JW Wife to Elder husband: “You know honey, when I see you with a beard I get as wet as the Red Sea.” (sighs & shrugs shoulders) “But then I think about you waiting for another man to give your grown a$$ permission & my middle is drier than the ground that Moses crossed.”
By saying "Jehovah has dignified us by allowing us to choose to wear a beard," he admits that THEY stole our dignity by taking away that choice for decades.
@@tamaraomalley4119 And we know that whether or not to possess facial hair is one of the least serious and concerning of all of those deceptive demands. Yet, WT and JWs treated this with the same intensity and obsession, as say, The Blood Issue or Their Neutrality Issue.
Lloyd Thank you for ALL you have done to assist me in recovering from this organization. You have brought me so much laughter when I was so filled to the brim with anger and disgust, to say the least. You have had the deepest impact on my life and I am so so grateful to you! With gratitude for the manner you exposed, the thought process you verbalized, to demonstrate what abuse and control this dangerous organization is having on humanity. I'm guilty of depending on your channel for education and healing as my number 1 avenue. Thank you from my entire soul,, Lloyd! You are a gift for your insight and your Humor!
After being made fun of by others in the kingdom hall for years. It is a huge relief to just fade away. Covid was my ticket out. I had it twice but it also gave me freedom ❤
@leetrippii1830. And, Grown Men needing to hear Grown Men say what is ok in regards to Hair(heads) lengths and styles as well!🤦🏻♀️🤦🏾♂️(🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡) I wonder if WT will start to accept in future, Non-Caucasian, Non-1950's era hairstyles/attire for Men(and women)?🤔🤔 Time and Level Of Desperation Will Tell.🤷🏻♀️🤷🏿♂️
My husband was so mad when he found out about the beard change. We’ve been out for a couple years now, but man this really got to him. All these changes are finally starting to wake people up! And the GB doesn’t see the fire they set around themselves.
I bet he was and I don’t blame him! I’ve been inactive 30 years and always had a problem with this rule. My hubby had me ask one of the witnesses I grew up with what the rule was based on, I asked 3 witnesses and none of them knew.
We’ve been fading since 2021 and my husband grew his beard since then! I love it it really looks good on him! One day we visited His TJ uncle and before he asked how we were- he frowned and said: what’s with the beard? My husband answered: nothing, it a beard- besides the Bible doesn’t say you can’t wear it! He replied: that doesn’t dignify Jehovah! This past Monday, my husband visited him again- his uncle was totally unaware of the new beard policy. So my husband asked him, can you repeat what you think of my beard? His uncle said: it doesn’t dignify Jehovah and it looks worldly! My husband showed him the Update #8. After seeing it he smirked and turned to my husband: well it doesn’t look that bad on you!😳 My husband said I’ve been explaining you this for 2 years now that’s the Bible doesn’t prohibit beards for 2000 years now! and in 20 mins you switch your opinion so quick? He answered: the society is accepting it and they are Holy Spirit guided. My husband said: oh so you follow men that you don’t even know their names and I’m your nephew, you know me and you were judging me all along? His answer: 🤷🏽♀️well, didn’t you hear him? besides you had to wait for Jehovahs time!! It’s crazy!!
@@melissacooper8724 You may have never been a JW, but You've got an accurate insight into Exactly What's Going On (compared to those actual JWs involved). WT Org has always made things up, cherry picked scriptures to back their claims and demands and flip-flopped on official policy based upon Social Acceptance/Norms and WT Org's own Narcissistic Agendas and Whims. Wherever WT Org has differed from General Society, is usually based upon their own ludicrous attempts to uphold (what are two huge red flags of actually being a Cult🤔): "Superiority Complexes" (Thinking They are More Worthy and Knowledgeable than Everyone Else) and an "Us vs Them Mentality" ( They need to appear Unlike Everyone Else in their Daily Lives and Behaviours and Somehow Uniquely More Desirable because of those attributes). By never being involved directly with WT Org/JWs, You've saved yourself from years of Intimidation and Indoctrination and High Control Tactics. As well as Stress and Regret.
I know a brother who was reprimanded for having a 6 days beard growth which was about 4mm long but he had very thick facial hair and elders took him to separate room after the meeting to tell him off.... I was like... Seriously? He was sick and didn't feel well but still managed to get himself to the meeting, sit alone in the room with big windows and he was told off for coming with unshaved face... I'm wondering how he feels about "new light" now..
M ex husband was reprimanded and his privileges taken away because he had a skin condition and couldn’t shave. Not only that, they treated me as if I was wrong for standing by him. 😮 For a beard?!?! It disgusted me and left the org.
Why are you still worried (concerned) about what these men say, decide or not decide to do? You are out already and 'free' from them. May I give you Sir a piece of advice, which is, take care of your own life, find something 'more interesting to do', take a course, do business, take a good care of widowed, whatever, just stop complaining and trying to right things your way. Scandal monger! Forget this ORGANIZATION. Create yours or either go attend one according to your vision, Mr. Perfection! Shut your mouth UP!
Jehovah noticed that as he grew older Stephen Lett had gained weight and had a bigger face and therefore sent him a message telling him that the beard would suit him well...
Loved it. Both the singing and dancing, and your take on this new light. Plus, how does one say I have kids without saying I have kids? “You’re Welcome!”
My dad called me last night after his congregation heard the news , he was so excited like I would return to the fold due to the news. But it pushes me further away honestly due to all the hypocrisy in this institution.
As always Lloyd, you do your due diligence in this rebuttal. Great work. Thank you. Appearance has always been their motto. I remember in the 70s when long sideburns were a no-no. Hair over the ears (brothers) was a no-no. So they SAY guys can wear beards, but the regulations of how long, how fluffy, etc. will rule. And to tell the flock how to FEEL about the new 'light', was atrocious by telling JWs to adjust their attitude. I'm so glad I've been out for over 3 years now.
It's highly indicative of Narcissistic Individuals (such as the GB and JWs) to be both Appearance Obsessed(both physically and perceptively) and Controlling(Intimidating and Micromanaging gives them an ego boost and sense of validity and influence) of Others. Everything that Narcissists say and do is based upon those agendas. It never changes no matter what the circumstances or Individuals involved. It's best to distance yourself from their chaos and controversy and let them eventually expose their true selves and "marinate in their own toxic juices" in the moment.🤷🏻♀️🤷🏿♂️
Yeah, me too! I was a teen in the 70's and my dad got all over me about wearing sideburns and hair over my ear! And it was only 3/4 of an inch or so; and I've worn it that way all of my adult life for 45 years now. Yet, I don't see anything said about sisters who wear their hair short like a man; looking like a lesbian. Hypocrisy.
