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  • @RedSunFX
    @RedSunFX 7 ปีที่แล้ว +211

    The ending is so perfect.
    So this must be equal to one.
    And we are done.

  • @patrickpire5227
    @patrickpire5227 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Easy when it is so well explained. And it reveals how pure math can be.

  • @swarnimpandey413
    @swarnimpandey413 7 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I am currently watching this from the older playlist of calculus....he has finally bought a new pen...

    • @AuroraNora3
      @AuroraNora3 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      He did it like 3 years ago tho

  • @sophieandreae4834
    @sophieandreae4834 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Wow that ending left me feeling very good inside, a happy ending you could say!

  • @forklift1712
    @forklift1712 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Much better than the one in 2008. My only suggestion would be to deal with the absolute values on the front end by proving that
    lim(x -> 0-)(sin x)/x = lim(x -> 0+)(sin x)/x
    by noting that f(x)=sin x and g(x)=x are odd functions.

  • @applejacks268
    @applejacks268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That ending is perfect. Talk about going full circle

  • @Mathieew
    @Mathieew 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great lesson! My professor actually requires us to be able to prove that also the cosine function approaches 1 as theta approaches 0, with the definition of limits. Nevertheless, I liked this lesson more than what we've been doing in university. It often feels like lecturers are quite hard to follow in their reasoning. This made it all a tad less complicated!

    • @jimmyb998
      @jimmyb998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That's trivial: the cosine function is continuous at 0. Therefore, by definition, lim theta -> 0 cos theta = cos 0 = 1.

  • @joeydifranco0422
    @joeydifranco0422 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Love the abrupt ending. Gottem.

  • @johnwight6041
    @johnwight6041 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow this is beautiful. I love math!

  • @IntensePeppers
    @IntensePeppers 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Where did the right half of the pink triangle come from? The triangle that has sin theta as its left vertical leg. He just draws it out of nowhere 2:08

    • @nuklearboysymbiote
      @nuklearboysymbiote 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      he's just making a triangle with height sin(θ) and base 1

    • @AfsalPA
      @AfsalPA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That entire pink triangle is not right angle triangle ... So (1/2)BH is not applicable !!... Am I right?

    • @cruinneas5624
      @cruinneas5624 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AfsalPA 1/2(BH) works for all triangles

    • @shigababu8132
      @shigababu8132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cruinneas5624 Nope. It works only for right triangles. Heron's formula works for all kinds.

    • @cruinneas5624
      @cruinneas5624 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shigababu8132 can you show me some evidence to why 1/2 x base x height won’t work for any triangle?

  • @tomduke558
    @tomduke558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    came across this in Hugh Neil's Calculus book, and i see the author forget to take the last step of taking the reciprocals and inversing the direction of inequality operators... been pondering how to do it otherwise... and the end is the application of sandwich principle

  • @Scififan1234
    @Scififan1234 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is TH-cam censoring the word function? Whenever Sal says function the audio cuts out? 8:22

  • @HH-mm1ts
    @HH-mm1ts 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video!! Thanks!

  • @feelingzhakkaas
    @feelingzhakkaas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely wonderful

  • @ohthatpaul
    @ohthatpaul 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is a beautiful mathematical truth: as x (in radians) approaches zero, sine x is smaller than but becomes indistinguishable from x. At even at a value as large as 1*10^-5, x and sin x are indistinguishable on my 10-digit calculator. As x gets still smaller and still closer to zero, sin x gets even closer to x. Therefore, the limit of sin x / x^0.5 is x^0.5. (My calculus textbook problem 2.5-supp #25, p166, Howard Anton, Calculus: A New Horizon 6th Ed., incorrectly states on pA73 the answer to problem 2.5-supp #25, what is the limit of sin x / x^0.5 as x approaches zero from the right, is zero, but that's not true, as this proof demonstrates, the limit is not zero but the square root of x.

  • @orangeinfotainment620
    @orangeinfotainment620 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you sm!

  • @jsgames6843
    @jsgames6843 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @tmmyvrctt11
    @tmmyvrctt11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pretty simple and good

  • @ahmetyenicay6649
    @ahmetyenicay6649 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    math is amazing thank you

  • @kentthedev
    @kentthedev 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much..

  • @morjithmattapalli9531
    @morjithmattapalli9531 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm having a doubt at 3:22 how can you cancel the both pies where the one in the denominator is 360 degrees where the pie in numerator is a constant which equals to 3.14??Someone please clarify my doubt

    • @saajidchowdhury9125
      @saajidchowdhury9125 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Theta is measured in radians. 2pi radians = 360 degrees. pi radians = 180 degrees.
      Indeed, pi radians = 3.14 radians. 2pi radians = 6.28 radians.

