Good refresher, the most common rule violation I see at my club is the 'Nearest Point of Relief', where as you said , it is not the best nearest spot but the closest spot, the number of times I have pointed this out and been told that they were told what they were doing is correct by a Pennant player would make me a wealthy person.
A fun, but educational video this time. Its like watching a round of golf with my pals on a Friday, we have all of these examples cropping up, which does lead to the occasional falling out!!! Well done Hannah keep up the good work 😃
Thanks Hannah for clearing up the rules. I certainly didn’t know about the arc length from the nearest point of relief from the path. Best wishes with your new channel. ❤🏌️♀️
Great to see you have your own Channel, Hannah. I've been following Your Golf NCG. Loved that content. If you replicate it here, with guidance on course management, rules, etc, then that would be fantastic.
This would be great to show at clubhouses up and down the country. Learning the actual rules is worth doing; keeps the game fair and your personal integrity intact. Cheers
Hi Hannah Regarding your first point and this time of year, what if the area is covered in leaves? Can you remove them as long as the ball doesn't move?
Good video. The one comment I'll make about advice which is commonly misunderstood is that public information is not advice. If someone asks you if there's any danger around the corner, you can tell them. You also can give them distances or an opinion on the wind direction. What you can't do is tell them something that might influence their shot choice such as "you definitely want to hit something less than driver" or "wind's off the right so I'd play a cut up against it" or "the line you want to take is at that right bunker." Just tell them facts and let them make their own decision on the shot they want to play.
Hi Hannah … The TH-cam algorithm brought up your video which I am so pleased about as I was absolutely gobsmacked when I watched your first one that came from Hickleton golf club. I immigrated to Western Australia nearly 20 years ago and Hickleton was my old club. I also lived in the village. Mum is still a member there and I half expected seeing her in the background whilst you were filming as she goes most days ha ha. Currently playing off 25 hcp. Apparently my practice swing is totally different when I get over the ball with disastrous results, have a big overswing and tend to stab at the ball. Help required please. Yvonne
Hi Hannah, brand new to the channel but have seen it pop up quite a few times as I am subscribed to several UK channels. I passed the R & A level 2 rules exam with merit, which is about 90 t0 95% I think. Thank you for this video, a very good explanation of some of the more common scenarios which players take liberties with. Well explained, verbally and visually. On another point with the channel and I have noticed this on other channels I subscribe to. There is a disproportionate amount of views to subscribers to likes. Look at this one, 20K views, 7.57K subscribers and only 1.4K likes (although with this video you may have dashed some viewers reality about their better scores). I think it's a tech issue. I watch a lot of my subscriptions on the big smart TV so I can see the course on the big screen. My smart TV is not smart enough to let me "like" or make comments. I always make a point of comming back to the laptop, to like and comment. Maybe in a future video you can work that in for your audience and provide better stats for the channel.
@@ianmcmillan2634 ah thank you very much! Yes a few people have mentioned this in the past, shame YT haven’t found a fix. Not quite sure how I can get around that though! Maybe a verbal prompt
Another excellent video ! I guess the ball on that pathway you showed , you can if you want still play it as it lies and not be dropping in a bush ?? If it was a hole coming in and you had a great score going you might consider scuffing your club 🤔
Nice video thank you 🙏 will have to watch your other videos to find out about plugged balls , especially now the Autumn 🍂 November Rain ☔️ as Guns n Roses put it
In tournament play, these are great reminders... in friendly play, i give relief to about anything, clubs are expensive or unreplaceable.. i make sure that everyone is on-board with friendly play.. 1 person says no, gloves off and i am watching them extra close..
I'm under a tree branch and when I stand up, the tree branch moves. Have I improved my lie even though the branch is not impacting my contact with the ball? In my area, most courses are cut into the surrounding forest and its quite common to play errant shots out from under trees.
@@craigseaver8062 you are allowed to back into the tree/bush in a reasonable way to hit the shot so this would be fine. You would only get a penalty if you snapped part of the tree off to improve your shot
(HEALTH WARNING: I haven't been playing all that long and tend to play socially rather than in competitions) So if you can't repair pitchmarks on the fringe or apron, does that mean you also can't replace someone else's divot? If you see a big divot in the fairway and the freshly excavated strip is a couple of yards ahead, having clearly been made by someone only one or two groups ahead, surely it's good manners to replace it? Or is it in fact okay to replace it, but only after you've played your shot? As I walk along the fairway (on the rare occasions when I'm not zigzagging from the rough on one side to the rough on the other!) I'll often do a quick repair on someone else's fresh damage as I pass it. Loving the new channel and new content by the way! Subscribed!
