Whenever I'm putting a new revolver through it's paces I number the cylinders with a label maker. That way I can keep track of which hole might be causing problems. If the revolver is going to be used for hunting I also shoot each hole for groups (6 shots from hole #1, 6 shots from #2..ect....). Some revolvers show no difference between holes, some show a lot. Great video, thank you!
@@TargetSuite I was forced to buy Promag magizine for my carry piece because you can't buy factory any longer. The Promag WORK! But I missed having numbered witness holes. Sharpe to the rescue!
Very good idea on revolvers, I do it all the time. Nothing fancy, just nail polish. Also number your magazines for semi-autos. It can help narrow down feeding problems.
Very informative video, i inherited a blued 4" Python from my father that was made back in the sixties that was his duty weapon, still shoots great after all these years.
Cherish it. My friends Python was his duty sidearm and his son has called "dibs" on it. I was going to offer him $250 for it because it was so old... maybe $300 since we were friends. Hoping he didn't know what it was worth.
@@Tokarev6485 That actually worked for me once, and then I carried that gun for 20 years before he recently asked to buy it back as a family heirloom. Downside; I had to sell it back for the same $250.
@frankhinkle5772 at least you gave it back for what you bought it at. But I would have also let them know how much it was after you gave it back but thats just me.
No choosing, really, just accumulate as many as seems personally feasible! Colt, Smith, Ruger all part of the selection... Happiness is a full gun safe! If one is into that sort of thing that is to say. Good luck dealing with your leftist government, we're currently struggling with ours, too.... bureaucrats and politicians are not friends of social freedom and individual liberty.
I have an original 6" Python I bought brand new back in the early 80's and now that I'm getting older, the orange front sight is also getting a bit harder to pick up for me. They are a lot tougher to replace on the older Pythons, but I wouldn't change it anyway as I want to keep the gun factory original. I do want to pick up one of the new 4" Pythons as a range gun...I just love the looks of the 4" model. I'm giving Colt a little more time to tweak them out, but the time for me to jump is getting closer... Your video helped that along!👍
@@TargetSuiteI wonder if these problems are fixed completely now, my birthdays in a few days and my girlfriends looking to get me a 6 inch version, my all time favorite revolver and a dream gun of mine but I wouldn’t want it if it has problems
I really liked the comparison between single and double action trigger pull back angles. I never really thought about the differences between the 2 angles. I also liked what you found out about the front vs back site size differences. I never really analyzed that design and the ramifications of the 2 different sizes as it relates to sight picture. I'll have to look at my pistols and rifles that have sights to see if there is a difference. I wonder if the size difference is negated/eliminated when the distance becomes greater between the rear and front site when the 2 sites are different sizes.
I agree, Frank. The OEM rear sight on my 2020 Python was not securely mounted. The Wilson sight fits like a glove. Too bad Colt didn’t partner with Wilson, as you expect a revolver of this caliber to have excellent sights, like the first generation did.
I installed Wilson sights on my new Python. I went with a gold bead for a front sight, their U notch rear sight. Much better quality. Still have same sights on my original Python I bought in 1976. Take care.
Thanks for the video. I just love watching a colt in action! You are right about your hand load issue in this testing. I’ve only shot manufacturer ammo and had no misfire issues ever whatsoever with my 2020 python.
I had one of the new Cobra .357 3" and it was a piece of junk, broke just by dry firing, sent to COLT told me it was fixed and I could dry fire, well did so about 30 times and broke again, and then was fixed and I sold it, broke on the new owner, and they sent it to COLT for another repair. I am afraid to buy a COLT PYTHON. It was the trigger would not return and broke. Well I sure hope they got this done RIGHT as I would love a 3" Python yet am afraid to buy a COLT of new make. I had a blue (yes wish they were now in blue favor blue) 3" Python in the 80's or early 90's and never fired it, loved that gun and feel. I carried my personal blue COLT PYTHONG 6" on duty in the late 70's and early 80 before going to a pistol (rules changed). What a wonderful weapon that was an extremely accurate, just oozed confidence.
I can understand how the double-action trigger fall must be shorter, I just didn't realize it's that much shorter. that was an illuminating demonstration, thanks!
Very nice video showcasing the new Colt Python. I've always liked the look of the Python, especially the old Royal Blue finish. However, the Smith&Wesson's were always more in my range of affordability. I really appreciate the hammer fall scale that you fabricated. It was an excellent demonstration and something that I hadn't considered. Nice learning experience for me. Thanks for another great and informative video.
Wayne you are so right about the Smith & Wesson's being more in the range of affordability! It's been a long time ago but back in 1979 I bought a new Mod 19 Snub at the local gunstore! At the time I was really checking out the Pythons but the Mod 19 was a good bit cheaper than the Python so I bought the 19. Some months later I followed that purchase with a new 4" Mod 19 with the 3 T's and white outline rear sight and red ramp. Over the years I have enjoyed owning the Mod 19's. And over the years I have managed to pick up a few Pythons as well including the new 2020 version Pythons. If they came out with new Python in Royal Blue I would be the first in line at the local gunstore to pick one up. Really it's hard to go wrong with a Smith & Wesson or a Colt revolver. In fact I have never had any kind of failure on a Smith & Wesson or Colt revolver. Maybe I have just been lucky but they have always worked as expected!
@@kickit59 My first Smith was a 6" Model 27 Highway Patrolman back in '75. Really liked that big N Frame, but traded it for a new 3 Screw Ruger Blackhawk 4-5/8". Wish that I had kept that 27, but I could really draw and shoot, accurately, that Single Action out in the South Texas brush country. Next was a S&W Model 13-1 sometime in the early '80's. In the '90's I added a S&W Model 36 Chiefs Special and a Model 49 Bodyguard. I prefer Ruger for Single Action Revolvers, and S&W for DA revolver in my "stables". Never owned a Colt, except a Series 70 Combat Commander for a short time in the late '80's. If I can find a "good deal" on a 1970's era Royal Blue 4" Python, I'll jump on it with my "snake" catcher. 😊 BTW, my first revolver, ever, was a 3 Screw, 7-1/2" Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine that I bought in early 1968. Sold it off before I left for Viet Nam in 1970. I can't remember what my reasoning was but, like a simpleton, I let that sweet baby go. 🤯
@@kickit59 It's really hard to beat that old 4" Model 19 with the 3T's and that great outlined rear sight. I mostly ran 38 Special through it for practice, and a followed up with a few cylinders of 357 to keep in practice with it. Being a K frame I was reluctant to run full loads on a regular basis because of possible timing issues. When I was out in the brush, however, it was loaded with 357 Super Vel, the old factory hot load of the day back then.
@@waynehajek6346 Wayne there are two no actually three revolvers that I sold during financial downturns that today I really regret. One was a Mod 57 41 Magnum 4" blued in the wood presentation case that I bought new at Warshals Sporting Goods in Seattle over 40 years ago. Another was a mid 70's Python 4" Nickel that was still as new in the box. The last was a 4" Blued Mod 27 that was mint with it's box. One day down the road I will get replacements for all three and I'll be pretty happy about that!
Federal primers are the best for revolvers. Had problem with CCIs in any revolver with a nice trigger. Also when installing the primers, seating them flush isn't enough. Seat them fully even if slightly below flush. The energy of the firing pin gets absorbed pushing the primer in. Also using a .22 is not only more economical it improves your double action trigger pull because they have a heavier trigger pull in order to insure ignition of the rim fire cartridges.
I always thought you were supposed to seat primers like 0.001 to 0.002 below or you're risking a slam-fire (in a semi auto anyway). In fact that's how my Lyman primer tool seats them. I will usually run my thumb over each and every one as I seat them to make sure it's below flush.
Wilson Combat makes super high quality click adjustable target rear and red/green fiber optic front or gold bead. And the rear sight fits tightly into the frame with no side to side play. I shoot reloads in my new Pythons and Anacondas using CCI primers and never have had a failure to fire on double action.
Great analysis of hammer fall of single vs double action. I have had my eyes on the Colt Python since it was reintroduced. Hopefully some day! Great video and Great shooting!
I tried one of the new model Pythons and I must say with no bias my old model Python made in the 80's has a much smoother trigger pull and very light and crisper single action pull. Oh and that deep rich royal blue that only comes from the old hand picked craftsmen .
My best friend has two 6 inch originals..One blued, one stainless...He needed a little brother for them,, so he found a 6 inch Diamondback .22 in blue...quite the trio.