Ive been anxiously awaiting your critic !!!! You didn’t disappoint…..Love your song 🥳 Unbelievable is all i can say about this My husband grew a beard when the article came out in the W around seven years ago and has kept it ever since Crazy how he was treated by so many He didnt care and didnt back down
Hey Lloyd, great and analytical as always. I’m still enjoying your rebuttals, sushi’s and what not. I hope, really hope, you’ll do a rebuttal of that dramatic annual meeting. And this for many reasons. Everything you’ve produced was and still is of big aid helping me to fade away from that cult. Although certain people start to shun me, I’m happier now than I was in that cult. As for your productions, as a foreigner I really enjoy your use of the English language, the way you express yourself. Please, keep it going….
Sad, I got shunned and mistreated by most of my relatives for growing a light beard, not a long beard just a short beard not even 2 inches long and I got shunned for years. And now there is new light? What a joke
Welcome back!! You have been missed. Can't help but wonder what changes...if any... are ahead? On the blood issue, shunning, etc. , and how many lives will be wrecked in the meantime. Thanks and be well Llyod.
I'd been expecting your rebuttal on this beard matter, you gave it, and as always, the best of all times! Please, time has always been long while anxiously waiting for your new videos. Regards to your family. 👍👍
I’ve watched several commentaries on the bearded new light. This was the best. Your insights are much appreciated. I miss your rebuttals. I wish you’d consider doing them occasionally.
I had an Elder come to our house with his own letters printed about appearance standards within the organisation that he'd made up himself, with no scriptures to back him up. This elder had always looked down on and judged me and my family. He took great pleasure in removing all of our privileges (being allowed to help out at the kingdom hall on mics and sound, being removed from the theocratic ministry school and giving bible readings and number 3 talks. He's a vile person, and also was the most powerful elder in our hall. The rest of our elders didn't challenge this scumbag. For the longest time, me and my family felt internally shunned, judged and excluded. And our crime was, me and my brothers having facial hair. Yknow, like every depiction of jesus and his disciples 😂 I left and went to another hall, and faced the same discrimination from a different body of elders. I finally caved to the constant pressure to remove my facial hair, and when I did, and elder paced straight over to me after the meeting had finished and said "welcome back brother. Now we can use you." I told him to to shove it up his arse. And that I didn't want to be used. Hugely satisfying to see him walk away red I'm the face with anger. I faced discrimination from the JW construction committees and was told I wasn't allowed to do any construction projects because of how I looked. (despite being a qualified electrician.) Didn't matter how many ministry hours I did, or how heartfelt my answers were. It didn't matter how many kind acts I did for the congregation. I didn't LOOK right and therefore was treated with contempt. Horrible prejudice behaviour. To see them U turn, take no accountability AGAIN, in spite of all their publications and illustrations subtly being anti beard, is just laughable. I am so glad I'm not subject to this lunacy anymore. I got sent this update from loads of my old jw friends and I told them all I couldn't care less anymore, I'm living my best life. Anyway just thought I share just some of my horrible experiences. If anyone else has experienced similar I feel your pain 😂
@phatkizza707. When that Hypocritical, Sanctimonious "Brother" told You that They could now use You; You should have said, "Using People, Is exactly what Watchtower Org does! Using and Abusing!"👌🏼🤝🏻🗣💣❗✔
Yes,I have stories I could tell,but,I'll refrain. Let me just say I was born and raised in it,and as soon as I turned 18,I dropped out,and have never regretted it. It was like a breath of fresh air. It ruined me from being in any other religion,but,I don't mind,at all,being unreligious.
I think the scariest part about this governing body update is imagining if they had decided to stay against beards how they would have made a video explaining their reasoning for not allowing them and the JWs would have just as easily blindly gone with it. Like a parallel universe version of that update...with the same outcome. Gives me chills.
Omg so true. They could say anything and cherry pick any scripture and every JW would follow and applaud it as wisdom from god. I used to think that my parents (100% physically in mentally in) were at least above LITERALLY drinking the Kool-Aid if they were instructed. I’m not so sure anymore.
@@maegsunflow95 I know it's a terrifying thought. The GB could make them do anything 😩 Like they say, obey instructions even if it doesn't sound logical from a human standpoint.
Was waiting for YOUR take on this!!! I about fell out of my barbershop chair!!! 😲😆😆 It was a situation for great anxiety back in the day when a ‘brother’ in our congregation had been out of the country and when he walked in the Kingdom Hall the ‘elder’ standing next to my Dad ( also an elder) got very excited about the fact he was sporting a slight beard. The man hadn’t even sat down yet when the elder asked my Dad if he was going to ‘talk’ to him about ‘the beard. 😳🧐
You may make less videos but you still know how to entertain an audience. Thank you for what you have done by informing the public and exJW's and what you are yet doing in that regard.
Thanks for talking about this change. I miss your discussions. I believe that you and other activists have been instrumental in these changes. Thanks for all that you have done.
WT leadership doesn’t do anything without a self serving motivation. I’ve seen the GB bend their own rules when necessary. For instance, there used to be the requirement for a DFd person to be reinstated at least two years before qualifying for special privileges, such as WT Bethel assignments. Well, on several projects we asked for extra leniency because of needing specialized video, computer, or building trades skills. Usually the GB would grant exceptions. In fact, in at least one specific case, they expedited the reinstatement of a guy who was still awaiting confirmation by his local BoE. So why the new beard rule change? It’s difficult to be sure because WT doesn’t publish membership demographics, but I’m willing to bet that there’s a shortage of “qualified” brothers overall and especially in certain countries. So by lowering the bar (prayerfully & just a bit), they have a greater supply. Thoughts???