Good question!! So you can’t replace it before you hit your shot IF it is around your ball, in your stance or in your line of play. But you can replace it afterwards. If you just walk past a random divot not near your ball you can replace it. Thanks!
2:05 if your golf ball make a pitch mark on the green then rolls off, can you repair it if is on you line to the hole? Or if it an old one? Before you take your next shot.
Regarding slow play... last year I played an invitational competition (in a promotional, friendly atmosphere) where greens were super fast and pins were set up really difficult, so there was "slowliness" simply due to shooting more shots, making less putts, marking the ball more etc. My foursome was verbally warned about that without penalty and watched by a referee for a few holes afterwards. I've found it quite stressful even though I played every shot in my time limit (40 seconds, right?). That was a strange case of slow play for me due to the set up of the course in regards to the general level of the competition.
Another question. If you take a drop does it have to be the same kind of ball you played off the tee. Or can switch ball type after you've finished a hole?
6.3b Substitution of Another Ball While Playing Hole (1) When Player Is Allowed and Not Allowed to Substitute Another Ball. Certain Rules allow a player to change the ball they are using to play a hole by substituting another ball as the ball in play, and others do not: - When taking relief under a Rule, including when either dropping a ball or placing a ball (such as when a ball will not stay in the relief area or when taking relief on the putting green), the player may use either the original ball or another ball (Rule 14.3a), - When playing again from where a previous stroke was made, the player may use either the original ball or another ball (Rule 14.6), and - When replacing a ball on a spot, the player is not allowed to substitute a ball and must use the original ball, with certain exceptions (Rule 14.2a). A player may also substitute another ball if the original ball is damaged (note that paiint and scuffs do not count as damage) See Rule 4.2.
Nice video... The looking into the bag of someone else to know what they've hit is a recipe for disaster anyway! I think it was Adam Scott that was playing with Tiger when starting on the tour and Tiger noticed he was looking (not touching, but hey, at least he didn't break the rule) at what he was hitting so he started messing with him, hitting a 7i 150 yards and then a 8i 190 yards and finally told him that you don't know if the guy hits it fast or not, what loft he has on his clubs, if he "chipped" a 80% or "pushed" at 110% for this or that shot... So yeah, know your distances and forget what others play (particularly valid for any 15+ hcp playing with most low single figure players as the speeds and lofts are typically wildly different).
I think you should also mention Model Local Rule E-5 for lost or balls hit OB which is there for pace of play so you don't have to take the "walk of shame" and hold up play, and this rule can be used for HC rounds even if the course doesn't state it's in effect.
I was surprised by the ruling to not take sand away from the ball in the playing area , as I understood that for example small stones from a path that have got onto the playing area is considered loose impediments and can be removed , why not sand
I've had a rule book in my bag for about 25 years, updated copies of course, but in all that time I've used it maybe twice (and I can't remember the second time). We vets use common sense and rarely resort to rule books. Should we? Probably but we're more interested in keeping moving than checking our rule books.
I was lucky enough to go to September School Holidays golf camp when I was 12 through until I was 18 (now 74) and rules were drilled into us every morning. As a cadet, pre-junior, we were never allowed to play with more than two young players. We had rules AND ETIQUETTE imposed like you wouldn't believe these days and, to this day, I always simply play the ball as I find it.
This needs to be shown to every match and handicap secretary in the country. Your first rule breach moving sand, mud and other material in front of the ball on the fringe is without doubt the most abused rule in my club. I suspect for just about every club competition elsewhere it's the same but no one calls it.
Without a clear definition of "slow play" how do you distinguish which one in your foursome gets the penalty. Is it 30 seconds to putt or 31? Is it going back to your bag to change clubs once you've changed your mind? Does the whole group in front get penalized when they fail to let you play through? This slow play thing is a quagmire. I like the idea of the first player having 40 seconds to take their shot and the remaining group are permitted up to 30 seconds each. Repeat this as each player walks up to their next shot. It's clear and easier to enforce.
