I loved this opening page. Luffy learned from Ace that you should greet those, that helped your friends respectfully and the way Jimbei introduced himself again was probably the most respectful display of greetings he has seen so far
The thing that fascinates me about the Vegapunk death situation this week is that he's kinda had a death cheating contingency plan right under noses the whole time and people are still shocked. Oda was pretty adamant about explaining how Stella and the other Vegapunks work and their connection to PunkRecords, which is just his brain on life-support systems. Kizaru killed Stella, but Stella is not the kingpin of the Vegapunk system. As long as one of his other satellites are still around, he could potentially keep "respawning" Stellas from up in the clouds throughout time, assuming no one figures it out.
It would have worked if those dumbass loser the gorosei could just kill them all but they are useless so yes the moment i saw being useless they stakes were already gone my god if saw saturn and thought something was gonna happen it's on u@@midknightshade330
@@midknightshade330stop the cap, you people would have complained ten times harder if the smartest man in the world didn't have a contingency plan. Y'all are lame af, just quit One Piece at this point.
If Loki had known about Luffys affinity for meat and offered him some in exchange for the keys to his binds, Luffy would not have hesitated to accept. And I am a monster, yes. >:)
It amuses me more, that they're probably all wrong. As far as I was aware, Roger named Shanks, so there's no reason for his siblings to share any connection to the name (Unless there was a handy 'Figarland Shanks' stitched into his baby blanket or soemthing equally like that)
He wouldn’t remember all that and he’s speaking in a different way. Ace asked how to be polite/respectful. Luffy is acting like a mafia boss. He may have gotten the idea of thanking people from Ace but he didn’t take those lessons lmao. Not at that age
I always had this idea like, what if Lilith can’t restore his memories, bc bonnie already popped the backup bubble on egghead, but can synthesize his kind hearted nature or something and put it in s-bear, and Bonnie could raise him with the good life kuma deserved, it even calls back to when we theorized she was actually his mom
I think the least surprising thing to me is Vegapunk had a clone of the Stella ready and waiting. It was established that there were spare parts in Egghead, we even saw them, so I don't know why anybody would be surprised by this. I'm torn on a Kuma revival. On the one hand, giving Bonney what she has been searching for would be amazing. She is still a kid. On the other, it almost feels like a Pell situation, especially since the Stella originally said that it couldn't be done. Luffy learned that it is respectful to thank people for helping you, even if you didn't realize it, from Ace and Makino. That specific behavior he picked up in Wano, probably in Udon prison, and reinforced by Jinbe. Favorite scene? Robin telling Saul that she found them, she found her nakama. Happy Robin makes me happy.
I’m also on board this crazy train. I mean Vegapunk and Kuma potentially being restored doesn’t undo the pain caused by their “deaths”. Doesn’t undo the lessons learned. Doesn’t undo the fact Bonney had to grow up and form her own pirate crew. If Kuma is restored to his normal self, it would be rewarding considering everything Bonney went through.
Shank's younger brother who could never live up to his fathers expectations and who his father didn't want/love. Because the son that he did want/love ran away as a baby and became a pirate. And in order to try and get even the slightest bit of recognition from his father, the 2nd son got facial reconstruction to look like the son his father loved I feel like that's wacky enough for oda
I guess he hadnt perfected the cloning process when he made the satellites. Making the satellites part of the road to perfect cloning! And Vegapunk was getting on in years too, I wouldnt be surprised if the clone had a lil extra oomf engineered in.
Also that the clone (maybe) was made ‘at a certain point’ before he did something he hated, so once/whenever it wakes up, it’ll be free of that knowledge. … _Or_ he was making up a lich system without making himself an undead first, and wants to see if satellites at-all work like a resync for wireless info.
I do like how some people are like "Vegapunk's death meant nothing or it was not impactful" but I disagree. Remembering this made had flashbacks basically of him figuring out that York is a traitor and is going to kill him but he was like "Nah, too easy to out her, I am gotta force her to win just to lose" and proceeds to setup all the video recording of his information to release upon 'death' because this made studied the void century and knew what the Will of D actually meant and he was like, I am gotta pull the Will of D on these people. He knew him dying would be more impactful because if the word thought he was dead, his message to everyone would stick because he 'died' for this and that his 'death' would get the World Government off his back. Which leads to this moment of the Vegapunk clone we are seeing, he wanted to retire and just be a peaceful researcher, which he can now do without feeling like he will be killed (and of course, no one can forget how he chose to forget everything and live react to the events happening on Egghead Island, like "WHAT? THEY ARE HERE?!")
The Luffy/NotShanks reunion might be bloody, if Luffy jumps in NotShank's arms unaware and gets badly stabbed or something. He's definetly going to let his guard down
I think kuma sacrificing his self in this arc makes a lot of sense. Oda tends to kill characters who are in the brink of death, ill or those who has fulfilled its dream. In kumas case, his dream is for bonney to get cured and meet nika which already fulfilled. He is also nearing death for all the injuries he got, and erased memories are irreversible.
The more I think about it, I don't know if Oda could bring himself to write a merry like scene for Kuma just because it would break bonney so much and since the story is nearing its end bonney doesn't need the growth she could probably get from Kuma's death. Kuma and Bonney are most likely getting their happy ending.