Growing a beard was an excellent way for me to make the elders stop giving me "privileges" when I was PIMO. By the way, your content was essential for my waking up process. Thank you 😊
..Started Growing My Beard..Right After Baptism..😮😊..Left 3 Years Later Physically Age 19..I Used All Those Scriptures He Did And More In My Defense..My Relatives Had The Nerve To Call MeTo Give Me The Good News..oh..I'm Gonna Be 53 In 2 Weeks😂
I am a retired architect and have worn a beard since I was 40 years old. I am now 76. I studied with JWs and was baptized 35 years ago. I left the Org. 5 years ago after being treated like a second class citizen the entire time I was in the Org. I appreciate nice clothes and shoes and never walked into the Kingdom Hall without being well dressed and groomed. Although I communicated and was well liked by the friends, I was never used in any way in the congregation - their loss. Now all the brothers are wearing beards and I have been asked to return.????? Hell no! After 30 years of faithful service I will NEVER EVER go back to the Kingdom Hall.
💜 You clearly became a creative genius after the trip 😂❤💜 I managed to speak to a Jdub with whom I work about this issue today, many thanks to you bro.
Escaped the Tower 10 years ago, after being captive for 12 years. DF twice couldn't see myself going back after last. I had always asked the beard question to the elders and WT, since they bugged me about my Law Enforcement career, carry a weapon, blood guilt potential, blah blah blah(34 years of service and counting). Yup, those 1960's rebels' beards hang on their faces, like banners of societal disappointment. It grows naturally like the real truth, breeds confidence and positive demeanor. However, the Tower preached it must be cut, and cleaned up, like the hopes of All JW's and friends. The Tower participants and captives can't go around looking like Russelites now can we Judge Rutherford. Now, 2024 The Tower has "Allowed" the swag of the beard to walk its hallowed halls of Bethel once again, but the friends better not say Shit!! because we know what's right for our sheepeople. Perhaps The Tower in another decade or two, may stumble in the "Truth" and find the Bible does not direct, condone or direct its organization to practice Shunning of its members family etc. This is a mind control method used and practice in cult entities and never has it been scriptural or decent on any level, but maybe just maybe, I might get my family back. Mic Drop, Well Done Loyd Well Done Sir!!!!
Your presence is missed, Lloyd. I did not care to hear anyone else' take on this new found light and was patiently waiting for your review. About to tune in and listen.
They picked the worst GB member to present the ‘new enlightenment’ 🙄 It’s a joke, I remember so many ‘brothers’ back when I was a JW who really were affected by the unspoken no beard rule and now it’s suddenly ok… 😑
Apologize ya right Your video was brilliant Lloyd 🙏 I dont get how they just go along with it all and say oh how wonderful this new light Is….so balanced
I quit being a JW when I was a teenager and they said I had to shave, but as a black/mixed dude, if you know us, we have curly hair, which includes curly facial hair. Every 3 days I shaved I would have hundreds of ingrown hairs on my face, jaw, and neck to the point is it was causing me pain. (I don’t think white guys typically have to deal with it as much because of the difference in hair texture/curlynees, because ingrown hair is when it curls back into itself.). My mom called me all happy telling me they changed the rule (I’m 34 now, left when I was like 19). All it did tbh was piss me off even more lol.
Hi Lloyd. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I really appreciate your logic, and how well you unpack everything with humor thrown in. Looking forward to your future stuff. Cheers!
Why are you still worried (concerned) about what these men say, decide or not decide to do? You are out already and 'free' from them. May I give you Sir a piece of advice, which is, take care of your own life, find something 'more interesting to do', take a course, do business, take a good care of widowed, whatever, just stop complaining and trying to right things your way. Scandal monger! Forget this ORGANIZATION. Create yours or either go attend one according to your vision, Mr. Perfection! Shut your mouth UP!
So the GB all but admits that they followed an unscriptural “rule” for not having beards. But now.. its okay because they found its not against scripture to have a beard.. well golly! No crap. I remember one evening about six years ago maybe seven, dragging all four of my children to the meeting after a long day at work, and I had a 5 o’clock shadow in the stubble on my chin and mustache were longer so it looked like I was growing a goatee I was taken in the back after the meeting and criticized stating that if I don’t come clean shaven that I could get my privileges taken away and that it has been noticed before by the elder body. Of course, they didn’t say anything about how hard I worked on getting all of my children, dressed and bringing them to the meeting by myself. Culty.. much
@@JoelPierce-q4x Mr Rogers and Captain Kangaroo were never as Disengenous or Caustic as Stevie Lett-Um-Have It. The former two would have had episodes discussing bullies and used S.L. and Company as examples. The world needs more Mr Rogers and Captain Kangaroo and Far Less Lett!👎🏻
Hello. When will rank-and-file witnesses know about the changes about the Great Tribulation? I've mentioned it to several but they still have no idea. Thanks.
They are such liars. They act like they never had a problem with beards. Like 1975 never happened. Well it did but it was the people's fault. Not theirs
Exactly, even with this, Lett was basically wording it like “brothers, don’t be so judgmental about others’ appearances” like they weren’t the sole reason for it 😒
The question from readers made me think of another point in their hypocrisy, they say in black and white Jesus fulfilled the Law so that he could ABOLISH it and release the Jews from the Law, and they put Matthew 5:17 that states the complete opposite Jesus states there Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I HAVE NOT COME TO ABOLISH them but to fulfill them, he then says in the next verse heaven and earth would pass away before the Law does, i don't remember a time in history where heaven and earth passed away so if that hasn't happened how has the Law passed away.
Beards were frowned upon by JOSEPH RUTHERFORD because he didn't like CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL who wore a prominent beard. Ironically, their literature constantly shows bible characters with beards. Whats more, there is NO SCRIPTURE in the Bible that's against men wearing beards.
@@LloydEvans yes the annual meeting 2023, rebuttal? I can’t find your video on the subject. Theres the uturn on the tribulation, where you now can come back to jws at the last minute, the non recording of hours, the explanation of new light so on, sorry if you have covered this. Thank you Lloyd
As always, the best analysis of the subject... thanks I also hope that at least some JWs can see how man made this organization is. Somebody told me that is a little weird going to the meetings and seeing many bearded brothers, and I feel pity for them because all those grown adults need to have a "green light" from the organization to decide about something so personal and basic. I imagine them in their jobs with their long time work mates surprised and asking them why they now have a beard, and the brothers answering: "my church didnt let me grow my beard all these years but now it has allowed me to"
Elders wearing beards: +10 sexy points Grown men waiting to be allowed by another man to grow hair on their own face: -100 sexy points Apostates gloating: Priceless
Great job Lloyd,I loved the part of the video where you switch with the song!😅As i've always said, "the cracks" in the wall will keep opening more things and shedding more light!
look how puffy his hands are - one video comment said that can be from heavy drinking. In any case he's not looking good. I wonder what these frauds think as they reach the end of their lives knowing they con'd themselves and those that listened to them.