    • @BLACKED.commercial
      @BLACKED.commercial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The area of a circle is given by the formula
      πr²
      π was used for the entire circle's area. So if you only want the area of a sector of the circle it is only a portion of the entire area of the circle.
      To find the ratio of the sector to the entire circle, divide the radian measure of the sector by 2π. That is Θ/2π. Then multiply that by the area of the circle (Θ/2π)πr² = (Θ/2)r².
      For example, if you only want a semicircle's area, a semicircle has a radian measure of π. That is π/2π = 1/2 of the entire circle. And that is 1/2 of the circle's area or (1/2)πr² = (π/2)r².

    • @stoppls1709
      @stoppls1709 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks dude!!

  • @gokharol
    @gokharol 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful! Bravo :)

  • @arekkrolak6320
    @arekkrolak6320 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    actually at 5:25 you would have to proove that abs(sin/cos) = abs(sin)/abs(cos)

    • @RedSunFX
      @RedSunFX 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why would you need to prove that? In my opinion it's fairly obvious
      abs(sin(x)/cos(x)) will always be positive, no matter what the signs of sin(x) and cos(x) are. And in abs(sin(x))/abs(cos(x)) we divide two terms with a positive sign, so the result will also be positive.

    • @arekkrolak6320
      @arekkrolak6320 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      well, you just made a proof :)

    • @maincharacter1405
      @maincharacter1405 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Intelligence is important, but nice abs are *importanter*

    • @maincharacter1405
      @maincharacter1405 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolute value properties clearly state |x/y|= |x|/|y|

    • @MrDenislynch
      @MrDenislynch 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      or you could just prove it for the first quadrant and call it a day

  • @khetamessi7304
    @khetamessi7304 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so muchhhh❤

  • @bartlomiejodachowski
    @bartlomiejodachowski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And we are done...

  • @jitendrasahay3847
    @jitendrasahay3847 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am not sure how one can put the equility sign with the inequility while comparing the three areas. it's pretty much clear the area of circular arc is greater than (and not greater than equal to) area of smaller triangle and area of bigger triangle is greater than the area of circular arc. How in the world they could be equal for any value of theta unless you are directly assuming in the very start itself and once assume so you won't have any way to proceed further because whole geometry will collapse to the origin.
    Let me know your views.

    • @IsaacC
      @IsaacC 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      theta can be zero, in which case all would be equal

  • @Kittles1992
    @Kittles1992 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    please update your playlist

  • @krisztian76
    @krisztian76 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why to bother with absolute values? If it's true in the 1st quarter, it's enough. The forth quarter is just the mirror image.

    • @basdflasdf8829
      @basdflasdf8829 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We're looking for what it is "at" zero. and zero is inbetween the two quadrants.

    • @jimmyb998
      @jimmyb998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If you only consider the 1st quarter, you'd only prove what the lim theta ->0 + (i.e. as theta approaches 0 FROM THE RIGHT) is. However, theta may also approach 0 FROM THE left, which means it'd be in the IVth quadrant. By using the absolute values, you can essentially prove that both limit approaching from the left and the limit approaching from the right are equal to 1. saves time :)

  • @savithachess1109
    @savithachess1109 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can someone explain why do we need to have the equal sign when comparing areas? It is clear that the areas won't be equal.

  • @EzraSchroeder
    @EzraSchroeder 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how does he make this video? what tools? Thank you!!!

  • @ВалентинаРоянова
    @ВалентинаРоянова 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok😊

  • @jordanr8745
    @jordanr8745 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    guys, why in the inequality sign he puts less or equal than instead of less than? min 4:24

    • @cornationboot8690
      @cornationboot8690 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      when theta = 0 all of the areas are 0 and same

  •  ปีที่แล้ว

    In general, divisions are dangerous. Why you can divide by sin(θ) knowing that it can be zero?

  • @ptrexy
    @ptrexy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we prove that the are of the circular sector is bigger than the area of the salmon triangle?

  • @hrkhrld
    @hrkhrld ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why do we say that the areas are less than or equal to one another? Is is not obvious that the areas are larger than the other so it's more like "less than" not "less than or equal to"? Can someone help? Thanks!

    • @altan.neptonioluca
      @altan.neptonioluca ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bcs when the theta aproaches zero, everything seems so small and almost equal. For example, let theta is 0.01 degree. Everything in rasio almost equal. Since cos almost 0 degree is almost 1, so sin theta/theta is almost 1 also. What you see is the theha ofc far bigger than 0 let's say 45 degree and it's not approaching zero

    • @alxkub
      @alxkub 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Less then or equal to include the case of theta=0 at the moment when you define those areas. But you can exclude theta=0 right away and go with “less than”. The proof will work fine anyway.