Appreciate the video. It was definitely informative and fun to watch. I recently had the opportunity to shoot one of the newer 6 inch barreled pythons and 3 inch barrel pythons that were purchased within a few weeks of each other from my friend. They were purchased very recently and I had no issues shooting several different types of factory ammo. I shot double action and single action without any issues, so I would venture to say has something to do with your reloads where the problem lies. As far as the accuracy went, it was phenomenal with both. Yes I was at an indoor range, and I wasn’t shooting all that far away but both of them shot extremely accurate and I was very surprised with the results of the 3 inch barrel version, as I was a bit nervous shooting full house 357 magnum, but it did not show that much more recoil, as compared to the 6 inch barrel version at least in my opinion. As far as the sights go, Wilson combat as other reviewers have mentioned, makes some excellent sights for these revolvers. In my opinion, colt should be embarrassed and ashamed knowing that another company had to be the ones to come out with better and no issue sights for there most popular revolver that’s $1500.00! Even though I shot both revolvers well with the factory sights, they are not that great and I agree with your assessment! Colt firearms clearly acknowledged a while back that there was issues with the rear sight coming loose and they also acknowledged that Wilson combat made some new sights for these revolvers. I even spoke with their customer service on the phone about this and they laughed and giggled like school kids, instead of taking responsibility and putting on better sights When they realized there was a problem. They could’ve easily put better sights on or even started automatically putting the Wilson combat sights on for people who are spending this kind of money on their revolvers, but instead they know there’s an issue and they let other people spend $150-$200 more to get decent sights put on they’re revolvers and they’re OK with it??? Colt, I hope you’re reading this comment and I hope you understand that eventually people will buy less of your products when you perform this way.
Colt refused to help me with one of their products years ago. I wasn’t looking for a handout; I started the conversation by saying I was willing to pay them handsomely. They drastically mishandled the situation and lost a customer for life because of it. They do not care what happens after the sale; period.
@@RFTwo I certainly can’t blame you for not wanting to deal with him anymore. I am 48 years old and I have to tell you even to this day, Customer Service means more to me than anything else. If I do not feel like I’m respected and treated right especially after I spent money on A company‘s product, then I will never return and I will unleash my feelings. Some of these companies simply do not care about their customers which is sad, wrong and absolutely ridiculous. I called them a couple times about a holster for a python that would show up on their website and simply be gone in a matter of minutes. I called them and discuss this with them a couple times and they couldn’t explain it and couldn’t verify things or answer questions that I had. Then they gave me information that wasn’t correct. I ended up calling the maker of the holster for colt pythons that sent holsters too cold for the pythons. They gave me all the information I needed and could not understand Colts indiscretions about the product. Sigsauer is another one that I’ve had problems with. Most of their customer service People or agents are rude and have no personality whatsoever. They don’t wanna make any effort to answer questions or do anything for you as the customer. And if I call a company and asked to speak to a manager or somebody that I see on TH-cam and I am told that they’re not able to be spoken to, that’s an immediate turn off for me. That is terrible terrible service and they should be embarrassed
Thanks for another great and very informative video! I also would prefer blued steel but this one is very nice too. Really liked your diagnostics with the toothpicks😊 and sure do appreciate your knowledge and hard work!
I have a 686-2 that someone ground down the mainspring strain screw to make the double action pull lighter. Same thing; light strikes with some ammo. I found original parts and put the gun back to stock. When you were dry firing I thought that double action hammer strike looked weak. I really wish Colt would put nice wood grips on those.
I had a 77 Python with the 4 inch barrel and it was a tack driver. Light single action pull and the smoothest double action pull I’ve ever shot. A S&W 686 with a lot of gunsmith work comes a little close.
I got the exact model in February and had to send it back to fix a cylinder latch binding issue. Colt got it back to me in 3 weeks. Also experienced light primer strikes DA with Speer Lawman 158 gr .38 special but no other brands had that issue. Seems to work as expected now. The fit and finish is excellent now and I’m pleased.
Interesting and informative video George, thank you. I have been intrigued with and wanting a Colt Python ever since I saw the 1973 movie Electra Glide In Blue when I was 9 or 10. Big John Wintergreen's (Robert Blake) Python in the "Pinto" finish with the blued frame and nickel cylinder and barrel was the neatest looking revolver I had ever seen. Still haven't bought myself one, but maybe one day I will. For whatever reason the new stainless Python just doesn't seem to scratch the itch, maybe with the deep blue finish it might.
Thanks for your comment. And you know what? The more I handle this the less intrigued I am. It's just not the same as the older royal blue pythons. I know even those older guns had some problems but the Mystique was there!
@@TargetSuite Yes indeed, the old royal blue finish was a thing of beauty and I don't think the mystique will ever go away or be replaced. I haven't fired an original Python in 40 years but I remember the experience. A Fort Worth police officer that was a friend of my dads let me shoot his and it was a pleasure. Thank you for the reply.
Your experience with the new Colt Python exactly mirrors mine. According to Colt, mine was manufactured in Dec. 2022. I sent it back to Colt and it was returned without any real improvement. CCI 500 primers wouldn't light double action at least 1 out of 6 rds. with my CCI handloads. Remington, and Federal .38 Special factory ammo did fine. Yes it's definitely an ammo queen. Sadly, the only primers that seem currently available are CCI and factory ammo is expensive. I have a few W-W primers and will give them a try. Yes, it does have a couple of "problems". Note. W-W primed handloads worked flawlessly.
Hello Sir! Discovered your channel today, liked and subscribed! Really loved watching this, no BS and practical insights into one of the most iconic, modern handguns. Warm regards from Malta, Europe!
I hope the new ones are better than the old ones. I had 2 of them, the first was right out of the Colt Custom shop bought in '77. It was fragile jumping out of time and accuracy suffered, the forcing cone needed work and it would drag and jam when dirty. I also experienced FTF with it. It looked beautiful but I wouldn't bet my life on it. I'm not impressed by safe queens so I sold it and bought a standard Python in '82 and experienced the exact same problems. I sold that one 3 years later and bought a Trooper MkIII and after shooting it extensively IMHO it was twice the revolver the Python was. In later years I also bought a M66 S&W and a Ruger GP100 and a used Speed 6 also found it's way into my hands, all better weapons than the 2 Pythons I owned.
The PROBLEM was those PYTHONS were made TOO recently. The OLD COLTS are the BEST, when they still had COMPETENT SKILLED GUNSMITHS STILL. COLT used to DOMINATE the OLYMPIC SHOOTING TOURNAMENTS BACK IN THE EARLY PART OF THE CENTURY. 🤔😯😉😃😃😃
Ken I'm curious if you have tried the new Kimber .357 revolvers. Expensive yes (1200 bucks), but MAN Im having a great shooting experience with the Kimber. Give one a try.
Many years ago this was explained to me by a gunsmith who built revolvers for PPC competition. When cycled in double action the hammer does not go back as far as it does when cocked in single action therefore it does not have as much energy when hitting the primer. If you happen to be shooting something with CCI primers which back then were harder than the other brands you will not have enough impact energy to fire the primers. I can see in your video that when shooting double action the hammer does not go as far back as when cocked in single action. I don't know if rugers or the original pythons work the same way but S&W revolvers do and can have misfires for the same reason.
I never have misfire problems with any of my S&W's or Ruger's using CCI primers in handloads, only in the new Python. Federal's primers are the most reliable in my new snake. I wish a mainspring that was a little stronger was available from Colt. Colt refuses to sell us peons parts.
I have a S&W 686 and have never once had a failure to fire. I use CCI primers standard in my 38s and magnum in my 357 and not one issue. Owners are trying to make themselves feel better about this by saying all revolvers do it in double action. That is absolutely NOT the case and the new python is a disgrace to a once fine name.
@@MilitaryTalkGuy I think it is rare but I've seen it happen which is why I had a discussion with a gunsmith about it. This guy builds double action revolvers and built a gun that won Bianchi cup one time. If you watch your gun when operated in double action you can see that the hammer doesn't come back as far as it does in single action.
I bought a King recently and same problem in DA (10 out of a 100, using factory 38 and 357)and immediately sent it back and a month later I got it back. Have not taken to the range but the pull feels harder. Maybe CZ can help them with their triggers. I watched your video completely and I like your competence and you have a new sub.
My Old Man got me a Colt for my 18th Birthday. Never had a miss fire. I have trigger pulls, written down somewhere, on everything I own . 7lbs seems about right but 5lbs sucks. More like 2.5. The first 6 months I owned it I had been loading cast 158 swc max loads. YES George Hard Cast. I cleaned the mold one day and found out they' were 168. Kicked a little more than expected. But not like what was soon to follow. My Dads best friend had moved out to Idaho and became good buddies with one of the locals. When He told this old cowboy I just got a new Colt, He immediately loaded up a whole RG Dunn cigar box full. When we got it I fired 2 rounds and my Dad 1. It got buried in the swamp. Moral of the story don't shoot other peoples hand loads and sometimes your own.
