Exciting times ahead! Many questions/answers that you may have can be found in the Q&A section on this page: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt . There, you'll also find the specifications, photos and additional content related to the 4KP EVT (Engineering Sample). If your question hasn't been answered there, please comment below. *Remember*: This is a sample, not the final production version - there will be changes!
Man, AtGames really killed it with this 4K model. Really like what I see, I’m jealous of new ALP owners, haha. But would I sell off my current, modded one? Absolutely not. Looking forward to Part 2!
We finally get to see the 4k pinball. It looks awesome. I am so glad they added the DMD. That backbox looks so good too. It really is starting to look like a real pinball machine.
I'm stoked! I just recently got into VP and was looking around for my first table that wouldn't break the bank. Looks like I have found something to save up for! Can't wait for part 2 and all your excellent tutorials about connecting a PC (namely my Steam Deck :D )
Thank you John, for this. You don’t know this, but you have saved my life with the original ALP with programming, the Rachel board, and routing of buttons. Please keep up the great work that you do. Thanks so much!!
I'm kinka new to the virtual pinball world, but am getting excited about this Legends 4k. I'm happy to see many of the upgrades, but I wish they would forego the marquee. My favorite pinball machines usually had one large image on the backglass. The marquee made sense on the Legends Arcade (which I own) because those classic video games had marquees. I would also be more likely to buy this if it's simple & easy to own lots of different classic pinball simulations as I'm not really interested in streaming, memberships, etc. Thanks for the great content.
Thanks Jon! GREAT first look... Thanks for showing the closeup of the new pcb. At the very least, it confirms it really differs from the image of the (still no-show) "UPGRADE PCB" that was opened for pre-ordering last Feb. Can't wait until Part 2! :D
Thank you Phil and you're welcome! I'm trying to take all the feedback received from the intro. video and make sure I cover as much as I can in this series while I have the machine here.
I wish the volume and hdmi switcher buttons were on the front instead of the back of the playfield. When you have other cabinets beside the ALP it’s somewhat inconvenient to have to lean over the playfield to press them.
@WagnersTechTalk hey Jon can we use all the old upgrades from the HD machine on the 4k one? Like I have arcade control panel already and that really powerful speaker system that you have on the HD model, can I just put those into the new pinball machine?
I understand, it's a hot question. That likely won't be coming from me, but officially by AtGames. When it does, I'll update the Q: here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
Thanks Jon! Great introduction video! My only gripe is with the marquee, wish they would ditch the redundant branding. I think this could help provide more space for either an upgrade on the 8 inch either through atgames or mod.. thanks!
@@petermacnab1871 they said more Zen themed tables will come. I mixed up the 15 with the number of included tables tho. But I'm sure there will be more than 3-4 others. If they do a Star Wars I might not be able to resist!
@@petermacnab1871I wasn't crazy after all! The announcement did say there would be 15 collector's edition machines made between 2023 and 2025, limited to 5000 units each.
My biggest gripe is the dinky 8" DMD. They increased the Backglass size significantly, but in doing so, it makes the DMD look so tiny!!!! I've been using my ALP backbox in OTG as a FullDMD screen and I've got a 15" cheap $80 LCD running on top as the Backbox screen. Much nicer experience for a fraction of the cost. Based on what we're seeing so far, I don't see the 4KP being a justifiable purchase at what I'm guessing will be a ~$1,200+ retail. Certainly not for someone who already has an original ALP. It's concerning that the HD table packs and 4K table packs are not compatible with the opposite devices and makes me wonder why they would bother offering an upgrade kit. Hopefully AtGames does the right thing and grants customers access to both versions of purchased tables so that people who already have a library of tables and then buy the new 4KP don't have to repurchase their entire library. Otherwise this is going to be another controversial scenario like Pinball FX.
i do love all the changes that they have made. I just wish they would have eliminated the marquee and went with a larger DMD. Can't wait to see the rest of your videos.
Very nice and thorough review. I like that you covered the small details that everyone wants to know like the height and the coin box design. Keep it up!
Looks great, big improvements. But I'm not going to switch to the new model directly. With all the mods I've made (vibs-board, haptics upgrade) I'm quite happy with my current version of the ALP for now. But of course, in a few years I will have to buy a new one. And ATGames still has the best virtual pinball machine in this price range.
Wow, looks like they are going for the DIY market by offering a complete pinball cabinet kit with all the desirable features (options for arcade controls and SSF), 4K playfield, and full DMD. For those saying $1,000-$1,250 is overpriced for this, I disagree. A VirtuaPin cabinet kit can run $1,500 before monitors, PC, speakers, exciters, plunger, legs, etc.A complete build around one of those would probably approach $3,000. RecRoomMasters used to offer a pincab kit for about $850, but they haven't reintroduced it to the market yet; and prices on their previous line of arcade cabinets have gone up 25% since 2018 when I bought mine. Even if the ALP 4KP is $1,250, no one else offers a complete kit for that price. I only wish that AtGames had bumped up the playfield size to 40" with a 32" backglass and 15" full DMD - like a full-size cabinet kit. Sell that with the AtGames / RockChip motherboard for $1,250-$1,500 and that could almost corner the entire market. That said, if I catch a good sale, I am seriously tempted by this!