  • @pipingdilat4422
    @pipingdilat4422 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    why can't we simply say y = lim ( x->0 ) (sin x)/x ~~ lim (x-->0 ) y = x/x = 1 since for very small x , sinx = x ( also = tan x) ?

  • @tushroy81
    @tushroy81 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please help me.
    I am confused. He just prove this only for 1st and 4th Quad... How to prove it for any Quad.
    Moreover to prove lim(sinx/x), we need to prove it through sine series which is dependent on Maclaurin Series which is dependent on derivative of sin x which is dependent on lim(sinx/x). Then it's a cyclic way. Which is the fundamental theorem and how to prove it without depending on daughter theorems.

    • @filipeguilherme3094
      @filipeguilherme3094 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think you just need to prove it in the 1st an 4th because it's lim-0, which means that you want to know how much is sen(0)/0, and sen(0) just appears in the 1st and 4th quad. Sorry for my English I hope that I helped you

  • @ปุณวิทย์เกษียร
    @ปุณวิทย์เกษียร 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this true for theta is not between -pi/2 and pi/2?

    • @jimmyb998
      @jimmyb998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's irrelevant, since the question here concerns the limit as theta -> 0. Theta can only approach 0 from regions where -pi/2 < theta < pi/2.

  • @atlast7035
    @atlast7035 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Neat proof, but your explanation of tan leaves something to be desired.

  • @sohayelahmed7800
    @sohayelahmed7800 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 4:20 how can 3 areas be equal? Clearly second one is bigger than the first and third one is bigger than the second.

    • @beegdigit9811
      @beegdigit9811 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Notice when theta = 0, all three areas are 0, so 0

  • @tictac3711
    @tictac3711 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is 4:25 the area of the salmon triangle less than OR EQUAL to the area of the wedge? I don't get it how can they be equal can anyone explain?

    • @marcelrogervillar4325
      @marcelrogervillar4325 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As theta approaches 0 the value of all three areas should approach to equal value

  • @choibruce6417
    @choibruce6417 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the value of sinx approaches the value of x as sinx approaches zero. This means the limit of sinx/x as it approaches 0 will basically be x/x, equalling 1. Sinx approaches x because when sinx approaches 0, x also approaches 0, meaning they become closer and closer to eachothers' values.

  • @welovfree
    @welovfree 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can use the definition of derivative of sin(x) at point 0

    • @孙林可
      @孙林可 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No. You need lim(x->0)sinx/x to find the derivative of sine. Try to compute derivative of sine by definition.

  • @ahmedtresh1426
    @ahmedtresh1426 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If anyone can explain why we put equal sign when it's obvious that the three areas aren't the same and every one much bigger than the other
    Another thing , can we prove that with any circle rather than unit circle?

    • @Hah-o7i
      @Hah-o7i 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      because of sandwich or squeeze theorem.

    • @nonakeza6132
      @nonakeza6132 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Since we didn’t mention the value of theta,it can be any value as long as it’s between -(pi/2) and pi/2 (meaning theta can be any value of the values that are bigger than -(pi/2) and smaller than (pi/2)),and because zero is among these values then currently theta can be zero and when theta is zero the three areas will all be zero since they all equal to sin(theta),theta and tan(theta),therefore the areas are only equal to each other when theta is zero(they are also equal to each other when theta is -(pi/2) and pi/2 but we mentioned earlier that -(pi/2) and pi /2 are not among the values they are just bigger or smaller than that)and it can be done on any circle just put r (which is radius) instead of one and it will give the same result.

  • @omomair2601
    @omomair2601 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOUUUUUUUU

  • @bawiagoogle1413
    @bawiagoogle1413 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I dont understand one thing.
    The area of the triangle can be less than the area of radian but when will the areas will be equal?
    Plz help.

    • @finmat95
      @finmat95 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      When Theta = 0

  • @raybin2086
    @raybin2086 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Why did signs flip when sin θ/θ was inversed?

    • @denizn.tastan6847
      @denizn.tastan6847 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      When you take the reciprocals you have to invert the signs. Think of an inequality like 1>1/2 when you take the reciprocal and dont change the sign it becomes 1>2 which is obviously incorrect so you have to invert the sign making it 1

    • @hotman718
      @hotman718 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Taking the reciprocal reverses the sign of the inequality. It's a general math rule. You are reversing the inequality essentially.

  • @wnJhntn
    @wnJhntn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow

  • @abdialibabaali132
    @abdialibabaali132 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    is sal doing a barack obama voice imitation at some points in the video

  • @tanzetat3172
    @tanzetat3172 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    why is absolute value used?

  • @archit8169
    @archit8169 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am confused by one thing ...why did we take equality when we were working with equations of areas we can clearly see that the areas are small ...how can they be equal in any case?

    • @marcelrogervillar4325
      @marcelrogervillar4325 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As theta approches zero the values of all three areas should approach to equality..