I think the fact that One Piece *does* have so many happy endings is what makes the real tragedies hurt all the more. Like, for instance - even in the event Bonney and Kuma have their 'happily ever after' we do have to realize that Kuma will, despite being alive and with his daughter whom he loves, have to carry the weight that Ginny was abused and killed by the World Government, and that Bonney will have a father but no mother. The happiest ending we can give those two is *still* bittersweet and I think that we need to remember that as we're moving forward. Even if Kuma *does* come back with all of his memories intact and gets to raise Bonney, the two of them *still* suffered hell to get there and lost a lot along the way. Their story is *still* a tragedy even if we revive Kuma. The Going Merry made me cry over a boat. I *still* cry sometimes thinking about that boat. And I just don't think Pell would have gotten that same reaction out of me if he *had* actually died. Like it wouldn't have really made that big of an impact. But Ace dying? That hurt, and that stuck around. I think that the most clear illustration of how death doesn't *always* make things better is Pedro. I don't think that him sacrificing himself really *helped* the story that much. Like, it happened and there are characters who are motivated by him and his death, including Luffy himself, but as a reader I'm not sure if we really felt that much impact you know? Like, would the story really have been *hurt* if Pedro had survived the explosion and escaped Whole Cake in a cover-story? And was the story really *helped* by him not? The only thing him not surviving did was prove that Oda *can* still kill of characters if he feels like it.
Characters not dying is not a problem, a story does not need death to be good, the problem is the constant fake deaths that only serve to milk the reader's emotions and break their trust. Every time someone "dies" in One Piece, no matter how emotional it is, you will always have in the back of your mind the idea that there is a 50/50 chance that they will return later, which takes away a lot of the weight that is the finality of death.
I have theorised that one of the gods knights who happened to be female would be based of the Amazonian empress Penthesilea who was one of the female 9 worthies characters who embody knightly aspects such as chivalry and that Penthesilea is known to carry a giant silver axe and judging from the bandaged woman's fringe I believe she could be the dead empress Tritoma brought back from the dead via black magic or maybe even the Rocks Pirate Silver Axe.
I absolutely get the wanting a happy story ,like personally impactful media is great ,but I'm depressed enough as is, I don't need a show to make my life any more miserable. Lol, solid Ripley pun, I dig it.
5:04 He created the satellites to be more productive / get more research done, but given that he made none of them look like him at all, maybe he didn’t like the idea of seeing 6 clones of himself walking around. perhaps the “humble” title comes from not being confident in his appearance 😅
I know that One Piece is the biggest money maker for this channel, but from what I've seen of Bleach is Hilarious, I think that format works extremely well for that story. I'm looking forward to when Byakuya tells Ichigo, 'Bitch, you ain't gettin' bankai in this life or the ne-' and then Ichigo just cuts him off by using his own bankai
Vegapunk split himself so he could work faster. Like how York can feed them all by using her gluttony. And Lilith isn't the evil parts, she's the primal aggression all humans possess. Her answer is violence, living adrenaline. She's wrath.
Lilith is evil because money is the root of all evil and piracy is evil. Given how she was willing to leverage finances against them, because she's greedy not wrath! Wrath is Atlas
I feel that the reason buccaneer are so feared is because of their amazing stamina their ability to recover from damage. I don’t think it was a mistake that on one panel oda missing a leg from damage from akainu then on the next he isn’t. Even though kuma was labotomized. Think he is slowly regain bits of his personality. His brain is healing. ❤️🩹. Now he may be regaining his missing pieces. He still needs to regain his memory a memory witness by both boney and vegapunk.
From what I remember he did the Satellite thing because he wanted to focus his time on just inventing. There was a mention of it in the Kuma flashback. I know Kuma being restored is seen as a Mickey but you cannot tell me that Bonney and Kuma don’t deserve being happy together.
Vegapunk original body coming back works great with Vegapunk-Revolutionary Army, them teaming up and eventually working with Big News Morgans (show the world Vegapunk is still “alive” discrediting the WG)
I thought I was 4 days late to a new reaction. Its been 4 hours and honestly I'm glad I caught this as one of the last episodes of this year. WE'RE CLOSE TO TOASTING TO BRINK'S BREW
He did it to conduct what's needed to be done. The same reason he has to throw away some of his own morals to accomplish many of the inventions he's requested to do.
the strawhats just escaped over 100 war ships, a great number of vice admirals, an admiral, and all five elders so seeing two yns with hooded mask show up on ELBAF got me terrified
Okay so genuinely to dive into the thinking of Vegapunk in regards to the satellites - Vegapunk worked previously with some *very* sociopathic and sadistic individuals, but those individuals were also scientific peers of his who were valuable enough for him to work with. Vegapunk either felt they shared comradery or felt that their talents were helpful enough that he was willing to work with them despite their 'evil' tendencies. I think that many of his advancements probably came from hearing out the ideas of those scientific peers of his, and then navigating the damage they would cause to human life to reduce it as much as he could. Thus - Vegapunk now on his own, decides that without people willing to disregard morality in order to advance science, he won't be able to progress the way he used to. So he splits himself up and tries to emphasize the emotions that he thinks will provide him the best outcomes as scientific peers to bounce ideas off of. The 'evil' Vegapunk in Lilith would happily pitch an underhanded but brilliant scheme to gain them some income, while the rest would then have to smooth out the edges of her plan (both in terms of recklessness and damage to either their reputation or equipment or whatever) before they can actually implement it. But if it was *just* Stella on his own, he might play with the idea but then simply discard it before making it actionable. So TLDR - (in my opinion) Vegapunk made different versions of himself which possessed his intellect and personality as a base, but then emphasized a portion of his own psyche as their specialty so that they could serve as his perfect scientific peers. This way he would have sounding boards for any idea he had, as well as getting to serve as the sounding board for the ideas of the other 'Punks, all without ever leaving the comfort of his island in search of scientific minds comparable to his own.