Hillarious! But heck, it had to come, didn´t it? - considering the fact that in their pampflets armies of angels almost always look like Kenny Rogers followed by his 400 identical brothers.
Thank you for the video. I REALLY have missed your rebuttal videos. I totally understand why full-length rebuttals can't happen anymore, but I sure have missed them, and your take on them. You taught me to laugh at the org, for the first time.
Like the way Stephen Lett do a Bill Clinton (nodding while stating: “I did not have sex with that woman!”). At 14:50 SL rhetorically asks: “Is either reaction appropriate? and nods when answering: “Not really…”
Oh my I left in 2007 born and raised since a baby and never looked back but guys wow ! I’m so happy I’ve found Jesus this is crazy facial hair??!!! That’s what your issue is? I’m so glad I’m out lol, no but I do love your channel guy thank you , it’s helped me before.
Thank you for acknowledging Rutherford’s narcissism! I have been doing a lot of studying about the disorder and the more I learn about Rutherford, the more I see it in him. I wish I could get my mom to see this stuff, but she has her head in the sand. It’s such a shame that most JWs don’t know or care to know anything about the real history of the organization!
My mom's in her 80s now, and her head is still in the sand. And what floors me is that she had read ALL of the Russel volumes and still became a baptized witness. I feel for you.
When you think you’re special because you’ve been told you are because of all the restrictions/biblical “knowledge” it often causes personality disorders.
Wonderful! Now the elders get to counsel the "brothers" about the length, style, and appropriate grooming of their beards. The guilt is never-ending.
So true. Just imagine the outrage if an elder grew a ZZ Top beard. Lol!
@@bigboithe8th Men and women in the congregations should all put on fake beards for their next meeting.
@@bigboithe8th : Yeah, and tuned up "Jesus just left the Watchtower and is bound for New Orleans" 🤪
It's obvious he had a beard, they often refer to the prophecy in psalms where its foretold they plucked my beard! Clueless cult
You and I must be related! LOL!@@dee1408
Some waited decades for permission from the religion's leaders to grow their natural beards, how is that normal? 😂
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JW Wife to Elder husband:
“You know honey, when I see you with a beard I get as wet as the Red Sea.”
(sighs & shrugs shoulders)
“But then I think about you waiting for another man to give your grown a$$ permission & my middle is drier than the ground that Moses crossed.”
I bet they gonna get flooded with letters asking how long should the beard be 😂
😂
@@charrua59 It should be as long as their founder's beard 😆 (Charles Taze Russell)
By saying "Jehovah has dignified us by allowing us to choose to wear a beard," he admits that THEY stole our dignity by taking away that choice for decades.
💯% Correct! And no need to apologize on their part.
Haters gonna hate
@@DWandtheenablersWhat?!
@@DWandtheenablersHate what? The false rules they created for people and made them live by as if they were commandments from God?
@@tamaraomalley4119 And we know that whether or not to possess facial hair is one of the least serious and concerning of all of those deceptive demands.
Yet, WT and JWs treated this with the same intensity and obsession, as say, The Blood Issue or Their Neutrality Issue.
The "You're Welcome" song was pure gold!!!
I burst out laughing😂😂
😂 it was a great intro
Good voice as well I say !
Antics are fun
😂😂👌👏👏
Lloyd Thank you for ALL you have done to assist me in recovering from this organization. You have brought me so much laughter when I was so filled to the brim with anger and disgust, to say the least. You have had the deepest impact on my life and I am so so grateful to you! With gratitude for the manner you exposed, the thought process you verbalized, to demonstrate what abuse and control this dangerous organization is having on humanity.
I'm guilty of depending on your channel for education and healing as my number 1 avenue. Thank you from my entire soul,, Lloyd! You are a gift for your insight and your Humor!
After being made fun of by others in the kingdom hall for years. It is a huge relief to just fade away. Covid was my ticket out. I had it twice but it also gave me freedom ❤
@@JoelPierce-q4xmade fun of, how so?
Grown men need to hear grown men say it's ok to have facial hair . Wow wow wow
@leetrippii1830.
And, Grown Men needing to hear Grown Men say what is ok in regards to Hair(heads) lengths and styles as well!🤦🏻♀️🤦🏾♂️(🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡)
I wonder if WT will start to accept in future, Non-Caucasian, Non-1950's era hairstyles/attire for Men(and women)?🤔🤔
Time and Level Of Desperation Will Tell.🤷🏻♀️🤷🏿♂️
Also into the grift just loook at Joseph Smith and Taze Russell friends who grifted over a bet. 😂😂😂 look at South Park episode dum dum dum dum dumb 😂
That's the thing that got to me for many years because I never read it in the bible where it says men couldn't wear a beard
Yep crazy!!! I regret being raised in that religion…
They don’t believe in free will
Oh, I missed your videos and your sarcasm so much!!! It's so nice to see you!!!
Their little bull sh*t video left out how Rutherford made it a rule so he could be different from Russell
My husband was so mad when he found out about the beard change. We’ve been out for a couple years now, but man this really got to him. All these changes are finally starting to wake people up! And the GB doesn’t see the fire they set around themselves.
I bet he was and I don’t blame him! I’ve been inactive 30 years and always had a problem with this rule. My hubby had me ask one of the witnesses I grew up with what the rule was based on, I asked 3 witnesses and none of them knew.
I've never been a JW, thank goodness! It sounds like they've been making up these rules as they go along!
I asked about all of the the child molesters and "and none of them knew." @@kathryna6370
We’ve been fading since 2021 and my husband grew his beard since then! I love it it really looks good on him!
One day we visited His TJ uncle and before he asked how we were- he frowned and said: what’s with the beard? My husband answered: nothing, it a beard- besides the Bible doesn’t say you can’t wear it!
He replied: that doesn’t dignify Jehovah!
This past Monday, my husband visited him again- his uncle was totally unaware of the new beard policy. So my husband asked him, can you repeat what you think of my beard? His uncle said: it doesn’t dignify Jehovah and it looks worldly!
My husband showed him the Update #8. After seeing it he smirked and turned to my husband: well it doesn’t look that bad on you!😳
My husband said I’ve been explaining you this for 2 years now that’s the Bible doesn’t prohibit beards for 2000 years now! and in 20 mins you switch your opinion so quick?
