@@DIYAudioGuy Simple, build quality. I've seen too many DA subs come apart in my time, that's why I don't deal with them any more. I have observed, that when PE has a website refresh, certain negative reviews seem to disappear (cough) ... !!!! I love Dayton speakers and the 6.5" subs, and I currently use them (mids/tweeters) in my home audio set up, but the subs, I won't touch! There are far too many other brands in the game, to worry about the latest from DA/PE!
For the money Dayton Audio is one of the best period. To me, in the EXACT same order that you listed them in but obviously it depends on what each person wants. I finally picked up the DATS V3 speaker tester. Waiting for it to get to me. As always good job.
I run a Ultimax 10 in my Pontiac G8 powered by a Kicker Key500.1 with a custom box tuned to 29hz and it does great. Nothing crazy loud but blends well an does great on low notes for sure. Awesome review and comparison to other dayton drivers.
I had my eyes between the Dayton Audio Ultimax or the Stereo Integrity 18”. Both have a really low FS. I prefer a neo subwoofer to cut down on weight in my vehicle but they are too damn expensive.
Waiting for a video on their new Reference high excursion! Closely looking at getting the 10 and like that it is advertised as being for small enclosures (10” in 1.0 cu ft with 25mm xmax)
Impressive for sure. Of course, building a box for it is a good idea. In my opinion, a sealed and ported box. That way we can see the characteristics of the same sub in a different enclosure.
@@DIYAudioGuy maybe try various amounts of Polyfil in the sealed box to check the claims about stuffing boxes to make the driver think it's in a bigger enclosure?
Dayton Audio is so underrated, and I like it that way; the less people know about this amazing company and their incredible products, the better. My car's audio system is all Dayton drivers, and it far outperforms any system it has been compared to. Systems costing hundreds (if not thousands) more don't come close. Lots of people get lost in big names, power numbers, and marketing... Yet some of the best sounding drivers are just a click away.
@@DIYAudioGuy I use dayton audio tweets in my 2021 toyota hybrid. I use the cerwin vega shallow sub in my spare tire well,no spare from factory! The hybrids are not the best for subs as you are recommended to stay under 30 amps!
Do you think the prefab down 4 sound sub box you reviewed in a previous video would be a good fit for one of these max x’s? You had said it was the best pre fab boxes you had ever seen. The specs seem pretty close. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.
@@DIYAudioGuy My mistake. I thought this enclosure was the same as the one your video. Sorry. Do you think it would be ok. The description is pretty vague. I saw the lcs and the e12 both came in the same box. :/ So I thought it was the same as the one in your video.
@@DIYAudioGuy coils are generally available for most but these are a bit off from the standard sizes available. partsexpress used to repair speakers too would be nice if they did still especially their own.
@@DIYAudioGuy may i ask sir? What hz tuning box that the bass feels like crawling under the ground? Is it 35-38hz? Or 40hz or 42hz? Or what esle? Just for the box tuning hz
Aloha. Im looking for a sub for my 64 falcon. I have a JL 700/5v2 and i can run 300w@2ohm. Is this enough for this sub? I dont need to boom the world i just want to round out the Kicker KSs. I'm more about a tight bass for rock and some old school country.
What is your opinion on the max-x vs the reference? You mention both and build a box for the max-x but don’t really touch on how they actually sound. I’ve been looking at the two and there isn’t a lot of reviews out there for car applications. I know there is only a $50 difference between the two but some of us are balling on a budget. Haha. But honestly, I think we all value your opinion. That’s why we watch your videos. I appreciate you and your videos.
@@DIYAudioGuy Thank you for the reply! I currently have a Kicker Key 500.1 amplifier. So the subwoofer bridged would be 1 ohm I should be putting out 500 watts from my amp on paper. I don’t know if either one will perform better than the other with only 500 watts. I have a sealed enclosure that I would probably end up using that is 1.3-1.4sq ft. I have a ported enclosure but it’s way too big for my trunk to be practical. Haha. Right now with a coupon they sent me they would roughly be $60-70 difference in price. So I would be more than happy to pay that if it’s worth it. I also don’t want to over/under power one of them. I really do appreciate the fast responses and feedback that you give. You rock.
Parts Express is always having a sale, and I have coupon codes on my blog. $15 off a $150 order. diysubwoofer.blogspot.com/2021/06/parts-express-coupons.html
@@DIYAudioGuy i happened upon a harman kardon citation 12 in slight disrepair, what would be a good match for a preamp ( fixed gain pains) and speakers is it best going to perform with it loves my p1 fosgates at 2 ohm but i wanna be nice to it not abuse it 🤔
You describe the benefits of Reference and UltraMax drivers in detail. However, only mentioned Max-X good for small enclosures, Is that all it's good for?
