I adored this video! Clive Barker has been one of my heroes since the mid-90's when I first got into Hellraiser and then his Books of Blood short story collection. Infact, one of big reasons I loved the new Hellraiser movie (I've been calling it a remix! haha) is because so much of it reminds me of Clive's the Books of Blood stories. Down on their luck weirdos (usually marginalized people) getting caught up horrifying situations that are so much bigger than them! I watched an interview thing where the writers basically confirmed this. Although, they mentioned The Damnation Game, Weaveworld etc it still feels very Books of Blood to me. I think it nailed that vibe, which is why I loved Odessa A'zion performance as Riley especially on my rewatch. Although, I do think the remix is pulling more from Clive's The Damnation Game more than Hellraiser in some ways. The whole Faustian bargain is a perfect example of that! When David Bruckner says he understood the assignment about Clive's work I think he absolutely did, but from different areas of Clive's work! He gets some of it, but I still think he could've upped the sex, gore and griminess (the apartment where Riley lived should've been filthy!) But I think that's just him because in The Ritual he made the freaking outdoors so clean! It's literally the cleanest forest in horror haha I like the new Cenobite designs because they're different. I watched a whole freaking video on Ed Martinez's youtube channel about how they made them. It's great check it out! The original Hellraiser is basically part of my DNA at this point. I don't compare the remix (yes, I'm still calling it that) and the original. They're very much separate things to me. I don't compare Doug and Jaime either. I'm just happy that a new Hellraiser movie is being made by people who care about the series. Whether you like it or not, you can definitely tell they care. I just recently watched Hellraiser Hellworld and the ending pissed me off so much. I never get angry at movies like that, but it made me so angry! The ending was overthought, stupid and insulted my intelligence. I'm not over it! Last thing, I know this is going to be one of my favorite videos of yours maybe ever. I love Clive Barker so much and seeing him get recognized like this makes me so happy. I've been a huge of his for such a long time and his influence has largely faded a bit which sucks. With the new Hellraiser his work is finally being talked about again! He has so many amazing novels and short stories that I can't recommend enough. The Hellbound Heart and Books of Blood are great places to start cause they're so short with a low time commitment! Anyway, can't thank you enough for making this Kylie! I know I'll be rewatching this several more times over the next few weeks (probably starting tomarrow!). You did an amazing job! One of my fav youtubers talking about one of my horror idols. Better than I could've hoped. I sincerely mean that, and I retweeted the video haha
An old boss of mine back when I worked for the studios worked with Clive Barker and said he is absolutely the most amazing artist he ever worked with. I honestly feel that he doesn't get enough attention in the horror community.
This was by far the best review of both film's but the new one especially. I felt the same in every way about every character and plot in general. Also all the behind the scenes info was top notch . This was one of the most phenomenal reviews I've ever seen.
This was SO comprehensive and enjoyable! First video I've ever seen of yours and I'm absolutely in love with your style, intelligence, insight, passion and love of this genre! I adore the fact that you delved into all of those complex themes that were so deeply embedded in the original in the original. I subbed to your channel and I'm excited to see more of your content! Horror has been my life for as long as i can remember, but i vividly remember seeing the first Hellraiser film in the theater when i was 11 and it was the last time i ever really felt scared again. Seeing Frank being ripped apart was like my metaphorical horror cherry being popped and i never looked back, lol. P.S. I wrote my own review when i first saw the re-boot as well. ;)
This was such a cool, thorough breakdown. Your point about how the remake should have leaned into Riley seeking more of the sensations that drugs give her. That exploration could have made for a REALLY cool movie. I was sort-of expecting that upon the first viewing, but I hadn't thought about it again until you said it. This video is phenomenal. 🙌🖤⛓️
Hands down I find Julia to be a far more interesting villain than even pinhead. Especially with how her arc turns out in the sequel. I very much like to pretend those are the only movies in this franchise that exist. That and the new one. I went weak for some of that cinematography man. Made me wish it played in a theatre!
Now you got me in the mood for some 1987 "Hellraiser", and opened an entire new, heightened appreciation for the film, even more than I had before. (you also nailed everything I feel about the 2022 film - no characters, no vibes, no nothing for me). So in these regards, your video and analysis was - may I say so - indeed sexy. You do tremendous research and wonderful presentation, some of the best videos I have seen on TH-cam. It's thorough and grounded, always brings new aspects, and so much joy. Thank you for all of you do. You're one of a kind!!
Damn, this is a top tier breakdown/mini-documentary/commentary. You showed some behind the scenes stuff I didn't even know about and I like the original even more now. Also you convinced me to give the new one a chance. Kinda wrote it off as yet another modern remake of a movie that doesn't need one. But you made the two dimensions mixing up and especially the new Pinhead performance seem really intriguing. Although I am still very disappointed that they got rid of all the sexuality, eroticism and wetness, which you're spot on about. Also, can we expect you to do a vid on Terrifier 2? Really interested in your take, especially with the characters, story and lore. And the gore of course cause it goes places other modern movies just don't. It also has a ton of behind the scenes stuff and interesting, funny and absolutely wholesome interviews
Excellent video. It's also worth noting that Clive Barker wrote the source material for Candyman, another effective horror classic. It's quite rare that a contemporary writer has two established horror franchises on his or her resume. Barker also wrote Nightbreed and Lord of Illusions; not quite up to Hellraiser's standard, but perfectly watchable.
I loved your Channel and sassyness! Also your video made me motivated to see the first hellraiser, commenting because i love your vibes and big data stuff lol.
This was awesome. I'm glad you finally did a video on the original Hellraiser. It's a favorite of mine. The first 4 are really along with this new reboot. The rest are a slap to the face to a hard-core fan like myself. They weren't even Hellraiser films from the start. Just detective films with pinhead and other Cenobites shoehorned in. No respect for what came before. I wish more of The Books of Blood were made into films. Hellraiser or the novel The Hellbound Heart is just one excellent story within the Books of Blood. So many great stories. Awesome video.
I loved Jamie Clayton in Sese8. It is so great to see her land a role like this. She's amazing, and she nailed the Hellpriest perfectly. This was the first time since the Hellraiser 2 that I felt like I was watching the character from the book. I'm really hoping this acts as a springboard to more roles for her.
Kind of blows my mind that I was only pumped for Halloween Ends and it happens that Hellraiser 2022 blew that movie out of the water.I always prefer the book but both movies were amazing. I also 100% agree the score is the best in all horror.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 2 and 3 are both bad movies ... I never much understood why part 2 gets a pass. I actually thought 3 was more fun to watch. 2 is an absolute mess other than some good visuals and the music.
@@Fiveash-Art There's an unused/unfinished scene in Hellraiser 2 that I wish they put in. It's on youtube. It shows the cenobites in surgeon gowns, and they chase after Kirsty. I found it quite disturbing and would have made that movie better if it was finished and looked good.