My recent purchase of the Python (new model) was quite a disappointment. Following is the RMA letter I included with Python sent back to Colt. All identifying info has been scrubbed. Folks - I recently took took possession of my new model Python. Upon unpackaging, several issues came to light. 1: The barrel is misaligned to the frame. Looking down the sight window, the front sight is canted to the right. Looking down the muzzle, it’s even more obviously canted to the left. When the barrel was torqued to the frame, it needed to be screwed on the tiniest bit more. Colt QC clearly missed this, but I know you can quickly correct it. Thanks. 2: Python triggers are legendary. My double action trigger is a thing of glory; my single action most definitely is not. I understand positive sear angle, but the single action trigger on this gun draws the hammer almost 1/64” to the rear before a heavy release. Some research suggests that this is done deliberately at the factory to satisfy some absurd California and Massachusetts dropped gun requirements. I live in a Southern state. We like our guns and we don’t drop them. The Colt customer service rep I spoke with said you are not allowed to tune the single action. C’mon guys - I suspect you all have Pythons of your own and that your single action triggers are tuned to perfection. I want that too. I promise to look the other way while a technician mounts the trigger and hammer onto their jig and takes a few passes with a file to make the trigger pull what it can and should be. As Sargent Shultz from “Hogans Hero’s” famously said, “I know nothing!” I want to show this revolver off to my shooting buddies. Right now, I feel I need to apologize for it. This isn’t what either of us wants. 3: There is ~ 0.002 end shake in the cylinder. I’m guessing this is withing spec, but any end shake at all in a premier revolver like this is too much. I plan to shoot this a lot, and the battering the ratchet pad will take will shorten the gun’s life. Please fix this. I’ve wanted a Python since I started shooting (decades ago). Now I have one. I ask you to please make this the revolver I thought I was buying. I know you can do this. Thanks and regards,
The revolver existed before CZ purchased the company, and the new Colt Python was designed by Americans and assembled by Americans in America. Why are you giving Colt all the credit?
@ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE still have had 0 issues with Ruger GP100 and Blackhawk .357 Magnum or Ruger LCR .327 Federal Magnum. Even old .32 S&W loads from the 40s fired in that LCR.
I have a 6" that I upgraded with Wilson Combat Sights, as well as original grips, and I have a 3" also with Wilson sights and service grips. I love them both, but both still have trouble going through my reloads reliably, however, they have no problems with factory ammo. I will say that both did have to go back to the factory. The 6" for a cosmetic issue with a burr inside the trigger guard where the side plate met the frame, and the 3" because one cylinder would fail to rotate in single action, only when loaded. Both are fixed. Both have had those cheap thin smooth grips replaced and the sights as well and they're very accurate and easy to shoot well.
Thanks for your comment. I have a couple of different sights that I'm going to cover in the next video and one of them is that fantastic sight from Wilson Combat.
@@TargetSuite The Wilson sights are a tremendous upgrade from the ACRO style sights on the 2020 PY's and for sure they are worth the cost. I have the gold bead and U notch combination on mine and it is a tack driver.
I have had double action pistols that wouldn't fire ammo with hard primers , but fired if you pulled the hammer back . Great video and gun . You have a blessed one my friend .
I have a mint 6in Python made in 1960. I've had it about 35yrs. Saw lots of use as a Bullseye gun with .38 Special wadcutters. Action is slick as a snail on a grease pan. I want to shoot it side by side with a new one. Saw a few pre-owned 6in guns for around $1500 at local shops, but they didn't stay on the shelf very long.
I shot a 4" Python a couple times back in 1975 when I was first learning to shoot. The sights were better than I was able to shoot, so I had no room to complain. This will be interesting.
The Python is the best looking revolver ever made. As for a daily use gun, the original Python was too delicate. Colt beefed up the frame and internal parts to be more rugged in the new Pythons so it's not as delicate as the original. They're beautiful revolvers but I'd pick a Ruger GP100 357 over the Colt because any gun I own is going to be used and the GP100 is the strongest, most rugged DA revolver made. I'll still say that the Python is the best looking DA revolver ever made by any company. Even people that know nothing about guns will recognize the Python. But I'll always take function over fashion. Most 1911 enthusiasts would fall over dead if they saw my 4" 1911 45. Two different grip panels and a lot of grip tape. She's not the prettiest pistol around but I set her up to fit my hands and shooting style perfectly. As long as she goes boom every time I pull the trigger I'm not concerned about looks. I'd do the same with a Python or a $10,000 Wilson Combat Custom 1911. Looks won't save your life.
IMO the nickle plated 27 outshines the Python in looks, but when I bought my first duty gun I passed on a used Indiana state police python for new Ruger Security Six. I kept that until I was issued a Smith model 64.
Good title and as others have said, federal primers are softer. I’ve had problems with older Colt Detective Specials in double action, but not with federal ammo.
Thanks for the video. I have a 3-inch. Very nice gun (coming from a S&W fan). I shoot mine DA. It has a very nice DA stroke. I shoot heavy-loaded .38 Specials (AKA: Skeeter loads) in mine. I augmented the sights with front/rear Wilson sights with a gold bead up front. Service stocks and a Tyler T-grip make it a perfect belt gun. Mine is new and looks as though all of the teething issues have been resolved.
Never owned a Colt Snake Gun, but plenty of Smith and Wesson 586 "s and 686"s never had a Problem with either, shooting Reloads or Factory ammo and never did so called trigger Jobs....
I just picked up one of the new production Anaconda’s, not as polished of a finish as the python but beautiful nonetheless. Incredible double action trigger. Nice video
Colt had over 20 years to get thier scat together with the reintroduction of the Python and Anaconda and craped the bed on its reintroduction. It's a beautiful gun but here are my gripes. Quality control while first batches being pushed out were in inexcusable. That said, I have the 2020 6 inch Python and a 2022 6 inch Anaconda. Speaking of the Python the trigger pull is heavy but smooth. The rear sight is a joke and the one who designed it, and his cronie who approved it should be looking for a job at Mattel. Roll mark's should of been of the original style. The front sight, a improvement but stops short of the Smith and Wesson superior tooless swap out. Price is riding on the old pony name as a 686 is cheaper and IMO better.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, on your close look I saw a nick on the barrel crown at 4 o'clock clear as hell, you'll see it on your video at 3:35 minutes. Take a look at it. I like the gun blue more also with wood grips . I like your shop setup NICE !
As always, very informative. Always good to see you my friend. Beautiful revolver. I never like red for the color of the front sight post either. Being partially color blind to red and green, in low light conditions, I don't pick up the red. White is the only color of front sight I use.
Nice video, George! I think your new nickname, if you keep on shooting magnum loads all the time, should be, "Flinch." That's what I'd be doing after shooting that many rounds. Ross Seyfried wrote some great articles on SA vs DA shooting. He found he was inherently more accurate shooting DA for two reasons. First, the shorter hammer fall distance, which you so expertly pointed out with your "computer-generated" graph :)) He had less time to throw the shot. Second, it was harder for him to anticipate when the shot would break. That short-circuited his flinch response. He found he would tend to flinch more often shooting SA. My old eyes had a hard time seeing the differences with the sights, but I agree, after looking at a new Python at the shop, that front sight is too wide.
I also shoot my 2020 Python better DA. The DA pull is so smooth you can't tell when it's going to break and this does cut flinch after 50 or so full house 357 rounds.
I have owned 4 Pythons in my. 60+ years of skills and accuracy development. I love some S&W’s (especially older recessed cylinder models) and some of the quality built Ruger products. The Python is at the top of the heap. I have my eye on the new model 3” if I can break open the wallet.
I had a Colt Python and I didn't really care for the action on the gun and on top of that the cylinder spins backwards on rotation but it is a very attractive piece you want a superior gun buy a Smith & Wesson model 27 or Model 66 you will be much happier
I could never afford a Python. But the Trooper Mk III, was called the poor man’s Python and, to be honest, they shoot just fine for me. 6” and 8 3/8” barrels sure shot nice!
I had a Trooper Mk III in the early '80's; it was the most accurate 357 I have every had; shot some straight! I could hit paper plate size targets at 100 with ease. Closer shots were so percise. I shot a hovering Bumble Bee out of the air on a dare. Love those bee's now!
The MK III Trooper is a whole different animal than the original Trooper- which actually did have a Python frame and action. The MK III is nothing close to the original Trooper.
I just got one a week ago. Really like it. I did have a misfire myself but I thought maybe I didn't closed the cylinder all the way. Planning to go out soon to test it again.
I purchased the 6" version last year with ZERO buyer's remorse. Put 85' series Deer Hollow reproduction/original grips, gold bead Wilson Combat front sight and a Wilson Combat rear 'u' sights on the gun. It's perfection. LOVE firing this gun.
I had the same issues plus my cylinder locked completely up in single action. Sent it back they rep,aced some items and it came back no issues and even though I had issues they resolved them and the gun runs like a dream.
Thank you George. I'm glad Colt still alive even more with Zeska blood. Hopefully Colt will run better and expo sales will help the Co. Keep it up George.
I had the same problem on some harder primers. Milled about .005” off the hammer stop so it engages the transfer bar a little more and no more problems. 11:25
It's frustrating that some firearm manufacturers don't put more thought into their sights. I have a couple of revolvers that should be a joy to shoot except the sights are nearly impossible to see. The fact that you have to look for aftermarket sights after paying 1500 for a revolver is ridiculous.
Nice video i hope the new ones are stronger actions. I had two Pythons one late 70’s other early 80’s and both were fantastic 38 Specials but they shot out of time quickly with a steady diet of 357’s. The only good thing to come from them is they led me to the Ruger Security Six and ultimately the GP100 both so which 30 and 35+ years later are still running strong. I think they get pissed at me if I load mere 38’s they want power.