Lower price. I have built an enclosure for it and have been pounding on it for a few weeks. I am giving it a little over rated power and it can take the extra juice, no problem. I am enjoying it quite a bit. The surround design gives it more cone area than the other subs, and it has great X-max -- more on that when i get the video posted.
Quick question. I've been deep into car audio for years. I got a CT Sounds Bio 12 (300 watts rms) in my older 90s sony powered sub box (for home theatre @ about 125 watts rms). I've seen alot of people using poly fill inside the box. Does that help in some way?
I love those wire strippers btw, only had mine a few months but man they're nice. And due to your video I'm tempted on trying Dayton audio. The alpine R types have been my favorite sq sub so far but the B2 audios reference is on my radar next. But for the price Dayton sounds enticing
All good choices, you're not going to go wrong. Those exact wire strippers for one of the first real tools that I bought when I started getting into audio.
I am in a serious internal conflict right now with what has happened to me with PE .. and UPS in this last month... I finally get up the funds to purchase a Tymphany STW-350, you know, the 7.4" voice coil monstrosity... Supposed 2 day shipping.... Check tracking 3 days later because I realized wtf, had lots of other stuff come in during that time from different places and couriers... But my sub... Nada... I talked to my regular driver, turns out he was on vacation at the time it was "delivered" and my god its been a nightmare. Both companies are playing pass the buck and I dont know what to do... Did PE send me a nothingburger? Or did UPS driver jack my 500$ sub?! What would you guys do??? BTW- Sweet vid DIYAG... You should build some reference boxes, one of each type for single sub benchmarking, have them be the "Gold Standard" by which you can compare similar subs like these, one sealed....Vented, 4th, and a 6th. and PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE DO AN 8th order video!!! ALSO ALSO andPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE DO AN 8th order video!!! As well as maybe address the 170db 8in subwoofer and its box?? Ronnie Smith's Sniper box
Oh man, that's rough! Sorry to hear about your shipping problems. Typically companies don't point to blame at each other like that, but when they do you get caught in the middle.
There is hope for humanity! :D The Ultimax is very good at shaking the house as he said with the 18 tuned to 15Hz...this ain't grandpa's Bose! The MX series looks good for the 15" for HT so it might move to my "suggested" sub for cars. ?!? Because it happens that the car audio nuts eventually get tired of giant subs and go with something more reasonable so the 15 would be great for HT so to not get rid of a good thing. Dayton is also coming out with a series called "HE" or high efficiency, thing much higher output with less power so good to say DA actually doing something. Good stuff.
i bought 4 of the 18" ultimax for my home theatre got the boxes home unpacked one and my wife came and asked if i was insane had to return 2 of them so sad
@@pappo666 Should have returned the wife. I was one of the very early buyers of the 18-22 and only bought 2. But my wife knows not to comment on my subwoofer buying addiction. As she know what will get returned.
I'm assuming you're talking about the ultimax? I would follow the recommendation on the Parts Express website. They have a recommended tuning for infra-sonic low frequency effects.
It's just a soggy 12-spoke old-school small motor 18 it can dig low because of its soggy britches and you can probably make one yourself out of used speaker parts it would probably cost me 20$ for the use basket 20 to 30$ for the motor. Used then soft parts which it has small spiders and you don't need 4 on there so that helps keep cost low . give it a shot making subs is hella fun
@@jayden974 it loves the lows "soggy" means soft suspension which means it will have a low FS which means it will most likely like the lows more / Tech... Not sure where you were going with your reply?