Loki putting up a front of being aggressive but actually being kind and sensitive underneath, that would also fit pretty well with his backstory we heard about with Lola. Like when we first met him, it seemed weird to me that someone so seemingly powerful and malevolent would have wanted to marry Lola simply out of love at first sight. But if we instead take that as bluster rather than his genuine personality, then it makes sense. Maybe losing Lola was actually what caused him to go all tsundere in the first place.
On the question of the Vegapunk clone (and Lilith/Evil), forgive me while I take the zany lore of the funny fictional pirate story way too seriously: The implication I got from what couple panels we've seen so far, is that the clone is a copy of Vegapunk himself (not sure yet whether of just the Stella or pre-Satellite "complete" Vegapunk), and would serve a completely different function from the Satellites - the purpose of the Satellites wasn't just to have more hands to work with, but to organize and delegate the separate and oftentimes conflicting desires of Vegapunk so he could pursue them all at once without distraction: Pythagoras to come up with ideas and theories, Edison to get his ideas on paper and in prototypes, Atlas to vent his frustrations, York to satisfy his basic animal desires, Shaka to plan out the big picture, and Lilith to execute on all of his intrusive thoughts (what "evil" really is in this context is lack of self-censorship or consideration of larger consequences, in contrast to Shaka's "good" being the limitations necessary to direct energy to the best possible outcome) The clone, meanwhile, doesn't perform any of the functions of the Satellites but instead would have served as a simple body-double - but one that could, I would imagine, be uploaded into Punk Records allowing Vegapunk to access his experiences as though he himself had been through them (but who would otherwise not have had the same strict delegation of thought and desire that the "proper" Satellites had)
I am pretty sure Vegapunk did the whole sattelite thing to optimize his brainpower- ie once he had the idea of making more bodies, or removing his brain and operating his body remotely (which would be a necessity once it grew big enough) he might have wanted more than just identical copies of himself. Basically he was smart enough to not want to make an echo chamber by just having more of himself, so he made the sattelites deliberately different, drawing on different parts of his personality to focus on, so they would work together, but have just slightly different ways of thinking so they could better cooperate. You can see this with some of their actions, Shaka is best at organizing the group and long term planning, Lilith is best at weaponizing their inventions- she is basically the neccessary evil in the conflict drive coming up with ways to use their ideas farther than the others would go- Atlas was the part that wanted to go and DO things, acomplish stuff with their inventions and punch evil in the face when they saw it, Prometheus was the reliable one, willing to stand by and manage experiments, edison was the one who could go and write up any ideas, capturing inspiration before it was lost, and York was supposed to manage any biological urges so the others could focus (especially important since two of the satelites seem to be entirely robotic, and they are the ones we see expressing such urges, which York then works through for them). The flaw was that Vegapunk didn't realize how far York would go, when he made her to indulge herself 24/7 he didn't realize that her greed, what she embodied, wouldn't be statisfied by that while Atlas for example was fine just punching fake monsters. The clone is either a straight up body double, another remote body for vegapunk's main personality, or a back up so he could be brought back. It will be interesting to see if the clone can access punk records, or if Lilith would need access to the acutual brain to set up such a connection.
good take with the satellites and diversity of perspectives but i feel if that concept was odas intention, he really couldve mentioned that bit in one speech bubble. just to make the satellites that bit more believable without one having to do deeper analysis.
@@the_pootisborn Uh, I'm pretty sure Oda DID mention it, certainly not in so many words but Vegapunk-prime (Stella) gave some reasoning for splitting himself along personality lines -- I don't think it needs deep analysis. Seriously, if a dude with a giant tongue and even bigger head (the top of which he chops off to make the core of his world's Internets) doesn't ruin your suspension of disbelief, why would the clones?
Yo, it wasn't till this video that I thought, what if the only reason oda brought up Lilith being able to easily bring back Kuma as so we would know exactly what we had lost when she dies in this arc. I remember reading somewhere. Someone theorized that the Vegapunk clone would be 20 years younger so theoretically it would have no knowledge of kuma's operation or how to reverse it
Listen, I watched Avatar. Giant owl in a giant, seemingly magical, library? Next thing you know there'll be a fox trying to guide me to some knowledge, meanwhile SOMEBODY is holding out on the cactus juice.
The purpose of the sattelite is to seperate the parts of himself pushing for different uses. Like, taking his genius and making it into a more efficient assembly line of ideas. It also helps to have differing viewpoints on ideas
Vegapunk having his personality separated into different facets of his mind, and then also just having a backup, reminds me of Red vs Blue and the whole Alpha Epsilon deal.
He learned the Yakuza speech from Jinbe as he did the exact same pose to Luffy when joining the Strawhats in Wano. In the Manga you only see his hand in the same gesture. The anime fleshed it out.
Goof, FYI: York does _not_ know Lilith is still alive because Edison(?) severed Lilith's connection to Punk Records at the end of Egghead, _before_ she made it off the island with the Straw Hats… That makes her just as massive a wild card as Luffy.