He answered: the society is accepting it and they are Holy Spirit guided.
My husband said: oh so you follow men that you don’t even know their names and I’m your nephew, you know me and you were judging me all along?
His answer: 🤷🏽♀️well, didn’t you hear him? besides you had to wait for Jehovahs time!!
It’s crazy!!
@@melissacooper8724 You may have never been a JW, but You've got an accurate insight into Exactly What's Going On (compared to those actual JWs involved).
WT Org has always made things up, cherry picked scriptures to back their claims and demands and flip-flopped on official policy based upon Social Acceptance/Norms and WT Org's own Narcissistic Agendas and Whims.
Wherever WT Org has differed from General Society, is usually based upon their own ludicrous attempts to uphold (what are two huge red flags of actually being a Cult🤔):
"Superiority Complexes" (Thinking They are More Worthy and Knowledgeable than Everyone Else) and an "Us vs Them Mentality" ( They need to appear Unlike Everyone Else in their Daily Lives and Behaviours and Somehow Uniquely More Desirable because of those attributes).
By never being involved directly with WT Org/JWs, You've saved yourself from years of Intimidation and Indoctrination and High Control Tactics.
As well as Stress and Regret.
I know a brother who was reprimanded for having a 6 days beard growth which was about 4mm long but he had very thick facial hair and elders took him to separate room after the meeting to tell him off.... I was like... Seriously? He was sick and didn't feel well but still managed to get himself to the meeting, sit alone in the room with big windows and he was told off for coming with unshaved face... I'm wondering how he feels about "new light" now..
M ex husband was reprimanded and his privileges taken away because he had a skin condition and couldn’t shave. Not only that, they treated me as if I was wrong for standing by him. 😮 For a beard?!?! It disgusted me and left the org.
So excited Lloyd, to see you uploading!
In trying to appear less culty, they come off cultier the ever. Thank you once again,Lloyd for voicing our frustration over this ridiculous topic.
You are so right about this! I really hope that many people will see that and run out of there.
Why are you still worried (concerned) about what these men say, decide or not decide to do? You are out already and 'free' from them. May I give you Sir a piece of advice, which is, take care of your own life, find something 'more interesting to do', take a course, do business, take a good care of widowed, whatever, just stop complaining and trying to right things your way. Scandal monger! Forget this ORGANIZATION. Create yours or either go attend one according to your vision, Mr. Perfection! Shut your mouth UP!
You see? You have followers -- congrats!
It amazes me that this kind of stuff doesn't wake everyone up, it's madness. I've been looking forward to your video on this Lloyd.
WTS got them right at the palm by emotionally blackmailing them that the ones that rebel lacks humility
I think there is a deep subconscious fear to look on with scrutiny because what if they find truth about the lies of the organization
Jehovah noticed that as he grew older Stephen Lett had gained weight and had a bigger face and therefore sent him a message telling him that the beard would suit him well...
Loved it. Both the singing and dancing, and your take on this new light.
Plus, how does one say I have kids without saying I have kids? “You’re Welcome!”
Haha thanks! Moana is awesome though! 😂
@@LloydEvansmy mum and niece absolutely love Moana
My dad called me last night after his congregation heard the news , he was so excited like I would return to the fold due to the news.
But it pushes me further away honestly due to all the hypocrisy in this institution.
I agree.
I welcome "the beard" coming back on my JW Husband; But, As for Me being excited to return to that Cult?🤔...👎🏻👎🏻🤣🤣🤣👎🏻👎🏻🚫🚫☢☢☠☠☠⚰🔗
Proof that you were right. They don’t know what they’re doing!
I feel that in itself should make everyone wake up. Some people are so far in though its sad.
Me dad told me this today. They change the rules as they go. Was born and raised in the religion left it 3 years ago.
The governing body probably had stock in Gillette all these decades
As always Lloyd, you do your due diligence in this rebuttal. Great work. Thank you.
Appearance has always been their motto. I remember in the 70s when long sideburns were a no-no. Hair over the ears (brothers) was a no-no. So they SAY guys can wear beards, but the regulations of how long, how fluffy, etc. will rule.
And to tell the flock how to FEEL about the new 'light', was atrocious by telling JWs to adjust their attitude. I'm so glad I've been out for over 3 years now.
I'm sure a ZZ Top beard will be a no.
@@beachmom2001😂
@@beachmom2001 What about Santa Claus🎅 Beards on older men?😉😂😂🤣🤣
Beware All "Brothers" named Nicholas possessing beards!😉🤣🤣🤣
It's highly indicative of Narcissistic Individuals (such as the GB and JWs) to be both Appearance Obsessed(both physically and perceptively) and Controlling(Intimidating and Micromanaging gives them an ego boost and sense of validity and influence) of Others.
Everything that Narcissists say and do is based upon those agendas. It never changes no matter what the circumstances or Individuals involved.
It's best to distance yourself from their chaos and controversy and let them eventually expose their true selves and "marinate in their own toxic juices" in the moment.🤷🏻♀️🤷🏿♂️
Yeah, me too! I was a teen in the 70's and my dad got all over me about wearing sideburns and hair over my ear! And it was only 3/4 of an inch or so; and I've worn it that way all of my adult life for 45 years now. Yet, I don't see anything said about sisters who wear their hair short like a man; looking like a lesbian. Hypocrisy.
Ive been anxiously awaiting your critic !!!!
You didn’t disappoint…..Love your song 🥳
Unbelievable is all i can say about this
My husband grew a beard when the article came out in the W around seven years ago and has kept it ever since
Crazy how he was treated by so many
He didnt care and didnt back down
Damn. I grew my beard just to make the distinction that I wasn't part of that cult.
Now you have to shave or let the beard grow real real long🤣😅😀
yes but im sure it can't be longer than a shawdow...at best! lol
Wonder if Satan like goatees will be tolerated. 😀
@@bigboithe8th goats 🐐 never pass the test . Sheep are the elected herds in the bible and Christianity , remember ?
I love goats
It's ok, we still have tattoos and piercings as rebellious options 😂
Man I’ve missed your videos Lloyd, thanks for the content and as always 👍🏻
YESSSS!!!!! 😊
Hey Lloyd, great and analytical as always. I’m still enjoying your rebuttals, sushi’s and what not. I hope, really hope, you’ll do a rebuttal of that dramatic annual meeting. And this for many reasons. Everything you’ve produced was and still is of big aid helping me to fade away from that cult. Although certain people start to shun me, I’m happier now than I was in that cult. As for your productions, as a foreigner I really enjoy your use of the English language, the way you express yourself. Please, keep it going….