From what I've learned, they have really beefed up the new pythons so they don't fall out of time and the frames don't stretch. I hope that is true, for Kevin's sake.
I am happy that your new Python has excellent fit and finish. I was so excited when the King Cobra was released that I bought one sight unseen in 2019. It was far from perfect. The trigger reset had multiple clicks and sometimes the trigger didn’t engage properly. Colt “customer service” claimed the gun was working as intended. I rarely sell a firearm but that one is gone and I have no regrets. I have more than one Colt double action revolver made in 1960 or earlier. There is no comparison between those fine firearms and that 2019 King Cobra. None.
@chipsterb4946 I get what you're saying. This one is really polished up nice, and it has a fantastic double action trigger pull, but the rear sight has .015" of slop, side to side, the front sight and single action pull are like something you would find on a Taurus or worse. At least the bone are there.
My new Python is awesome in every way except the sights are crap. I ordered the Wilson Combat sights for it and am anxiously awaiting there arrival. I think that will make it better. My only complaint is that you shouldn't have to replace the sights on a new 1500 dollar pistol. Colt needs to do better than that.
I just got the S&W Model 57-5 Mountain Gun .41 Mag (NIB) mfg.2005 Had light primer strikes on hand load and factory. Had to install extended internal firing pin. Love the Python and after getting the 57-5 Unicorn....Python 4" is next!
Just bought a 4.25 version like the one you shot. Havent shot it yet so later this week we'll see how it does. Also ordered the wilson rear sight to put on it. I have a 6 inch royal i bought new in 1976. It has a better single action pull. The new one has a better double action pull
Yeah.... The Colt Python is very nice. Beautiful in fact. Fit and finish is top notch. I saw one at one of my local stores, looked it over, and was impressed. Then I saw the price tag,... ouch! A few minutes later I was at another store where I saw a S&W 686. Not as polished, but it'll get the job done, and for a lot less. Now I have a 686. After 150 rounds and some dry fire practice, the trigger is becoming very good.
George, Great video on a fantastic gun, but that Smith and Wesson model 17 Combat Masterpiece stole the show!...those are magnificent in every sense of the word! ....just my 2c worth.....Best Regards D.
Great video and I’m tempted to get one. BTW, which artist was that on your Birdseye Blues you played during the “fit and finish” segment? (Do you have iTunes link for download?)
Picked up a new anaconda last Saturday. Got it home and tried sighting it in and just couldnt. With the rear sight all the way to the right, it was still shooting left. So I sat there looking it over really closely, and noticed the barrel wasn't turned in even with the frame. Which was slightly canting the front sight. So, luckily I can do basic work myself and turned the barrel and frame to align them better. It's not 100 percent perfect, but it's as close as human hands can get to it. Now shoots proper and dead center. Just sad colt couldn't get it right before it left the factory, especially on a gun that costs this much
As much as I love the fit and finish of Colts, I'm done. Had 2 of the new Colt Cobras and 1 of the new Colt King Cobras. Single action was flawless, shoot double action, light primer strikes. There is no pattern to the light strikes, they're completly random. Sent one Cobra to the Colt mothership [their CS is outstanding, by the way.] and still the same. Had the lower hammer spur break off on the King Cobra and off to the mothership it went. Long story short, the linear leaf spring is a flaw of Colts design. Remember that the earliest Colts were single action and they carried it over to their double actions. Those who doubt this, I refer you to the Colt forums which have many threads bemoaning light primer strikes on double actions that don't have coil mainsprings, including the venerable older models. Of course, coiled mainsprings aren't as smooooth as the Colt linear leaf spring, but when I squeeze the trigger it must go bang every time. Your mileage may vary...
I would love to have another Colt someday, but I also sent my Cobra back 3 times for the same issue and on the third time I told them to keep the weapon. The issue I had was failure of the internal trigger/Hammer assembly due to poor material and build. They were nice enough to offer a replacement and upgrade, but I declined. One of the best shooting revolvers I have owned but too fragile and lacked the dependability. The trigger return was not up to what I expected either.
I have an older blue six inch Python. The cost new at the time was $600. I took it up to Colt and had them do a trigger job on it. I've never shot another double action with a trigger this smooth. Yes I'd love to acquire another Python (New) it the future. Sometimes it's wise to wait until they get the bugs out of the new versions.
I read somewhere that if you are reloading and want reliable firing use federal primers I just got a new python a few weeks ago and so far I’ve only had one light primer strike and I did get the Wilson rear sight because the other sight seems like it moved around even though I tightened the little screw on top
My four inch 2020 was fine. My six inch had quite a jamming problem when rounds were in the cylinder.The hammer would not cock properly on single action. Double action was fine. The cylinder latch was also very rough
@@TargetSuite My mid-90's 686 has a far superior SA- better in fact than any of my other pistols or revolvers, including some high end 1911's- but the Python DA is far better than the one on my Smith. I only shoot revolvers in DA, so the 686 rarely sees range time since I got the Python a couple years ago.
Great video. I bought a brand-new Colt Python wearing walnut grips in 1962. I was using 38 special ammo and was not impressed with the accuracy. I went to my gunsmith and asked him what I was doing wrong, because this gun was supposed to be very accurate. He said try shooting 357 ammo and see if there’s any difference. I did and sure enough I rotated between 38 special wad cutters and 357 mag ammo and the 357 ammo outshot the 38 special wad cutters buy a bunch. He said the gun was designed to shoot 357 but can accommodate 38 special ammo. At the same time, I bought a Colt Diamond back 38 special. With 38 special wad cutters I shot fantastic groups, better than the Colt Python with 357 ammo. I put both in a gorgeous wood case with a glass top and they looked like a matched set.
Whenever I'm putting a new revolver through it's paces I number the cylinders with a label maker. That way I can keep track of which hole might be causing problems. If the revolver is going to be used for hunting I also shoot each hole for groups (6 shots from hole #1, 6 shots from #2..ect....). Some revolvers show no difference between holes, some show a lot. Great video, thank you!
Thanks for the tip. I did that when I was going through my original pawn shop Ruger single six. And it was helpful.
@@TargetSuite I was forced to buy Promag magizine for my carry piece because you can't buy factory any longer. The Promag WORK! But I missed having numbered witness holes. Sharpe to the rescue!
Wow, I’ve never heard of that, what a good idea.
Very good idea on revolvers, I do it all the time. Nothing fancy, just nail polish. Also number your magazines for semi-autos. It can help narrow down feeding problems.
This is an excellent idea!
Very informative video, i inherited a blued 4" Python from my father that was made back in the sixties that was his duty weapon, still shoots great after all these years.
That's fantastic! A great gun with great family history . . . priceless!
Cherish it. My friends Python was his duty sidearm and his son has called "dibs" on it. I was going to offer him $250 for it because it was so old... maybe $300 since we were friends. Hoping he didn't know what it was worth.
@@frankhinkle5772 what a great friend you are!!
@@Tokarev6485 That actually worked for me once, and then I carried that gun for 20 years before he recently asked to buy it back as a family heirloom. Downside; I had to sell it back for the same $250.
@frankhinkle5772 at least you gave it back for what you bought it at. But I would have also let them know how much it was after you gave it back but thats just me.
Nice revolver. So many good sidearms made and available in the USA. Must be hard to choose which one to buy. Thanks for sharing 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Yes. We are blessed with lots of choices! Thanks for watching.
No choosing, really, just accumulate as many as seems personally feasible! Colt, Smith, Ruger all part of the selection... Happiness is a full gun safe! If one is into that sort of thing that is to say. Good luck dealing with your leftist government, we're currently struggling with ours, too.... bureaucrats and politicians are not friends of social freedom and individual liberty.
I have an original 6" Python I bought brand new back in the early 80's and now that I'm getting older, the orange front sight is also getting a bit harder to pick up for me. They are a lot tougher to replace on the older Pythons, but I wouldn't change it anyway as I want to keep the gun factory original. I do want to pick up one of the new 4" Pythons as a range gun...I just love the looks of the 4" model. I'm giving Colt a little more time to tweak them out, but the time for me to jump is getting closer... Your video helped that along!👍
Good luck sir. These new pythons aren't perfect but they sure are smooth.
@@TargetSuiteI wonder if these problems are fixed completely now, my birthdays in a few days and my girlfriends looking to get me a 6 inch version, my all time favorite revolver and a dream gun of mine but I wouldn’t want it if it has problems
I really liked the comparison between single and double action trigger pull back angles. I never really thought about the differences between the 2 angles.
I also liked what you found out about the front vs back site size differences. I never really analyzed that design and the ramifications of the 2 different sizes as it relates to sight picture.
I'll have to look at my pistols and rifles that have sights to see if there is a difference.
I wonder if the size difference is negated/eliminated when the distance becomes greater between the rear and front site when the 2 sites are different sizes.
Thanks for the great detailed review! I had the same misfire issue with my S&W 500 & my handloads with CCI primers. No misfires with Federal primers.