I’m excited for Elbaf’s cultural change, it’s a mirror of what genuinely happened to the Vikings in scandavia, down to the kings name being the same as the real king of Norway from the 10th century ad, who was known as “the last real Vikings” by some
Ok one thing people forget to point out Luffy knows about Saul Luffy knows about Saul cause Robin told them her tragic backstory Luffy heard Robin's tragic backstory Let me repeat that last one MONKEY D LUFFY, SAME GUY WHO FELL ASLEEP DURING JIMBE'S RECOLECTION OF FISHMAN ISLAND'S RACIST HORRIBLE HISTORY, THE SAME GUY WHO GAVE 0 SHITS ABOUT NAMI'S BACKSTORY HE HEARD ROBIN TALKING ABOUT HER PAST WITH SAUL
You asked why Vegapunk would make satellites when he has perfect clones. Efficiency and because he's the only one who can. Since his brain is constantly growing, he's able to take chunks out that continue growing. He wants time to research and experiment constantly, so he has built androids with different pieces of his brain. Each android gets delegated a role appropriate for its specialties, and each role is either something Vegapunk wishes he could do all the time, like research and development, or something irrelevant to science but required, like eating and sleeping. Having the satellites let's him create a perfect schedule of constant experimenting with zero interruptions and zero distractions AND they're all expendable and replaceable, as fragments of himself, so he doesn't even need to worry about their well-being. Clones are the whole package, original brain makeup, same (augmented) organic body and maybe even soul?! Clones are a liability, equally you as you, they can become you. Satellites are science+devil fruit brains in custom humanoid robot form, so they are useful tools that can be controlled and discarded. That's your answer, now my theory. I think they nerfed Vegapunk, because he's too smart, by saying he can't connect to Punk records and putting him a fresh body. He's just gonna be an eccentric and forgetful old man, now. Lilith will be his disgruntled caretaker, annoyed at his dodgering behavior. Should be laughs.
Storywise, Vegapunk having a backup clone makes sense. It may diminish the impact of the Stella getting killed but that already happened when Lillith explained that they all were fine cause robots. Its like when Krillin died in DBZ. It had an impact at the time but they have 2 sets of dragon balls, so as DBZA put it "why do you care? Why does anyone care? We have the dragon balls." It's shonen not GoT
I think Vegapunk and Kuma returning will lead to research about the afterlife, since souls are clearly a literal thing in OP. Plus Vegapunk himself said being unalive is weird for him because of his massive brain.
luffy was like hello good sir thank you for taking care of my daughter. robin is legit like 10 years older then most of them except Franky and brook and jinbe.
I do think it simply makes sense for Vegapunk to come back. We are our brains right? His consciousness is punk records - that's his literal brain in a giant jar, and it never died. What died was essentially a remote controlled body that interfaces with the world. Vegapunk lives as long as Punk Records lives, because who you are is in your brain, and his brain is still going strong.
This deactivated Stella is the one that went to Ohara and Elbaf, probably, since the World Government couldn't learn that Vegapunk was meddling with this. That's my theory, at least
I don't like that death doesn't have finality in the story, so to speak. I understand it's Oda's story to tell and I am gonna stick with it until the end. So much of what the characters do or say changes if they aren't saying it with their chest. The Ds dying with a smile on loses a lot of meaning if that death can be undone. Other characters actions would be less impactful if they weren't making them prepared to pay the price for them. DBZ had a similar problem with death not mattering because death had an in universe mechanic to become undone. We haven't seen that in one piece, so potentially introducing one in the endgame is wack.
Wouldn’t really mind kuma coming back to life. Bc at the end of the message, when VP was talking about the races, the buccaneers should be one of them. If they are going to be by the center of everything, kuma might as well be, as the last buccaneer, that we knownof
I like the idea of learning from Jinbe, but what about learning from Makino. I remember her teaching Ace and given Luffy was stuck to him like glue as a kid I could see him having a very stilted apology/thanks style from back then.
The satellite idea had the following flow: Man it's a pain to explain myself there has to be better way, I know what if there were more of me? but what if some were eyecandy?
So we are letting go of the fact the rainbow mist is a time phenomenon and that like a group of marines are active time travelers who just let history play out in the correct fashion for the entire rainbow mist arc to go on
If Elbaf is Fable but spelled backwards, is it possible that all or some of the happy moment stuff & whimsical fancy outside of the underworld is possibly some type of magical or devil fruit based illusion or reality manipulation. Maybe it's like a genjutsu from Naruto or a rewrite of reality that grants peoples desires but also allows them a certain level of autonomy. Might also have something to do with why Loki killed his father/King. The magic rainbows, Saul, Ohara books, Stella, the progressive giant kids etc. It all seems too convenient & maybe that's why you don't want to stay on Elbaf too long... it's literally dreams come true but in fantasy it's really easy for dreamlands to turn into or at least be connected to nightmarish hellscapes. Almost makes me think about Mass Effect & Reaper Indoctrination
There's no way Jim wasn't holding one in the chamber. He's a healthy role model- and is thus always prepared to wear his emotions openly. Look up Macho Man Randy Savage's interview with Arsenio Hall if you need a visual for our beloved Fishdad.
"Hey uh Vegapunk, why are 3 of your satellites women, two of them with attractive bodies and all of them representing negative aspects of you?" "Ah there's a perfectly logical explanation-" *blips out of existence for the rest of the chapter* Vegapunk should've just hit up Iva lol.
