I do not really like Ken Livingstone however on this occasion he is right, the Police work for the people not a private company who own a shopping mall
I find it worrying that not just one BUT two police officers would rather chase a politician just for quietly filming on a premises, than be on the look out for crime. Gives you the feeling Police favour private corporations than the actual public. More proof of a divided country.
Ken Livingstone is not one of my heroes but I applaud his action here. The police are not and never should be at the beck and call of corporations. We all know that they tend to side with them so it is gratifying to see them given the dust off. Dont they look perplexed.
Very pleased to see Ken showing people how to make a stand against police who very strangely don't know that you cannot serve two masters - certainly they aren't paid by Westfields ....... are they ? Ken ! your doing a great job - much appreciated. IFN News.
Its true. Its all about consent & contract, all taxes, all bills, all laws need consent, even more so in a bankrupt country like UK, don't let them trap you into stand under authority, and when they use blacks dictionary, say nothing except you do not consent. They will twist legal words to trap you, btw, well done Ken.
Extension of definition of “public place” in Public Order Act 1936. . For the definition of “public place” in section 9(1) of the M4 Public Order Act 1936 there shall be substituted- “Public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise ”.
It's private property, access can be revoked at any time, against any person, without reason and thus it moves into trespass which is a criminal matter. They were asked to leave, they refused, they are now trespassing.
Thick coppers. Sad to see how many these days protect corporations without question whilst the majority of us have to wait 3 or 4 days until they turn up.
I agree with ken on this but Ken livingston had a chilrens abuse home destroyed for private homes too be built on. It should have been excavated as there is believed to be childen buried in there. shocking.
Exactly what I would have done as a policeman. Conversation goes: (big corporation) Stop Ken filming. He us breaking the law. (police) Hi Ken. Stop filming. (ken) Nope. I'm not breaking the law. (police) Hi big corporation. Ken is OK as he said he is not breaking the law.
This isn’t a public space. Westfields is a private company which owns the building and in which retailers rent space. It would be exactly the same as if you were renting your garage or front living room The fact it is privately owned and the public are invited to freely enter BUT under certain conditions is the crux. This is contractural. It will be the same with a pub or shop or football stadium. Once these places close up for the night, you enter, without permission, you are now trespassing. Once you enter by assumed invitation and you breach one of those conditions of entry (corporate filming) and are asked to leave, you are now trespassing. If the conditions are that no corporate filming should take place without prior permission then argue it elsewhere. Whatever their reasons, it is still a condition of entry. The dedicated Westfields policing team are not employed by Westfield’s NEITHER do they work for the mayor of London (showing your egomaniac tendencies there ex mayor) but are answerable only to the law of the land. They were set up to deal with the specific POLICING problems that a place like Westfield attracts, exactly like any community policing team dealing with their own beats or specific schools officers dealing with the schools on their patch. If they were called, there BY ANYONE and they would have responded in the same way if Livingstone had dialled on his mobile, they must first establish if any offences are taking place or have taken place and from anyone and that will include the Westfield’s security staff. The second thing is to mediate which the officer was attempting and to do and to explain the legal aspects. Which he was trying to do. Ken Livingstone. You really are an arsehole. You a PROVEN anti Semite racist alcoholic who is now a has been. An irrelevant. One of the worst mayors London has ever had and a complete moron.
He asked the officer if any crime is being committed - the police officer responded no . It would of been up to Westfield to enforce that through the civil courts - which of course they had absolutely no intention of doing. As for your last paragraph - what a load of embittered bile.
Well done Ken Livingston, a politician with a backbone there's a rare sight
funny that, he knows the law better than them.
I do not really like Ken Livingstone however on this occasion he is right, the Police work for the people not a private company who own a shopping mall
Livingstone is or was probably the best politician we have/had.
I find it worrying that not just one BUT two police officers would rather chase a politician just for quietly filming on a premises, than be on the look out for crime. Gives you the feeling Police favour private corporations than the actual public. More proof of a divided country.
But look and run the other way when faced with a pedophile Politician!
Well done Ken xx
Ken Livingstone is not one of my heroes but I applaud his action here. The police are not and never should be at the beck and call of corporations. We all know that they tend to side with them so it is gratifying to see them given the dust off. Dont they look perplexed.
Second police man well and truly put in his place he's just realised he's lost face 😂
Ken Livingstone is proper English. Love the politeness
Obviously a very popular man around this place.
KENNY HAS NOW EARNED 200 BROWNIE POINTS FROM ME. I HAVE MAXIMUM RESPECT FOR THIS OL BOY.
Private companies do not own public spaces and if that's their attitude i will STOP spending , then watch them go bust
what a legend
We love ken one of the realist to do it.
I just love this. I would love to watch the full version of this....
The cops would have nicked Joe Bloggs but Ken is high profile and can fight back with the law.
We are all under the same law and if we learnt even the basics we could and should all fight back!
Within seconds
uttaradit2 why me?
The first time the officer opened his mouth he lied.He said he was part of Westfield Police.
Very pleased to see Ken showing people how to make a stand against police who very strangely don't know that you cannot serve two masters - certainly they aren't paid by Westfields ....... are they ? Ken ! your doing a great job - much appreciated. IFN News.