@@robzreelz I would've liked to see that. I'm still really hoping they do a sequel for this new version. They could go completely surreal like they did with the original Hellraiser 2 .. exploring hell even more. More M.C. Escher stylized portals and landscapes. In the new movie I was happy they continued on with those particular visual concepts during the transitional sequences where the cenobites entered our reality, .. the interlinking puzzle world. They captured that stuff subtly and beautifully with the new movie, paying homage to those great matte paintings they created for part 2. When I think of part 2, that's the stuff I remember.
I totally agree about the new movie being dry sex wise. I don't think the actors playing Frank and Julia showed anything nudity wise, but they still had some of the most intense sex scenes in cinema history. Also Frank could just look at someone and it's on. When Julia opened the door and Frank introduced himself in the flashback he exuded sexual energy like radioactive waves following a nuclear bomb. All he said was I'm Frank and it was on. You could feel it through the screen. No actor in the remake came anywhere close to giving off that energy.
Great video! I enjoyed the hellraiser from 1987 more than the 2022 remake. I have only seen the first four movies. I havent watched the rest of the franchise because I have heard a lot of TH-camrs say how the rest of the movies fell flat. I have heard that revelations is the worst one lol. I’ve been debating about watching the rest of the movies but I don’t want to waste my time watching movies that are “bad” lol . I feel like pinhead is such a unique horror icon. I loved the original, pinheads look, and the story was very intriguing. I also loved Julie! Her performance was wonderful! I enjoyed the 2022 remake. I was surprised that it was decent for the most part. It kept me interested. I agree with you about the cenobites looks in the 2022 remake because the looks gave fashion/couture lol if that makes sense. I wanted more oomf to their looks because they were too clean. I didnt enjoy Riley’s character too much. I like the way they explained the box. The 2022 remake wasn’t that bad but the 1987 original reigns superior 💁🏽♀️
Jamie absolutely nailed it I honestly never thought anyone besides Doug Bradley could ever play the HellPriest but it genuinely worked so well with Jamie in the role she felt so much closer to the original vision Clive had for Pinhead
Straight guy here. 100 percent agree the sensuality was sorely missing. And definitely not a bad idea. Riley spiraling and chasing the ultimate drug high would have been the perfect angle to tie in with the addiction plot. Drug high melding in with the distortions of the 2 world overlapping is…chef’s kiss. Beautiful idea. Bummed they didn’t do that. PSA: Traumatized and counter culture straight men are definitely not boring sexuality. But we can be hard to coexist with.
Yes! I think I agree with all of your points, especially the bit about the new version being very dry. The original is definitely moist and squelchy and I love that about the original.
I like the reboot of Hellraiser but I have to give the edge to the original of course for three reasons. One it was darker in tone and really gritty and you actually felt dirty watching it but in a good way, two the practical effects are absolutely stunning and the level of craft and love put into them just shows every time you watch it. Finally reason number three the shock level of it. Everything done in the original has a level of shock to it. The scene where Frank opens the box and the chains rip him apart, the scene where Frank is re animated from Larry’s blood, the first time Julia uses the hammer to kill her first victim is not only shocking it’s brutal especially when she finishes him off. It’s not conventional like the reboot it’s really hard to sit through at points but with Hellraiser even when I’m cringing and slinking in my chair I still can’t look away because it’s a beautiful film to look at.
I agree with 2022 being too clean, even though I know it's impossible for movies today to capture the grittiness of 80s flicks. I LOVED the new pinhead/priest. I think why straight sex tends to be so bland (to me), is that it Iacks passion most of the time.
Honestly, I think Pinhead is the only new Cenobite that looks good. The rest of them look horrible to me. Not because they’re practical effects, it’s because of the design. The Chatterer looks like a dead monkey and that character the Masque looks like it’s straight up made of styrofoam. Also, why is the color scheme all white? I prefer the Cenobites being dressed in black personally, it makes them look more intimidating and sensual than just dirty white armor or whatever they wore.
Met Ashley at a con many years ago, had a delightful late night walk with out Chihuahuas on the hotel grounds. Friendly, passionate, and an animal lover❤️
Excellent comparison video! There's something really interesting about the overall themes of Hellraiser, the way they make hedonism of, if not the, main theme of the franchise is a pretty cool concept. In a way, the Cenobites are sort of symbolic of hedonism as well as sexuality, given they explore the far reaches of experience. There's a lot of different ways that they could take the franchise, which makes it really unique compared to other horror franchises. Also, I agree that making Pinhead a woman in the reboot is actually pretty cool. Sure, Pinhead in the original film is a man and the Female Cenobite is...well, female, but The Chatterer and Butterball didn't seem to have any overtly male or female qualities. They seemed really alien and weird compared to the other two, and I'm glad that they chose that route with Pinhead. I love Doug Bradley as Pinhead, but I think Jamie is fantastic, too. She's particularly good at the voice for Pinhead. It sort of reminds me of Pazuzu from The Exorcist or Satan from Hazbin Hotel: Journey to the Light. Pinhead's voice is very androgynous, it makes her feel more ethereal, mysterious and powerful like the Cenobites should be.
@@HauntedHippie Yeah, haha. Also, it’s interesting that in the original film, Frank is even more of a monster than the Cenobites. Sure, Pinhead and the others are essentially Satanic BDSM enthusiasts, but hey, everybody’s got their kinks, so to each their own! And you can sort of excuse them because that’s just the Cenobite way. To them there’s nothing wrong with experiencing or inflicting suffering, they’re kind of the Chaotic Neutrals of the slasher genre. Frank, on the other hand, is a repulsive piece of shit who knows what he’s doing is wrong, but doesn’t give a fuck. Which makes it even more satisfying when he dies a glorious, goopy death. 😺
Riley is a pretty awful person. At least in the beginning. But I did appreciate the fact that they created an unconventional final girl character. Also, I would've liked to see more of the cenobytes in action in the 2022 version. I liked the remake but it just needs something more. More gore and likeable characters, for instance.
I'm a Hellraiser fan since the beginning and you really touched upon it, the whole lust aspect and where lust will lead you. As they're killing together their lust only grows, and that is a very creepy idea! That was Clive's original idea. Pain and desire. I like some of the other sequels but they miss that whole sexual aspect. They forget the point of the first two. And you're right, I've never seen another horror movie where that sexual aspect was so strong.
Doug Bradley's version will always be #1 for me. They nailed whole look, attitude and voice with him, and inwas drawn into every scene he was in. That being said, I think Jamie's version is badass as well! I wasn't sure what to expect, especially after the last few Hellraiser movies without DB. But I thought they did an awesome job with her appearance, and she did an awesome job with the voice and just the presence of Pinhead. I hope they do more with Jamie as PH, but maybe not with the Riley character. That character didn't come close to Kirsty IMO.