They still haven’t learned from all the feedback of the first unit. DITCH THE MARQUEE! That was the first thing I spent time doing a mod for when I got in the first release waves 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
If they remove that title marquee, they can have a 10-12" DMD. The 8" is way too small. They don't have to go full 15" DMD (it would be great to go Stern size though), and there are hundreds of beautiful 1080p fulldmds for PC pinball that really need a nice large beautiful DMD display to fully appreciate. There's nothing like them. But at least give us a few more inches! The 8" may look OK with built-in native titles, which is all they likely care about but it would look so much better with just a few more inches but probably too late now to source.
As usual, one step forward, two steps back. They had the wherewithal to increase the size of the Backglass, but in doing so, made the already small 8" DMD look tiny by comparison. I'll stick to my original ALP with my additional 15" LCD for OTG. Having a matched set of Backglass and FullDMD displays is something I won't downgrade from.
The legends decals are such an eye sore. Who at ATgames think it looks good. So excited for this thing to release. Playing all those old games. Hopefully they are ported so we have back glass and dmd working for the tatio and dr suess titles
Great video. Thank you for all the details and the work put into this. Looks awesome other than that 8 inch display which i wished was a little larger. Also hoping that I can utilize the ability to physically nudge / tilt the machine when playing over OTG. Please cover that if you can.
M,an why does have to looks so good already? I want to mot like it so that I will paly my old one with all my upgrades . but man this thing looks GOOD!
Damn now I want this! I wonder what the price point is going to be? Can I use the sauce and the control panel that I am using on my current ALP on the new 4k ALP?
Love everything about this except the marquee. Not sure if I would upgrade yet. Very curious about refresh rate and lag with OTG. Thanks for all the work on this!
I expect every single person who owns an original ALP HD will sell it to buy this. THIS is a real good virtual pin. Honestly, nobody even needs to mess with building your own. Just buy this an mod it.
That's a bit of an excessive prediction, no? There's plenty of factors that would lead people to be uninterested. The price point will be key for many. How AtGames chooses to handle access to the new 4K versions of tables will be another critical point. If they tell customers who already own the HD packs that they have to repurchase the same tables because "it's a new 4K version", those customers are not going to be happy about paying twice to play the same tables. This would turn away most of the existing customers who specifically play the built in games. For someone like me who exclusively plays OTG, I'm not interested in the new 4KP based on what we've seen so far. The DMD screen is half the size of the FullDMD screen I'm already running now. A screen that only cost me $80, btw. The 4K resolution of the playfield screen would be nice to have, but I could have already replaced the screen myself if I really wanted to. I'm not seeing enough net positives so far to justify investing over $1k on the new 4KP, even if I sold off my current ALP (I think $1k is a conservative enough price for us to agree it's a safe assumption).
Not necessarily. What the price is can make a difference on if people decide to sell current one. Also. On a 32 inch screen 4k may not be a big enough difference for people to want to buy the new one. And since it seems like OLED and 120hz is off the table, as a whole the difference could be considered marginal.
@@TheForsaken30 Yeah, even for most people who buy into 4K for the sake of 4K, it's a relatively small improvement all things concerned. What most people fail to consider is that 4K content requires significantly more robust hardware to run at the same frame rates as 1080P (let alone at 120Hz), so I'm expecting built-in tables to struggle (despite the beefier processing power of the new chip). In the likely case it's neither OLED or 120Hz, it's going to be a deal breaker for majority of the hardcore community who use these things for OTG. The investment in the new hardware relative to the benefit will be to the point of diminishing returns. Hell, for a measly $80 you can buy your own 15" Full HD LCD screen for OTG and have identical sized Backglass and FullDMD. Far more enjoyable than using a giant 24" Backglass with a tiny 8" DMD.
Jon, your videos are awesome. Tell them to ditch the marquee permanently - I don't understand why this company doesn't understand that looks matter. They couldn't make uglier stuff if they tried. Look forward to your next video and thanks for all your contributions to the community.
Perhaps that area could be re-utilized by modders as a TOPPER display for PC/OTG pinball.. Might look cool integrated and not on top of the whole cab as many do...
Hi, for me two things are crucial, The lag of the usb controller when connecting to a PC and is the Tilt sensor usable on the PC ? (I have the legends HD pinball with a PC with pinup popper and those points are not the best at the moment.)