@@jayden974 there's absolutely nothing special about any of the parts it's made with so finding all the needed parts to make one of equal performance if not better and for the same or less $
@@jayden974 well for 1 "better" is subjected to the person. 2 people take the path of least resistance especially in America we're so lazy we much rather pay somebody for something as opposed to enjoying and learning how to build something. And #3 It's much easier to sell a product that works pretty good in multiple applications than it is to sell a product that works extremely well in one specific application and generic speakers that work pretty good in multiple different applications will always outsell drivers make for very unique applications. And I'm sorry but every single part that subwoofers made with are very very normal everyday Parts in fact most of those parts have been around for longer than some of the most popular Parts in car audio so there's not exactly new technology being implemented in fact it's more like a classic car if you were to look at it from the car audio standpoint. The frame itself is kind of like a Ford Model T in the car audio world. But i had a pare of 18's that had the same baskets and they were great subs i enjoyed them but like I said they work in multiple different applications and I eventually replaced mine for baskets that have much deeper spider Landing and wider spider Landing because the 12 spoke basket limits the driver to having a 8 or 8 and 3/4 inch spider and a xmech of about 33mm one way and that limited me for the application I was putting them in (playing 17 to 24hz at full tilt) it's not that they couldn't play the frequencies that they did not produce enough output it said low frequencies do to what's mentioned above. So I changed it up and have baskets that are made for 10" spiders and a xmech of about 55/60mm one way xmech so that I can move much much more air on those lower frequencies. But like I said driver specific application because what I sacrificed was some efficiency and box size but nothing perfect.
Hi my name is chico i bought a klipsch 2.1 system.i replaced the sub with a dayton dcs6.5 woofer ..my demensions are h9.5 W10.8 lenght 9.8 .my port hole cutout is 2 1/2 inches ..it seems to make alot of unrelenting buffering noise ..please help
When cranking up 2 ultimax 18 inch subwoofers inside your house does putting non see through curtains on your windows prevent your neighbors from looking at you through their windows and reduce your chances of getting your self into trouble for making your neighbors mad
Is the plan to drop this subwoofer into the existing enclosure? If so then just verify that it will fit into the opening. The original driver is probably a four ohm driver. You'll need to verify that first. You can wire this one in series to get a 4 ohm load. There's no way to predict how it's going to sound unless you can measure the internal airspace of the box and estimate the port tuning. That can all be done with a tape measure and a little bit of math.
Great channel man, I've learned so much from you. But I have to say it would also be lovely if you got yourself some no copyright music. I'll be honest, I sometimes forget you don't play sound and I feel so disappointed
I have been trying to work on that. I spend a few hours a week browsing the TH-cam music library looking for good demo songs. My last subwoofer review for example: th-cam.com/video/CnfS9bltCz4/w-d-xo.html
@@BabyCharlotteschannel I went to slamology this year, an Dayton Audio has a yard sale? As well do u guys think they throw stuff away? I bet the dumpster is locked
@@EarthPoweredHippie LoL, I know it's hard to read the tone or way things are being said reading online but seriously!? it was a joke.. I'd say most of US here are here to learn more about something we really enjoy and to have fun.. **BTW, I can guarantee that I could find some killer deals on used stuff, demo stuff, and open box stuff etc etc..
@@DIYAudioGuy thanks I missed that I thought it seem to small not even a shallow sub would go in a box that small will you be build a box on your videos for this?
@@DIYAudioGuy If you look at the basket it has a place for another set of terminals. I'm thinking about getting 1, if were in a dual 2 or even D4 I'd have one already 😁
The Max-X seems like the Ultimax, but more for compact enclosures or car audio. The Ultimax line straight up needs some huge boxes and don't like being in compact boxes.
5:58 "𝘛𝘶𝘯𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 15 𝘏𝘻" Do people actually tune enclosures below 20Hz? Sounds like a lot of fun but other than that, is there really any sonic joy below 20? I've gone down to 33Hz tuning and by golly those subs will physically mess with your internal organs. Jumping Jehova's what does a 15 Hz box feel/sound like? Great review and to the point, cheers.
Parts Express does recommend a home theater tuning for the ultimax with an f3 of 18 Hertz--I probably should have said f3 instead of tuning frequency, that's a big difference.
I have a 33CF box with 2 Ultimax 18-22s tuned to 20hz. They really don't get that loud. But they do dig very low without much effort. Great if you like low end extension. I can tell from your comment you have never experienced an old school ground pounder car audio system. 150+dB below 35Hz. That will steal the air right out of your lungs, good times.
I've been running 8 of the 18" Reference HO drivers sealed in 2 cabinets (4 per cab.) in my home theater for years now. Running 10K watts total to the subs using a Linkwitz transform circuit to extend the low frequency response. Very clean and reliable drivers.
@@MyBlowncobra I have a pair of the E-12 V4 D4'a and have been playing around with them for a few weeks. Very nice mid-level subs. I grabbed them from the Sundown Yard sale page for $89 a piece shipped.
The specs are a little bit confusing. They list the 11 mm of X-Max in the official specifications, but in the product description they state that the X-Max is closer to 17 mm and that they verified it with a klippel.
I have a coupon code for you on my blog: diysubwoofer.blogspot.com/2021/06/parts-express-coupons.html
i frequently use them no complaints other than ace ventura delivery guy 😬💪🏻
Images/Links not working atm.
