OK thanks Al - I’ll talk with local mechanics - us an update one told me they’ve had failures with the DAYCO idler bearing so I will go genuine Toyota with that part.
Just wondering where the Dayco tensioner was made?
The Dayco for my Ford was US made
Great insight and info thanks for the video.
funny this is exactly the video i was looking for thanks
damn changed the belt three times? shout out to you!
Dayco supplies a great deal for the Korean manufacturers Kia & Hyundai. I always source Dayco for OEM parts in these brand of Asian vehicles.
My dayco one I put on the Lexus failed after 3-4 months, it clicks and rattles.
Thank you. Maintenant je prendrais de Dayco 👍👍👍👍
MAKE SURE YOU REPACK THE BEARINGS ON THE TENSIONER!!
Thank u for showing this imma make a educated guess that gates is wack and dayco is working off the slack lol nah fr though thanks for the info 😅
I just put a new dayco kit with tensioner, idler, and belt about 3 months ago and it's already making a whining noise. JUST LIKE ME RN 😂😫.
About to replace mine finally now. Really good to see someone bring this up before I officially replaced mine. Kinda wondering though you are replacing yours after so short of a time. I've gone over 300k before mine is now needing done.
That terrible. I have a 02 Tundra 4.7 and the Gates kit is made in Canada and indistinguishable from the OEM unit I pulled. Gates must be fumbling the ball.
Gates went from being made in Japan to China so the quality declined. I would trust Dayco over gates at this point.
great video
Toyota OEM belt tensioner is made by Litens unless, you got a fake one.
maybe its locally sources
Bottom line you have to install parts you're comfortable with. I don't blame you.
dude dont put the gates belt they suck. get the continental.
Thats why i always buy the Parts in the auto parts shop not online.
ONLY run OEM on Toyota!!! I work on these daily. There’s a reason Toyota lasts so long and it’s not because they use CHINA parts. The Dayco isn’t equivalent to OEM. There are different tiers of products made by the same manufacturer. The OE is higher quality vs consumer options. Toyota is either NSK or KOYO typically (bearing manufacturers).
And why the hell are you replacing belts so often?? EPDM belts will easily last 100k. That’s a fact
Both Garbage now IMO, but Dayco worse.
Waste of money, dude must feel rich