FASCINATING FACT☝🏽 Hellraiser was filmed just around the corner from where my family used to live in Dollis Hill. I was 5 at the time & we had no idea what was going on until we rented the video from Sight&Sound years later & my Dad was like “Waitaminnit...😳” OK, that fact was only fascinating for me 😊 One of my favourite films was filmed in my old neighbourhood 🤘🏽
I really didn’t expect to watch all of this but you really did great on this video. I do think having boy friend in the final showdown in the original Hellraiser was pointless but I do think he does add to the movie showing a parallel of a more wholesome, healthy relationship compared to the depravity of Frank and Julia.
I've only seen the og Hellraiser and really enjoyed it. Heard alot of mixed things about the remake but I might check it out when I get Hulu. Love these types of videos
I loved your idea of how the 2022 version could have explored the theme of addiction. If they went the direction you described, that would have been bananas and such a fresh take on the material! At first I liked that they made Riley a drug addict, it seemed very fitting for a Hellraiser movie. I thought it would work well thematically, a character always trying to stimulant themselves paired with the cenobites who are all about exploring sensations and thresholds of pain. Sadly, the new one didn't go that deep with it. Overall I found the movie enjoyable, but it fell short in certain ways.
PG-13 for Hellraiser?! I knew about Lussier and Farmer linked to the Remake, but never knew about the PG-13 stance by the lowly, disgusting Weinsteins! Really informative video!!!!!👍👍
I'm glad I personally didn't see much hate for Jaimie. I was over the fucking moon when they cast her - casting a trans woman was just so perfect for Pinhead and I honestly prefer her version of Pinhead (sorry Doug).
Maybe I'm just getting jaded & pessimistic in my old age, but I just have NO desire to watch any more remakes or re-quels. I'm content with the original continuity of franchises that I've been watching for the last 40+ years🤷
Thank you for this video! Barker is my art hero and gay elder; Hellrasier 1&2 are my top favorite films of all time along with Nightbreed and Lord of Illusions- until This new Hellrasier, it’s a legit Barker film and I never thought Pinhead (The Priest) would be so beautiful, nailing the best of Clive Barker’s collision of beauty and horror, sublime! The plot of Hellrasier (2022) is not what seduced me- it is the queer abject ontology of these flayed angels that fetishized Transhumanism via queer sensuality and occult ways of being within this representation I’ve been horny for. Clayton slayed her performance and graciously usurped Bradley from his throne. I’m one of those queers that identify with the monster - in Barker’s universe we are not only monsters, but gods. Hellrasier (2022) is a religious experience!
Wondering about your thoughts on Hellseeker. I was really excited to see Ashley play Kirsty again in any form. But, do you think it was an interesting way of revisiting her character in the franchise or a regrettable use of a beloved character? My feelings are pretty mixed, personally.
I agree the original is sexier, but I LOVED everything else about the reboot. Odessa A'zion is amazing in this movie, I really like her. And what to say about Jamie Clayton... she's so great!
Tw ; loss and drug use Man, hellraiser 2022 was a wild experience for me. My mom was on her deathbed in the hospital, and I came home one night and tried Kratom for the first time, got super super high, and watched hellraiser 2022 and that was a trippy experience to say the least.
After hearing your thoughts on the comparison of both Pinhead portryals, I'm gonna give the remake another shot. I wasn't a fan of the movie in general when I watched it, and I did go in with the bias of, "Jamie isn't as imposing as Doug.". But taking what you've said, if I go into the movie with the mindset of her portraying Pinhead as more of a Slaaneshi deamonette, then I might find that she was more suitable to the role than he was. Uh... for those who aren't aware of what a Slaaneshi daemonette is; its a Warhammer 40k thing, which can be a rabbit hole if you aren't careful
Great video - as a queer person, I'm surprised myself that neither film speaks to me on any level, but I thought the remake was particularly god awful. I gained new respect for the original after seeing that monstrosity. Both Pinheads are great though and can stand on their own side by side without need for further, unnecessary comparisons.
I love the original Hellraiser, it´s one of my favorite movies and I consider it a great movie beyond the genre. It has something special, it oozes intelligence, poetry, mysticism and sex. The new film is not bad at all, but for me it is just ok, it doesn´t make me feel something deep inside as the original can.
i didnt think anyone could live up to Doug Bradley, but Jamie Clayton was AMAZING in this franchise. it's kind of a shame that she didnt get to bring a little more personality to Pinhead, but hopefully next time she can.
Ahhhh I absolutely loved this breakdown ! I’m SO happy hellraiser is a queer film cause like you said , I just don’t see a straight person coming up with this idea , they would have sexualised Julia so bad 😭 Also !! I think for the remake , I would have preferred if we followed Colin since his boyfriend got sent into hell , it would have been more interesting and close the og , it would have been more interesting to see more of their relationship and like they did with Julia , they could have portrait the horny side of a gay man on such a smooth and non cliche way like other films do . Hope that made sense lol I love both movies tho
Ooo yes I would’ve much preferred to see Colin be the lead. I wasn’t very interested in the toxic dynamic between Matt and Riley, feel like I’ve seen it too many times
I admit being sceptic beforehand about choosing her for the role, but she did a great job, even though the movie is not as good as the original, but that's not due to her. I would enjoy seeing her again in the role.
This was an interesting video, I've been enjoying these horror comparisons. The original hellraiser movie is no doubt a classic i love it. I might check out the new one for the fun of it but I definitely need to read the book tho. Also fun fact my first time watching the original movie I was at my friends place who came home for the holidays and we all decided to sit down and watch it, cracking jokes and having fun with it till about half way in the movie (i think it was when Kristy first opens the puzzle box) This one person that was with us was freaking out hard. We just met them that day and they were not drunk or on drugs but they we're freaking out saying that the movie was Sadistic and we where making fun of Satanism and stuff. I can't fully remember the exact words they said that night but we apparently terrified them to the point they ran out of the house in tears in the freezing cold in the middle of no where. Found them half way down the street sitting on the corner waiting for the cops to come pick them up. They showed up and we had to bring them back to the house to grab their stuff so they got taken home. Kind of killed the mood of the night till we put the movie back on and went back to doing what we were doing earlier. So yeah now I know hellraiser can really fuck people up lol
I like both films. I was surprised by the initial backlash about Pinhead being played by a female too. If you're a big fan of the series or Barker, I figured you'd know that Pinhead was androgynous originally. I though Jamie Clayton was great as that character.