It only makes sense for Atgames to get into the upgrade market. They are losing money to other companies with the bigger back boxes and hardware to upgrade your Playfield. My only question/hope is that running OTG /popper,vpx will be ok with a 60hz screen. If it will lag. I'm waiting for this review before I spend another $1,000 upgrading my play field and back box if this thing turns out to fill all those wishes I have then I'll just sell my original legends pinball and purchase this. I'm guessing $1600. Can't wait.
If you're talking about OTG, please see Part 3 where it's covered in detail. If you're talking about the 14 stock tables, they play great (no noticeable lag/latency). The Addams Family has some latency and issues that are being worked on and will cover that in a later video, once things have improved.
There is an optional SSF kit that is up for pre-order. That kit will provide 4 additional speakers and one bass shaker. If that's something you're interested in. I've not tried that yet, but will be seeing it in a few days.
Thanks for the review. Only two improvements need to be made. The DMD screen needs to be a 10" display, and the USBs need to be facing the player. But, that's an easy hack. Just run USB extensions to cutouts in the front panel of the backbox. Other than that, I love the design, and wouldn't mine owning it, if I could afford it. I'm guessing it'll retail for around 2K$, or more. Very impressed with the properly scaled up backbox. Finally! They "get" it. LOL :)
There has been no official word on price or release date. Once this information is available, it will be updated here (Question #5): wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . No issues here with viewing angles. I have not tried my own PC as of yet, awaiting updated CE-4K on that one.
Interesting idea, I think you'd miss out on a lot with that type of option. There are many excellent and exclusive tables available for the ALP HD/4K (TAITO, Natural History, Dr. Seuss, with more coming). Of course, you always have the option to use OTG, if you prefer. I appreciate your feedback!
Is head tracking to subtly change the view of the playfield a thing in virtual pinball? I feel like it would be a good way to achieve the illusion of depth without needing 3D glasses or a parallax barrier (like the 3DS used).
There are several PC-based pinball platforms that support Kinect (Future Pinball, Visual Pinball and Arcooda). Honestly, it's more of a novelty, as your head is pretty stationary most of the time playing a game. Though, on some games that have upper flippers, it's helpful to be able to move a little to the side to get a better angle on them.
Is it possible to make these digital pinball machines work with coins? I know some people they dont like the added complexity, but something about the process of actually inputting a coin and if you lose having to pony up another one just brings back memories I have been thinking about getting a digital pinball machine but I would really like to know if there was a way to make it have to accept coind to play?
Checked with AtGames, this information isn't available to me at this time. I'll be sure to add it to the guide page when I find out: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/
What I'm most curious about... and in my opinion it's the most important thing to fix compared to the HD version.... is if OTG connected to a PC no longer has the large amount of delay / lag like the HD version did. Glad to see they have been listening to feedback on many things though.
Yep I’m exactly wondering that too. There was so much delay on the HD that it’s just been a paperweight. Well actually I put some towels over it and my cats sleep on it all the time. Levi Astro sleeps on the back box, Kai Jin sleeps on the playfield.
@@8-bit_Informer 13600k rtx 3080 32gigs ram , nvme 2tb drive. It has something to do with the OTG it adds lag to it. You can get used to it if that’s the only thing you play on. It’s very noticeable compared to running straight to a monitor without the OTG.
idk what you're talking about, OTG doesn't have a significant amount of lag unless the connected PC is underpowered, hasn't been optimized, or you needlessly integrate JoyToKey. By configuring controls directly within PinUpPopper and VPX and configuring low-latency mode in the Nvidia control panel, you'll eliminate majority of input lag. Overwhelming sources of delay and lag are on the PC itself and have to do with optimizing the OS and applications.
@@Tamarocker88 Well my regular, full-size 42 inch 4k OLED virtual pinball machine with 4 screens runs perfectly fine on the same PC. Vr works fine too I’m not the only one that says there is lag/delay using OTG. I’ve never ever use joy to key in my life. I am always run ultra low latency mode in the Nvidia settings and controls configured through pinup popper.
I'm still waiting for the email on the ALP upgrade board that I pre-ordered with $50 deposit. Haven't seen anything yet, are they too busy with 4k because it was supposed to be by 2 quarter 23, we are now going into 4th and no info except for 4k stuff.
Oh yes the artwork is spot on, well most of it anyway. I love Space Invaders, Rainbow Islands and Bubble Bobble, I think that is Revenge of Doh as well. The other ones I have no clue about. However, I hope they keep that artwork, shame about the colour of legs, I would have preferred silver or a chrome. However, I am in love so far.
@WagnersTechTalk I myself have just eaten a loss before cause I couldn't repackage a return. I played right into their hand! Good luck. Very much looking forward to the 2nd part
@@WagnersTechTalk Me too! And Welp.. C'mon... You began the reveal with the iconic "Shall We Play A Game" clip! Hahaha! Its either that or Joshua or Falken !