  • @bacoleman31
    @bacoleman31 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where the base =1 come from?

  • @davidiswhat
    @davidiswhat 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    published this pretty recently. Anyways why do you need to change the signs upon using the recipricals

    • @davidiswhat
      @davidiswhat 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ty appreciate the explanation

    • @anandbabu563
      @anandbabu563 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      davidiswhat was a day

  • @user-yy3bc5be8y
    @user-yy3bc5be8y 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watched this video two years (older version). But after watched multiple times, I still wonder why these three areas are equal, from the graph the blue triangle area should be larger than the red triangle area. Can anyone explain to me?

    • @agastyawiraputra2208
      @agastyawiraputra2208 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It *is* equal only when the angle is close to zero. Seems counter-intuitive if you see it through the picture he had drawn. Imagine if you shrink θ to almost nothing, you will see how they have similar areas. If you still think that there might be discrepancies in terms of areas, well, hence the name 'limit'.

    • @user-yy3bc5be8y
      @user-yy3bc5be8y 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@agastyawiraputra2208 Thank You!

    • @alkalinewaterman1172
      @alkalinewaterman1172 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@agastyawiraputra2208 Can you explain me why has he chosen the interval as -π/2

    • @alimaisamamiri2530
      @alimaisamamiri2530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I also came across this question

    • @Jacksonrox13
      @Jacksonrox13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alkalinewaterman1172 Cause if you go higher than π/r or lower than -π/r, the triangle ceases to be a right-angle triangle, thus screwing up the formulas.

  • @davidiswhat
    @davidiswhat 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also I dont see why the pink triangle could be equal to the orange slice of the circle.

    • @Atilla_the_Fun
      @Atilla_the_Fun 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are equal if theta = 0.
      The triangle will have an area of 0, and the circle slice will also have an area of 0
      0=0

    • @zNeoDev
      @zNeoDev 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too , I can't get this step at all
      It's doesn't make any sense

    • @Atilla_the_Fun
      @Atilla_the_Fun 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ahmed Azmy
      I literally just explained it in the comment above...

    • @zNeoDev
      @zNeoDev 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      oh !! thanks ♥ @attila th fun

  • @datoubi
    @datoubi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    why is it less or equal to and not just less than? I cant see how the red triangle could ever be equal to the orange triangle

    • @braianpita6385
      @braianpita6385 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      datoubi I suppose it has to do with theta approaching smaller angles the difference in area between the triangles becomes smaller and smaller approaching the same area when theta is 0, but that’s just guessing an explanation

    • @datoubi
      @datoubi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@braianpita6385 what are the odds of this happening. I was watching this video again right as you responded to my comment :D I think it's really just the limit now as to why it's less or equal to

    • @braianpita6385
      @braianpita6385 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@datoubi glad I could help :)

  • @nicholasalkhawli6057
    @nicholasalkhawli6057 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can the area be less or equal

  • @gavinf.9778
    @gavinf.9778 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    epic

  • @99bits46
    @99bits46 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    we are done lmao

  • @TheFarmanimalfriend
    @TheFarmanimalfriend 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    According to your logic, sin theta/2 = tan theta/2 (area of a triangle). I have a problem believing that.

    • @angrycat2789
      @angrycat2789 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TheFarmanimalfriend consider the limit as theta approaches zero for both sin theta and tan theta. You’ll see that both approach zero. Graph them or use a graphic calculator, is easy to see. For very small theta the “equality part” in the inequality holds

    • @jimmyb998
      @jimmyb998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wrong. according to the logic the LIMITS as theta ->0 of sin theta / 2 = LIMIT as theta ->0 of tan theta /2. And that IS true.

  • @finmat95
    @finmat95 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    UAO

  • @domingo2977
    @domingo2977 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why take the reciprocal?

    • @denizn.tastan6847
      @denizn.tastan6847 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      DeRon Burton To get rid of 1/cosθ and make it easier to calculate

    • @jimmyb998
      @jimmyb998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      because the question was "what's the limit of sin x / x", not "what's the limit of x / sin x".

  • @hongsethya4932
    @hongsethya4932 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i don't get it

  • @thanaa6401
    @thanaa6401 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how am I supposed to do such reasoning in the exam

  • @TheFarmanimalfriend
    @TheFarmanimalfriend 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    L'opital gives cos(x)/1 from sin(x)/x and that is equal to one. as x --> 0.

    • @jimmyb998
      @jimmyb998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To use l'Hopital, you must calculate derivatives. And the proof that the deriviative of sine is cosine, requires this limit to be 1. You therefore must proove that separately, as done in this video.

  • @LodrakFaust
    @LodrakFaust 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    some weird math about how 0/0 is 1 interesting.

  • @qualquan
    @qualquan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    check out rootmath