Yeaaa Lloyd is back ❤
Your opening statement got me thinking. You can't actually choose to grow a beard. You actually choose to shave😂 .
Welcome back Lloyd!!
Nice to see you Lloyd. Miss much your reviews.
Yes! Me too ☺️
Sad, I got shunned and mistreated by most of my relatives for growing a light beard, not a long beard just a short beard not even 2 inches long and I got shunned for years. And now there is new light? What a joke
Welcome back!! You have been missed. Can't help but wonder what changes...if any... are ahead? On the blood issue, shunning, etc. , and how many lives will be wrecked in the meantime. Thanks and be well Llyod.
Good to see you, Lloyd!
Great content. Glad to see you’re back. I’ve missed your videos!
I'd been expecting your rebuttal on this beard matter, you gave it, and as always, the best of all times! Please, time has always been long while anxiously waiting for your new videos. Regards to your family. 👍👍
I’ve watched several commentaries on the bearded new light. This was the best. Your insights are much appreciated.
I miss your rebuttals. I wish you’d consider doing them occasionally.
Agree with more
Funny Lloyd. Great to see you!!!!
I had an Elder come to our house with his own letters printed about appearance standards within the organisation that he'd made up himself, with no scriptures to back him up.
This elder had always looked down on and judged me and my family. He took great pleasure in removing all of our privileges (being allowed to help out at the kingdom hall on mics and sound, being removed from the theocratic ministry school and giving bible readings and number 3 talks.
He's a vile person, and also was the most powerful elder in our hall. The rest of our elders didn't challenge this scumbag. For the longest time, me and my family felt internally shunned, judged and excluded. And our crime was, me and my brothers having facial hair. Yknow, like every depiction of jesus and his disciples 😂
I left and went to another hall, and faced the same discrimination from a different body of elders. I finally caved to the constant pressure to remove my facial hair, and when I did, and elder paced straight over to me after the meeting had finished and said "welcome back brother. Now we can use you."
I told him to to shove it up his arse. And that I didn't want to be used. Hugely satisfying to see him walk away red I'm the face with anger.
I faced discrimination from the JW construction committees and was told I wasn't allowed to do any construction projects because of how I looked. (despite being a qualified electrician.)
Didn't matter how many ministry hours I did, or how heartfelt my answers were. It didn't matter how many kind acts I did for the congregation. I didn't LOOK right and therefore was treated with contempt. Horrible prejudice behaviour.
To see them U turn, take no accountability AGAIN, in spite of all their publications and illustrations subtly being anti beard, is just laughable.
I am so glad I'm not subject to this lunacy anymore. I got sent this update from loads of my old jw friends and I told them all I couldn't care less anymore, I'm living my best life.
Anyway just thought I share just some of my horrible experiences. If anyone else has experienced similar I feel your pain 😂
@phatkizza707.
When that Hypocritical, Sanctimonious "Brother" told You that They could now use You; You should have said, "Using People, Is exactly what Watchtower Org does! Using and Abusing!"👌🏼🤝🏻🗣💣❗✔
Yes,I have stories I could tell,but,I'll refrain. Let me just say I was born and raised in it,and as soon as I turned 18,I dropped out,and have never regretted it. It was like a breath of fresh air. It ruined me from being in any other religion,but,I don't mind,at all,being unreligious.
And then per Lett you dare not feel resentful! SMH
I think the scariest part about this governing body update is imagining if they had decided to stay against beards how they would have made a video explaining their reasoning for not allowing them and the JWs would have just as easily blindly gone with it. Like a parallel universe version of that update...with the same outcome. Gives me chills.
Omg so true. They could say anything and cherry pick any scripture and every JW would follow and applaud it as wisdom from god.
I used to think that my parents (100% physically in mentally in) were at least above LITERALLY drinking the Kool-Aid if they were instructed. I’m not so sure anymore.
@@maegsunflow95 I know it's a terrifying thought. The GB could make them do anything 😩 Like they say, obey instructions even if it doesn't sound logical from a human standpoint.
Was waiting for YOUR take on this!!! I about fell out of my barbershop chair!!! 😲😆😆 It was a situation for great anxiety back in the day when a ‘brother’ in our congregation had been out of the country and when he walked in the Kingdom Hall the ‘elder’ standing next to my Dad ( also an elder) got very excited about the fact he was sporting a slight beard. The man hadn’t even sat down yet when the elder asked my Dad if he was going to ‘talk’ to him about ‘the beard. 😳🧐
They have great concerns about things that matter . Wait until they find out that masturbation doesn’t even make you blind 😂😂🐐
@@moniquedelaney7958hahaha 😅😂
Thanks for your review. I enjoyed it.
Man, Lett is looking positively full of spiritual food these days...just stuffed with it. Housing market must be looking up.
You may make less videos but you still know how to entertain an audience. Thank you for what you have done by informing the public and exJW's and what you are yet doing in that regard.
Thanks for talking about this change. I miss your discussions. I believe that you and other activists have been instrumental in these changes. Thanks for all that you have done.
Obviously they are losing members and need to bend rules to keep money flowing.
WT leadership doesn’t do anything without a self serving motivation.
I’ve seen the GB bend their own rules when necessary.
For instance, there used to be the requirement for a DFd person to be reinstated at least two years before qualifying for special privileges, such as WT Bethel assignments. Well, on several projects we asked for extra leniency because of needing specialized video, computer, or building trades skills. Usually the GB would grant exceptions. In fact, in at least one specific case, they expedited the reinstatement of a guy who was still awaiting confirmation by his local BoE.
So why the new beard rule change?
It’s difficult to be sure because WT doesn’t publish membership demographics, but I’m willing to bet that there’s a shortage of “qualified” brothers overall and especially in certain countries. So by lowering the bar (prayerfully & just a bit), they have a greater supply.
Thoughts???