Exciting times ahead! Many questions/answers that you may have can be found in the Q&A section on this page: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt . There, you'll also find the specifications, photos and additional content related to the 4KP EVT (Engineering Sample). If your question hasn't been answered there, please comment below. *Remember*: This is a sample, not the final production version - there will be changes!
Man, AtGames really killed it with this 4K model. Really like what I see, I’m jealous of new ALP owners, haha. But would I sell off my current, modded one? Absolutely not. Looking forward to Part 2!
We finally get to see the 4k pinball. It looks awesome. I am so glad they added the DMD. That backbox looks so good too. It really is starting to look like a real pinball machine.
I know you’ve been wanting to add a vpin to your collection, will you be doing that with this bud?
@@nerdloftgaming Yes, I will be pre-ordering this one. I cannot wait
I'm stoked! I just recently got into VP and was looking around for my first table that wouldn't break the bank. Looks like I have found something to save up for! Can't wait for part 2 and all your excellent tutorials about connecting a PC (namely my Steam Deck :D )
Thank you John, for this. You don’t know this, but you have saved my life with the original ALP with programming, the Rachel board, and routing of buttons. Please keep up the great work that you do. Thanks so much!!
Thank you so much and very welcome, happy to hear the content has been helpful to ya!
Well done John … This preview is turning out to be a positive step … I look forward to the series and to define the true 4k capabilities…
Great video, I've been impatiently waiting for some more info. Appreciate all the details and can't wait for the next one. Thanks!
Thank you, more coming! Thank you for watching!
Every mod I've done to the HD. They did a great job on this.
Great Job Jon!
Thank you so much MichaelB!
I'm kinka new to the virtual pinball world, but am getting excited about this Legends 4k. I'm happy to see many of the upgrades, but I wish they would forego the marquee. My favorite pinball machines usually had one large image on the backglass. The marquee made sense on the Legends Arcade (which I own) because those classic video games had marquees. I would also be more likely to buy this if it's simple & easy to own lots of different classic pinball simulations as I'm not really interested in streaming, memberships, etc. Thanks for the great content.
Thank you and I appreciate your kind feedback!
Looking forward to part 2!
Thanks Jon!
GREAT first look... Thanks for showing the closeup of the new pcb.
At the very least, it confirms it really differs from the image of the (still no-show) "UPGRADE PCB" that was opened for pre-ordering last Feb.
Can't wait until Part 2!
:D
Thank you Phil and you're welcome! I'm trying to take all the feedback received from the intro. video and make sure I cover as much as I can in this series while I have the machine here.
Thanks for letting us know! looks like I have a plan for Christmas!
Very welcome! More to come.
I wish the volume and hdmi switcher buttons were on the front instead of the back of the playfield. When you have other cabinets beside the ALP it’s somewhat inconvenient to have to lean over the playfield to press them.
I appreciate your feedback!
Fantastic job Jon. so glad you are getting to try it out and share with us.
It is certainly an honor I don't take lightly. Thank you!
Been waiting all month for this! Thanks Jon
More to come!
Great job Jon…but I should have ordered the joystick panel when I had the chance. LOL
Thank you Al! The ACP is one of the best upgrades for the ALP that I own. That, the BSA Haptics kit and magnetic cup holders lol
@WagnersTechTalk hey Jon can we use all the old upgrades from the HD machine on the 4k one? Like I have arcade control panel already and that really powerful speaker system that you have on the HD model, can I just put those into the new pinball machine?
Ow the new one looks awesome !
Dude, the wait for Part 2 has been agonizing. I gotta know!
If not tonight, tomorrow morning.
Top notch stuff as always... looking forward to the rest of the series!
Very kind of you to say, thank you!
Great job as always, Jon! Very well done here. My #1 question is the 4k playfield refresh rate! Looking forward to that one! lol
im going to guess its 60hz we can hope for 120hz!
@@davysmith8569 It is suppose to be 60hz but maybe they will increase it to 120hz
We'll explore that question in Part 2! Thank you @lil4lien!
@@WagnersTechTalk Look forward to it!!
It's 60hz, added it here this morning after getting confirmation: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
This is great content Jon, everyone is so hyped for this. As you would expect we all want to know price. Always appreciate your tutorials
I understand, it's a hot question. That likely won't be coming from me, but officially by AtGames. When it does, I'll update the Q: here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
Anyone have a guess?
$1299.
@@svenop say what?
Turns around *looks at ALP* "Man, you got old quick homie! wtf!?"
😀
Thank you for this! Ready to preorder--Pinball money!
Any time!
Excellent job on the video Jon. Really thorough!!