I agree that the rule (5.6a/1) leaves a lot to the interpretation of referees. But the fact that referees are involved means that the rule is irrelevant to comlpetitions outside the elite level. Here's the text of the rule to illustrate how difficult interpretations can be: 5.6a/1 Examples of Delays That Are Considered Reasonable or Unreasonable Unreasonable delays in the context of Rule 5.6a are delays caused by a player's actions that are within the player's control and affect other players or delay the competition. Brief delays that are a result of normal events that happen during a round or are outside the player's control are generally treated as "reasonable". Determining which actions are reasonable or unreasonable depends on all the circumstances, including whether the player is waiting for other players in the group or the group ahead. Examples of actions that are likely to be treated as reasonable are: Briefly stopping by the clubhouse or half-way house to get food or drink. Taking time to consult with others in the playing group to decide whether to play out the hole when there is a normal suspension by the Committee (Rule 5.7b(2)). Examples of actions that, if causing more than a brief delay in play, are likely to be treated as unreasonable delay are: Returning to the teeing area from the putting green to retrieve a lost club. Continuing to search for a lost ball for several minutes after the allowed three-minute search time has expired. Stopping by the clubhouse or half-way house to get food or drink for more than a few minutes if the Committee has not allowed for it.
Lots of club players in Saturday competition break these rules. Most will just say. I am out on this hole, pick up, take 0 points in stableford competition and move to next tee.
This might be a stupid question but if it's a stableford competition - and you're out of shots on a particular hole and can't score - what's wrong with picking up and moving on to the next tee? I'd have thought continuing on a hole when you can't score potentially contributes to slow play and picking-up should be encouraged in those circumstances (especially in winter when daylight hours are shorter and it might be a struggle to get a competition finished before it gets dark!).
Good job Hannah! Most of all the players I know should watch this! How bout doing a video on course etiquette? That would be something useful for many as well. Keep up the great content, you're awesome!
Concerning the situation in which a player takes unplayable ball relief from a boundary object: Correct of course that one of the relief options is dropping the ball within two club-lengths. But: the ball must be dropped in bounds, not out of bounds. Sorry for bring a wise-guy...
The rule I see broken most often is people taking "back on the line" relief. They go back on the line they went into the crap, instead of back on the direction of play which would be even deeper into the rough.
I think what happens to a lot of us is that, in casual friendly rounds, some of these rules breach general, "common sense" PITA guidelines......PITA being an acronym for Pain In The........ So we don't follow them. We play "common sense", and our playing partners in our group do generally the same and no one minds. We develop habits, and forget the actual strict rules used to regulate competitions where consensus "common sense" cannot be relied on. Then, when we do get out in competition, our habits to avoid a Pain In The..... come back to bite us in the..... Hee. 😁😁😁
Hannah, don’t forget that when taking relief from the path in your scenario, take your stance with the club you intend to hit, mark where your ball would be, you then have a club length in an arc from where your ball was , not nearer the hole. There is a very good diagram in the R&A rule book 16.1a.
A pity the slow play penalty is not applied. Any penalty for dangerous play? At one course I play visitors seem to think the fact they have paid entitles them to do as they please and play their shots when the group in front is clearly within range. Picking their ball up and throwing it into the undergrowth seems to prevent a recurrence!
I have a couple of the guys that plays in our groups that could personally get a great benefit from watching this video, but I unfortunately don’t think it would help them speed up play that much…at least now I have a video that I can show them when I’m trying to make a point to them about slow play…thanks…just saying…
What makes no sense is that a provisional shot is not an option for a penalty area. Makes no sense since stroke and distance is an option and in the case you described if you’re uncertain it’s there you have to go back.
@ BTW, I appreciate you me others who make these videos on the rules. I want to play golf by the rules but can’t imagine having to read, interpret and understand all of them on my own.
I've got to say, some of these rules are infuriating. A pitch-mark on the fringe is an un-repaired man-made impediment and I think you should get relief; similarly, the rule saying you get no relief if your ball stops in an un-repaired divot on the fairway should be changed. Those rules are just dumb and make the game less fun and more frustrating.