Ripley is just Rhea Ripley I'm 1000% convinced.
Dear god you’re right…
@@Mugiwaranogoofy Bro I took one look at her and said "Mami's always on top" 🤣
@ you a man of the people for real Loftwing 😂
I wouldn't mind either of them being my teacher or my mami 😅😂
@@Mugiwaranogoofy the wwe is hilarious would actually be super funny
If the younger generation aren’t warriors that gives ussop the chance to be the brave warrior of the sea he idolizes to them
Oooooooo you right!!!
OH MY GOD! That seems epic!
That's it!!! 😂 Are u oda?
That would be poetic justice in so many ways… and it's definitely something Oda would do!
I loved this opening page. Luffy learned from Ace that you should greet those, that helped your friends respectfully and the way Jimbei introduced himself again was probably the most respectful display of greetings he has seen so far
"Monkey D see Monkey D do" is my favourite line in this video lmao, that cracked me up a little too much tbh
It's Shanks' twin brothers clone
He learned the Yakuza way of speaking while he was in prison during Wano
Is that why he said "nobody", cause he learned not to snitch? That's funny.
@@TheKrigeron that would be hilarious and i wouldnt put it past Oda
This is exactly what jimbei said including the pose when jimbei joined. And yes its yakuza af
Or Rayleigh
I mean, tha5 makes sense given the old man that taught him Riuo (Conc Haki armor) was a Yakuza boss.
The thing that fascinates me about the Vegapunk death situation this week is that he's kinda had a death cheating contingency plan right under noses the whole time and people are still shocked. Oda was pretty adamant about explaining how Stella and the other Vegapunks work and their connection to PunkRecords, which is just his brain on life-support systems. Kizaru killed Stella, but Stella is not the kingpin of the Vegapunk system. As long as one of his other satellites are still around, he could potentially keep "respawning" Stellas from up in the clouds throughout time, assuming no one figures it out.
puts a whole new meaning to stella telling sanji to just let him die.
As much as it makes sense, it removes much stakes from the egghead arc.
It would have worked if those dumbass loser the gorosei could just kill them all but they are useless so yes the moment i saw being useless they stakes were already gone my god if saw saturn and thought something was gonna happen it's on u@@midknightshade330
Or if they decide to kill his brain. That seems pretty effective a solution
@@midknightshade330stop the cap, you people would have complained ten times harder if the smartest man in the world didn't have a contingency plan.
Y'all are lame af, just quit One Piece at this point.
2:03 If Luffy knew about Saul and the broad scope of the O'Hara Genocide, he'd straight up become a revolutionary.
No see, when the world government does it, it is not genocide.
If Loki had known about Luffys affinity for meat and offered him some in exchange for the keys to his binds, Luffy would not have hesitated to accept. And I am a monster, yes. >:)
Wherever the train goes I'm going and I'm having a good time. That's One Piece ❤
Truly!!
The best part of this chapter is seeing the names everyone is coming up with for Shanks' evil twin.
The two that arrived are Hank and Peggy
It amuses me more, that they're probably all wrong. As far as I was aware, Roger named Shanks, so there's no reason for his siblings to share any connection to the name (Unless there was a handy 'Figarland Shanks' stitched into his baby blanket or soemthing equally like that)
@@regiman222Pretty sure people are joking and nobody believe that the twin is called "Thanks" or any other dumb shi like that 😂
You need to remember that when Ace was being taught how to speak more politely Luffy was also there.
He was basing himself on jinbe doing his pose from wano
It's also him butchering Jinbe's introduction on Wano.
He wouldn’t remember all that and he’s speaking in a different way. Ace asked how to be polite/respectful. Luffy is acting like a mafia boss. He may have gotten the idea of thanking people from Ace but he didn’t take those lessons lmao. Not at that age
@@samfisher6606 yep
@@davidceres4516 I never said he took the lessons himself but rather he was present for Aces lessons
Jinbei taught him. It’s practically 1-1 with his official joining of the crew during onigashima
I always had this idea like, what if Lilith can’t restore his memories, bc bonnie already popped the backup bubble on egghead, but can synthesize his kind hearted nature or something and put it in s-bear, and Bonnie could raise him with the good life kuma deserved, it even calls back to when we theorized she was actually his mom
I think the least surprising thing to me is Vegapunk had a clone of the Stella ready and waiting. It was established that there were spare parts in Egghead, we even saw them, so I don't know why anybody would be surprised by this.
I'm torn on a Kuma revival. On the one hand, giving Bonney what she has been searching for would be amazing. She is still a kid. On the other, it almost feels like a Pell situation, especially since the Stella originally said that it couldn't be done.
Luffy learned that it is respectful to thank people for helping you, even if you didn't realize it, from Ace and Makino. That specific behavior he picked up in Wano, probably in Udon prison, and reinforced by Jinbe.
Favorite scene? Robin telling Saul that she found them, she found her nakama. Happy Robin makes me happy.
I’m also on board this crazy train. I mean Vegapunk and Kuma potentially being restored doesn’t undo the pain caused by their “deaths”. Doesn’t undo the lessons learned. Doesn’t undo the fact Bonney had to grow up and form her own pirate crew. If Kuma is restored to his normal self, it would be rewarding considering everything Bonney went through.
all I know is Loki’s backstory is going to be absolutely devastating and will make us all cry like babies
Shank's younger brother who could never live up to his fathers expectations and who his father didn't want/love. Because the son that he did want/love ran away as a baby and became a pirate.