Much appreciated!
Thanks Jon! Great introduction video! My only gripe is with the marquee, wish they would ditch the redundant branding. I think this could help provide more space for either an upgrade on the 8 inch either through atgames or mod.. thanks!
Appreciate your feedback!
It would be nice if they made 3-4 themed tables instead if that mixed theme one. It would look cooler and more cohesive in my opinion. 😢
How about 15 themed tables? (hopefully you saw yesterday's announcement)
@@danriley6237 15 ? I saw Adams family only
@@petermacnab1871 they said more Zen themed tables will come. I mixed up the 15 with the number of included tables tho. But I'm sure there will be more than 3-4 others. If they do a Star Wars I might not be able to resist!
@@petermacnab1871I wasn't crazy after all! The announcement did say there would be 15 collector's edition machines made between 2023 and 2025, limited to 5000 units each.
Hopefully will come to uk this will perfect for my vpx build
This looks amazing! Thanks for all the details. 👍
Very welcome, hope you found the series of videos helpful!
Looks amazing! Can’t wait for part 2! 🎉
Coming soon!
My biggest gripe is the dinky 8" DMD. They increased the Backglass size significantly, but in doing so, it makes the DMD look so tiny!!!! I've been using my ALP backbox in OTG as a FullDMD screen and I've got a 15" cheap $80 LCD running on top as the Backbox screen. Much nicer experience for a fraction of the cost. Based on what we're seeing so far, I don't see the 4KP being a justifiable purchase at what I'm guessing will be a ~$1,200+ retail. Certainly not for someone who already has an original ALP. It's concerning that the HD table packs and 4K table packs are not compatible with the opposite devices and makes me wonder why they would bother offering an upgrade kit. Hopefully AtGames does the right thing and grants customers access to both versions of purchased tables so that people who already have a library of tables and then buy the new 4KP don't have to repurchase their entire library. Otherwise this is going to be another controversial scenario like Pinball FX.
Appreciate your feedback, as I learn new information it will be added here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
i do love all the changes that they have made. I just wish they would have eliminated the marquee and went with a larger DMD. Can't wait to see the rest of your videos.
Very nice and thorough review. I like that you covered the small details that everyone wants to know like the height and the coin box design. Keep it up!
Awesome, thank you!
Been waiting on this one!!
Looks great, big improvements. But I'm not going to switch to the new model directly. With all the mods I've made (vibs-board, haptics upgrade) I'm quite happy with my current version of the ALP for now. But of course, in a few years I will have to buy a new one. And ATGames still has the best virtual pinball machine in this price range.
Thank you so much, appreciate you sir 👊🏻👽
Very welcome, thank you for your kind reply!
Wow, looks like they are going for the DIY market by offering a complete pinball cabinet kit with all the desirable features (options for arcade controls and SSF), 4K playfield, and full DMD.
For those saying $1,000-$1,250 is overpriced for this, I disagree. A VirtuaPin cabinet kit can run $1,500 before monitors, PC, speakers, exciters, plunger, legs, etc.A complete build around one of those would probably approach $3,000. RecRoomMasters used to offer a pincab kit for about $850, but they haven't reintroduced it to the market yet; and prices on their previous line of arcade cabinets have gone up 25% since 2018 when I bought mine. Even if the ALP 4KP is $1,250, no one else offers a complete kit for that price.
I only wish that AtGames had bumped up the playfield size to 40" with a 32" backglass and 15" full DMD - like a full-size cabinet kit. Sell that with the AtGames / RockChip motherboard for $1,250-$1,500 and that could almost corner the entire market.
That said, if I catch a good sale, I am seriously tempted by this!
This thing looks great. The design of the machine is really well done. Looks like an arcade 1up machine.
Sold already! Take my money!
Wow! Can’t wait. Looks awesome.
Really great. Thank you. Now, what to do with my old table once the new ones are available?
They still haven’t learned from all the feedback of the first unit. DITCH THE MARQUEE! That was the first thing I spent time doing a mod for when I got in the first release waves 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
That's cool.
Nice can’t wait!
Congrats ATR!!!
If they remove that title marquee, they can have a 10-12" DMD. The 8" is way too small. They don't have to go full 15" DMD (it would be great to go Stern size though), and there are hundreds of beautiful 1080p fulldmds for PC pinball that really need a nice large beautiful DMD display to fully appreciate. There's nothing like them. But at least give us a few more inches! The 8" may look OK with built-in native titles, which is all they likely care about but it would look so much better with just a few more inches but probably too late now to source.
As usual, one step forward, two steps back. They had the wherewithal to increase the size of the Backglass, but in doing so, made the already small 8" DMD look tiny by comparison. I'll stick to my original ALP with my additional 15" LCD for OTG. Having a matched set of Backglass and FullDMD displays is something I won't downgrade from.