Is that "95% certain" language really in the rules? If I see my ball, I'm 100% certain of where it is. Otherwise, I see no basis for assigning a numerical probability to my knowledge of its whereabouts. I enjoyed the video, by the way.
Peferred lies. What are your thoughts on LPGA players taking a club length 'clean and place' on beautifully manicured fairways? I can understand relief from casual water but not because the ground's a bit heavy. Surely pros should be able to play the lie. I saw one player recently move her ball almost sideways which enabled her to hit round a tree easier. It's almost like a snooker player moving the cue ball to get an easier shot.
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LOL Whenever English folk say "shrubbery" I always laugh because it reminds me of Monty Python's Holy Grail.
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@@seanbaines bwahahahahaha!!!!! 😅😅😅
Great video.
@@petermcgill1315 thanks!!
Good refresher, the most common rule violation I see at my club is the 'Nearest Point of Relief', where as you said , it is not the best nearest spot but the closest spot, the number of times I have pointed this out and been told that they were told what they were doing is correct by a Pennant player would make me a wealthy person.
😅😅 there’s always an excuse isn’t there
Your own channel 🙌💪 welcome back!
Yes! Thank you! 🙌🏼
Great explanation! I have seen loads of people get a few of these wrong!
Thanks!
Thank you!
I’m studying for my golf exam and your video is very helpful. It is much better and entertaining than boring books.
Happy to help!!!
A fun, but educational video this time. Its like watching a round of golf with my pals on a Friday, we have all of these examples cropping up, which does lead to the occasional falling out!!! Well done Hannah keep up the good work 😃
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Hannah, nice to have a refresher of the rules, I know a few people that I can show this to!!😂😂
😂😂 get it sent to them!!
Thanks Hannah for clearing up the rules. I certainly didn’t know about the arc length from the nearest point of relief from the path. Best wishes with your new channel. ❤🏌️♀️
Glad it was helpful! And thank you!!!
Loving the rules video, I’m aware of all but think my team mates would benefit! Great content, keep going.
Thank you 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Great to see you have your own Channel, Hannah. I've been following Your Golf NCG. Loved that content. If you replicate it here, with guidance on course management, rules, etc, then that would be fantastic.
Thank you! Will do!
This would be great to show at clubhouses up and down the country.
Learning the actual rules is worth doing; keeps the game fair and your personal integrity intact.
Cheers
Yes 😅 on loop in the bar 😂
Clear and straightforward. Everyone should be mandated to watch this. (PS: Hannah, you're a good actress when peeking in another player's bag.)
Thanks 🙌🏻🙌🏻 and 😂😂😂
Hi Hannah
Regarding your first point and this time of year, what if the area is covered in leaves?
Can you remove them as long as the ball doesn't move?
@@DavidOliver-sz4cd yes! Leaves are movable objects!
Good video. The one comment I'll make about advice which is commonly misunderstood is that public information is not advice. If someone asks you if there's any danger around the corner, you can tell them. You also can give them distances or an opinion on the wind direction. What you can't do is tell them something that might influence their shot choice such as "you definitely want to hit something less than driver" or "wind's off the right so I'd play a cut up against it" or "the line you want to take is at that right bunker." Just tell them facts and let them make their own decision on the shot they want to play.
Yes correct 🙌🏻 also if someone says something to you without you asking you’re all safe
Hi Hannah … The TH-cam algorithm brought up your video which I am so pleased about as I was absolutely gobsmacked when I watched your first one that came from Hickleton golf club. I immigrated to Western Australia nearly 20 years ago and Hickleton was my old club. I also lived in the village. Mum is still a member there and I half expected seeing her in the background whilst you were filming as she goes most days ha ha.
Currently playing off 25 hcp. Apparently my practice swing is totally different when I get over the ball with disastrous results, have a big overswing and tend to stab at the ball. Help required please. Yvonne
Wow! My friend Nicola slater plays there hence why I was there!!
Very useful. You could also have mentioned that when you mark and pick up a ball to identify it, you are not allowed to clean it.