I love both films for different reasons. I love Doug and I love Jamie. I love Kirsty Cotton but I also like that most of the characters in the new one aren’t likable. To me, I loved seeing Trevor and Voight get what they had coming. That juxtaposition against Nora’s death and Colin’s torture make what happens to Colin and Nora that much more tragic because they didn’t deserve it. I like the gooey and I like the antiseptic. I see it as two similar groups from the same place but with different agendas. But that’s just me, maybe I’m dumb 🤷♂️
Wow you make horror movies interesting and exciting. Plus you are not hard on the eyes as well. Keep going. Have you done a show about 1989 Wes Craven's shocker or 1987 movie dolls. By Stewart gordon
There are few things that I think that I may have not liked. In the original they blur the lines between pleasure and pain, and the inherent warning is that you can take pleasure too far and to be careful how far you reach. In 2022's Hellraiser there is a clear segregation between it and a few other things --- and given that, who would ever elect for pain even if there was anything positive to gain? With clearly defined choices presented by Leviathan it gets less murkier, which sort of ruins the mystique in my eyes.
I love your perspectives and although I'm not gay my parents were theater actors so very open. If you like 80's gay media content I would suggest listening too a few Judas Priest songs. Rob Halford wasn't out yet it was obvious but he's the one who stared the Black Leather with Meatal Spikes and Studs outfits , even cuffs and whips right from the gay bars. So it was funny to see all these guys thinking they looked tough dressing like him but not knowing. There's a Gay Anthem song from '77 "Raw Deal"off the Sin after Sin album about one of these bars , great song . But from the '84 Defenders of the Faith album when I was 15 has two songs you may appreciate, first Eat Me Alive is a BDSM song for sure with some Hellraiser elements. One of my favorites though is Love Bites about a Vampire attack or seduction. Vampires are very sexual with the penetration of flesh and "wet" fluids. Other horror songs from them are The Ripper about Jack and Night Crawler . Just a suggestion.
I think a lot of people don’t realize that Riley was not meant to be likeable. The whole time they clearly state that everything is her fault, her lack of judgement is causing everyone around her to “die”. We all sided with the cenobites by the end of the film. So when she makes her choice we all know what’s going through pinhead’s head, and we all agree with them that Riley is not only a pain but she’s caused so much pain just for nothing.
As a huge fan of the original 3 Hellraiser movies, I have to say thet the 2022 remake ist absolutely amazing. And I don't care that Pin-Head is now different. In the books Pin-Head is neither male nor female
I wasn't a huge fan of the new Hellraiser, I think it benefited from coming out after Prey...which was very good. I think people were hyped for what Hulu could make.
I like thinking of Larry and Frank as opposites. Larry as the kind, lovely and caring father. While frank is the perverted selfish bastard. Also creates the clash between worlds even more evident. Kirsty and Larry as the innocent ones, Julia and Frank as the monsters.
I don't agree with how you mention how both pinheads play their role with the non/sexuality. For me it does not make it a factor of how they both play that role. They both play pinhead great and in their own way. Also, straight male are not boring. It all depends in the individual, because sometimes it is hard find a partner to accept you in all aspects. Haha
Personally, I love the new designs for the cenobites. I think it really played with that idea that they can’t distinguish the difference between pain and pleasure and I think that was a very smart move. However, what dialogue or interactions that were done that did not involve the cenobites, I unfortunately was not really interested
I would say the new film is just another Hellraiser story. It can definitely stand on it's own but I don't see it as a remake Outside of casting a new Pinhead. I can see reboot in a way, but without erasing what has come before.
Lady Gaga and Matt Bomer in AHS definitely fit that sexy horror vibe 😍 I really like both Hellraiser movies but OG Hellraiser takes it for me just cause it’s OG but I really love the new Pinhead
Maaaaaaan...I feel like I'm gonna be out on a little island with this because I'm not a big fan of Hellraiser at all (the original). I can definitely respect it for its edginess and for the practical effects, but I remember watching it and being very meh about it all. Being mad that the cenobites and Pinhead seemed like an afterthought. Perhaps I was expecting more of them in the movie because they were very iconic figures. I guess I just assumed they'd have more screen time. I watched the first three and never really had the need to go back in. I did enjoy 3 though, not gonna lie. With the new one, I found myself invested in the characters and I appreciate that the cenobites are front and center. They are a presence in this movie and they feel like the villains. I'd watch this one again over the original if given the chance.
3 is a bad movie but a good time because of it. It's a fun movie ... I never much cared for part 2 other than the visuals and the score. It's sort of a mess in my view .. I liked it as a kid but rewatching it I don't know why I did.😂... The first movie is great though, .. That being said, I love the new one. Because of advancements in effect technology and the camera work I think it actually does quite a few things better than the original.
I adored this video! Clive Barker has been one of my heroes since the mid-90's when I first got into Hellraiser and then his Books of Blood short story collection. Infact, one of big reasons I loved the new Hellraiser movie (I've been calling it a remix! haha) is because so much of it reminds me of Clive's the Books of Blood stories. Down on their luck weirdos (usually marginalized people) getting caught up horrifying situations that are so much bigger than them! I watched an interview thing where the writers basically confirmed this. Although, they mentioned The Damnation Game, Weaveworld etc it still feels very Books of Blood to me. I think it nailed that vibe, which is why I loved Odessa A'zion performance as Riley especially on my rewatch. Although, I do think the remix is pulling more from Clive's The Damnation Game more than Hellraiser in some ways. The whole Faustian bargain is a perfect example of that! When David Bruckner says he understood the assignment about Clive's work I think he absolutely did, but from different areas of Clive's work! He gets some of it, but I still think he could've upped the sex, gore and griminess (the apartment where Riley lived should've been filthy!) But I think that's just him because in The Ritual he made the freaking outdoors so clean! It's literally the cleanest forest in horror haha
I like the new Cenobite designs because they're different. I watched a whole freaking video on Ed Martinez's youtube channel about how they made them. It's great check it out!
The original Hellraiser is basically part of my DNA at this point. I don't compare the remix (yes, I'm still calling it that) and the original. They're very much separate things to me. I don't compare Doug and Jaime either. I'm just happy that a new Hellraiser movie is being made by people who care about the series. Whether you like it or not, you can definitely tell they care. I just recently watched Hellraiser Hellworld and the ending pissed me off so much. I never get angry at movies like that, but it made me so angry! The ending was overthought, stupid and insulted my intelligence. I'm not over it!
Last thing, I know this is going to be one of my favorite videos of yours maybe ever. I love Clive Barker so much and seeing him get recognized like this makes me so happy. I've been a huge of his for such a long time and his influence has largely faded a bit which sucks. With the new Hellraiser his work is finally being talked about again! He has so many amazing novels and short stories that I can't recommend enough. The Hellbound Heart and Books of Blood are great places to start cause they're so short with a low time commitment! Anyway, can't thank you enough for making this Kylie! I know I'll be rewatching this several more times over the next few weeks (probably starting tomarrow!). You did an amazing job! One of my fav youtubers talking about one of my horror idols. Better than I could've hoped. I sincerely mean that, and I retweeted the video haha
Ayeee this provides some good context I’m gonna pin it! Thank you!