I think WT wants to save from buying razorblades 😂 idk, maybe Lett is just getting lazy and don't want to shave every morning
Hi there Lloyd! I’ve been waiting for your response. I know you won’t disappoint. Now I’ll sit back and watch. Thank you and have a Merry Christmas ❤
Growing a beard was an excellent way for me to make the elders stop giving me "privileges" when I was PIMO. By the way, your content was essential for my waking up process. Thank you 😊
..Started Growing My Beard..Right After Baptism..😮😊..Left 3 Years Later Physically Age 19..I Used All Those Scriptures He Did And More In My Defense..My Relatives Had The Nerve To Call MeTo Give Me The Good News..oh..I'm Gonna Be 53 In 2 Weeks😂
@@StreetLove410same here, they think we going to run back now that our beards are allowed.....lol they are delusional
I am a retired architect and have worn a beard since I was 40 years old. I am now 76. I studied with JWs and was baptized 35 years ago. I left the Org. 5 years ago after being treated like a second class citizen the entire time I was in the Org. I appreciate nice clothes and shoes and never walked into the Kingdom Hall without being well dressed and groomed. Although I communicated and was well liked by the friends, I was never used in any way in the congregation - their loss. Now all the brothers are wearing beards and I have been asked to return.????? Hell no! After 30 years of faithful service I will NEVER EVER go back to the Kingdom Hall.
Thank you Lloyd ,so nice to see you ,I really needed a good laugh ,reminded me of your emojis video.😮
💜 You clearly became a creative genius after the trip 😂❤💜
I managed to speak to a Jdub with whom I work about this issue today, many thanks to you bro.
Escaped the Tower 10 years ago, after being captive for 12 years. DF twice couldn't see myself going back after last. I had always asked the beard question to the elders and WT, since they bugged me about my Law Enforcement career, carry a weapon, blood guilt potential, blah blah blah(34 years of service and counting). Yup, those 1960's rebels' beards hang on their faces, like banners of societal disappointment. It grows naturally like the real truth, breeds confidence and positive demeanor. However, the Tower preached it must be cut, and cleaned up, like the hopes of All JW's and friends. The Tower participants and captives can't go around looking like Russelites now can we Judge Rutherford. Now, 2024 The Tower has "Allowed" the swag of the beard to walk its hallowed halls of Bethel once again, but the friends better not say Shit!! because we know what's right for our sheepeople. Perhaps The Tower in another decade or two, may stumble in the "Truth" and find the Bible does not direct, condone or direct its organization to practice Shunning of its members family etc. This is a mind control method used and practice in cult entities and never has it been scriptural or decent on any level, but maybe just maybe, I might get my family back.
Mic Drop,
Well Done Loyd Well Done Sir!!!!
Very nicely put, the theawakenedone , and nice nom de plume as well 👌💜
Your presence is missed, Lloyd. I did not care to hear anyone else' take on this new found light and was patiently waiting for your review. About to tune in and listen.
I can't say I did not care about other people's view on the subject but I do appreciate the more researched approach that Lloyd has taken.
Yes yes yes!! ❤
They picked the worst GB member to present the ‘new enlightenment’ 🙄
It’s a joke, I remember so many ‘brothers’ back when I was a JW who really were affected by the unspoken no beard rule and now it’s suddenly ok… 😑
Ooh my God..now not reporting this organization will kill us one day...let wait next
Reporting*preaching hours is nomore big thing now is beard keeping..waah
I’m one of them
I've always cringed at Lett's delivery. There was always something off about it
Thank you Lloyd, so good to have another video from you.
Thanks!
Thank you so much Raven! ❤️
Thanks for all you do! Always your numero uno fan/subscriber 😅🥰😘💞🇨🇦
Wow, thank you KitKat!
You’re so welcome! Happy holidays to you and your family! 🎁🎅🎄😊
Apologize ya right
Your video was brilliant Lloyd 🙏
I dont get how they just go along with it all and say oh how wonderful this new light Is….so balanced
It was good to see you again … perfect size video. Ending was hilarious too 🤣
I quit being a JW when I was a teenager and they said I had to shave, but as a black/mixed dude, if you know us, we have curly hair, which includes curly facial hair. Every 3 days I shaved I would have hundreds of ingrown hairs on my face, jaw, and neck to the point is it was causing me pain. (I don’t think white guys typically have to deal with it as much because of the difference in hair texture/curlynees, because ingrown hair is when it curls back into itself.). My mom called me all happy telling me they changed the rule (I’m 34 now, left when I was like 19). All it did tbh was piss me off even more lol.
Same here for me my mom was telling me about the sisters being able to wear slacks at meetings like I was gonna come running back smh
I am also 34, left when I was 24. :)
Hi Lloyd. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I really appreciate your logic, and how well you unpack everything with humor thrown in. Looking forward to your future stuff. Cheers!
I'm happy your still here speaking the truth of this insane organization thank you thank you thank you and Merry Christmas to you and your family 🎉😊
Lett's eyes reveal all of the crazy you need to know about him and this organization.
That man is CRAZY
This is such crap. You don't know how many times I was judged and labeled for having a little facial hair, and now it's okay out of nowhere, smh
in an attempt to seem less culty, they end up being way more culty! 😅
Why are you still worried (concerned) about what these men say, decide or not decide to do? You are out already and 'free' from them. May I give you Sir a piece of advice, which is, take care of your own life, find something 'more interesting to do', take a course, do business, take a good care of widowed, whatever, just stop complaining and trying to right things your way. Scandal monger! Forget this ORGANIZATION. Create yours or either go attend one according to your vision, Mr. Perfection! Shut your mouth UP!
I was so excited to see a video from you, Lloyd!! Thank you!! On point as always 👏🏻
So the GB all but admits that they followed an unscriptural “rule” for not having beards. But now.. its okay because they found its not against scripture to have a beard.. well golly! No crap. I remember one evening about six years ago maybe seven, dragging all four of my children to the meeting after a long day at work, and I had a 5 o’clock shadow in the stubble on my chin and mustache were longer so it looked like I was growing a goatee I was taken in the back after the meeting and criticized stating that if I don’t come clean shaven that I could get my privileges taken away and that it has been noticed before by the elder body. Of course, they didn’t say anything about how hard I worked on getting all of my children, dressed and bringing them to the meeting by myself. Culty.. much
Lett is getting better at patronising his audience.
Yes. He talks down to the audience like he's interacting with a baby. 😒
Or so he believes .😂
😂he reminds me of a cross between Mr Rodgers and captain kangaroo
is that an lett emogy ?
lol
@@JoelPierce-q4x Mr Rogers and Captain Kangaroo were never as Disengenous or Caustic as Stevie Lett-Um-Have It.