I was able to see them via right click, "open image in new tab" I say just combine them all into a 10% off lol.
@@2002ZRX1200R odd, I'll have to look into that.
How do these compare to JL Audio subs, especially the W7
I love Dayton audio. I've got a reference 15 in my car in about 2.3 cubes tuned to 28 hz and it sounds incredible
I don't know why more people don't use them.
@@DIYAudioGuy yeah, I looked at a heck of a lot of $200 sq subs, and it beat the pants off of all of them
@@DIYAudioGuy Simple, build quality. I've seen too many DA subs come apart in my time, that's why I don't deal with them any more. I have observed, that when PE has a website refresh, certain negative reviews seem to disappear (cough) ... !!!!
I love Dayton speakers and the 6.5" subs, and I currently use them (mids/tweeters) in my home audio set up, but the subs, I won't touch! There are far too many other brands in the game, to worry about the latest from DA/PE!
For the money Dayton Audio is one of the best period. To me, in the EXACT same order that you listed them in but obviously it depends on what each person wants. I finally picked up the DATS V3 speaker tester. Waiting for it to get to me. As always good job.
I agree.
Awesome video man! The quality of content is always excellent in your videos
You are to kind!
I run a Ultimax 10 in my Pontiac G8 powered by a Kicker Key500.1 with a custom box tuned to 29hz and it does great. Nothing crazy loud but blends well an does great on low notes for sure. Awesome review and comparison to other dayton drivers.
Good stuff
Been watching a bit. I think you're a genius if common sense when it comes to audio. Just what TH-cam needed.
Far from it, I am just a guy with some power tools and a camera!
I'm using a 12" HO subwoofer in a 0.7cuft box and the sound quality is excellent 🥰
I'm here because of doug and good content definitely found a new channel to watch
Doug is great. I have been watching him for years.
@@DIYAudioGuy agreed and same
Doug is the man. The sound man
I had my eyes between the Dayton Audio Ultimax or the Stereo Integrity 18”. Both have a really low FS. I prefer a neo subwoofer to cut down on weight in my vehicle but they are too damn expensive.
Too hard to choose!
Which one of these subs you recommend for rock, easy listening and 70 s style music? Thanks for the video
Waiting for a video on their new Reference high excursion! Closely looking at getting the 10 and like that it is advertised as being for small enclosures (10” in 1.0 cu ft with 25mm xmax)
Hopefully they will send one over so I can complete my collection!
🙌🙌🙌
I have the MAX-X 10 in a 1.4 cuft box and it is a really good driver and is very smooth and goes down very low
Awesome!
Yo is it sealed or ported?
@@SeGin_ ported box. I use it in my music room
@@takuminishijou5697 Can you tell me more information about it? Tuning and such! I would also use it for home purpose!
@@SeGin_ toidsdiyaudio.com/community/diy-speakers-diy-speakers/upcoming-project/ go there is my build log 😁
Impressive for sure. Of course, building a box for it is a good idea. In my opinion, a sealed and ported box. That way we can see the characteristics of the same sub in a different enclosure.
Good idea!
@@DIYAudioGuy maybe try various amounts of Polyfil in the sealed box to check the claims about stuffing boxes to make the driver think it's in a bigger enclosure?
@@msh6865 That would be a fun video!
Dayton Audio is so underrated, and I like it that way; the less people know about this amazing company and their incredible products, the better. My car's audio system is all Dayton drivers, and it far outperforms any system it has been compared to. Systems costing hundreds (if not thousands) more don't come close.
Lots of people get lost in big names, power numbers, and marketing... Yet some of the best sounding drivers are just a click away.
Absolutely!
@@DIYAudioGuy I use dayton audio tweets in my 2021 toyota hybrid. I use the cerwin vega shallow sub in my spare tire well,no spare from factory! The hybrids are not the best for subs as you are recommended to stay under 30 amps!
I have the Ultimax 18 behind the passenger seat of my Chevy Z-71...it's VERY impressive ;-)
They are amazing drivers.
Can you do a video of the Daytona Audio Designer Series?
I would love to, just have to talk to them into sending one out my way!
Looking at picking up the Dayton MX-15, looks solid for the price.
Oh yea.
Will they fit in the Vega boxes R e's 10, subwoofers I have a marantz receiver 8 ohms in trying to find 🤔 a deep bass 🔊 replacement speaker 🔊
You'll have to measure the speaker cut out and compare it to the specs on the subwoofer
insane good video and I like the new edit style / unboxing
I'm trying to mix it up a bit.