@@HauntedHippie Holy crap! Awesome! Glad I could help Kylie!
This comment is perfect for casual fans of Hellraiser. I'm gonna look up several things you mentioned here so thank you~
@@Tormalima Yeah, you're welcome! Hope you like them!
An old boss of mine back when I worked for the studios worked with Clive Barker and said he is absolutely the most amazing artist he ever worked with. I honestly feel that he doesn't get enough attention in the horror community.
He really doesn’t :/
Clive seems like a very nice and respectful guy, I'd love to meet him. He's something of an inspiration to me. 🥰
Get the Abarat bound edition, it features images of the more than 100 paintings Barker made for the book, amazing stuff and a great series as well.
I love the britishness of the first movie .... I cannot explain it
Ryan Hollinger just did a really good job of it.
Classic theatre.
BEST Intro Ever😆😆 I've Been Missing Myself Some Jessica Rothe In My Life & I Definitely Needed That Tonight 😂🥰
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This was by far the best review of both film's but the new one especially. I felt the same in every way about every character and plot in general. Also all the behind the scenes info was top notch . This was one of the most phenomenal reviews I've ever seen.
I love seeing this channel blowing up!
This was SO comprehensive and enjoyable! First video I've ever seen of yours and I'm absolutely in love with your style, intelligence, insight, passion and love of this genre! I adore the fact that you delved into all of those complex themes that were so deeply embedded in the original in the original. I subbed to your channel and I'm excited to see more of your content! Horror has been my life for as long as i can remember, but i vividly remember seeing the first Hellraiser film in the theater when i was 11 and it was the last time i ever really felt scared again. Seeing Frank being ripped apart was like my metaphorical horror cherry being popped and i never looked back, lol.
P.S.
I wrote my own review when i first saw the re-boot as well. ;)
Welcome to the channel!
This was such a cool, thorough breakdown. Your point about how the remake should have leaned into Riley seeking more of the sensations that drugs give her. That exploration could have made for a REALLY cool movie. I was sort-of expecting that upon the first viewing, but I hadn't thought about it again until you said it. This video is phenomenal. 🙌🖤⛓️
Appreciate that!! Would love to see a fan film with that concept maybe
lol ‘Deep Throat’ 😂 could you image if they’d used that title??? Hahaha
The First Two Hellraisers films are the Best.
I love how Clive described the original as a story of what would you do for a good fuck LMFAO
Hands down I find Julia to be a far more interesting villain than even pinhead. Especially with how her arc turns out in the sequel. I very much like to pretend those are the only movies in this franchise that exist. That and the new one. I went weak for some of that cinematography man. Made me wish it played in a theatre!
Now you got me in the mood for some 1987 "Hellraiser", and opened an entire new, heightened appreciation for the film, even more than I had before. (you also nailed everything I feel about the 2022 film - no characters, no vibes, no nothing for me). So in these regards, your video and analysis was - may I say so - indeed sexy. You do tremendous research and wonderful presentation, some of the best videos I have seen on TH-cam. It's thorough and grounded, always brings new aspects, and so much joy. Thank you for all of you do. You're one of a kind!!
Damn, this is a top tier breakdown/mini-documentary/commentary.
You showed some behind the scenes stuff I didn't even know about and I like the original even more now.
Also you convinced me to give the new one a chance. Kinda wrote it off as yet another modern remake of a movie that doesn't need one. But you made the two dimensions mixing up and especially the new Pinhead performance seem really intriguing. Although I am still very disappointed that they got rid of all the sexuality, eroticism and wetness, which you're spot on about.
Also, can we expect you to do a vid on Terrifier 2? Really interested in your take, especially with the characters, story and lore. And the gore of course cause it goes places other modern movies just don't. It also has a ton of behind the scenes stuff and interesting, funny and absolutely wholesome interviews
I feel like I might be a little late on that :( but I’d love to give it a dedicated video
Excellent video. It's also worth noting that Clive Barker wrote the source material for Candyman, another effective horror classic. It's quite rare that a contemporary writer has two established horror franchises on his or her resume. Barker also wrote Nightbreed and Lord of Illusions; not quite up to Hellraiser's standard, but perfectly watchable.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 No that would be Phantasm.
Clive had such sights to show us! lol. Great Review. I Subscribed a while back you have a fan in me!
Dude a surreal alternate reality drug trip metaphor vibe would’ve been sick!!!
Maybe the follow up will do that.
This was superb. In depth with analysis I hope (sincerely) Clive Barker sees, because it’s that good. Well done and thank you.
That would be wild! Thank you!
I loved your Channel and sassyness! Also your video made me motivated to see the first hellraiser, commenting because i love your vibes and big data stuff lol.
This was awesome. I'm glad you finally did a video on the original Hellraiser. It's a favorite of mine. The first 4 are really along with this new reboot. The rest are a slap to the face to a hard-core fan like myself. They weren't even Hellraiser films from the start. Just detective films with pinhead and other Cenobites shoehorned in. No respect for what came before. I wish more of The Books of Blood were made into films. Hellraiser or the novel The Hellbound Heart is just one excellent story within the Books of Blood. So many great stories. Awesome video.
Mr Voorhees, although you're probably already aware >
The Midnight Meat Train (2008)
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I loved Jamie Clayton in Sese8. It is so great to see her land a role like this. She's amazing, and she nailed the Hellpriest perfectly. This was the first time since the Hellraiser 2 that I felt like I was watching the character from the book. I'm really hoping this acts as a springboard to more roles for her.
Kind of blows my mind that I was only pumped for Halloween Ends and it happens that Hellraiser 2022 blew that movie out of the water.I always prefer the book but both movies were amazing.
I also 100% agree the score is the best in all horror.
If the cenobites really want to get their jollies off torturing people, they should make their victims watch all the hellraiser sequels.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 2 and 3 are both bad movies ... I never much understood why part 2 gets a pass. I actually thought 3 was more fun to watch. 2 is an absolute mess other than some good visuals and the music.
The first 3 were amazing, 4 is also pretty good. 5 is different, but not bad. The rest is meh, except for the 7th and 10th
@@Fiveash-Art There's an unused/unfinished scene in Hellraiser 2 that I wish they put in. It's on youtube. It shows the cenobites in surgeon gowns, and they chase after Kirsty. I found it quite disturbing and would have made that movie better if it was finished and looked good.
@@robzreelz I would've liked to see that. I'm still really hoping they do a sequel for this new version. They could go completely surreal like they did with the original Hellraiser 2 .. exploring hell even more. More M.C. Escher stylized portals and landscapes. In the new movie I was happy they continued on with those particular visual concepts during the transitional sequences where the cenobites entered our reality, .. the interlinking puzzle world. They captured that stuff subtly and beautifully with the new movie, paying homage to those great matte paintings they created for part 2. When I think of part 2, that's the stuff I remember.
