The Beholder could also appear in S5 as a part of the hive mind’s leadership and possibly above or below the Mind Flayer in ranking. The Beholder could be the upside down’s core for all we know.
With the wrinkle in time books being published in the 60s-80s, that could be the piece of zeitgeist the kids use to explain / name the phenomena they experience.
None of the characters in show are the actual pop culture or dnd things but rather a mechanism for the kids to explain them. That’s something a lot of viewers seem to forget. The mind flayer doesn’t exist. Vecna doesn’t exist. There is only Henry/One and the hive mind he created from the creatures of the upside down.
He didn’t create the hive mind. He merely invaded it. He keeps the mind flayer in line similar to what Lord Beckett does with Davy Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean.
@ it was there. He merely connected to the Flayer which was connected to the entire dimension also the spin off materials the first shadow and stranger things vr further prove it and the duffers say they are both canon. So you’re wrong.
@ you cannot have headcanon with canon that the duffers confirm. Vecna didn’t create the Upside down hive mind. He even meets the Flayer in stranger things vr in a shadow Brenner form and it and Henry become the co leaders of the dimension. The Flayer was the original ruler, Henry merely created its spider form. But it was always the hive mind.
Now the creatures that took out Eddie are sentinels. They keep watch. Over what though? They hover over Vecna’s house. They seem to sense when a vine has been disturbed. Remember they showed up at “watergate” after Steve was dragged through by a vine; but when the gang used Eddie’s trailer to enter the Upside Down they had to be summoned by Eddie’s guitar 🎸. So they don’t sense when a gate is breached. They do sense loud noises? So noise and vine disturbances summon them. Avoid either and, like blind bats, they don’t disturb you. I think Camazotz is where the vines come from. I think the bat creatures and the vines have a relationship. They both come from the same place. Are the bats and vines Henry’s servants? No, I think the mind flayer controls both. We know where Henry/Vecna hangs out, but where is the nest of the mind flayer in the Upside Down? Camazotz refers to the mind flayer’s lair. Vecna is just a pitiful thrall. What sustenance he survives on is provided by the mind flayer. Without him Henry would be trapped in the Upside Down and eventually die, as would all creatures. Could Henry enter our world physically, like the demogorgon and the demodogs? No. Only if he inhabited some kind of chemically altered Earth form. Why though? Why can the demogorgon go but not the mind flayer? Is it because some demogorgons and demodogs were hatched 🐣 in humans who were in the upside down? Is that what gave them the ability to travel freely to Earth. How many human beings would the mind flayer have to infest on for him to hatch a body able to travel to Earth? Can Vecna hatch such a body, or does he need the mind flayer to hatch one for him?
Hey that's true, Henry should be dying or have been died for a long ago on Upside Down but he isn't. They didn't specifically explained this on show yet but we can assume it with theories regarding his relationship with MF
@ Yes, the Upside Down is not just a storehouse of psychic energy. Physical forms can live there but are sustained by the matter there, which is different from Earth matter. People from Earth can end up there, like Henry, Will, Barb, and others; but they can’t eat or drink that matter, can they? They can breathe the air, but it…does something to them. Will stayed there for how long? He was very weak. Was it cold there?
The Beholder could also appear in S5 as a part of the hive mind’s leadership and possibly above or below the Mind Flayer in ranking. The Beholder could be the upside down’s core for all we know.
Bro started in Monsterverse and now traveling to Stranger Things
Shut up
Glad he’s getting work
2:18 why does bro look like batman
With the wrinkle in time books being published in the 60s-80s, that could be the piece of zeitgeist the kids use to explain / name the phenomena they experience.
That was Nancy's visions of camazotz she said in season 4 'there was giant creature with gaping mouth that's what she saw in the visions of camazotz
None of the characters in show are the actual pop culture or dnd things but rather a mechanism for the kids to explain them. That’s something a lot of viewers seem to forget. The mind flayer doesn’t exist. Vecna doesn’t exist. There is only Henry/One and the hive mind he created from the creatures of the upside down.
He didn’t create the hive mind. He merely invaded it. He keeps the mind flayer in line similar to what Lord Beckett does with Davy Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean.
@ there was no hive mind before he went there. It clearly showed that.
@ it was there. He merely connected to the Flayer which was connected to the entire dimension also the spin off materials the first shadow and stranger things vr further prove it and the duffers say they are both canon. So you’re wrong.
@@ParkerCS2 the spores were there but he shaped them. Nothing there was a part of it. Keep thinking your head canon is right though.
@ you cannot have headcanon with canon that the duffers confirm. Vecna didn’t create the Upside down hive mind. He even meets the Flayer in stranger things vr in a shadow Brenner form and it and Henry become the co leaders of the dimension. The Flayer was the original ruler, Henry merely created its spider form. But it was always the hive mind.
Bro got transported to the Stranger Things Universe lol
Now the creatures that took out Eddie are sentinels. They keep watch. Over what though?
They hover over Vecna’s house. They seem to sense when a vine has been disturbed. Remember they showed up at “watergate” after Steve was dragged through by a vine; but when the gang used Eddie’s trailer to enter the Upside Down they had to be summoned by Eddie’s guitar 🎸. So they don’t sense when a gate is breached. They do sense loud noises?
So noise and vine disturbances summon them. Avoid either and, like blind bats, they don’t disturb you.
I think Camazotz is where the vines come from. I think the bat creatures and the vines have a relationship. They both come from the same place. Are the bats and vines Henry’s servants? No, I think the mind flayer controls both.
We know where Henry/Vecna hangs out, but where is the nest of the mind flayer in the Upside Down? Camazotz refers to the mind flayer’s lair.
Vecna is just a pitiful thrall. What sustenance he survives on is provided by the mind flayer. Without him Henry would be trapped in the Upside Down and eventually die, as would all creatures.
Could Henry enter our world physically, like the demogorgon and the demodogs? No. Only if he inhabited some kind of chemically altered Earth form. Why though? Why can the demogorgon go but not the mind flayer? Is it because some demogorgons and demodogs were hatched 🐣 in humans who were in the upside down? Is that what gave them the ability to travel freely to Earth. How many human beings would the mind flayer have to infest on for him to hatch a body able to travel to Earth? Can Vecna hatch such a body, or does he need the mind flayer to hatch one for him?
Hey that's true, Henry should be dying or have been died for a long ago on Upside Down but he isn't. They didn't specifically explained this on show yet but we can assume it with theories regarding his relationship with MF
@ Yes, the Upside Down is not just a storehouse of psychic energy. Physical forms can live there but are sustained by the matter there, which is different from Earth matter. People from Earth can end up there, like Henry, Will, Barb, and others; but they can’t eat or drink that matter, can they? They can breathe the air, but it…does something to them. Will stayed there for how long? He was very weak. Was it cold there?
The bite of 87
There's actually 9 episodes because the last episode is called the fall of 1987
Release date of May 2025
There are a bunch of those bat things around Vechna's lair.
This will be their leader.
I thought about Monsterverse camatzots, somebody call kong
lol
Great to see millie's new actions
shout out smite, already knew who Camazotz was
camazotz is in mexico
Eddie is probably coming back as a monster
Same
Either that or this title is a red herring. I would like to see Eddie come back as a monster since he’s the first we’ve seen “die” in the Upside Down.
and hes going to be the "master of puppets' and control the bat creatures?!?
still holding out for eddie to be a warlord of the upsidedown and still alive.
FR I know they said he won't return but what if, just what if, they are only just saying that since it would be a giant reveal.
Does anyone has Legendary Kong's phone number?
“How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, Old Man!?”
Kas or Camatzots better be Eddie. Characters to good for one season.