Can you do one of these on the 15 inch version thanks.
As soon as Parts Express sends me one!
Do you think the prefab down 4 sound sub box you reviewed in a previous video would be a good fit for one of these max x’s? You had said it was the best pre fab boxes you had ever seen. The specs seem pretty close. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.
This one? lddy.no/1ge7w Yes. Should be a great fit.
@@DIYAudioGuy My mistake. I thought this enclosure was the same as the one your video. Sorry. Do you think it would be ok. The description is pretty vague. I saw the lcs and the e12 both came in the same box. :/ So I thought it was the same as the one in your video.
Is the Dayton audio ultimax 18 inch subwoofer the big daddy of all the Dayton audio woofers
Nope, check this out: bit.ly/3EkMcYV
That HO models great in a small ported box.
Absolutely!
Could you please help me put together a klipsch rf 7 iii clones?
That is outside of my area of expertise. Check out Toids DIY Audio.
would be nice if partsexpress sold coils for these. the reference line anyways has a kinda non standard coil size. hard to find coils that work as is
Most subwoofer brands don't sell the soft parts.
@@DIYAudioGuy coils are generally available for most but these are a bit off from the standard sizes available. partsexpress used to repair speakers too would be nice if they did still especially their own.
Sir? What is stack motor? And what is the purpose?or refer for?
That just means it has multiple magnets stacked together for increased magnetic force.
@@DIYAudioGuy so stack motor it mean the magnet? 3stack motor so 3layers of magnet? Thank u sir
@@DIYAudioGuy may i ask sir? What hz tuning box that the bass feels like crawling under the ground? Is it 35-38hz? Or 40hz or 42hz? Or what esle? Just for the box tuning hz
@@akolngto9314 its not all box tuning, the type of song playing must have low end hz. Too.
@@hectorortega9131 thanks. But for you sir? What is the good tunig of our box?
Aloha. Im looking for a sub for my 64 falcon. I have a JL 700/5v2 and i can run 300w@2ohm. Is this enough for this sub? I dont need to boom the world i just want to round out the Kicker KSs. I'm more about a tight bass for rock and some old school country.
What is your opinion on the max-x vs the reference? You mention both and build a box for the max-x but don’t really touch on how they actually sound. I’ve been looking at the two and there isn’t a lot of reviews out there for car applications. I know there is only a $50 difference between the two but some of us are balling on a budget. Haha. But honestly, I think we all value your opinion. That’s why we watch your videos. I appreciate you and your videos.
The reference will sound better, and ultimately handle more power. But the reference is a lot more expensive.
@@DIYAudioGuy Thank you for the reply! I currently have a Kicker Key 500.1 amplifier. So the subwoofer bridged would be 1 ohm I should be putting out 500 watts from my amp on paper. I don’t know if either one will perform better than the other with only 500 watts. I have a sealed enclosure that I would probably end up using that is 1.3-1.4sq ft. I have a ported enclosure but it’s way too big for my trunk to be practical. Haha. Right now with a coupon they sent me they would roughly be $60-70 difference in price. So I would be more than happy to pay that if it’s worth it. I also don’t want to over/under power one of them. I really do appreciate the fast responses and feedback that you give. You rock.
I like all 3 of these subs. The Ultimax really catches my eye,the max x is great and affordable. Good vid I'm gonna check them out.
Parts Express is always having a sale, and I have coupon codes on my blog. $15 off a $150 order. diysubwoofer.blogspot.com/2021/06/parts-express-coupons.html
these look sturdy for sure
Absolutely
@@DIYAudioGuy i happened upon a harman kardon citation 12 in slight disrepair, what would be a good match for a preamp ( fixed gain pains) and speakers is it best going to perform with it loves my p1 fosgates at 2 ohm but i wanna be nice to it not abuse it 🤔
You describe the benefits of Reference and UltraMax drivers in detail. However, only mentioned Max-X good for small enclosures, Is that all it's good for?
Lower price. I have built an enclosure for it and have been pounding on it for a few weeks. I am giving it a little over rated power and it can take the extra juice, no problem. I am enjoying it quite a bit. The surround design gives it more cone area than the other subs, and it has great X-max -- more on that when i get the video posted.
@@DIYAudioGuy Thank you for the timely response... Love your video blogs... God Bless..
These for the bass van?
I'm still looking for a sponsor with deep pockets before I can start on a bass van!