Yes good point
Hi Hannah, brand new to the channel but have seen it pop up quite a few times as I am subscribed to several UK channels. I passed the R & A level 2 rules exam with merit, which is about 90 t0 95% I think. Thank you for this video, a very good explanation of some of the more common scenarios which players take liberties with. Well explained, verbally and visually. On another point with the channel and I have noticed this on other channels I subscribe to. There is a disproportionate amount of views to subscribers to likes. Look at this one, 20K views, 7.57K subscribers and only 1.4K likes (although with this video you may have dashed some viewers reality about their better scores). I think it's a tech issue. I watch a lot of my subscriptions on the big smart TV so I can see the course on the big screen. My smart TV is not smart enough to let me "like" or make comments. I always make a point of comming back to the laptop, to like and comment. Maybe in a future video you can work that in for your audience and provide better stats for the channel.
@@ianmcmillan2634 ah thank you very much! Yes a few people have mentioned this in the past, shame YT haven’t found a fix. Not quite sure how I can get around that though! Maybe a verbal prompt
Good clear explanations on the rules of golf Hannah.Watched this again.I’m sure I did add a comment first time round.That comment may have got lost.
Another excellent video !
I guess the ball on that pathway you showed , you can if you want still play it as it lies and not be dropping in a bush ?? If it was a hole coming in and you had a great score going you might consider scuffing your club 🤔
Absolutely you can choose to play it!!
love the way you explain stuff
Thank you!!
Nice video thank you 🙏 will have to watch your other videos to find out about plugged balls , especially now the Autumn 🍂 November Rain ☔️ as Guns n Roses put it
Thanks Hannah, very helpfull.
Glad it helped!!
Hannah you're doing a fantastic job with your new channel. I really enjoy your videos.
Thank you so much!!!
Hard enough to master the golf swing before thinking about rules, but thanks for starting the next chapter of my golf journey.
Absolutely 😅 they aren’t as bad as they seem
In tournament play, these are great reminders... in friendly play, i give relief to about anything, clubs are expensive or unreplaceable.. i make sure that everyone is on-board with friendly play.. 1 person says no, gloves off and i am watching them extra close..
Definitely!! Anything goes in fun golf
Good vid. Tee peg in the hair is a strong flex too
😂😂😂 I had no pockets
I'm under a tree branch and when I stand up, the tree branch moves. Have I improved my lie even though the branch is not impacting my contact with the ball? In my area, most courses are cut into the surrounding forest and its quite common to play errant shots out from under trees.
@@craigseaver8062 you are allowed to back into the tree/bush in a reasonable way to hit the shot so this would be fine. You would only get a penalty if you snapped part of the tree off to improve your shot
6:34 what about in front of the ball? I had a dead tree branch and wasn’t sure if I could move it.
You can move it if it is loose and not still attached to the ground and as long as your ball doesn’t move while you’re moving it
Subbed and liked the video. I have a question. I saw someone putting with one hand on the grip and the other on the shaft. Is that a rule violation?
There are extensive rules about the equipment itself, but there are no rules about how you use your hands to hold a club.
Thank you!! I think that one is all good
(HEALTH WARNING: I haven't been playing all that long and tend to play socially rather than in competitions)
So if you can't repair pitchmarks on the fringe or apron, does that mean you also can't replace someone else's divot? If you see a big divot in the fairway and the freshly excavated strip is a couple of yards ahead, having clearly been made by someone only one or two groups ahead, surely it's good manners to replace it?
Or is it in fact okay to replace it, but only after you've played your shot? As I walk along the fairway (on the rare occasions when I'm not zigzagging from the rough on one side to the rough on the other!) I'll often do a quick repair on someone else's fresh damage as I pass it.
Loving the new channel and new content by the way! Subscribed!
Good question!!
So you can’t replace it before you hit your shot IF it is around your ball, in your stance or in your line of play. But you can replace it afterwards.
If you just walk past a random divot not near your ball you can replace it.
Thanks!
you can fix any defect that doesn't affect your next stroke. so you can always fix it after you hit. (and yes, it's good manners to fix it.)
2:05 if your golf ball make a pitch mark on the green then rolls off, can you repair it if is on you line to the hole? Or if it an old one? Before you take your next shot.
Yes you can repair pitchmarks on the green 😃
Very interesting I know some players don’t mind improving their lie. Also nearest not nicest is very annoying as so many get it wrong
Yes we all know a few people who break these don't we!!