And in order to try and get even the slightest bit of recognition from his father, the 2nd son got facial reconstruction to look like the son his father loved
I feel like that's wacky enough for oda
I guess he hadnt perfected the cloning process when he made the satellites.
Making the satellites part of the road to perfect cloning! And Vegapunk was getting on in years too, I wouldnt be surprised if the clone had a lil extra oomf engineered in.
Also that the clone (maybe) was made ‘at a certain point’ before he did something he hated, so once/whenever it wakes up, it’ll be free of that knowledge.
… _Or_ he was making up a lich system without making himself an undead first, and wants to see if satellites at-all work like a resync for wireless info.
this sounds very vegapunk
Itd be cool if the clone is a much younger Vegapunk. That'd be more interesting than just bringing the Stella back
I do like how some people are like "Vegapunk's death meant nothing or it was not impactful" but I disagree. Remembering this made had flashbacks basically of him figuring out that York is a traitor and is going to kill him but he was like "Nah, too easy to out her, I am gotta force her to win just to lose" and proceeds to setup all the video recording of his information to release upon 'death' because this made studied the void century and knew what the Will of D actually meant and he was like, I am gotta pull the Will of D on these people. He knew him dying would be more impactful because if the word thought he was dead, his message to everyone would stick because he 'died' for this and that his 'death' would get the World Government off his back. Which leads to this moment of the Vegapunk clone we are seeing, he wanted to retire and just be a peaceful researcher, which he can now do without feeling like he will be killed (and of course, no one can forget how he chose to forget everything and live react to the events happening on Egghead Island, like "WHAT? THEY ARE HERE?!")
Can't wait to get to know Shanks's hot brother and sister, Stabs and Shiv.
Thanks for posting on my birthday, goof :)
Ayyeee happy birthday!
Happy birthday
The Luffy/NotShanks reunion might be bloody, if Luffy jumps in NotShank's arms unaware and gets badly stabbed or something. He's definetly going to let his guard down
I think kuma sacrificing his self in this arc makes a lot of sense. Oda tends to kill characters who are in the brink of death, ill or those who has fulfilled its dream. In kumas case, his dream is for bonney to get cured and meet nika which already fulfilled. He is also nearing death for all the injuries he got, and erased memories are irreversible.
The more I think about it, I don't know if Oda could bring himself to write a merry like scene for Kuma just because it would break bonney so much and since the story is nearing its end bonney doesn't need the growth she could probably get from Kuma's death. Kuma and Bonney are most likely getting their happy ending.
I think the fact that One Piece *does* have so many happy endings is what makes the real tragedies hurt all the more.
Like, for instance - even in the event Bonney and Kuma have their 'happily ever after' we do have to realize that Kuma will, despite being alive and with his daughter whom he loves, have to carry the weight that Ginny was abused and killed by the World Government, and that Bonney will have a father but no mother. The happiest ending we can give those two is *still* bittersweet and I think that we need to remember that as we're moving forward. Even if Kuma *does* come back with all of his memories intact and gets to raise Bonney, the two of them *still* suffered hell to get there and lost a lot along the way. Their story is *still* a tragedy even if we revive Kuma.
The Going Merry made me cry over a boat. I *still* cry sometimes thinking about that boat. And I just don't think Pell would have gotten that same reaction out of me if he *had* actually died. Like it wouldn't have really made that big of an impact. But Ace dying? That hurt, and that stuck around. I think that the most clear illustration of how death doesn't *always* make things better is Pedro.
I don't think that him sacrificing himself really *helped* the story that much. Like, it happened and there are characters who are motivated by him and his death, including Luffy himself, but as a reader I'm not sure if we really felt that much impact you know? Like, would the story really have been *hurt* if Pedro had survived the explosion and escaped Whole Cake in a cover-story? And was the story really *helped* by him not? The only thing him not surviving did was prove that Oda *can* still kill of characters if he feels like it.
Characters not dying is not a problem, a story does not need death to be good, the problem is the constant fake deaths that only serve to milk the reader's emotions and break their trust.
Every time someone "dies" in One Piece, no matter how emotional it is, you will always have in the back of your mind the idea that there is a 50/50 chance that they will return later, which takes away a lot of the weight that is the finality of death.
I have theorised that one of the gods knights who happened to be female would be based of the Amazonian empress Penthesilea who was one of the female 9 worthies characters who embody knightly aspects such as chivalry and that Penthesilea is known to carry a giant silver axe and judging from the bandaged woman's fringe I believe she could be the dead empress Tritoma brought back from the dead via black magic or maybe even the Rocks Pirate Silver Axe.
I absolutely get the wanting a happy story ,like personally impactful media is great ,but I'm depressed enough as is, I don't need a show to make my life any more miserable. Lol, solid Ripley pun, I dig it.
I do think learned it from Jinbe
But I think it’s possible he learned if from Hyougoro while he was with him
5:04 He created the satellites to be more productive / get more research done, but given that he made none of them look like him at all, maybe he didn’t like the idea of seeing 6 clones of himself walking around. perhaps the “humble” title comes from not being confident in his appearance 😅
Zoro being lost in the moment 😂 I see what you did there
I know that One Piece is the biggest money maker for this channel, but from what I've seen of Bleach is Hilarious, I think that format works extremely well for that story.