I totally agree about the new movie being dry sex wise. I don't think the actors playing Frank and Julia showed anything nudity wise, but they still had some of the most intense sex scenes in cinema history. Also Frank could just look at someone and it's on. When Julia opened the door and Frank introduced himself in the flashback he exuded sexual energy like radioactive waves following a nuclear bomb. All he said was I'm Frank and it was on. You could feel it through the screen. No actor in the remake came anywhere close to giving off that energy.
AHAHAHAH true
Kirsty, It's Frank. Uncle Frank!
Omfg you're so right. All frank did was introduce himself and that was enough for Julia.
real thorough breakdown, loved this!
Great video! I enjoyed the hellraiser from 1987 more than the 2022 remake. I have only seen the first four movies. I havent watched the rest of the franchise because I have heard a lot of TH-camrs say how the rest of the movies fell flat. I have heard that revelations is the worst one lol. I’ve been debating about watching the rest of the movies but I don’t want to waste my time watching movies that are “bad” lol . I feel like pinhead is such a unique horror icon. I loved the original, pinheads look, and the story was very intriguing. I also loved Julie! Her performance was wonderful! I enjoyed the 2022 remake. I was surprised that it was decent for the most part. It kept me interested. I agree with you about the cenobites looks in the 2022 remake because the looks gave fashion/couture lol if that makes sense. I wanted more oomf to their looks because they were too clean. I didnt enjoy Riley’s character too much. I like the way they explained the box. The 2022 remake wasn’t that bad but the 1987 original reigns superior 💁🏽♀️
this was a fantastic analysis on the contrast between the two films. the original just can't be beat! btw love your hairstyle 👍
Jamie absolutely nailed it I honestly never thought anyone besides Doug Bradley could ever play the HellPriest but it genuinely worked so well with Jamie in the role she felt so much closer to the original vision Clive had for Pinhead
I didn't care for the remake, but I agree the actress playing Pinhead did a good job, no, she didn't make me forget Doug, but she did a great job.
I really enjoyed the new hellraiser,and the original obviously is my favorite but this new one wasn't bad at all,great video by the way like always.
Straight guy here. 100 percent agree the sensuality was sorely missing. And definitely not a bad idea. Riley spiraling and chasing the ultimate drug high would have been the perfect angle to tie in with the addiction plot. Drug high melding in with the distortions of the 2 world overlapping is…chef’s kiss. Beautiful idea. Bummed they didn’t do that.
PSA: Traumatized and counter culture straight men are definitely not boring sexuality. But we can be hard to coexist with.
Yes! I think I agree with all of your points, especially the bit about the new version being very dry. The original is definitely moist and squelchy and I love that about the original.
I like the reboot of Hellraiser but I have to give the edge to the original of course for three reasons. One it was darker in tone and really gritty and you actually felt dirty watching it but in a good way, two the practical effects are absolutely stunning and the level of craft and love put into them just shows every time you watch it. Finally reason number three the shock level of it. Everything done in the original has a level of shock to it. The scene where Frank opens the box and the chains rip him apart, the scene where Frank is re animated from Larry’s blood, the first time Julia uses the hammer to kill her first victim is not only shocking it’s brutal especially when she finishes him off. It’s not conventional like the reboot it’s really hard to sit through at points but with Hellraiser even when I’m cringing and slinking in my chair I still can’t look away because it’s a beautiful film to look at.
I agree with 2022 being too clean, even though I know it's impossible for movies today to capture the grittiness of 80s flicks.
I LOVED the new pinhead/priest. I think why straight sex tends to be so bland (to me), is that it Iacks passion most of the time.
Definitely 😵💫
Honestly, I think Pinhead is the only new Cenobite that looks good. The rest of them look horrible to me. Not because they’re practical effects, it’s because of the design. The Chatterer looks like a dead monkey and that character the Masque looks like it’s straight up made of styrofoam. Also, why is the color scheme all white? I prefer the Cenobites being dressed in black personally, it makes them look more intimidating and sensual than just dirty white armor or whatever they wore.
Hellraiser 87 is everything. Part 2 even more so
Met Ashley at a con many years ago, had a delightful late night walk with out Chihuahuas on the hotel grounds. Friendly, passionate, and an animal lover❤️
Are you going to do Terrifier or Terrifier 2????
Excellent comparison video! There's something really interesting about the overall themes of Hellraiser, the way they make hedonism of, if not the, main theme of the franchise is a pretty cool concept. In a way, the Cenobites are sort of symbolic of hedonism as well as sexuality, given they explore the far reaches of experience. There's a lot of different ways that they could take the franchise, which makes it really unique compared to other horror franchises. Also, I agree that making Pinhead a woman in the reboot is actually pretty cool. Sure, Pinhead in the original film is a man and the Female Cenobite is...well, female, but The Chatterer and Butterball didn't seem to have any overtly male or female qualities. They seemed really alien and weird compared to the other two, and I'm glad that they chose that route with Pinhead. I love Doug Bradley as Pinhead, but I think Jamie is fantastic, too. She's particularly good at the voice for Pinhead. It sort of reminds me of Pazuzu from The Exorcist or Satan from Hazbin Hotel: Journey to the Light. Pinhead's voice is very androgynous, it makes her feel more ethereal, mysterious and powerful like the Cenobites should be.
Yea the chatterer and the thumb looking thing for sure don’t have a gender 😂
@@HauntedHippie Yeah, haha. Also, it’s interesting that in the original film, Frank is even more of a monster than the Cenobites. Sure, Pinhead and the others are essentially Satanic BDSM enthusiasts, but hey, everybody’s got their kinks, so to each their own! And you can sort of excuse them because that’s just the Cenobite way. To them there’s nothing wrong with experiencing or inflicting suffering, they’re kind of the Chaotic Neutrals of the slasher genre. Frank, on the other hand, is a repulsive piece of shit who knows what he’s doing is wrong, but doesn’t give a fuck. Which makes it even more satisfying when he dies a glorious, goopy death. 😺
Riley is a pretty awful person.
At least in the beginning.
But I did appreciate the fact that they created an unconventional final girl character.
Also, I would've liked to see more of the cenobytes in action in the 2022 version.
I liked the remake but it just needs something more.
More gore and likeable characters, for instance.
Agree completely
I'm a Hellraiser fan since the beginning and you really touched upon it, the whole lust aspect and where lust will lead you. As they're killing together their lust only grows, and that is a very creepy idea! That was Clive's original idea. Pain and desire. I like some of the other sequels but they miss that whole sexual aspect. They forget the point of the first two.
And you're right, I've never seen another horror movie where that sexual aspect was so strong.
Thanks for the commentary. Hellraiser 2022 didn't quite grab me, but it was definitely watchable.
Yes! You put it perfectly. The new cebobites are too clean and all too clinical in a way in the remake
New to your channel, gonna enjoy sifting thru your content.