The Wilson Combat sights are a tremendous improvement over the stock Colt sights. 👍👍👍👍
I agree, Frank. The OEM rear sight on my 2020 Python was not securely mounted. The Wilson sight fits like a glove. Too bad Colt didn’t partner with Wilson, as you expect a revolver of this caliber to have excellent sights, like the first generation did.
I installed Wilson sights on my new Python.
I went with a gold bead for a front sight, their U notch rear sight.
Much better quality.
Still have same sights on my original Python I bought in 1976.
Take care.
Yes! Those Wilson Combat sights are fantastic! WC sent me a set and I will be posting a video about that as soon as the extreme heat has passed.
Most definitely, the colt factory sights were junk!!
My rear sight was missing hardware. Literally fell apart in pieces on the trip home.
Colt sent replacement which I bagged up.
Went with Wilson
Thanks for the video. I just love watching a colt in action! You are right about your hand load issue in this testing. I’ve only shot manufacturer ammo and had no misfire issues ever whatsoever with my 2020 python.
I had one of the new Cobra .357 3" and it was a piece of junk, broke just by dry firing, sent to COLT told me it was fixed and I could dry fire, well did so about 30 times and broke again, and then was fixed and I sold it, broke on the new owner, and they sent it to COLT for another repair. I am afraid to buy a COLT PYTHON. It was the trigger would not return and broke. Well I sure hope they got this done RIGHT as I would love a 3" Python yet am afraid to buy a COLT of new make. I had a blue (yes wish they were now in blue favor blue) 3" Python in the 80's or early 90's and never fired it, loved that gun and feel. I carried my personal blue COLT PYTHONG 6" on duty in the late 70's and early 80 before going to a pistol (rules changed). What a wonderful weapon that was an extremely accurate, just oozed confidence.
I can understand how the double-action trigger fall must be shorter, I just didn't realize it's that much shorter. that was an illuminating demonstration, thanks!
Very nice video showcasing the new Colt Python. I've always liked the look of the Python, especially the old Royal Blue finish. However, the Smith&Wesson's were always more in my range of affordability. I really appreciate the hammer fall scale that you fabricated. It was an excellent demonstration and something that I hadn't considered. Nice learning experience for me. Thanks for another great and informative video.
Thanks Wayne! It's always good to hear from you!
Wayne you are so right about the Smith & Wesson's being more in the range of affordability! It's been a long time ago but back in 1979 I bought a new Mod 19 Snub at the local gunstore! At the time I was really checking out the Pythons but the Mod 19 was a good bit cheaper than the Python so I bought the 19. Some months later I followed that purchase with a new 4" Mod 19 with the 3 T's and white outline rear sight and red ramp. Over the years I have enjoyed owning the Mod 19's. And over the years I have managed to pick up a few Pythons as well including the new 2020 version Pythons. If they came out with new Python in Royal Blue I would be the first in line at the local gunstore to pick one up. Really it's hard to go wrong with a Smith & Wesson or a Colt revolver. In fact I have never had any kind of failure on a Smith & Wesson or Colt revolver. Maybe I have just been lucky but they have always worked as expected!
@@kickit59 My first Smith was a 6" Model 27 Highway Patrolman back in '75. Really liked that big N Frame, but traded it for a new 3 Screw Ruger Blackhawk 4-5/8". Wish that I had kept that 27, but I could really draw and shoot, accurately, that Single Action out in the South Texas brush country. Next was a S&W Model 13-1 sometime in the early '80's. In the '90's I added a S&W Model 36 Chiefs Special and a Model 49 Bodyguard. I prefer Ruger for Single Action Revolvers, and S&W for DA revolver in my "stables". Never owned a Colt, except a Series 70 Combat Commander for a short time in the late '80's. If I can find a "good deal" on a 1970's era Royal Blue 4" Python, I'll jump on it with my "snake" catcher. 😊 BTW, my first revolver, ever, was a 3 Screw, 7-1/2" Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine that I bought in early 1968. Sold it off before I left for Viet Nam in 1970. I can't remember what my reasoning was but, like a simpleton, I let that sweet baby go. 🤯
@@kickit59 It's really hard to beat that old 4" Model 19 with the 3T's and that great outlined rear sight. I mostly ran 38 Special through it for practice, and a followed up with a few cylinders of 357 to keep in practice with it. Being a K frame I was reluctant to run full loads on a regular basis because of possible timing issues. When I was out in the brush, however, it was loaded with 357 Super Vel, the old factory hot load of the day back then.
@@waynehajek6346 Wayne there are two no actually three revolvers that I sold during financial downturns that today I really regret. One was a Mod 57 41 Magnum 4" blued in the wood presentation case that I bought new at Warshals Sporting Goods in Seattle over 40 years ago. Another was a mid 70's Python 4" Nickel that was still as new in the box. The last was a 4" Blued Mod 27 that was mint with it's box. One day down the road I will get replacements for all three and I'll be pretty happy about that!
Federal primers are the best for revolvers. Had problem with CCIs in any revolver with a nice trigger. Also when installing the primers, seating them flush isn't enough. Seat them fully even if slightly below flush. The energy of the firing pin gets absorbed pushing the primer in. Also using a .22 is not only more economical it improves your double action trigger pull because they have a heavier trigger pull in order to insure ignition of the rim fire cartridges.
Yup.
Good to know, thanks 👍.
I always thought you were supposed to seat primers like 0.001 to 0.002 below or you're risking a slam-fire (in a semi auto anyway). In fact that's how my Lyman primer tool seats them. I will usually run my thumb over each and every one as I seat them to make sure it's below flush.
That explains it. Thanks.
Wilson Combat makes super high quality click adjustable target rear and red/green fiber optic front or gold bead. And the rear sight fits tightly into the frame with no side to side play. I shoot reloads in my new Pythons and Anacondas using CCI primers and never have had a failure to fire on double action.
My best trigger pulls on S&W revolvers must have Federal primers to prevent light strikes, so your comment was interesting on the CCIs.
Great analysis of hammer fall of single vs double action. I have had my eyes on the Colt Python since it was reintroduced. Hopefully some day! Great video and Great shooting!
~2:50 - I've NEVER seen a guy show a weapon this carefully, slowly and this well. You rock, dude.
I'm just sayin'...
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I tried one of the new model Pythons and I must say with no bias my old model Python made in the 80's has a much smoother trigger pull and very light and crisper single action pull. Oh and that deep rich royal blue that only comes from the old hand picked craftsmen .
I’ve got a few .357 Mags ,I have no need another but some you need to own because there simply a work of art!
My best friend has two 6 inch originals..One blued, one stainless...He needed a little brother for them,, so he found a 6 inch Diamondback .22 in blue...quite the trio.
Sweet!
The sounds from the hand loads are just amazing.
Appreciate the video. It was definitely informative and fun to watch. I recently had the opportunity to shoot one of the newer 6 inch barreled pythons and 3 inch barrel pythons that were purchased within a few weeks of each other from my friend. They were purchased very recently and I had no issues shooting several different types of factory ammo. I shot double action and single action without any issues, so I would venture to say has something to do with your reloads where the problem lies. As far as the accuracy went, it was phenomenal with both. Yes I was at an indoor range, and I wasn’t shooting all that far away but both of them shot extremely accurate and I was very surprised with the results of the 3 inch barrel version, as I was a bit nervous shooting full house 357 magnum, but it did not show that much more recoil, as compared to the 6 inch barrel version at least in my opinion. As far as the sights go, Wilson combat as other reviewers have mentioned, makes some excellent sights for these revolvers. In my opinion, colt should be embarrassed and ashamed knowing that another company had to be the ones to come out with better and no issue sights for there most popular revolver that’s $1500.00! Even though I shot both revolvers well with the factory sights, they are not that great and I agree with your assessment! Colt firearms clearly acknowledged a while back that there was issues with the rear sight coming loose and they also acknowledged that Wilson combat made some new sights for these revolvers. I even spoke with their customer service on the phone about this and they laughed and giggled like school kids, instead of taking responsibility and putting on better sights When they realized there was a problem. They could’ve easily put better sights on or even started automatically putting the Wilson combat sights on for people who are spending this kind of money on their revolvers, but instead they know there’s an issue and they let other people spend $150-$200 more to get decent sights put on they’re revolvers and they’re OK with it??? Colt, I hope you’re reading this comment and I hope you understand that eventually people will buy less of your products when you perform this way.
Colt refused to help me with one of their products years ago. I wasn’t looking for a handout; I started the conversation by saying I was willing to pay them handsomely. They drastically mishandled the situation and lost a customer for life because of it. They do not care what happens after the sale; period.