Regarding slow play... last year I played an invitational competition (in a promotional, friendly atmosphere) where greens were super fast and pins were set up really difficult, so there was "slowliness" simply due to shooting more shots, making less putts, marking the ball more etc. My foursome was verbally warned about that without penalty and watched by a referee for a few holes afterwards. I've found it quite stressful even though I played every shot in my time limit (40 seconds, right?). That was a strange case of slow play for me due to the set up of the course in regards to the general level of the competition.
They can only penalise you if routine is too slow not for having extra shots! They should have realised it was course conditions
Congrats on the new channel!!!
Thank you!! 🤩
Another question. If you take a drop does it have to be the same kind of ball you played off the tee. Or can switch ball type after you've finished a hole?
6.3b
Substitution of Another Ball While Playing Hole
(1) When Player Is Allowed and Not Allowed to Substitute Another Ball. Certain Rules allow a player to change the ball they are using to play a hole by substituting another ball as the ball in play, and others do not:
- When taking relief under a Rule, including when either dropping a ball or placing a ball (such as when a ball will not stay in the relief area or when taking relief on the putting green), the player may use either the original ball or another ball (Rule 14.3a),
- When playing again from where a previous stroke was made, the player may use either the original ball or another ball (Rule 14.6), and
- When replacing a ball on a spot, the player is not allowed to substitute a ball and must use the original ball, with certain exceptions (Rule 14.2a).
A player may also substitute another ball if the original ball is damaged (note that paiint and scuffs do not count as damage) See Rule 4.2.
Cheers Hannah!
no problem!
Nice video... The looking into the bag of someone else to know what they've hit is a recipe for disaster anyway! I think it was Adam Scott that was playing with Tiger when starting on the tour and Tiger noticed he was looking (not touching, but hey, at least he didn't break the rule) at what he was hitting so he started messing with him, hitting a 7i 150 yards and then a 8i 190 yards and finally told him that you don't know if the guy hits it fast or not, what loft he has on his clubs, if he "chipped" a 80% or "pushed" at 110% for this or that shot... So yeah, know your distances and forget what others play (particularly valid for any 15+ hcp playing with most low single figure players as the speeds and lofts are typically wildly different).
Yes you have to know someone else’s game very well to club off them!
"Just shut up and keep your hands to yourself!" 🤣🤣 Love it!!!
😂😂😂 I was waiting for someone to pick up on that
Hmm, yes. Applies in so many ways, doesn't it.
Great sweater!!
I think you should also mention Model Local Rule E-5 for lost or balls hit OB which is there for pace of play so you don't have to take the "walk of shame" and hold up play, and this rule can be used for HC rounds even if the course doesn't state it's in effect.
In the UK this is a local rule that the committee had to bring into play for use in competitions. But it can be used for general play
Good video - thanks.
Thank you!
I was surprised by the ruling to not take sand away from the ball in the playing area , as I understood that for example small stones from a path that have got onto the playing area is considered loose impediments and can be removed , why not sand
Was about to say exactly the same thing, how is sand from a bunker that’s got there because it’s loose not a loose impediment?
I know it is quite an odd one!! Not quite sure on the reasoning!!
Nice!
Thanks!
What course do you play at Hannah? Love the jumper by the way 😊
Alwoodley!
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Winter rules, as it’s on fairway, you can move 6” left or right but no nearer the hole!
Love the jumper. Is it Galvin Green?!?!?! 😂
Thanks! Its actually a random T K Max find
I've had a rule book in my bag for about 25 years, updated copies of course, but in all that time I've used it maybe twice (and I can't remember the second time). We vets use common sense and rarely resort to rule books. Should we? Probably but we're more interested in keeping moving than checking our rule books.
You are allowed to read the rule book at home before playing.
Interesting. I always had to keep one in my bag for junior tournaments and we had to use it loads!
I was lucky enough to go to September School Holidays golf camp when I was 12 through until I was 18 (now 74) and rules were drilled into us every morning. As a cadet, pre-junior, we were never allowed to play with more than two young players. We had rules AND ETIQUETTE imposed like you wouldn't believe these days and, to this day, I always simply play the ball as I find it.
Keep up the good work !
Thanks, will do!
This needs to be shown to every match and handicap secretary in the country. Your first rule breach moving sand, mud and other material in front of the ball on the fringe is without doubt the most abused rule in my club. I suspect for just about every club competition elsewhere it's the same but no one calls it.