Doug Bradley's version will always be #1 for me. They nailed whole look, attitude and voice with him, and inwas drawn into every scene he was in. That being said, I think Jamie's version is badass as well! I wasn't sure what to expect, especially after the last few Hellraiser movies without DB. But I thought they did an awesome job with her appearance, and she did an awesome job with the voice and just the presence of Pinhead. I hope they do more with Jamie as PH, but maybe not with the Riley character. That character didn't come close to Kirsty IMO.
Merry meet, merry part , merry meet again .
I liked the “transformation” scene at the end. I was reminded of the “leviathan” scene from 2 where Channard is transformed
I loved the new Hellraiser, great video !
FASCINATING FACT☝🏽 Hellraiser was filmed just around the corner from where my family used to live in Dollis Hill. I was 5 at the time & we had no idea what was going on until we rented the video from Sight&Sound years later & my Dad was like “Waitaminnit...😳”
OK, that fact was only fascinating for me 😊 One of my favourite films was filmed in my old neighbourhood 🤘🏽
I really didn’t expect to watch all of this but you really did great on this video. I do think having boy friend in the final showdown in the original Hellraiser was pointless but I do think he does add to the movie showing a parallel of a more wholesome, healthy relationship compared to the depravity of Frank and Julia.
Loved hellraiser 2022 ! I respect what came before so much. The new cenobites were so menacing . I totally recommend checking it out !
It’s gonna be worth rewatching in the near future hahaha
I've only seen the og Hellraiser and really enjoyed it. Heard alot of mixed things about the remake but I might check it out when I get Hulu. Love these types of videos
The whole movie is just right from the core like it should be, thrilling and smart, you really know what you're talking about...
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I loved your idea of how the 2022 version could have explored the theme of addiction. If they went the direction you described, that would have been bananas and such a fresh take on the material! At first I liked that they made Riley a drug addict, it seemed very fitting for a Hellraiser movie. I thought it would work well thematically, a character always trying to stimulant themselves paired with the cenobites who are all about exploring sensations and thresholds of pain. Sadly, the new one didn't go that deep with it. Overall I found the movie enjoyable, but it fell short in certain ways.
Riiight wasted potential right there
PG-13 for Hellraiser?! I knew about Lussier and Farmer linked to the Remake, but never knew about the PG-13 stance by the lowly, disgusting Weinsteins! Really informative video!!!!!👍👍
I'm glad I personally didn't see much hate for Jaimie. I was over the fucking moon when they cast her - casting a trans woman was just so perfect for Pinhead and I honestly prefer her version of Pinhead (sorry Doug).
Maybe I'm just getting jaded & pessimistic in my old age, but I just have NO desire to watch any more remakes or re-quels. I'm content with the original continuity of franchises that I've been watching for the last 40+ years🤷
"Today is basically all about depravity." Salo: Hold my beer.
Thank you for this video! Barker is my art hero and gay elder; Hellrasier 1&2 are my top favorite films of all time along with Nightbreed and Lord of Illusions- until This new Hellrasier, it’s a legit Barker film and I never thought Pinhead (The Priest) would be so beautiful, nailing the best of Clive Barker’s collision of beauty and horror, sublime! The plot of Hellrasier (2022) is not what seduced me- it is the queer abject ontology of these flayed angels that fetishized Transhumanism via queer sensuality and occult ways of being within this representation I’ve been horny for. Clayton slayed her performance and graciously usurped Bradley from his throne. I’m one of those queers that identify with the monster - in Barker’s universe we are not only monsters, but gods. Hellrasier (2022) is a religious experience!
I know this video is old... but your buns with the orange scrunchies are a whole VIBEA
I agree with you on the remake. They can take bigger chances with a sequel to the remake. Cool video.
The iconic classic original directed by Clive Barker is easily the best in my opinion. It had a raw punk like attitude about it :-)
Wondering about your thoughts on Hellseeker. I was really excited to see Ashley play Kirsty again in any form. But, do you think it was an interesting way of revisiting her character in the franchise or a regrettable use of a beloved character? My feelings are pretty mixed, personally.
Tbf it was the only good part of that movie.
I agree the original is sexier, but I LOVED everything else about the reboot. Odessa A'zion is amazing in this movie, I really like her. And what to say about Jamie Clayton... she's so great!
Tw ; loss and drug use
Man, hellraiser 2022 was a wild experience for me. My mom was on her deathbed in the hospital, and I came home one night and tried Kratom for the first time, got super super high, and watched hellraiser 2022 and that was a trippy experience to say the least.
I agree and great video 👍
It’s funny I never saw anyone say anything negative about the new interpretation of Pinhead in the new movie. I only saw positive things.
After hearing your thoughts on the comparison of both Pinhead portryals, I'm gonna give the remake another shot. I wasn't a fan of the movie in general when I watched it, and I did go in with the bias of, "Jamie isn't as imposing as Doug.". But taking what you've said, if I go into the movie with the mindset of her portraying Pinhead as more of a Slaaneshi deamonette, then I might find that she was more suitable to the role than he was.
Uh... for those who aren't aware of what a Slaaneshi daemonette is; its a Warhammer 40k thing, which can be a rabbit hole if you aren't careful
Great video - as a queer person, I'm surprised myself that neither film speaks to me on any level, but I thought the remake was particularly god awful. I gained new respect for the original after seeing that monstrosity. Both Pinheads are great though and can stand on their own side by side without need for further, unnecessary comparisons.
I love the original Hellraiser, it´s one of my favorite movies and I consider it a great movie beyond the genre. It has something special, it oozes intelligence, poetry, mysticism and sex. The new film is not bad at all, but for me it is just ok, it doesn´t make me feel something deep inside as the original can.
Original Pinhead I perfer his voice is creepy and badass and British accent
Completely agree with the comparison. For me, the "clean" look to the cenobites in the new film seemed too jarring to the atmosphere of the movie.
i didnt think anyone could live up to Doug Bradley, but Jamie Clayton was AMAZING in this franchise. it's kind of a shame that she didnt get to bring a little more personality to Pinhead, but hopefully next time she can.
Ahhhh I absolutely loved this breakdown ! I’m SO happy hellraiser is a queer film cause like you said , I just don’t see a straight person coming up with this idea , they would have sexualised Julia so bad 😭
Also !! I think for the remake , I would have preferred if we followed Colin since his boyfriend got sent into hell , it would have been more interesting and close the og , it would have been more interesting to see more of their relationship and like they did with Julia , they could have portrait the horny side of a gay man on such a smooth and non cliche way like other films do . Hope that made sense lol
I love both movies tho
Ooo yes I would’ve much preferred to see Colin be the lead. I wasn’t very interested in the toxic dynamic between Matt and Riley, feel like I’ve seen it too many times
Let’s do this 🎉
I admit being sceptic beforehand about choosing her for the role, but she did a great job, even though the movie is not as good as the original, but that's not due to her. I would enjoy seeing her again in the role.
