I'm disappointed that the starter decks didn't get a full symmetrical cycle. Was really expecting a green heroism leader v blue villainy, to finish the cycle off, and then do other products. Cool archetypes either way!
I think it would work better with C3 PO, the main reason why You’re my only hope is good with yoda is because you get to chose among the cards in your hand which one goes back on top, Which means you can actually make it pretty consistent , with han3 it's a very different story, it's purely opportunity base which is unlikely to be viable competitively.
I can see some pretty crazy combinations with the Boba Leader, even with cards that already exist, P-38 has been a very popular card in set 3, and there is also any when defeated deal damage trigger which are cheap, then every burn card, give in to your anger is an unplayed card that now deals 2 damage(1 indirect) for 1 and functionally gives a unit sentinel and controls an opponents turn. Then getting a mini OB on deploy is quite interesting as well.
Ok two important things to keep in mind in regards to evaluating the playability of Boba's ability: - As explained in the video an indirect damage is not the same as an extra damage, not even close. - You need to compare with what currently exist, Jango fett also give you value for dealing damage to things, excepted that exhasuting an enemy unit is FAR more impactful that dealing an indirect damage.
I think that in early game Jango's ability is fairly easy to play around, if you have initiative and attempt to tap down their unit by playing yours you are either behind or you risk trading the ability to attack with your unit to tap theirs. Late game playing a 3 cost unit to tap down their 7-9 cost unit is still bad value because it doesn't kill their unit or stop them from playing another. I think you can pretty surely add 4-6 extra damage per game from the leader ability, plus an extra 4 from the flip, getting one attack off is minimum 7 likely damage. Looking at 12 damage hitting the board from your leader (4+4+4) is a quite good proposition even if 4 of it is sub optimal, he cleans that up when he deploys. I was initially slightly over hyped because I missed that he must exhaust. I still think this ability to put extra damage out is quite powerful.
That’s what everyone said when set 2 dropped too, but it hasn’t played out. In certain matchups it’s amazing but unit removal is always more useful when you can remove cards AND their upgrades all at once.
@@ReallyBigBadAndy76so defeat an upgrade is going to be removal in this set. Cards like confiscate, aggression, disabling fang fighter defeat upgrades which defeats the leaders that have been shown for this set. For set 2 it was cause people thought bounties would be better than they are
@matthewr1019 It will depends on how much play those pilot cards , but we know at least that chewbacca will be. @ReallyBigBadAndy76 Upgrade removal definitely became more popular in set 2 that's the main reason why people stopped playing traiterous (despite this card still being very good).
Sweet analysis! The pilot keyword on Chewie says play as an upgrade, does that mean you can return chewie to your hand if you play something that lets you grab an upgrade from you discard? Inversely, can you play Home1 and bring Chewie as a pilot on Home1? Maybe some crazy shinangins? 🤷🏻♂️
It’s probably a unit that CAN be played as an upgrade, meeting the cost. I doubt we can play it’s Piloting cost while using U-Wing Reinforcement for example, or take it back in hand with the Razor Crest from the discard pile since it will be treated as a unit.
Indirect damage (as well as piloting) is a mechanic taken directly from Star wars destiny. In destiny even if the opponent still chooses, it is a very strong mechanic for the way the game works. Here, given that you have always the option to choose base as well as any unit with potentially a lot of health, either you deal insane amounts of indirect damage or I don't see it being too impactful
I totally agree with chewy being meta! Saw it and instantly knew big boon for green hero, I can see this in a Sabine deck at the top end and will make it better into a control match up
Might be a bit slow for Sabine but yeah the card is amazing. Nice to finally get some good green/white card, green/white was pretty bad in both set 2 and 3.
@@Thorrk_THT turn two chewie on an A-Wing.. a 4-6 ship with raid 2 that cant be taken out by removal and is out of reach of probably any of your opponents current space units, unless they also have a pilot on a ship... That's not slow
With No Disintegrations, I’d love to see a BT-1 red villain leader with a Bossk unit type ability that read something “When you play an event: You may exhaust this unit. If you do, you may deal 1 damage to a unit”. Would make “No Disintegrations” a lot stronger and would be a very thematic combo for BT-1. 😆 Presumably Han’s leader ability makes him another good candidate for “You’re my only hope”? Great video (as always). This set already looks a lot of fun.
Thanks man The problem is if a card needs an other non-leader card to work needs to be VERY good when combined to make up for being a lot more situational, so I doubt your suggestion would be enough (but would be fun for sure) I think it would work better with C3 PO, the main reason why You’re my only hope is good with yoda is because you get to chose among the cards in your hand which one goes back on top, Which means you can actually make it pretty consistent , with han3 it's a very different story, it's purely opportunity base which is unlikely to be viable competitively.