@@Tamarocker88I am totally with you!
Awesome
I'm excited to see a prototype of the 4k version. I really hope atgames will let their customers trade in the ALP for the newer version 🤞.
The legends decals are such an eye sore. Who at ATgames think it looks good.
So excited for this thing to release.
Playing all those old games. Hopefully they are ported so we have back glass and dmd working for the tatio and dr suess titles
great work , i like it a lot and cant wait for more infos ;)
Thank you more to come!
Otherwise stoked. I really want to see gameplay from the zen tables !
Same here! Hoping I'll be able to do that before they start shipping, but don't know at this point.
Just wish these were available in Australia even the og one would have been nice
Great video. Thank you for all the details and the work put into this. Looks awesome other than that 8 inch display which i wished was a little larger. Also hoping that I can utilize the ability to physically nudge / tilt the machine when playing over OTG. Please cover that if you can.
Thank you, if I can I will cover it!
M,an why does have to looks so good already? I want to mot like it so that I will paly my old one with all my upgrades . but man this thing looks GOOD!
Great Video 👏🏽👏🏽
Glad you liked it!!
Damn now I want this! I wonder what the price point is going to be? Can I use the sauce and the control panel that I am using on my current ALP on the new 4k ALP?
Pricing is TBD, but you'll find other answers here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
NICE!!!
Love everything about this except the marquee. Not sure if I would upgrade yet. Very curious about refresh rate and lag with OTG. Thanks for all the work on this!
Thank you for your feedback, yep those two have come up a number of times. We'll explore OTG in a later episode. I appreciate your kind support!
If it is under $1000, I'm interested. If not, I'll wait for the HD version to be under $500 again, then spend that extra money to mod it.
Any word on when we can pre-order? Thanks for the videos! Very excited for this machine!
No word as of yet, very welcome and thanks for watching!
I expect every single person who owns an original ALP HD will sell it to buy this. THIS is a real good virtual pin. Honestly, nobody even needs to mess with building your own. Just buy this an mod it.
What would be a fair price to sell the ALP HD for?
It's a beauty!!
That's a bit of an excessive prediction, no? There's plenty of factors that would lead people to be uninterested. The price point will be key for many. How AtGames chooses to handle access to the new 4K versions of tables will be another critical point. If they tell customers who already own the HD packs that they have to repurchase the same tables because "it's a new 4K version", those customers are not going to be happy about paying twice to play the same tables. This would turn away most of the existing customers who specifically play the built in games. For someone like me who exclusively plays OTG, I'm not interested in the new 4KP based on what we've seen so far. The DMD screen is half the size of the FullDMD screen I'm already running now. A screen that only cost me $80, btw. The 4K resolution of the playfield screen would be nice to have, but I could have already replaced the screen myself if I really wanted to. I'm not seeing enough net positives so far to justify investing over $1k on the new 4KP, even if I sold off my current ALP (I think $1k is a conservative enough price for us to agree it's a safe assumption).
Not necessarily. What the price is can make a difference on if people decide to sell current one. Also. On a 32 inch screen 4k may not be a big enough difference for people to want to buy the new one. And since it seems like OLED and 120hz is off the table, as a whole the difference could be considered marginal.
@@TheForsaken30 Yeah, even for most people who buy into 4K for the sake of 4K, it's a relatively small improvement all things concerned. What most people fail to consider is that 4K content requires significantly more robust hardware to run at the same frame rates as 1080P (let alone at 120Hz), so I'm expecting built-in tables to struggle (despite the beefier processing power of the new chip). In the likely case it's neither OLED or 120Hz, it's going to be a deal breaker for majority of the hardcore community who use these things for OTG. The investment in the new hardware relative to the benefit will be to the point of diminishing returns. Hell, for a measly $80 you can buy your own 15" Full HD LCD screen for OTG and have identical sized Backglass and FullDMD. Far more enjoyable than using a giant 24" Backglass with a tiny 8" DMD.
We own seven real pinball machines. No replacement for the real thing, but I do totally love video pinball as well
Jon, your videos are awesome.
Tell them to ditch the marquee permanently - I don't understand why this company doesn't understand that looks matter. They couldn't make uglier stuff if they tried.
Look forward to your next video and thanks for all your contributions to the community.
Thank you Charley! I'm sure they'll soon be seeing the comments here. All feedback will be helpful and I appreciate your kind feedback!
Perhaps that area could be re-utilized by modders as a TOPPER display for PC/OTG pinball.. Might look cool integrated and not on top of the whole cab as many do...
I agree. They need to ditch the Marquee. Or make it removable to add something of your own choice or a retro look. Great video Jon!!!
yea i agree, arcade cabinets had Marquee's, pinball cabinets did not so why add? now if this is swappable for a bitlcd then im sold :)
The marquee is not needed on a pinball. Great video
I appreciate your input, thank you for watching PapaBrad!