Can 2 Dayton audio ultimax 18 inch subwoofers powered off of a Crown xti 1000 power amplifier be cranked up outdoors in your own backyard.
I don't see why not. Your neighbors might not care for it.
do you know any good bass speakers that still has the original harness connector?
Not sure what you mean.
@@DIYAudioGuy sorry, so when I unscrew my speakers and the harness is positive with a wide harness and the negative is a skinny harness.
@@Anbeter-der-Holle Sounds like a standard female spade connector. If it is you can find them at you local auto parts store.
@@DIYAudioGuy Thank you.
Quick question. I've been deep into car audio for years. I got a CT Sounds Bio 12 (300 watts rms) in my older 90s sony powered sub box (for home theatre @ about 125 watts rms). I've seen alot of people using poly fill inside the box. Does that help in some way?
th-cam.com/video/INM0g1JeMLY/w-d-xo.html
Dayton Audio subwoofers all look great and official
I think one has the best look of the three.
I love those wire strippers btw, only had mine a few months but man they're nice. And due to your video I'm tempted on trying Dayton audio. The alpine R types have been my favorite sq sub so far but the B2 audios reference is on my radar next. But for the price Dayton sounds enticing
All good choices, you're not going to go wrong. Those exact wire strippers for one of the first real tools that I bought when I started getting into audio.
Ya, dayton will rip the face off either the alpine or the b2 in sq. Overall output? Probably not. Depends on what you're after
Video was very helpful. Thank you.
Glad to help.
I am in a serious internal conflict right now with what has happened to me with PE .. and UPS in this last month... I finally get up the funds to purchase a Tymphany STW-350, you know, the 7.4" voice coil monstrosity... Supposed 2 day shipping.... Check tracking 3 days later because I realized wtf, had lots of other stuff come in during that time from different places and couriers... But my sub... Nada... I talked to my regular driver, turns out he was on vacation at the time it was "delivered" and my god its been a nightmare. Both companies are playing pass the buck and I dont know what to do... Did PE send me a nothingburger? Or did UPS driver jack my 500$ sub?! What would you guys do???
BTW- Sweet vid DIYAG... You should build some reference boxes, one of each type for single sub benchmarking, have them be the "Gold Standard" by which you can compare similar subs like these, one sealed....Vented, 4th, and a 6th. and PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE DO AN 8th order video!!!
ALSO ALSO andPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE DO AN 8th order video!!! As well as maybe address the 170db 8in subwoofer and its box?? Ronnie Smith's Sniper box
Oh man, that's rough! Sorry to hear about your shipping problems. Typically companies don't point to blame at each other like that, but when they do you get caught in the middle.
How u use metric and imperial systems in one video?
Here in the US that is normal, most driver spec sheets will list some items in freedom units and some items in metric units. It's really no big deal.
@@DIYAudioGuy its confusing for europeans. I have no idea how big is cubic feet😂
Now this is the kind of shootout I like!
Edit: Was hoping for a bit more. Some common use case modeling for example.
More to come!
An 18" in a big box, tuned to 15Hz? I want this for my car more than theater!
There is hope for humanity! :D The Ultimax is very good at shaking the house as he said with the 18 tuned to 15Hz...this ain't grandpa's Bose! The MX series looks good for the 15" for HT so it might move to my "suggested" sub for cars. ?!? Because it happens that the car audio nuts eventually get tired of giant subs and go with something more reasonable so the 15 would be great for HT so to not get rid of a good thing. Dayton is also coming out with a series called "HE" or high efficiency, thing much higher output with less power so good to say DA actually doing something. Good stuff.
i bought 4 of the 18" ultimax for my home theatre got the boxes home unpacked one and my wife came and asked if i was insane had to return 2 of them so sad
@@pappo666 ...but the fine line of insanity and bliss is one all audio folk walk.
@@jordanholt6054 If no one was insane enough to try new things innovation would come to a stop so yeah 100% agree
@@pappo666 Should have returned the wife. I was one of the very early buyers of the 18-22 and only bought 2. But my wife knows not to comment on my subwoofer buying addiction. As she know what will get returned.
I have a 16m² living room and Id buy two of these 15s for it. What should I tune the enclosures to? Mostly for home theater! Thanks!
I'm assuming you're talking about the ultimax? I would follow the recommendation on the Parts Express website. They have a recommended tuning for infra-sonic low frequency effects.
@@DIYAudioGuy nope! I meant the new Max X! There are 10s 12s and 15s versions of these :)
@@SeGin_ I'm honestly not sure how low you can tune these, I've not done any modeling of them yet.