@ ha ha, yeah good point about the BT-1 leader suggestion. Got excited thinking about the one interaction without any consideration for the other 47 cards in the deck 😆
on the point of the new millenium falcon heroism has republic arc 3/4 with command. Generic heroism with some upside is obviously better than that though
No disintegration has some use for Bossk as well as Vader ... and you might use it on your own grit unit to create a massive attack. I think it is a wider niche than you're thinking.
I talked about the Vador use in the video and I just think removal that require 2 actions to do the job are weak. (same argument can be applied for bossk). The use on your own grit is cute but VERY situational.
To further, number theory says an even number is a number you can start with nothing then add to the number. Odd is 2x+1 meaning if you can't start with 0 and add any amount of 2 to get to the number it's odd
@ I agree. I think they will say the pilot comes in as an upgrade. But that would give a ton of flexibility to U-Wing if they allow it. Love the channel & the Videos.
@@Zombane it's strong if it happens but there are plenty of counters ,your opponent has a window to simply kill firespray before leader gets deployed and leader upgrade gets countered by upgrades removal.
Just from what I’ve heard… there is a chance things like confiscate won’t affect pilots and the like. (Referencing the KTOD video) which would mean pilots have a higher chance of being meta
It has been confirmed by the designers on X (Tyler Parrot) that upgrade removal will work on upgrade leaders (or any pilot for that matter). I think even with that in mind, I think pilot leaders have a chance to see competitive play, but I don't think there will be "top tier" because there are too easy to counter if they become too prevalent.
@@williamdegrey Wait and see as in "they're gonna be viable even though that is the case", not as in "actually they won't be defeated by upgrade hate".
So, from the title of the video, you're asserting that FFG hasn't made a single good card up until this point. Why are you playing the game then? Everything so far has been bad? Wow
@@snipsnapification no I assume people have a little bit of common sense and understand that I am referring to set 3 which was particularly weak. So in that sense we haven't got a significant injection of good cards in a long time.
@Thorrk_THT calling Set 3 weak is misleading. Yeah, it doesn't have as many L rarity bombs, the power ceiling may be a bit lower, but with Set 3 leaders dominating competitive play, and many commons/uncommons becoming essential components of many of the top tier decks, describing the power level overall as "particularly weak" just sounds ignorant.
@@Trance2400 Well I completly disagree, I think set 3 is extremely weak and all the top player I train with (and there are a lot) agree with me so, we're all ignorant then? If you look at the proportion of set 3 cards in all competitive deck it's going to be around 12% which is less than half of what it should be if all 3 sets were about equal in powerlevel. You also need to take into account that people are still a bit biased as they want to try the new stuff, so you can even expect this number to go down overtime as we aim toward the PQ season. About the leader the set only brought 2 leaders that have a significant impact on the meta (2.5 if you count yoda), which is once again less than what it should be if all 3 sets were about equal in powerlevel. But if you take a closer look you will realize that even for those 2 leaders there is some caveat to that: I can guarantie you that Jango would not see any significant play if Boba1 was still legal, Anakin is very popular atm (new leader , iconic character) but he is still neck and neck with other leaders like Rey in that specific slot, if he didn't exist Rey red would simply replace him and that would not make a big difference in the meta landscape. So in other word the Boba1 ban had more impact on the meta than set 3. If Boba1 was still legal the meta would be the exact same as set 2 with a few new cards sprinkled here and there.
@@Thorrk_THT Anakin, Jango, Yoda, Quinlin, Maul, Asajj, Rex, new Palp, 52.26% of the OPE Birmingham was Set 3 leaders. You're right, the representation of Set 3 cards was low, but so was the Set 2 representation. What they have in common is that they are overshadowed by Set 1, which still represents 60.3% of the cards played in the top 100 decks. Again, yes, it comes across ignorant to claim that Set 3 is weak, rather than seeing that Set 1 established too high of a power standard to maintain long term. Which is probably why we're seeing information about rotation coming, we'll see how things are once Set 1 isn't in premier.
Completely agree. As an ancient x-wing player, this set is the ONE I'm excpecting the most. SPPAAAACCCEEE SSSHHHIIIIPPPPSSS !
Voltron Falcon getting bamboozled will feel extremely satisfying.
I predict blue will get a 4/5 cost removal. Defeat a space/vehicle unit
I'm disappointed that the starter decks didn't get a full symmetrical cycle. Was really expecting a green heroism leader v blue villainy, to finish the cycle off, and then do other products. Cool archetypes either way!
We shouldn’t forget the new Han makes “Your my only hope” much more consistent.
I think it would work better with C3 PO, the main reason why You’re my only hope is good with yoda is because you get to chose among the cards in your hand which one goes back on top, Which means you can actually make it pretty consistent , with han3 it's a very different story, it's purely opportunity base which is unlikely to be viable competitively.
@ Great Point
@@Thorrk_THT And Foresight. I wouldn't underestimate the ability to look at the top card of your deck as a free action.