Yes very true 😅😅
Wait when lose a ball in penalty area did i miss the “penalty” part of dropping a new ball ? How many strokes is the penalty in other words ….?
@@vicpnut1 one shot!
@ thanks 👍🏼i did assume this but never really “knew it” .
Without a clear definition of "slow play" how do you distinguish which one in your foursome gets the penalty. Is it 30 seconds to putt or 31? Is it going back to your bag to change clubs once you've changed your mind? Does the whole group in front get penalized when they fail to let you play through? This slow play thing is a quagmire.
I like the idea of the first player having 40 seconds to take their shot and the remaining group are permitted up to 30 seconds each. Repeat this as each player walks up to their next shot. It's clear and easier to enforce.
I agree that the rule (5.6a/1) leaves a lot to the interpretation of referees. But the fact that referees are involved means that the rule is irrelevant to comlpetitions outside the elite level. Here's the text of the rule to illustrate how difficult interpretations can be:
5.6a/1
Examples of Delays That Are Considered Reasonable or Unreasonable
Unreasonable delays in the context of Rule 5.6a are delays caused by a player's actions that are within the player's control and affect other players or delay the competition. Brief delays that are a result of normal events that happen during a round or are outside the player's control are generally treated as "reasonable". Determining which actions are reasonable or unreasonable depends on all the circumstances, including whether the player is waiting for other players in the group or the group ahead. Examples of actions that are likely to be treated as reasonable are:
Briefly stopping by the clubhouse or half-way house to get food or drink.
Taking time to consult with others in the playing group to decide whether to play out the hole when there is a normal suspension by the Committee (Rule 5.7b(2)).
Examples of actions that, if causing more than a brief delay in play, are likely to be treated as unreasonable delay are:
Returning to the teeing area from the putting green to retrieve a lost club.
Continuing to search for a lost ball for several minutes after the allowed three-minute search time has expired.
Stopping by the clubhouse or half-way house to get food or drink for more than a few minutes if the Committee has not allowed for it.
Accidently? Nope, I know these rules after 30 years of playing, but still love your vids.
😅 I was trying to be nice to people who get them wrong
Lots of club players in Saturday competition break these rules. Most will just say. I am out on this hole, pick up, take 0 points in stableford competition and move to next tee.
Yes true 😅
This might be a stupid question but if it's a stableford competition - and you're out of shots on a particular hole and can't score - what's wrong with picking up and moving on to the next tee? I'd have thought continuing on a hole when you can't score potentially contributes to slow play and picking-up should be encouraged in those circumstances (especially in winter when daylight hours are shorter and it might be a struggle to get a competition finished before it gets dark!).
Good job Hannah! Most of all the players I know should watch this!
How bout doing a video on course etiquette? That would be something useful for many as well.
Keep up the great content, you're awesome!
@@freemanwells7891 good idea!!
Concerning the situation in which a player takes unplayable ball relief from a boundary object: Correct of course that one of the relief options is dropping the ball within two club-lengths. But: the ball must be dropped in bounds, not out of bounds. Sorry for bring a wise-guy...
I thought that one was obvious 😂
Have you golfed/ Been to America? 🇺🇸
*update* just watched your past video… you answered my question.. 😅
Yes played abit in the states!! Hopefully get back soon
Awesome it should be mandatory viewing for everyone that plays in club competitions as most haven't got a clue.
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I'm definitely going to start keeping a tee peg in my plaits!
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The rule I see broken most often is people taking "back on the line" relief. They go back on the line they went into the crap, instead of back on the direction of play which would be even deeper into the rough.
Oh dear 🤦🏼♀️ yes that’s definitely misunderstood
Cool video 💯
Thanks! 😃
I think what happens to a lot of us is that, in casual friendly rounds, some of these rules breach general, "common sense" PITA guidelines......PITA being an acronym for Pain In The........ So we don't follow them. We play "common sense", and our playing partners in our group do generally the same and no one minds. We develop habits, and forget the actual strict rules used to regulate competitions where consensus "common sense" cannot be relied on. Then, when we do get out in competition, our habits to avoid a Pain In The..... come back to bite us in the.....