Were the magnets off-center on that or were they different sizes?
I did not notice either. I might have to go back over my pics and see if I can see what you're talking about.
I've always wanted an ultimax 18 ,but I never pulled the trigger on any.
I'd love to rebuild my entire home theater set up and include a pair of those.
It's just a soggy 12-spoke old-school small motor 18 it can dig low because of its soggy britches and you can probably make one yourself out of used speaker parts it would probably cost me 20$ for the use basket 20 to 30$ for the motor. Used then soft parts which it has small spiders and you don't need 4 on there so that helps keep cost low . give it a shot making subs is hella fun
@@jayden974 it loves the lows "soggy" means soft suspension which means it will have a low FS which means it will most likely like the lows more / Tech... Not sure where you were going with your reply?
@@jayden974 there's absolutely nothing special about any of the parts it's made with so finding all the needed parts to make one of equal performance if not better and for the same or less $
@@jayden974 well for 1 "better" is subjected to the person.
2 people take the path of least resistance especially in America we're so lazy we much rather pay somebody for something as opposed to enjoying and learning how to build something.
And #3 It's much easier to sell a product that works pretty good in multiple applications than it is to sell a product that works extremely well in one specific application and generic speakers that work pretty good in multiple different applications will always outsell drivers make for very unique applications.
And I'm sorry but every single part that subwoofers made with are very very normal everyday Parts in fact most of those parts have been around for longer than some of the most popular Parts in car audio so there's not exactly new technology being implemented in fact it's more like a classic car if you were to look at it from the car audio standpoint. The frame itself is kind of like a Ford Model T in the car audio world. But i had a pare of 18's that had the same baskets and they were great subs i enjoyed them but like I said they work in multiple different applications and I eventually replaced mine for baskets that have much deeper spider Landing and wider spider Landing
because the 12 spoke basket limits the driver to having a 8 or 8 and 3/4 inch spider and a xmech of about 33mm one way and that limited me for the application I was putting them in (playing 17 to 24hz at full tilt) it's not that they couldn't play the frequencies that they did not produce enough output it said low frequencies do to what's mentioned above.
So I changed it up and have baskets that are made for 10" spiders and a xmech of about 55/60mm one way xmech so that I can move much much more air on those lower frequencies.
But like I said driver specific application because what I sacrificed was some efficiency and box size but nothing perfect.
Great comparison video. 👏
Thanks! 👍
Hi my name is chico i bought a klipsch 2.1 system.i replaced the sub with a dayton dcs6.5 woofer ..my demensions are h9.5
W10.8 lenght 9.8 .my port hole cutout is 2 1/2 inches ..it seems to make alot of unrelenting buffering noise ..please help
Might be port noise. Not much you can really do about that when you're trying to retrofit an existing cabinet.
Wow that was anti climactic. The Max X was barely mentioned at the end.
Yeah honestly
You love some Dayton audio don’t ya!
Yep. Solid gear, good bang for the buck.
Nice comparision. The Ref. series looks cheap und ugly for me. Could they please get rid of that dom dust cap like the UM and MAX-X?
Why does the magnets look shifted
I don't know. They look ok to me.
Amazing channel
Thanks!
When cranking up 2 ultimax 18 inch subwoofers inside your house does putting non see through curtains on your windows prevent your neighbors from looking at you through their windows and reduce your chances of getting your self into trouble for making your neighbors mad
Probably not.
My 10 inch driver always fits in the box.😁
That's what she said!
alunamin cone. My cat had one on her neck once.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard that.
Oh my god I'm dieing now😂😂😂😂
I can't aluminum -- that is the real reason why only use OFC wire.
rockford fosgate p series always hard to fit prefab box
Speaker sizes are "nominal" -- close but not exact.
One of my Klipsch THX subs died on me after 20 years of service, I thinking about replacing it with this driver.
Is the plan to drop this subwoofer into the existing enclosure? If so then just verify that it will fit into the opening. The original driver is probably a four ohm driver. You'll need to verify that first. You can wire this one in series to get a 4 ohm load. There's no way to predict how it's going to sound unless you can measure the internal airspace of the box and estimate the port tuning. That can all be done with a tape measure and a little bit of math.
When you say alunimum (aluminum) it triggers my OCD
He also said Maggot instead of Magnet. Lol
But he’s a cool dude.
exceptional info....
Thanks, I am working on the Box video for the Max X 10 right now, stay tuned!
What the heck is aluninoon?