I'm looking forward to when Byakuya tells Ichigo, 'Bitch, you ain't gettin' bankai in this life or the ne-' and then Ichigo just cuts him off by using his own bankai
3:45
even better, it looks like Jimbei is the one who asked where he learned it
Im somewhat imagining saul is put in danger and robin awakens out of a mixture of unhodly rage and refusal of god.
thatd be a great setup for a robin power up ngl
2:43 also most of the crew is older than him so it’s even funnier
Vegapunk split himself so he could work faster. Like how York can feed them all by using her gluttony. And Lilith isn't the evil parts, she's the primal aggression all humans possess. Her answer is violence, living adrenaline. She's wrath.
Wait, wasn't that Atlas' job? Violence!
Nah, that was Atlas' job, given most of what she did was running around running the ones with the holograms.
Lilith is evil because money is the root of all evil and piracy is evil. Given how she was willing to leverage finances against them, because she's greedy not wrath! Wrath is Atlas
I feel that the reason buccaneer are so feared is because of their amazing stamina their ability to recover from damage. I don’t think it was a mistake that on one panel oda missing a leg from damage from akainu then on the next he isn’t. Even though kuma was labotomized. Think he is slowly regain bits of his personality. His brain is healing. ❤️🩹. Now he may be regaining his missing pieces. He still needs to regain his memory a memory witness by both boney and vegapunk.
13:07 this is one piece akatsuki
From what I remember he did the Satellite thing because he wanted to focus his time on just inventing. There was a mention of it in the Kuma flashback.
I know Kuma being restored is seen as a Mickey but you cannot tell me that Bonney and Kuma don’t deserve being happy together.
Vegapunk original body coming back works great with Vegapunk-Revolutionary Army, them teaming up and eventually working with Big News Morgans (show the world Vegapunk is still “alive” discrediting the WG)
Yayyy daddy mugiwara posted!!!
I thought I was 4 days late to a new reaction. Its been 4 hours and honestly I'm glad I caught this as one of the last episodes of this year. WE'RE CLOSE TO TOASTING TO BRINK'S BREW
While I have your attention, bruh you're funny AF. I hope to watch more next year and you better watch Daima
Culture war so bad the english translation is still blushing whenever the Kamabakka shows up 😂
All the way back at Syrup Village, Luffy stole Shanks' line about guns, so he's more than ready to steal a line if he thinks it's cool.
bruh ofc its a yakuza voice Im so dumb lol, I thought he was talking like a cowboy because of Saul's hat lmao
Tsundere is pronounced like soon-dare-ay, and yes Loki absolutely is.
Kizaru and those 5 geriatrics attacking an island just to try to turn a computer off. funny shit. great video
This was the kind of chapter I needed to listen to you for
13:09 Bro it’s shanks’ brother stabs
love the 20' format, keep going, top 5 OP channel!
I love the idea of Zoro “getting lost” in the moment ‘while standing completely still’ 😂
The arc follows the Viking history. Eventually they did fade and stop raiding. They came to realize it wasn't sustainable.
Been waiting for this review for a while
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neither; it's closer to soon-DARE-ay
Im curious about the scale of the throne room they're in. Is it Harold's or is it like some old embassy if its human scaled?
He did it to conduct what's needed to be done. The same reason he has to throw away some of his own morals to accomplish many of the inventions he's requested to do.
the strawhats just escaped over 100 war ships, a great number of vice admirals, an admiral, and all five elders so seeing two yns with hooded mask show up on ELBAF got me terrified
Okay so genuinely to dive into the thinking of Vegapunk in regards to the satellites -
Vegapunk worked previously with some *very* sociopathic and sadistic individuals, but those individuals were also scientific peers of his who were valuable enough for him to work with. Vegapunk either felt they shared comradery or felt that their talents were helpful enough that he was willing to work with them despite their 'evil' tendencies. I think that many of his advancements probably came from hearing out the ideas of those scientific peers of his, and then navigating the damage they would cause to human life to reduce it as much as he could.
Thus - Vegapunk now on his own, decides that without people willing to disregard morality in order to advance science, he won't be able to progress the way he used to. So he splits himself up and tries to emphasize the emotions that he thinks will provide him the best outcomes as scientific peers to bounce ideas off of. The 'evil' Vegapunk in Lilith would happily pitch an underhanded but brilliant scheme to gain them some income, while the rest would then have to smooth out the edges of her plan (both in terms of recklessness and damage to either their reputation or equipment or whatever) before they can actually implement it. But if it was *just* Stella on his own, he might play with the idea but then simply discard it before making it actionable.
So TLDR - (in my opinion) Vegapunk made different versions of himself which possessed his intellect and personality as a base, but then emphasized a portion of his own psyche as their specialty so that they could serve as his perfect scientific peers. This way he would have sounding boards for any idea he had, as well as getting to serve as the sounding board for the ideas of the other 'Punks, all without ever leaving the comfort of his island in search of scientific minds comparable to his own.
Loki putting up a front of being aggressive but actually being kind and sensitive underneath, that would also fit pretty well with his backstory we heard about with Lola. Like when we first met him, it seemed weird to me that someone so seemingly powerful and malevolent would have wanted to marry Lola simply out of love at first sight. But if we instead take that as bluster rather than his genuine personality, then it makes sense. Maybe losing Lola was actually what caused him to go all tsundere in the first place.