I can see some pretty crazy combinations with the Boba Leader, even with cards that already exist, P-38 has been a very popular card in set 3, and there is also any when defeated deal damage trigger which are cheap, then every burn card, give in to your anger is an unplayed card that now deals 2 damage(1 indirect) for 1 and functionally gives a unit sentinel and controls an opponents turn. Then getting a mini OB on deploy is quite interesting as well.
Ok two important things to keep in mind in regards to evaluating the playability of Boba's ability:
- As explained in the video an indirect damage is not the same as an extra damage, not even close.
- You need to compare with what currently exist, Jango fett also give you value for dealing damage to things, excepted that exhasuting an enemy unit is FAR more impactful that dealing an indirect damage.
I think that in early game Jango's ability is fairly easy to play around, if you have initiative and attempt to tap down their unit by playing yours you are either behind or you risk trading the ability to attack with your unit to tap theirs. Late game playing a 3 cost unit to tap down their 7-9 cost unit is still bad value because it doesn't kill their unit or stop them from playing another.
I think you can pretty surely add 4-6 extra damage per game from the leader ability, plus an extra 4 from the flip, getting one attack off is minimum 7 likely damage. Looking at 12 damage hitting the board from your leader (4+4+4) is a quite good proposition even if 4 of it is sub optimal, he cleans that up when he deploys.
I was initially slightly over hyped because I missed that he must exhaust. I still think this ability to put extra damage out is quite powerful.
Defeat an upgrade becomes top tier
That’s what everyone said when set 2 dropped too, but it hasn’t played out. In certain matchups it’s amazing but unit removal is always more useful when you can remove cards AND their upgrades all at once.
@@ReallyBigBadAndy76so defeat an upgrade is going to be removal in this set. Cards like confiscate, aggression, disabling fang fighter defeat upgrades which defeats the leaders that have been shown for this set. For set 2 it was cause people thought bounties would be better than they are
@matthewr1019 It will depends on how much play those pilot cards , but we know at least that chewbacca will be.
@ReallyBigBadAndy76 Upgrade removal definitely became more popular in set 2 that's the main reason why people stopped playing traiterous (despite this card still being very good).
Sweet analysis! The pilot keyword on Chewie says play as an upgrade, does that mean you can return chewie to your hand if you play something that lets you grab an upgrade from you discard? Inversely, can you play Home1 and bring Chewie as a pilot on Home1? Maybe some crazy shinangins? 🤷🏻♂️
It’s probably a unit that CAN be played as an upgrade, meeting the cost. I doubt we can play it’s Piloting cost while using U-Wing Reinforcement for example, or take it back in hand with the Razor Crest from the discard pile since it will be treated as a unit.
Chewy is going to be so difficult to deal with.
One thing is for sure, this is going to be a fun set for limited!
Indirect damage (as well as piloting) is a mechanic taken directly from Star wars destiny. In destiny even if the opponent still chooses, it is a very strong mechanic for the way the game works. Here, given that you have always the option to choose base as well as any unit with potentially a lot of health, either you deal insane amounts of indirect damage or I don't see it being too impactful
100 % agree, if indirect damage ever becomes competitive it will be because a deck is capable of dealing a crictical mass of indirect damage.
I totally agree with chewy being meta! Saw it and instantly knew big boon for green hero, I can see this in a Sabine deck at the top end and will make it better into a control match up
Might be a bit slow for Sabine but yeah the card is amazing.
Nice to finally get some good green/white card, green/white was pretty bad in both set 2 and 3.
@@Thorrk_THT turn two chewie on an A-Wing.. a 4-6 ship with raid 2 that cant be taken out by removal and is out of reach of probably any of your opponents current space units, unless they also have a pilot on a ship... That's not slow
@@lukehicks1447 you're right that does sound pretty sweet. I was just hoping this would not benefit Sabine again 😭
With No Disintegrations, I’d love to see a BT-1 red villain leader with a Bossk unit type ability that read something “When you play an event: You may exhaust this unit. If you do, you may deal 1 damage to a unit”. Would make “No Disintegrations” a lot stronger and would be a very thematic combo for BT-1. 😆
Presumably Han’s leader ability makes him another good candidate for “You’re my only hope”?
Great video (as always). This set already looks a lot of fun.
Thanks man
The problem is if a card needs an other non-leader card to work needs to be VERY good when combined to make up for being a lot more situational, so I doubt your suggestion would be enough (but would be fun for sure)
I think it would work better with C3 PO, the main reason why You’re my only hope is good with yoda is because you get to chose among the cards in your hand which one goes back on top, Which means you can actually make it pretty consistent , with han3 it's a very different story, it's purely opportunity base which is unlikely to be viable competitively.