Ditch the at games legends marquee. Give us bigger DMD. Will they have a push button for launch also ?
Awesome video, When can we expect part 2 to release?
As soon as I can get 'er done! I'll keep everyone posted on the progress here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Current_Status
Appreciate you!
Day 1 buy :D
Hi, for me two things are crucial, The lag of the usb controller when connecting to a PC and is the Tilt sensor usable on the PC ? (I have the legends HD pinball with a PC with pinup popper and those points are not the best at the moment.)
Once we get to that part in the series, I'll cover what I can.
It only makes sense for Atgames to get into the upgrade market. They are losing money to other companies with the bigger back boxes and hardware to upgrade your Playfield. My only question/hope is that running OTG /popper,vpx will be ok with a 60hz screen. If it will lag. I'm waiting for this review before I spend another $1,000 upgrading my play field and back box if this thing turns out to fill all those wishes I have then I'll just sell my original legends pinball and purchase this. I'm guessing $1600. Can't wait.
Just build your own rig from a kit and save the headache. You'll be much happier in the long run lol Trust me.
One more thing . Please get the Bally licence 😊
That's not in the scope of this series 😀
Nice! How responsive do you find the playfield monitor to be?
If you're talking about OTG, please see Part 3 where it's covered in detail. If you're talking about the 14 stock tables, they play great (no noticeable lag/latency). The Addams Family has some latency and issues that are being worked on and will cover that in a later video, once things have improved.
So like with the war kit so I still need to,get the deluxe haptics pack ?
There is an optional SSF kit that is up for pre-order. That kit will provide 4 additional speakers and one bass shaker. If that's something you're interested in. I've not tried that yet, but will be seeing it in a few days.
I would have preferred a 40" playfield, do you know the public price?
I don't, see #5 here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A if things change
Thanks for the review. Only two improvements need to be made. The DMD screen needs to be a 10" display, and the USBs need to be facing the player. But, that's an easy hack. Just run USB extensions to cutouts in the front panel of the backbox. Other than that, I love the design, and wouldn't mine owning it, if I could afford it. I'm guessing it'll retail for around 2K$, or more. Very impressed with the properly scaled up backbox. Finally! They "get" it. LOL :)
damn..this thing looks fucking sweet..i might actually buy it!
I wonder if connecting a PC to it, you can have the same issues with having to use a short USB cable, etc. Meaning any cable issues…?
Don't know at this point. I'm awaiting a new firmware update to be able to test OTG. Should get it later this week though.
Can you show us how fast the boot time is and how fast you can get into a game in part 2?
I'll see what I can do!
I have the regular ALP.. how much is this going to cost? Don't get me wrong.. I'm happy with my ALP but I'm wondering
There has been no official word on price. Once this information is available, it will be updated here (Question #5): wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
Release date and price guesses when we can order ?
How are viewing angles for gameplay ?
Did you try your own pc ?
There has been no official word on price or release date. Once this information is available, it will be updated here (Question #5): wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A . No issues here with viewing angles. I have not tried my own PC as of yet, awaiting updated CE-4K on that one.
Would be nice if there is an option without mainboard for people that want to only run their own PC with it.
Interesting idea, I think you'd miss out on a lot with that type of option. There are many excellent and exclusive tables available for the ALP HD/4K (TAITO, Natural History, Dr. Seuss, with more coming). Of course, you always have the option to use OTG, if you prefer. I appreciate your feedback!
It would be great if the new UI was applicable to the OG V Pin and ALU
Appreciate your feedback, the new UI would certainly be welcomed on the og machines as well.
How long do we have to wait for Part 2?? What are you doing?????
lol, I'm working on it :) Getting close!
1st draft of Part 2 is done. Likely releasing, Sat. morning. Updated the status on the evt page. My apology for the delay, this is a hobby not my job.
Is head tracking to subtly change the view of the playfield a thing in virtual pinball? I feel like it would be a good way to achieve the illusion of depth without needing 3D glasses or a parallax barrier (like the 3DS used).
Please see #25 here : wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
There are several PC-based pinball platforms that support Kinect (Future Pinball, Visual Pinball and Arcooda). Honestly, it's more of a novelty, as your head is pretty stationary most of the time playing a game. Though, on some games that have upper flippers, it's helpful to be able to move a little to the side to get a better angle on them.
Price ?? I just bought the Hd version a month ago 😂
There has been no official word on price. Once this information is available, it will be updated here (Question #5): wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
Have the 15 different CE's been leaked, or announced yet?
Not all, just these: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Table_Editions
Are they planning on adding a Magna Save button or increasing the size of the DMD?
I've not heard anything regarding either of these at this point.