This was an interesting video, I've been enjoying these horror comparisons. The original hellraiser movie is no doubt a classic i love it. I might check out the new one for the fun of it but I definitely need to read the book tho.
Also fun fact my first time watching the original movie I was at my friends place who came home for the holidays and we all decided to sit down and watch it, cracking jokes and having fun with it till about half way in the movie (i think it was when Kristy first opens the puzzle box) This one person that was with us was freaking out hard. We just met them that day and they were not drunk or on drugs but they we're freaking out saying that the movie was Sadistic and we where making fun of Satanism and stuff. I can't fully remember the exact words they said that night but we apparently terrified them to the point they ran out of the house in tears in the freezing cold in the middle of no where. Found them half way down the street sitting on the corner waiting for the cops to come pick them up. They showed up and we had to bring them back to the house to grab their stuff so they got taken home. Kind of killed the mood of the night till we put the movie back on and went back to doing what we were doing earlier.
So yeah now I know hellraiser can really fuck people up lol
Ok what the hell 😭😭
More Lust. Thanks for a Great Review
I had no idea Hellraiser was made by a queer man. Definitely explains why I love it so much.
I like both films. I was surprised by the initial backlash about Pinhead being played by a female too. If you're a big fan of the series or Barker, I figured you'd know that Pinhead was androgynous originally. I though Jamie Clayton was great as that character.
People love being loud and wrong I guess lol
I enjoyed the remake for what it was, but agree it didn't hold a torch to the OG
I love both films for different reasons. I love Doug and I love Jamie. I love Kirsty Cotton but I also like that most of the characters in the new one aren’t likable. To me, I loved seeing Trevor and Voight get what they had coming. That juxtaposition against Nora’s death and Colin’s torture make what happens to Colin and Nora that much more tragic because they didn’t deserve it. I like the gooey and I like the antiseptic. I see it as two similar groups from the same place but with different agendas. But that’s just me, maybe I’m dumb 🤷♂️
Wow you make horror movies interesting and exciting. Plus you are not hard on the eyes as well. Keep going. Have you done a show about 1989 Wes Craven's shocker or 1987 movie dolls. By Stewart gordon
Ashley Laurence is a hand chiseled goddess shaped and crafted to be perfection.
There are few things that I think that I may have not liked. In the original they blur the lines between pleasure and pain, and the inherent warning is that you can take pleasure too far and to be careful how far you reach. In 2022's Hellraiser there is a clear segregation between it and a few other things --- and given that, who would ever elect for pain even if there was anything positive to gain? With clearly defined choices presented by Leviathan it gets less murkier, which sort of ruins the mystique in my eyes.
I love Hellraiser, but I've never thought it was sexy. I always thought it was surprisingly tame
I love your perspectives and although I'm not gay my parents were theater actors so very open. If you like 80's gay media content I would suggest listening too a few Judas Priest songs. Rob Halford wasn't out yet it was obvious but he's the one who stared the Black Leather with Meatal Spikes and Studs outfits , even cuffs and whips right from the gay bars. So it was funny to see all these guys thinking they looked tough dressing like him but not knowing. There's a Gay Anthem song from '77 "Raw Deal"off the Sin after Sin album about one of these bars , great song . But from the '84 Defenders of the Faith album when I was 15 has two songs you may appreciate, first Eat Me Alive is a BDSM song for sure with some Hellraiser elements. One of my favorites though is Love Bites about a Vampire attack or seduction. Vampires are very sexual with the penetration of flesh and "wet" fluids. Other horror songs from them are The Ripper about Jack and Night Crawler . Just a suggestion.
The best alternate title for Hellraiser is "What Woman Will Do For A Good Fuck"
I think a lot of people don’t realize that Riley was not meant to be likeable.
The whole time they clearly state that everything is her fault, her lack of judgement is causing everyone around her to “die”.
We all sided with the cenobites by the end of the film. So when she makes her choice we all know what’s going through pinhead’s head, and we all agree with them that Riley is not only a pain but she’s caused so much pain just for nothing.
As a huge fan of the original 3 Hellraiser movies, I have to say thet the 2022 remake ist absolutely amazing. And I don't care that Pin-Head is now different. In the books Pin-Head is neither male nor female
I wasn't a huge fan of the new Hellraiser, I think it benefited from coming out after Prey...which was very good. I think people were hyped for what Hulu could make.
I like thinking of Larry and Frank as opposites.
Larry as the kind, lovely and caring father.
While frank is the perverted selfish bastard.
Also creates the clash between worlds even more evident.
Kirsty and Larry as the innocent ones, Julia and Frank as the monsters.
The new Hellraiser didnt make me feel... icky enough
I don't agree with how you mention how both pinheads play their role with the non/sexuality. For me it does not make it a factor of how they both play that role. They both play pinhead great and in their own way. Also, straight male are not boring. It all depends in the individual, because sometimes it is hard find a partner to accept you in all aspects. Haha
It’s Jamie for me 🐐
Great choice! Hellraiser stands alone. The first 4 only. After that, it became a joke. Haven't seen the reboot yet
Personally, I love the new designs for the cenobites. I think it really played with that idea that they can’t distinguish the difference between pain and pleasure and I think that was a very smart move. However, what dialogue or interactions that were done that did not involve the cenobites, I unfortunately was not really interested
The original hands down in every way.
I would say the new film is just another Hellraiser story. It can definitely stand on it's own but I don't see it as a remake Outside of casting a new Pinhead. I can see reboot in a way, but without erasing what has come before.
Lady Gaga and Matt Bomer in AHS definitely fit that sexy horror vibe 😍 I really like both Hellraiser movies but OG Hellraiser takes it for me just cause it’s OG but I really love the new Pinhead
Good video!
Maaaaaaan...I feel like I'm gonna be out on a little island with this because I'm not a big fan of Hellraiser at all (the original). I can definitely respect it for its edginess and for the practical effects, but I remember watching it and being very meh about it all. Being mad that the cenobites and Pinhead seemed like an afterthought. Perhaps I was expecting more of them in the movie because they were very iconic figures. I guess I just assumed they'd have more screen time. I watched the first three and never really had the need to go back in. I did enjoy 3 though, not gonna lie.
With the new one, I found myself invested in the characters and I appreciate that the cenobites are front and center. They are a presence in this movie and they feel like the villains. I'd watch this one again over the original if given the chance.
3 is a bad movie but a good time because of it. It's a fun movie ... I never much cared for part 2 other than the visuals and the score. It's sort of a mess in my view .. I liked it as a kid but rewatching it I don't know why I did.😂... The first movie is great though, .. That being said, I love the new one. Because of advancements in effect technology and the camera work I think it actually does quite a few things better than the original.