@ ha ha, yeah good point about the BT-1 leader suggestion. Got excited thinking about the one interaction without any consideration for the other 47 cards in the deck 😆
on the point of the new millenium falcon heroism has republic arc 3/4 with command. Generic heroism with some upside is obviously better than that though
Oh yeah forgot that one good point.
No disintegration has some use for Bossk as well as Vader ... and you might use it on your own grit unit to create a massive attack. I think it is a wider niche than you're thinking.
I talked about the Vador use in the video and I just think removal that require 2 actions to do the job are weak. (same argument can be applied for bossk).
The use on your own grit is cute but VERY situational.
...you also get a full 50 Card Deck and a Booster in the Spotlight Starters.
And a booster too? Interesting, I wonder how much they will cost.
Commission can search for transports.
More space!
0 is an even number
To further, number theory says an even number is a number you can start with nothing then add to the number. Odd is 2x+1 meaning if you can't start with 0 and add any amount of 2 to get to the number it's odd
Can you put a pilot on a ground vehicle?
yes you can
Think wedge leader on rogue squadron skirmisher...
Yes 0 is an even number
Can you play Chewbacca as a pilot with U-Wing Reinforcements?
I strongly doubt it but I am not sure.
@ I agree. I think they will say the pilot comes in as an upgrade. But that would give a ton of flexibility to U-Wing if they allow it. Love the channel & the Videos.
Boba deploying onto his ready Firespray is crazy. A 9/10 ready space leader. Do the designers have a fetish for Fett?
@@Zombane it's strong if it happens but there are plenty of counters ,your opponent has a window to simply kill firespray before leader gets deployed and leader upgrade gets countered by upgrades removal.
Just from what I’ve heard… there is a chance things like confiscate won’t affect pilots and the like. (Referencing the KTOD video) which would mean pilots have a higher chance of being meta
It has been confirmed by the designers on X (Tyler Parrot) that upgrade removal will work on upgrade leaders (or any pilot for that matter).
I think even with that in mind, I think pilot leaders have a chance to see competitive play, but I don't think there will be "top tier" because there are too easy to counter if they become too prevalent.
@@Thorrk_THT Yes, but Tyler also responded to someone who said it would be too easy to get rid of the pilots with "wait and see".
@@williamdegrey well that means there might be some cards that can protect your upgrades , but undeniably confiscate works on leader upgrade.
@@williamdegrey Wait and see as in "they're gonna be viable even though that is the case", not as in "actually they won't be defeated by upgrade hate".
:)
So, from the title of the video, you're asserting that FFG hasn't made a single good card up until this point. Why are you playing the game then? Everything so far has been bad? Wow
@@snipsnapification no I assume people have a little bit of common sense and understand that I am referring to set 3 which was particularly weak. So in that sense we haven't got a significant injection of good cards in a long time.
@Thorrk_THT calling Set 3 weak is misleading. Yeah, it doesn't have as many L rarity bombs, the power ceiling may be a bit lower, but with Set 3 leaders dominating competitive play, and many commons/uncommons becoming essential components of many of the top tier decks, describing the power level overall as "particularly weak" just sounds ignorant.
Regardless the number of competitively playable cards in that set is much lower
@@Trance2400 Well I completly disagree, I think set 3 is extremely weak and all the top player I train with (and there are a lot) agree with me so, we're all ignorant then?
If you look at the proportion of set 3 cards in all competitive deck it's going to be around 12% which is less than half of what it should be if all 3 sets were about equal in powerlevel. You also need to take into account that people are still a bit biased as they want to try the new stuff, so you can even expect this number to go down overtime as we aim toward the PQ season.
About the leader the set only brought 2 leaders that have a significant impact on the meta (2.5 if you count yoda), which is once again less than what it should be if all 3 sets were about equal in powerlevel. But if you take a closer look you will realize that even for those 2 leaders there is some caveat to that: I can guarantie you that Jango would not see any significant play if Boba1 was still legal, Anakin is very popular atm (new leader , iconic character) but he is still neck and neck with other leaders like Rey in that specific slot, if he didn't exist Rey red would simply replace him and that would not make a big difference in the meta landscape.
So in other word the Boba1 ban had more impact on the meta than set 3. If Boba1 was still legal the meta would be the exact same as set 2 with a few new cards sprinkled here and there.
@@Thorrk_THT Anakin, Jango, Yoda, Quinlin, Maul, Asajj, Rex, new Palp, 52.26% of the OPE Birmingham was Set 3 leaders. You're right, the representation of Set 3 cards was low, but so was the Set 2 representation. What they have in common is that they are overshadowed by Set 1, which still represents 60.3% of the cards played in the top 100 decks. Again, yes, it comes across ignorant to claim that Set 3 is weak, rather than seeing that Set 1 established too high of a power standard to maintain long term. Which is probably why we're seeing information about rotation coming, we'll see how things are once Set 1 isn't in premier.