You tell them Ken do some real work , supposed to be civil servents
KEN is a great man !
Sir Ken is one of us
EXACTLY, EDUCATE THE POLICE.. THEY DO NOT WORK FOR PRIVATE CORPORATIONS..WELL SAID, GOOD MAN KEN
I love Ken Livingstone
10 out of 10 Ken great man
Awesome Ken
Superb video. Well handled Ken.
This is the kind of leader the UK needs. One who will stand up for peoples rights.
Nice one Ken!
Brilliant... well done Ken
Catching real criminal's is dangerous.
Its true. Its all about consent & contract, all taxes, all bills, all laws need consent, even more so in a bankrupt country like UK, don't let them trap you into stand under authority, and when they use blacks dictionary, say nothing except you do not consent. They will twist legal words to trap you, btw, well done Ken.
Good old Ken! 'Illegitimus non carborundum!'
And that's how you put them in their place.
top man. good luck mate. curry on the good work
gorgeous George.
Ken the DUDE!
Nice one ken.
You can see with the second copper especially he doesn't know what to do. What a state.
Red Ken, the man the legend.
I LOVE THIS
Ken Livingstone was the best mayor
Ken is my hero
When you know the law..... Xxx
Ken Livingstone good standing, for public recording in public
Priceless
Extension of definition of “public place” in Public Order Act 1936.
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For the definition of “public place” in section 9(1) of the M4 Public Order Act 1936 there shall be substituted-
“Public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise ”.
He’s got a point!
welldone !
I love it, plods couldn't work it out could they
ken told the Babylon to jog on ha ha! so funny !
in spite of all the hullabaloo about supposed antisemitism,ken is one of the good guys.
zet ze maar eens goed op hun nummer
goegedaan vpro
It's private property, access can be revoked at any time, against any person, without reason and thus it moves into trespass which is a criminal matter. They were asked to leave, they refused, they are now trespassing.
brilliant
I've met Ken livingstone
BRILLIANT!
Is this part of a longer movie?
Thick coppers. Sad to see how many these days protect corporations without question whilst the majority of us have to wait 3 or 4 days until they turn up.
Ken is the man!
what a guy
Well done!!!?
Haha go on Ken my son!
faking legend Ken!
So what happens to the rest of us when told to stop filming?
WHO PAYS THE POLICE THEIR FUCKING WAGES ? , OH SILLY ME , MUST BE FUCKING WESTFIELD?.
Love you Ken
Those cops sure had a bad day lol
I agree with ken on this but Ken livingston had a chilrens abuse home destroyed for private homes too be built on. It should have been excavated as there is believed to be childen buried in there. shocking.
go on Ken get em told rate bloke
Dear God, there are some stupid Police officers on our streets! Lord help us!
hahahaha a treu legend :D
would have been different story if basic member of public filming . .
Police crapped it because of who he was shows what a title can give
Exactly what I would have done as a policeman. Conversation goes: (big corporation) Stop Ken filming. He us breaking the law. (police) Hi Ken. Stop filming. (ken) Nope. I'm not breaking the law. (police) Hi big corporation. Ken is OK as he said he is not breaking the law.
Ken was right and so would you be if you said what he did!
I love the police and Ken :)
Yeah but it's not ken that would get arrested but the camerman. Nice one Ken
UK cops are really badly trained... of they don't care about the law.
I do like Ken Livingstone, I just disagree with his congestion charge
I just goes to show how lost the police.
Where's the rest of the film? obviously it didn't turn out good if the film ends there?
Hehehehe
I wouldn't even solicit with them. If the pol-ic-e turn up and you've not committed a crime don't talk to them plus they're most probably paedophiles.
This isn’t a public space. Westfields is a private company which owns the building and in which retailers rent space. It would be exactly the same as if you were renting your garage or front living room
The fact it is privately owned and the public are invited to freely enter BUT under certain conditions is the crux. This is contractural. It will be the same with a pub or shop or football stadium. Once these places close up for the night, you enter, without permission, you are now trespassing. Once you enter by assumed invitation and you breach one of those conditions of entry (corporate filming) and are asked to leave, you are now trespassing. If the conditions are that no corporate filming should take place without prior permission then argue it elsewhere. Whatever their reasons, it is still a condition of entry.
The dedicated Westfields policing team are not employed by Westfield’s NEITHER do they work for the mayor of London (showing your egomaniac tendencies there ex mayor) but are answerable only to the law of the land. They were set up to deal with the specific POLICING problems that a place like Westfield attracts, exactly like any community policing team dealing with their own beats or specific schools officers dealing with the schools on their patch. If they were called, there BY ANYONE and they would have responded in the same way if Livingstone had dialled on his mobile, they must first establish if any offences are taking place or have taken place and from anyone and that will include the Westfield’s security staff. The second thing is to mediate which the officer was attempting and to do and to explain the legal aspects. Which he was trying to do.
Ken Livingstone. You really are an arsehole. You a PROVEN anti Semite racist alcoholic who is now a has been. An irrelevant. One of the worst mayors London has ever had and a complete moron.
He asked the officer if any crime is being committed - the police officer responded no . It would of been up to Westfield to enforce that through the civil courts - which of course they had absolutely no intention of doing.
As for your last paragraph - what a load of embittered bile.