@@RFTwo I certainly can’t blame you for not wanting to deal with him anymore. I am 48 years old and I have to tell you even to this day, Customer Service means more to me than anything else. If I do not feel like I’m respected and treated right especially after I spent money on A company‘s product, then I will never return and I will unleash my feelings. Some of these companies simply do not care about their customers which is sad, wrong and absolutely ridiculous. I called them a couple times about a holster for a python that would show up on their website and simply be gone in a matter of minutes. I called them and discuss this with them a couple times and they couldn’t explain it and couldn’t verify things or answer questions that I had. Then they gave me information that wasn’t correct. I ended up calling the maker of the holster for colt pythons that sent holsters too cold for the pythons. They gave me all the information I needed and could not understand Colts indiscretions about the product. Sigsauer is another one that I’ve had problems with. Most of their customer service People or agents are rude and have no personality whatsoever. They don’t wanna make any effort to answer questions or do anything for you as the customer. And if I call a company and asked to speak to a manager or somebody that I see on TH-cam and I am told that they’re not able to be spoken to, that’s an immediate turn off for me. That is terrible terrible service and they should be embarrassed
Thanks for another great and very informative video! I also would prefer blued steel but this one is very nice too. Really liked your diagnostics with the toothpicks😊 and sure do appreciate your knowledge and hard work!
Thanks! I always appreciate your comments!
I have a 686-2 that someone ground down the mainspring strain screw to make the double action pull lighter.
Same thing; light strikes with some ammo.
I found original parts and put the gun back to stock.
When you were dry firing I thought that double action hammer strike looked weak.
I really wish Colt would put nice wood grips on those.
These are aftermarket grips. I'll get the original wood grips back from Kevin before I make the next video with this gun.
@@TargetSuite i know rubber absorbs recoil better, but the wood grip allows the gun to roll up in the hand.
I guess it's old school cool.
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I had a 77 Python with the 4 inch barrel and it was a tack driver. Light single action pull and the smoothest double action pull I’ve ever shot. A S&W 686 with a lot of gunsmith work comes a little close.
I also owned a classic Python. The DA was like glass. The new ones don't compare.
VERY close, but no cigar!
I got the exact model in February and had to send it back to fix a cylinder latch binding issue. Colt got it back to me in 3 weeks. Also experienced light primer strikes DA with Speer Lawman 158 gr .38 special but no other brands had that issue. Seems to work as expected now. The fit and finish is excellent now and I’m pleased.
Excellent! Kudos to Colt customer service
Interesting and informative video George, thank you. I have been intrigued with and wanting a Colt Python ever since I saw the 1973 movie Electra Glide In Blue when I was 9 or 10. Big John Wintergreen's (Robert Blake) Python in the "Pinto" finish with the blued frame and nickel cylinder and barrel was the neatest looking revolver I had ever seen. Still haven't bought myself one, but maybe one day I will. For whatever reason the new stainless Python just doesn't seem to scratch the itch, maybe with the deep blue finish it might.
Thanks for your comment. And you know what? The more I handle this the less intrigued I am. It's just not the same as the older royal blue pythons. I know even those older guns had some problems but the Mystique was there!
@@TargetSuite Yes indeed, the old royal blue finish was a thing of beauty and I don't think the mystique will ever go away or be replaced. I haven't fired an original Python in 40 years but I remember the experience. A Fort Worth police officer that was a friend of my dads let me shoot his and it was a pleasure. Thank you for the reply.
I would tend to agree 💯😎🤙
Your experience with the new Colt Python exactly mirrors mine. According to Colt, mine was manufactured in Dec. 2022. I sent it back to Colt and it was returned without any real improvement. CCI 500 primers wouldn't light double action at least 1 out of 6 rds. with my CCI handloads. Remington, and Federal .38 Special factory ammo did fine. Yes it's definitely an ammo queen. Sadly, the only primers that seem currently available are CCI and factory ammo is expensive. I have a few W-W primers and will give them a try. Yes, it does have a couple of "problems". Note. W-W primed handloads worked flawlessly.
Colt customer service is terrible from what I've heard
I'm more wheel gun curious than an old pro. I thought your best info was at the back related to DA vs SA and the misfires. Good stuff!
Hello Sir! Discovered your channel today, liked and subscribed! Really loved watching this, no BS and practical insights into one of the most iconic, modern handguns. Warm regards from Malta, Europe!
Welcome aboard! You are the first of my viewers to identify as being from Malta!
I hope the new ones are better than the old ones. I had 2 of them, the first was right out of the Colt Custom shop bought in '77. It was fragile jumping out of time and accuracy suffered, the forcing cone needed work and it would drag and jam when dirty. I also experienced FTF with it. It looked beautiful but I wouldn't bet my life on it. I'm not impressed by safe queens so I sold it and bought a standard Python in '82 and experienced the exact same problems. I sold that one 3 years later and bought a Trooper MkIII and after shooting it extensively IMHO it was twice the revolver the Python was. In later years I also bought a M66 S&W and a Ruger GP100 and a used Speed 6 also found it's way into my hands, all better weapons than the 2 Pythons I owned.
My Ruger GP100 is a workhorse. Not as pretty as a Python but darn tough and comfortable to shoot. I have a 4.2 inch .357 stainless.
The PROBLEM was those PYTHONS were made TOO recently. The OLD COLTS are the BEST, when they still had COMPETENT SKILLED GUNSMITHS STILL. COLT used to DOMINATE the OLYMPIC SHOOTING TOURNAMENTS BACK IN THE EARLY PART OF THE CENTURY. 🤔😯😉😃😃😃
Ken I'm curious if you have tried the new Kimber .357 revolvers. Expensive yes (1200 bucks), but MAN Im having a great shooting experience with the Kimber. Give one a try.
Pythons were for show, King Cobras were for duty. Owned each, and still own a blued 357 KC because it's just a better tool.
Been there done that myself. IMO the only purpose I see for a python is as a safe queen.
Many years ago this was explained to me by a gunsmith who built revolvers for PPC competition. When cycled in double action the hammer does not go back as far as it does when cocked in single action therefore it does not have as much energy when hitting the primer. If you happen to be shooting something with CCI primers which back then were harder than the other brands you will not have enough impact energy to fire the primers. I can see in your video that when shooting double action the hammer does not go as far back as when cocked in single action. I don't know if rugers or the original pythons work the same way but S&W revolvers do and can have misfires for the same reason.
You can get your stuff
I never have misfire problems with any of my S&W's or Ruger's using CCI primers in handloads, only in the new Python. Federal's primers are the most reliable in my new snake. I wish a mainspring that was a little stronger was available from Colt. Colt refuses to sell us peons parts.
I have a S&W 686 and have never once had a failure to fire. I use CCI primers standard in my 38s and magnum in my 357 and not one issue. Owners are trying to make themselves feel better about this by saying all revolvers do it in double action. That is absolutely NOT the case and the new python is a disgrace to a once fine name.
@@MilitaryTalkGuy I think it is rare but I've seen it happen which is why I had a discussion with a gunsmith about it. This guy builds double action revolvers and built a gun that won Bianchi cup one time. If you watch your gun when operated in double action you can see that the hammer doesn't come back as far as it does in single action.
I bought a King recently and same problem in DA (10 out of a 100, using factory 38 and 357)and immediately sent it back and a month later I got it back. Have not taken to the range but the pull feels harder. Maybe CZ can help them with their triggers. I watched your video completely and I like your competence and you have a new sub.
My Old Man got me a Colt for my 18th Birthday. Never had a miss fire. I have trigger pulls, written down somewhere, on everything I own . 7lbs seems about right but 5lbs sucks. More like 2.5. The first 6 months I owned it I had been loading cast 158 swc max loads. YES George Hard Cast. I cleaned the mold one day and found out they' were 168. Kicked a little more than expected. But not like what was soon to follow. My Dads best friend had moved out to Idaho and became good buddies with one of the locals. When He told this old cowboy I just got a new Colt, He immediately loaded up a whole RG Dunn cigar box full. When we got it I fired 2 rounds and my Dad 1. It got buried in the swamp. Moral of the story don't shoot other peoples hand loads and sometimes your own.
My recent purchase of the Python (new model) was quite a disappointment. Following is the RMA letter I included with Python sent back to Colt. All identifying info has been scrubbed.
Folks -
I recently took took possession of my new model Python. Upon unpackaging, several issues came to light.
1: The barrel is misaligned to the frame. Looking down the sight window, the front sight is canted to the right. Looking down the muzzle, it’s even more obviously canted to the left. When the barrel was torqued to the frame, it needed to be screwed on the tiniest bit more. Colt QC clearly missed this, but I know you can quickly correct it. Thanks.
2: Python triggers are legendary. My double action trigger is a thing of glory; my single action most definitely is not. I understand positive sear angle, but the single action trigger on this gun draws the hammer almost 1/64” to the rear before a heavy release. Some research suggests that this is done deliberately at the factory to satisfy some absurd California and Massachusetts dropped gun requirements. I live in a Southern state. We like our guns and we don’t drop them. The Colt customer service rep I spoke with said you are not allowed to tune the single action. C’mon guys - I suspect you all have Pythons of your own and that your single action triggers are tuned to perfection. I want that too. I promise to look the other way while a technician mounts the trigger and hammer onto their jig and takes a few passes with a file to make the trigger pull what it can and should be. As Sargent Shultz from “Hogans Hero’s” famously said, “I know nothing!” I want to show this revolver off to my shooting buddies. Right now, I feel I need to apologize for it. This isn’t what either of us wants.