The former two would have had episodes discussing bullies and used S.L. and Company as examples.
The world needs more Mr Rogers and Captain Kangaroo and Far Less Lett!👎🏻
Hello. When will rank-and-file witnesses know about the changes about the Great Tribulation? I've mentioned it to several but they still have no idea. Thanks.
'Beardgate' could potentially wake up a few more trapped folk.
Keep up your desperate floundering GB 👍
They are such liars. They act like they never had a problem with beards. Like 1975 never happened. Well it did but it was the people's fault. Not theirs
Yes isnt it so interesting how they blame the flock and the flock doesnt even notice
The veil is thick
Exactly, even with this, Lett was basically wording it like “brothers, don’t be so judgmental about others’ appearances” like they weren’t the sole reason for it 😒
Full blown narcissists.
The question from readers made me think of another point in their hypocrisy, they say in black and white Jesus fulfilled the Law so that he could ABOLISH it and release the Jews from the Law, and they put Matthew 5:17 that states the complete opposite Jesus states there Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I HAVE NOT COME TO ABOLISH them but to fulfill them, he then says in the next verse heaven and earth would pass away before the Law does, i don't remember a time in history where heaven and earth passed away so if that hasn't happened how has the Law passed away.
And he's back in the game! Good to see you about Lloyd. Merry Xmas to you and yours XXX
lol… your welcome intro was funny and on point lmao
Beards were frowned upon by JOSEPH RUTHERFORD because he didn't like CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL who wore a prominent beard.
Ironically, their literature constantly shows bible characters with beards.
Whats more, there is NO SCRIPTURE in the Bible that's against men wearing beards.
They dont care about scripture.
Lloyd glad you covered this uturn! Are you going to address the other major changes? They are massive!
Thank you
Thanks so much! It could be that I've already covered some of the other changes you're referring to. Could you be more specific? 🙂
@@LloydEvans yes the annual meeting 2023, rebuttal? I can’t find your video on the subject.
Theres the uturn on the tribulation, where you now can come back to jws at the last minute, the non recording of hours, the explanation of new light so on, sorry if you have covered this. Thank you Lloyd
As always, the best analysis of the subject... thanks
I also hope that at least some JWs can see how man made this organization is.
Somebody told me that is a little weird going to the meetings and seeing many bearded brothers, and I feel pity for them because all those grown adults need to have a "green light" from the organization to decide about something so personal and basic.
I imagine them in their jobs with their long time work mates surprised and asking them why they now have a beard, and the brothers answering: "my church didnt let me grow my beard all these years but now it has allowed me to"
Merry christmas and Happy New Year Lloyd to you and your family .
What a bunch of sad clowns .
Nice singing Lloyd 👍
you have to ba a complete idiottt to believe in this stuff!!!
Elders wearing beards: +10 sexy points
Grown men waiting to be allowed by another man to grow hair on their own face: -100 sexy points
Apostates gloating: Priceless
Great job Lloyd,I loved the part of the video where you switch with the song!😅As i've always said, "the cracks" in the wall will keep opening more things and shedding more light!
Brilliant rebuttal, thank you Lloyd for your well reasoned argument, excellent information put forward. We can always rely on you.
Wonder if they are going to “let” sisters wear pants to the meetings now?
numbers must be abysmal yet again for another change like this
That's an excellent investigation. Thank you so much!
look how puffy his hands are - one video comment said that can be from heavy drinking. In any case he's not looking good. I wonder what these frauds think as they reach the end of their lives knowing they con'd themselves and those that listened to them.
Loved to watch this item you have made about this topic! Well done! 👍🏼 Please make more of this video's
I saw this video, and my heart swelled with joy! So glad to see you back in action, Lloyd!
Excellent analysis!
keep you’re amazing videos and rebuttals coming lloyd, miss all your content!!
A million times thanks llyod for this master piece of research and presentation !
Hillarious! But heck, it had to come, didn´t it? - considering the fact that in their pampflets armies of angels almost always look like Kenny Rogers followed by his 400 identical brothers.
😂😂😂
😅😂😂😂😂😂
Bingo you win with the funnest comment😁 But very true, just look at their litchure
Thank you for the video. I REALLY have missed your rebuttal videos. I totally understand why full-length rebuttals can't happen anymore, but I sure have missed them, and your take on them. You taught me to laugh at the org, for the first time.
Like the way Stephen Lett do a Bill Clinton (nodding while stating: “I did not have sex with that woman!”).
At 14:50 SL rhetorically asks: “Is either reaction appropriate? and nods when answering: “Not really…”
You were right! In your Sept 30, 2021 video, you talked about 10 JW teachings that are unbiblical. You Talked about beards (52:36).
I knew I talked about it somewhere else! Thanks!
Oh my I left in 2007 born and raised since a baby and never looked back but guys wow ! I’m so happy I’ve found Jesus this is crazy facial hair??!!! That’s what your issue is? I’m so glad I’m out lol, no but I do love your channel guy thank you , it’s helped me before.
Great video!
Thank you for acknowledging Rutherford’s narcissism! I have been doing a lot of studying about the disorder and the more I learn about Rutherford, the more I see it in him. I wish I could get my mom to see this stuff, but she has her head in the sand. It’s such a shame that most JWs don’t know or care to know anything about the real history of the organization!
My mom's in her 80s now, and her head is still in the sand. And what floors me is that she had read ALL of the Russel volumes and still became a baptized witness. I feel for you.
You will notice many JWs are sone form of narcissistic
Some*
When you think you’re special because you’ve been told you are because of all the restrictions/biblical “knowledge” it often causes personality disorders.
So true. All my mother says is: "Trust & obedience, and remember they are imperfect" 🙄🤪😡
Love this topic! I always wondered about this.
Lloyd, I needed to see you dance to Maui's tune more than you know. THANK YOU
Ooh! I've been patiently waiting for the Lloyd Evans brand of snark on this stupid topic.
Even my wife whos family are all JW have been questioning this weird call and its almost woke a couple up 😂😂 oddly
He’s really putting the emotional abuse of the church out there for all to see.
What is next? Tight pants are allowed?😄😃 Hell, I may start going back to the hall🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Hell noooo
Oh yes, you can wear pants as a woman to meeting.
lol @ variety. I remember being a young man in this cult and being talked to by the elders for wearing a skinny tie. Hypocrites!
Freedom isn't something you can receive permission for. It must be taken and asserted