Great channel man, I've learned so much from you. But I have to say it would also be lovely if you got yourself some no copyright music. I'll be honest, I sometimes forget you don't play sound and I feel so disappointed
I have been trying to work on that. I spend a few hours a week browsing the TH-cam music library looking for good demo songs. My last subwoofer review for example: th-cam.com/video/CnfS9bltCz4/w-d-xo.html
Fun fact: I live literally 15 min from Dayton audio HQ
That's cool! Hopefully I can make it up there for Midwest audio fest and the big yard sale one of these years!
Oh I'd be over there at Dayton Audio looking for scraps and whatever test stuff gets thrown in the dumpster!!
@@DIYAudioGuy **oh and gotta look up for the next Midwest audio fest that's gonna happen!!!
@@BabyCharlotteschannel I went to slamology this year, an Dayton Audio has a yard sale? As well do u guys think they throw stuff away? I bet the dumpster is locked
@@EarthPoweredHippie LoL, I know it's hard to read the tone or way things are being said reading online but seriously!?
it was a joke.. I'd say most of US here are here to learn more about something we really enjoy and to have fun..
**BTW, I can guarantee that I could find some killer deals on used stuff, demo stuff, and open box stuff etc etc..
It's nice
Looks like alpine e type 1:05
Interesting!
Did he say double sized maggot?
Double-SIDED maggot. Pay attention man! 😂
I subscribed cuz of soundman
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That a small box for a 12 most call for a box two times that.
This is a 10.
@@DIYAudioGuy thanks I missed that I thought it seem to small not even a shallow sub would go in a box that small will you be build a box on your videos for this?
@@josephsaucedo8691 Eventually, yes.
Nice comparison 👍
Now if we can only convince them to make the 21" Kraken in a dual 2ohm.
That sub should be a dual 2 -- all these other should be a dual 4 so I can wire two of them to a 1 ohm amp.
@@DIYAudioGuy If you look at the basket it has a place for another set of terminals. I'm thinking about getting 1, if were in a dual 2 or even D4 I'd have one already 😁
No need
The Max-X seems like the Ultimax, but more for compact enclosures or car audio. The Ultimax line straight up needs some huge boxes and don't like being in compact boxes.
I just bought a max x for a 2.1 cu ft in my car. The 12"... they were out of stock on the ultimax, anyone heard anything about the timpano?
5:58 "𝘛𝘶𝘯𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 15 𝘏𝘻" Do people actually tune enclosures below 20Hz? Sounds like a lot of fun but other than that, is there really any sonic joy below 20? I've gone down to 33Hz tuning and by golly those subs will physically mess with your internal organs. Jumping Jehova's what does a 15 Hz box feel/sound like? Great review and to the point, cheers.
Parts Express does recommend a home theater tuning for the ultimax with an f3 of 18 Hertz--I probably should have said f3 instead of tuning frequency, that's a big difference.
I have a 33CF box with 2 Ultimax 18-22s tuned to 20hz. They really don't get that loud. But they do dig very low without much effort. Great if you like low end extension. I can tell from your comment you have never experienced an old school ground pounder car audio system. 150+dB below 35Hz. That will steal the air right out of your lungs, good times.
@@bassntruck That is insane!
I've been running 8 of the 18" Reference HO drivers sealed in 2 cabinets (4 per cab.) in my home theater for years now. Running 10K watts total to the subs using a Linkwitz transform circuit to extend the low frequency response. Very clean and reliable drivers.
Looks like a sundown with a bumped back magnet..
Interesting!
@@DIYAudioGuy other than the one piece cone and bumped back plate...it's almost identical to a sundown e series...
@@MyBlowncobra I have a pair of the E-12 V4 D4'a and have been playing around with them for a few weeks. Very nice mid-level subs. I grabbed them from the Sundown Yard sale page for $89 a piece shipped.
@@msh6865 Jacob builds great subs..his entire line is quality built stuff..that's what makes sundown what they are.
TLDW
this sub shakes things. thanks for the details.
The MaxX has the lowest X
Xmass? I wonder why they call it that then
The specs are a little bit confusing. They list the 11 mm of X-Max in the official specifications, but in the product description they state that the X-Max is closer to 17 mm and that they verified it with a klippel.
Anyone else notice the ilunimum 🤣
You need a good amp sir !!
The bottleneck is my bench top power supply. I need to either upgrade that or switch to a pro audio amp for the test bench.
400 watt RMS ....holy shit thats going to last about 5 minutes in most car audio systems before itt smokes....same for Ultimax - GARBAGE