3: There is ~ 0.002 end shake in the cylinder. I’m guessing this is withing spec, but any end shake at all in a premier revolver like this is too much. I plan to shoot this a lot, and the battering the ratchet pad will take will shorten the gun’s life. Please fix this.
I’ve wanted a Python since I started shooting (decades ago). Now I have one. I ask you to please make this the revolver I thought I was buying. I know you can do this.
Thanks and regards,
I have an old royal blue Python 6" barrel, highly accurate. Haven't looked at the new version. Looks nice. Love that model 17!! Envious. LOL
Another very good video! Very informative as usual. Always enjoy learning about guns even ones I don’t own.
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CZ did a nice job on this revolver.
A great job might justify the price.
To be fair outside of Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and Italy, CZ of Czech Republic is the best firearm manufacturer of Europe.
The revolver existed before CZ purchased the company, and the new Colt Python was designed by Americans and assembled by Americans in America. Why are you giving Colt all the credit?
How so? They are ammo sensitive. Revolvers arent supposed to be ammo sensitive. These are NOT reliable.
@ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE still have had 0 issues with Ruger GP100 and Blackhawk .357 Magnum or Ruger LCR .327 Federal Magnum. Even old .32 S&W loads from the 40s fired in that LCR.
Anxious to see if you can get your hands on one of the new Henry revolvers, and review it. I'm looking forward to the TH-cam community's thoughts.
I have a 6" that I upgraded with Wilson Combat Sights, as well as original grips, and I have a 3" also with Wilson sights and service grips. I love them both, but both still have trouble going through my reloads reliably, however, they have no problems with factory ammo. I will say that both did have to go back to the factory. The 6" for a cosmetic issue with a burr inside the trigger guard where the side plate met the frame, and the 3" because one cylinder would fail to rotate in single action, only when loaded. Both are fixed. Both have had those cheap thin smooth grips replaced and the sights as well and they're very accurate and easy to shoot well.
Thanks for your comment. I have a couple of different sights that I'm going to cover in the next video and one of them is that fantastic sight from Wilson Combat.
@@TargetSuite The Wilson sights are a tremendous upgrade from the ACRO style sights on the 2020 PY's and for sure they are worth the cost. I have the gold bead and U notch combination on mine and it is a tack driver.
I have had double action pistols that wouldn't fire ammo with hard primers , but fired if you pulled the hammer back .
Great video and gun . You have a blessed one my friend .
Thank you Spencer!
I have a mint 6in Python made in 1960. I've had it about 35yrs. Saw lots of use as a Bullseye gun with .38 Special wadcutters. Action is slick as a snail on a grease pan. I want to shoot it side by side with a new one. Saw a few pre-owned 6in guns for around $1500 at local shops, but they didn't stay on the shelf very long.
Yep I have one from the 1960s as well. No handgun is finer!
Very interesting video. Was curious about the new Pythons. Not in the market for another revolver right now, but this is good to know.
I shot a 4" Python a couple times back in 1975 when I was first learning to shoot. The sights were better than I was able to shoot, so I had no room to complain. This will be interesting.
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I hope they can keep the screws from falling out.
The Python is the best looking revolver ever made. As for a daily use gun, the original Python was too delicate. Colt beefed up the frame and internal parts to be more rugged in the new Pythons so it's not as delicate as the original. They're beautiful revolvers but I'd pick a Ruger GP100 357 over the Colt because any gun I own is going to be used and the GP100 is the strongest, most rugged DA revolver made. I'll still say that the Python is the best looking DA revolver ever made by any company. Even people that know nothing about guns will recognize the Python. But I'll always take function over fashion. Most 1911 enthusiasts would fall over dead if they saw my 4" 1911 45. Two different grip panels and a lot of grip tape. She's not the prettiest pistol around but I set her up to fit my hands and shooting style perfectly. As long as she goes boom every time I pull the trigger I'm not concerned about looks. I'd do the same with a Python or a $10,000 Wilson Combat Custom 1911. Looks won't save your life.
I like your style! While I really appreciate craftsmanship, as an engineer I also really appreciate function.
IMO the nickle plated 27 outshines the Python in looks, but when I bought my first duty gun I passed on a used Indiana state police python for new Ruger Security Six. I kept that until I was issued a Smith model 64.
Speaking as a Smith & Wesson revolver fanatic, I must admit that you are 100% absolutely, totally and completely correct!
Lighter hammer inertia in DA mode. If I wanted a Python, it'd be an original from 1980's to 1990's.
Good title and as others have said, federal primers are softer. I’ve had problems with older Colt Detective Specials in double action, but not with federal ammo.
Interesting! As you know I'm new to this double action shooting game so there's a lot for me to learn here.
Thanks for the video. I have a 3-inch. Very nice gun (coming from a S&W fan). I shoot mine DA. It has a very nice DA stroke. I shoot heavy-loaded .38 Specials (AKA: Skeeter loads) in mine. I augmented the sights with front/rear Wilson sights with a gold bead up front. Service stocks and a Tyler T-grip make it a perfect belt gun. Mine is new and looks as though all of the teething issues have been resolved.
Never owned a Colt Snake Gun, but plenty of Smith and Wesson 586 "s and 686"s never had a Problem with either, shooting Reloads or Factory ammo and never did so called trigger Jobs....
Some of your best camera work by far. Those close-ups of the Python, with the soft jazz in the background... MmmmmMMMMm.
Thanks!
I just picked up one of the new production Anaconda’s, not as polished of a finish as the python but beautiful nonetheless. Incredible double action trigger. Nice video
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I like the look of the Anaconda. Cool choice
Colt had over 20 years to get thier scat together with the reintroduction of the Python and Anaconda and craped the bed on its reintroduction. It's a beautiful gun but here are my gripes. Quality control while first batches being pushed out were in inexcusable. That said, I have the 2020 6 inch Python and a 2022 6 inch Anaconda. Speaking of the Python the trigger pull is heavy but smooth. The rear sight is a joke and the one who designed it, and his cronie who approved it should be looking for a job at Mattel. Roll mark's should of been of the original style. The front sight, a improvement but stops short of the Smith and Wesson superior tooless swap out. Price is riding on the old pony name as a 686 is cheaper and IMO better.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, on your close look I saw a nick on the barrel crown at 4 o'clock clear as hell, you'll see it on your video at 3:35 minutes. Take a look at it. I like the gun blue more also with wood grips . I like your shop setup NICE !
I had to go back and relook at that also. That's not a Nick that's one of the lands.
As always, very informative. Always good to see you my friend. Beautiful revolver. I never like red for the color of the front sight post either. Being partially color blind to red and green, in low light conditions, I don't pick up the red. White is the only color of front sight I use.
Thanks Max. It's good to hear from you as well!
It might be interesting to cover the venerable Dan Wesson, which dominated Metallic Silhouette shooting for a decade.
Nice video, George! I think your new nickname, if you keep on shooting magnum loads all the time, should be, "Flinch." That's what I'd be doing after shooting that many rounds.
Ross Seyfried wrote some great articles on SA vs DA shooting. He found he was inherently more accurate shooting DA for two reasons. First, the shorter hammer fall distance, which you so expertly pointed out with your "computer-generated" graph :)) He had less time to throw the shot. Second, it was harder for him to anticipate when the shot would break. That short-circuited his flinch response. He found he would tend to flinch more often shooting SA. My old eyes had a hard time seeing the differences with the sights, but I agree, after looking at a new Python at the shop, that front sight is too wide.
I also shoot my 2020 Python better DA. The DA pull is so smooth you can't tell when it's going to break and this does cut flinch after 50 or so full house 357 rounds.
Tom, I hadn't thought about the double action lack of flinch but I think you are spot on. Now I'm really motivated😉
@@TargetSuite I'll send you my usual bill. :))
I have owned 4 Pythons in my. 60+ years of skills and accuracy development. I love some S&W’s (especially older recessed cylinder models) and some of the quality built Ruger products. The Python is at the top of the heap. I have my eye on the new model 3” if I can break open the wallet.
I had a Colt Python and I didn't really care for the action on the gun and on top of that the cylinder spins backwards on rotation but it is a very attractive piece you want a superior gun buy a Smith & Wesson model 27 or Model 66 you will be much happier
I could never afford a Python. But the Trooper Mk III, was called the poor man’s Python and, to be honest, they shoot just fine for me. 6” and 8 3/8” barrels sure shot nice!
Others are speaking well of that gun as well!
I had a Trooper Mk III in the early '80's; it was the most accurate 357 I have every had; shot some straight! I could hit paper plate size targets at 100 with ease. Closer shots were so percise. I shot a hovering Bumble Bee out of the air on a dare. Love those bee's now!
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Sure wish i still had mine 🇺🇸
The MK III Trooper is a whole different animal than the original Trooper- which actually did have a Python frame and action. The MK III is nothing close to the original Trooper.
I just got one a week ago. Really like it. I did have a misfire myself but I thought maybe I didn't closed the cylinder all the way. Planning to go out soon to test it again.