Is it possible to make these digital pinball machines work with coins?
I know some people they dont like the added complexity, but something about the process of actually inputting a coin and if you lose having to pony up another one just brings back memories
I have been thinking about getting a digital pinball machine but I would really like to know if there was a way to make it have to accept coind to play?
... not sure, or they may have in their labs already. As I learn more, I'll definitely share it.
Thanks for the insight John - do you happen to know if ALP´s 4K will have an internal or external power supply ? Cheers
The power supply is internal.
@@WagnersTechTalk thanks John aprox how may watts ? Cheers and tx again
Very welcome, I've asked AtGames. I don't see any external indications on the power supply to answer your question.
Checked with AtGames, this information isn't available to me at this time. I'll be sure to add it to the guide page when I find out: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/
@@WagnersTechTalk tx john
What I'm most curious about... and in my opinion it's the most important thing to fix compared to the HD version.... is if OTG connected to a PC no longer has the large amount of delay / lag like the HD version did. Glad to see they have been listening to feedback on many things though.
Yep I’m exactly wondering that too. There was so much delay on the HD that it’s just been a paperweight. Well actually I put some towels over it and my cats sleep on it all the time. Levi Astro sleeps on the back box, Kai Jin sleeps on the playfield.
What kind of computer are you using? I feel you need an i7 to run all those games with the video on the backglass.
@@8-bit_Informer 13600k rtx 3080 32gigs ram , nvme 2tb drive. It has something to do with the OTG it adds lag to it. You can get used to it if that’s the only thing you play on. It’s very noticeable compared to running straight to a monitor without the OTG.
idk what you're talking about, OTG doesn't have a significant amount of lag unless the connected PC is underpowered, hasn't been optimized, or you needlessly integrate JoyToKey. By configuring controls directly within PinUpPopper and VPX and configuring low-latency mode in the Nvidia control panel, you'll eliminate majority of input lag. Overwhelming sources of delay and lag are on the PC itself and have to do with optimizing the OS and applications.
@@Tamarocker88 Well my regular, full-size 42 inch 4k OLED virtual pinball machine with 4 screens runs perfectly fine on the same PC. Vr works fine too I’m not the only one that says there is lag/delay using OTG. I’ve never ever use joy to key in my life. I am always run ultra low latency mode in the Nvidia settings and controls configured through pinup popper.
If they go with OLED display that would be epic.
I honestly dont know how AtGames can top this 4k version once it releases to the public
If it’s a 60hz screen they could upgrade it to 120hz. It’s a nice upgrade for vpin
I'm still waiting for the email on the ALP upgrade board that I pre-ordered with $50 deposit. Haven't seen anything yet, are they too busy with 4k because it was supposed to be by 2 quarter 23, we are now going into 4th and no info except for 4k stuff.
Check your spam folder, you should have received an e-mail. If not, reach out to AtGames here: www.atgames.net/arcades/contact
Oh yes the artwork is spot on, well most of it anyway. I love Space Invaders, Rainbow Islands and Bubble Bobble, I think that is Revenge of Doh as well. The other ones I have no clue about. However, I hope they keep that artwork, shame about the colour of legs, I would have preferred silver or a chrome. However, I am in love so far.
One thing I don't like is the art work, but it's the case with all AtGames products...
Otherwise, it looks like a pretty nice improvement.
Don't get too concerned about the artwork, I have a feeling there will be more options. Nothing confirmed, just a feeling.
Did you get an upgrade board too?
No, the 4KP only.
Awesome you get to check it out. Not so awesome to try and repackage it! Ha. Always seems impossible.
I definitely dread that part! I'm the world's worst at packing.
@WagnersTechTalk I myself have just eaten a loss before cause I couldn't repackage a return. I played right into their hand! Good luck. Very much looking forward to the 2nd part
I’ll go with code name Phoebe.
Will reveal once we get closer to the end of this series.
What's the refresh rate of the 4k playfield?
It's 60hz, added it here this morning after getting confirmation: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/#Q_A
thanks for the reply mate ill be impressed if the hardware can push 4k 60
@@WagnersTechTalk
The real question is can it compete with a homemade machine with tilt/bum sensors and transducers etc
Further...
My answer to your Quiz for the SSF codeword is...
WOPR !
What do I win Jon?
😜
Nice guess! Love that movie
@@WagnersTechTalk Me too!
And Welp.. C'mon...
You began the reveal with the iconic "Shall We Play A Game" clip!
Hahaha!
Its either that or Joshua or Falken !
@@WagnersTechTalk Hahaha...
Look, its either that or..
Joshua...
Or..
Falken!!
But THATS IT!
😜
LOL, see Q&A #23
@@WagnersTechTalk LOL.. you EDITED that after the fact!.. I have screenshots of its original state.
Hahahaha 😜