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Yes very true 😂 casual and comp round rules vary a lot
Hannah, don’t forget that when taking relief from the path in your scenario, take your stance with the club you intend to hit, mark where your ball would be, you then have a club length in an arc from where your ball was , not nearer the hole. There is a very good diagram in the R&A rule book 16.1a.
Yes, I did mention you get a club length arc!
So the arc is from where the ball is”replace”not your body
Another informative video
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Gonna pass this to my mates, Slowcoach and Sneakypeak.
" Jobs a good'un."
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Forbros should watch this especially ronan
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Haha happy iknew all these rules but i never inforce them when i play most lads iknow could get at least 10 shots added on if i did 😂
Wait until the big money match 👀😂
How good is your fashion. Always look immaculate. 🙌
Why thank you ☺️
A pity the slow play penalty is not applied. Any penalty for dangerous play? At one course I play visitors seem to think the fact they have paid entitles them to do as they please and play their shots when the group in front is clearly within range. Picking their ball up and throwing it into the undergrowth seems to prevent a recurrence!
Sadly no penalty I know of for dangerous play. Probably would cause too many penalty shots 😅
I have a couple of the guys that plays in our groups that could personally get a great benefit from watching this video, but I unfortunately don’t think it would help them speed up play that much…at least now I have a video that I can show them when I’m trying to make a point to them about slow play…thanks…just saying…
Love it 😅
I like being slow, I repair the course as I go. I enjoy it out there. I let people pass.
What makes no sense is that a provisional shot is not an option for a penalty area. Makes no sense since stroke and distance is an option and in the case you described if you’re uncertain it’s there you have to go back.
Yes that is a crazy rule 😂
@ BTW, I appreciate you me others who make these videos on the rules. I want to play golf by the rules but can’t imagine having to read, interpret and understand all of them on my own.
Great advice, well explained. We can all do with a refresher in the rules dept.
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This is why I never have and probably never will play competitive golf.
😂 it is a lot
I've got to say, some of these rules are infuriating. A pitch-mark on the fringe is an un-repaired man-made impediment and I think you should get relief; similarly, the rule saying you get no relief if your ball stops in an un-repaired divot on the fairway should be changed. Those rules are just dumb and make the game less fun and more frustrating.
Yes some are mad 😅😅
Would love to see you do some collaboration videos.
Hoping to sort some soon!
I wish I had hair to put my tee pegs in 😂
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This video has a lot of likes
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Nominating the rule number for each of your points would help many people to read the full text and moreover, get used to looking up the rules.
Got it!
All very basic rules, however, lots don’t know them.
Yes definitely!
Nearest not nicest is my pet hate, too many golfers do it.
@@eddiemaylor2716 sooo many golfers!
Is that "95% certain" language really in the rules? If I see my ball, I'm 100% certain of where it is. Otherwise, I see no basis for assigning a numerical probability to my knowledge of its whereabouts. I enjoyed the video, by the way.
To answer your opening question: No. When I cheat, it's always deliberate.
Why isn’t the sand a loose impediment?
@@edboczek9939 good question! It just isn’t classed as one in the rules 🤷🏼♀️
I’m not accidentally cheating! I’m just ignoring stupid rules that only keep screwing up winter golf
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Thanks @hannah, that’s really helpful.
@@IanWilkinson-vl9qt glad it was of use!!
The known or virtually certain rule is daft. No other words for it. Following it, means you’re at risk of breaking the other rule of slow play.
You can't be done for slow play while going back to replay a shot. But yes it is a dumb rule
@@hannahholdengolf If it is a dumb rule, what do you suggest?
Peferred lies. What are your thoughts on LPGA players taking a club length 'clean and place' on beautifully manicured fairways?
I can understand relief from casual water but not because the ground's a bit heavy. Surely pros should be able to play the lie.
I saw one player recently move her ball almost sideways which enabled her to hit round a tree easier.
It's almost like a snooker player moving the cue ball to get an easier shot.
It’s not cheating if no one is watching.
I’m not sure that’s how it works 👀😂
Its not cheating if you don't know the rule, its still wrong, but only cheating if you flaunt the rule😉
Is it 🤨
Don’t no one golf rule
Even after watching this?! 🤷🏼♀️
Pros cheat every week, no one says anything…
I’m tempted to unsubscribe ! You’ve just added 3 shots to my average Sunday morning round 🤣
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