The old Army Specials are my favorite
Great video! Thanks for the info. Keep up the good work!
Yup . Me n my buddy have been plinking .22lr and my gp100. . . You are totaly corect, great plinking. Greg
I purchased the 6" version last year with ZERO buyer's remorse. Put 85' series Deer Hollow reproduction/original grips, gold bead Wilson Combat front sight and a Wilson Combat rear 'u' sights on the gun. It's perfection. LOVE firing this gun.
I had the same issues plus my cylinder locked completely up in single action. Sent it back they rep,aced some items and it came back no issues and even though I had issues they resolved them and the gun runs like a dream.
There's nothing like good customer service.
Thank you George. I'm glad Colt still alive even more with Zeska blood. Hopefully Colt will run better and expo sales will help the Co. Keep it up George.
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I learned things here. Very cool. Thanks
Thanks for stopping by!
Great job, can't wait for the next video
I had the same problem on some harder primers. Milled about .005” off the hammer stop so it engages the transfer bar a little more and no more problems. 11:25
Thank you for a very informative and enjoyable review. Much appreciated.
Thank you. Good info. Straight forward teacher.
It's frustrating that some firearm manufacturers don't put more thought into their sights. I have a couple of revolvers that should be a joy to shoot except the sights are nearly impossible to see. The fact that you have to look for aftermarket sights after paying 1500 for a revolver is ridiculous.
I agree.
Nice video i hope the new ones are stronger actions. I had two Pythons one late 70’s other early 80’s and both were fantastic 38 Specials but they shot out of time quickly with a steady diet of 357’s. The only good thing to come from them is they led me to the Ruger Security Six and ultimately the GP100 both so which 30 and 35+ years later are still running strong. I think they get pissed at me if I load mere 38’s they want power.
From what I've learned, they have really beefed up the new pythons so they don't fall out of time and the frames don't stretch. I hope that is true, for Kevin's sake.
I am happy that your new Python has excellent fit and finish. I was so excited when the King Cobra was released that I bought one sight unseen in 2019. It was far from perfect. The trigger reset had multiple clicks and sometimes the trigger didn’t engage properly. Colt “customer service” claimed the gun was working as intended. I rarely sell a firearm but that one is gone and I have no regrets.
I have more than one Colt double action revolver made in 1960 or earlier. There is no comparison between those fine firearms and that 2019 King Cobra. None.
Mine was a rattletrap piece of trash too.
@chipsterb4946 I get what you're saying. This one is really polished up nice, and it has a fantastic double action trigger pull, but the rear sight has .015" of slop, side to side, the front sight and single action pull are like something you would find on a Taurus or worse. At least the bone are there.
My new Python is awesome in every way except the sights are crap. I ordered the Wilson Combat sights for it and am anxiously awaiting there arrival. I think that will make it better. My only complaint is that you shouldn't have to replace the sights on a new 1500 dollar pistol. Colt needs to do better than that.
Looking forward to the update!
Beautiful pistol, I have a Ruger 357 mag vaquero single action that I love but would love to have colt python.
I appreciate the shorter DA vs longer SA data points. Makes sense but I had never heard it before. Even an old dog can learn new information. Thanks
I just got the S&W Model 57-5 Mountain Gun .41 Mag (NIB) mfg.2005 Had light primer strikes on hand load and factory. Had to install extended internal firing pin. Love the Python and after getting the 57-5 Unicorn....Python 4" is next!
Your misfires were handloads…so it was definitely components. My 2023 python has been flawless so far…until it gets dirty.
Just bought a 4.25 version like the one you shot. Havent shot it yet so later this week we'll see how it does. Also ordered the wilson rear sight to put on it. I have a 6 inch royal i bought new in 1976. It has a better single action pull. The new one has a better double action pull
A lot of guys are commenting about that Wilson rear sight. I'll definitely put one on my Anaconda if I get it.
Just colt being colt; low to mid-tier performance with a top-tier price.
Certainly NOT the Staccato price it?
Have the same 4 incher. Absolutely the finest.
Got a old school blue 6 inch from the day. Love that one too.
Great review.
Thanks. I appreciate that!
Yeah.... The Colt Python is very nice. Beautiful in fact. Fit and finish is top notch. I saw one at one of my local stores, looked it over, and was impressed. Then I saw the price tag,... ouch! A few minutes later I was at another store where I saw a S&W 686. Not as polished, but it'll get the job done, and for a lot less. Now I have a 686. After 150 rounds and some dry fire practice, the trigger is becoming very good.
George, Great video on a fantastic gun, but that Smith and Wesson model 17 Combat Masterpiece stole the show!...those are magnificent in every sense of the word! ....just my 2c worth.....Best Regards D.
You may need to use that in the future to prevent the British Crown from taking it from you. Someone wants them and I think the crown is involved.
Great video and I’m tempted to get one. BTW, which artist was that on your Birdseye Blues you played during the “fit and finish” segment? (Do you have iTunes link for download?)
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Picked up a new anaconda last Saturday. Got it home and tried sighting it in and just couldnt. With the rear sight all the way to the right, it was still shooting left. So I sat there looking it over really closely, and noticed the barrel wasn't turned in even with the frame. Which was slightly canting the front sight. So, luckily I can do basic work myself and turned the barrel and frame to align them better. It's not 100 percent perfect, but it's as close as human hands can get to it. Now shoots proper and dead center. Just sad colt couldn't get it right before it left the factory, especially on a gun that costs this much
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Very nice presentation 👏
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Those are strong handloads. Love it.
As much as I love the fit and finish of Colts, I'm done. Had 2 of the new Colt Cobras and 1 of the new Colt King Cobras. Single action was flawless, shoot double action, light primer strikes. There is no pattern to the light strikes, they're completly random. Sent one Cobra to the Colt mothership [their CS is outstanding, by the way.] and still the same. Had the lower hammer spur break off on the King Cobra and off to the mothership it went. Long story short, the linear leaf spring is a flaw of Colts design. Remember that the earliest Colts were single action and they carried it over to their double actions. Those who doubt this, I refer you to the Colt forums which have many threads bemoaning light primer strikes on double actions that don't have coil mainsprings, including the venerable older models. Of course, coiled mainsprings aren't as smooooth as the Colt linear leaf spring, but when I squeeze the trigger it must go bang every time. Your mileage may vary...
Great comment. Thanks!
I would love to have another Colt someday, but I also sent my Cobra back 3 times for the same issue and on the third time I told them to keep the weapon. The issue I had was failure of the internal trigger/Hammer assembly due to poor material and build. They were nice enough to offer a replacement and upgrade, but I declined. One of the best shooting revolvers I have owned but too fragile and lacked the dependability. The trigger return was not up to what I expected either.
The movie Magnum Force is what got me interested in .357 especially the Colt Python that was used in the movie
Maybe one of the first modern revolvers where there's a market for stronger aftermarket springs. Maybe Wolff will come up with something.
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No doubt someone could make a lot of money marketing a heavier V-spring!
I have an older blue six inch Python. The cost new at the time was $600. I took it up to Colt and had them do a trigger job on it. I've never shot another double action with a trigger this smooth. Yes I'd love to acquire another Python (New) it the future. Sometimes it's wise to wait until they get the bugs out of the new versions.
I read somewhere that if you are reloading and want reliable firing use federal primers I just got a new python a few weeks ago and so far I’ve only had one light primer strike and I did get the Wilson rear sight because the other sight seems like it moved around even though I tightened the little screw on top
Love this gun so much but not for $1600, ended up buying a S&W 686 plus 7 shot for almost half. But still love the Python and Anaconda.
My four inch 2020 was fine. My six inch had quite a jamming problem when rounds were in the cylinder.The hammer would not cock properly on single action. Double action was fine. The cylinder latch was also very rough
I might consider one in Colt Royal Blue.
Excellent review as usual. How about a side by side comparison with the S&W 686.
Great idea. I'll see if I can round one up.
@@TargetSuite My mid-90's 686 has a far superior SA- better in fact than any of my other pistols or revolvers, including some high end 1911's- but the Python DA is far better than the one on my Smith. I only shoot revolvers in DA, so the 686 rarely sees range time since I got the Python a couple years ago.
Great video. I bought a brand-new Colt Python wearing walnut grips in 1962. I was using 38 special ammo and was not impressed with the accuracy. I went to my gunsmith and asked him what I was doing wrong, because this gun was supposed to be very accurate. He said try shooting 357 ammo and see if there’s any difference. I did and sure enough I rotated between 38 special wad cutters and 357 mag ammo and the 357 ammo outshot the 38 special wad cutters buy a bunch. He said the gun was designed to shoot 357 but can accommodate 38 special ammo.
At the same time, I bought a Colt Diamond back 38 special. With 38 special wad cutters I shot fantastic groups, better than the Colt Python with 357 ammo.
I put both in a gorgeous wood case with a glass top and they looked like a matched set.
Glass case, wow. Do you wank after polishing them?
I’m waiting until they reissued the blued version