On the question of the Vegapunk clone (and Lilith/Evil), forgive me while I take the zany lore of the funny fictional pirate story way too seriously:
The implication I got from what couple panels we've seen so far, is that the clone is a copy of Vegapunk himself (not sure yet whether of just the Stella or pre-Satellite "complete" Vegapunk), and would serve a completely different function from the Satellites - the purpose of the Satellites wasn't just to have more hands to work with, but to organize and delegate the separate and oftentimes conflicting desires of Vegapunk so he could pursue them all at once without distraction: Pythagoras to come up with ideas and theories, Edison to get his ideas on paper and in prototypes, Atlas to vent his frustrations, York to satisfy his basic animal desires, Shaka to plan out the big picture, and Lilith to execute on all of his intrusive thoughts (what "evil" really is in this context is lack of self-censorship or consideration of larger consequences, in contrast to Shaka's "good" being the limitations necessary to direct energy to the best possible outcome)
The clone, meanwhile, doesn't perform any of the functions of the Satellites but instead would have served as a simple body-double - but one that could, I would imagine, be uploaded into Punk Records allowing Vegapunk to access his experiences as though he himself had been through them (but who would otherwise not have had the same strict delegation of thought and desire that the "proper" Satellites had)
I am pretty sure Vegapunk did the whole sattelite thing to optimize his brainpower- ie once he had the idea of making more bodies, or removing his brain and operating his body remotely (which would be a necessity once it grew big enough) he might have wanted more than just identical copies of himself.
Basically he was smart enough to not want to make an echo chamber by just having more of himself, so he made the sattelites deliberately different, drawing on different parts of his personality to focus on, so they would work together, but have just slightly different ways of thinking so they could better cooperate. You can see this with some of their actions, Shaka is best at organizing the group and long term planning, Lilith is best at weaponizing their inventions- she is basically the neccessary evil in the conflict drive coming up with ways to use their ideas farther than the others would go- Atlas was the part that wanted to go and DO things, acomplish stuff with their inventions and punch evil in the face when they saw it, Prometheus was the reliable one, willing to stand by and manage experiments, edison was the one who could go and write up any ideas, capturing inspiration before it was lost, and York was supposed to manage any biological urges so the others could focus (especially important since two of the satelites seem to be entirely robotic, and they are the ones we see expressing such urges, which York then works through for them).
The flaw was that Vegapunk didn't realize how far York would go, when he made her to indulge herself 24/7 he didn't realize that her greed, what she embodied, wouldn't be statisfied by that while Atlas for example was fine just punching fake monsters.
The clone is either a straight up body double, another remote body for vegapunk's main personality, or a back up so he could be brought back. It will be interesting to see if the clone can access punk records, or if Lilith would need access to the acutual brain to set up such a connection.
good take with the satellites and diversity of perspectives but i feel if that concept was odas intention, he really couldve mentioned that bit in one speech bubble. just to make the satellites that bit more believable without one having to do deeper analysis.
@@the_pootisborn Uh, I'm pretty sure Oda DID mention it, certainly not in so many words but Vegapunk-prime (Stella) gave some reasoning for splitting himself along personality lines -- I don't think it needs deep analysis. Seriously, if a dude with a giant tongue and even bigger head (the top of which he chops off to make the core of his world's Internets) doesn't ruin your suspension of disbelief, why would the clones?
Yo, it wasn't till this video that I thought, what if the only reason oda brought up Lilith being able to easily bring back Kuma as so we would know exactly what we had lost when she dies in this arc. I remember reading somewhere. Someone theorized that the Vegapunk clone would be 20 years younger so theoretically it would have no knowledge of kuma's operation or how to reverse it
Luffy talking to Saul for me is he trying to express gratitude like when Ace was trying to not talk impolitely on the flashback with Makino and Luffy
Listen, I watched Avatar. Giant owl in a giant, seemingly magical, library? Next thing you know there'll be a fox trying to guide me to some knowledge, meanwhile SOMEBODY is holding out on the cactus juice.
Nice vid mate
The purpose of the sattelite is to seperate the parts of himself pushing for different uses. Like, taking his genius and making it into a more efficient assembly line of ideas.
It also helps to have differing viewpoints on ideas
I feel like having the perfect copy makes total sense for Vegapunk, he kept it a secret of the elders for his own security
Vegapunk having his personality separated into different facets of his mind, and then also just having a backup, reminds me of Red vs Blue and the whole Alpha Epsilon deal.
Exactly!!!!!!!! You get it. I’m just on this fucking joyride until wheels fall off.
He learned the Yakuza speech from Jinbe as he did the exact same pose to Luffy when joining the Strawhats in Wano.
In the Manga you only see his hand in the same gesture. The anime fleshed it out.
Goof, FYI: York does _not_ know Lilith is still alive because Edison(?) severed Lilith's connection to Punk Records at the end of Egghead, _before_ she made it off the island with the Straw Hats…
That makes her just as massive a wild card as Luffy.
The way lufy talks to Saul is similar to how he's heard the giants talk. Particularly they use the word yungins frequently
I’m excited for Elbaf’s cultural change, it’s a mirror of what genuinely happened to the Vikings in scandavia, down to the kings name being the same as the real king of Norway from the 10th century ad, who was known as “the last real Vikings” by some
Ok one thing people forget to point out
Luffy knows about Saul
Luffy knows about Saul cause Robin told them her tragic backstory
Luffy heard Robin's tragic backstory
Let me repeat that last one
MONKEY D LUFFY, SAME GUY WHO FELL ASLEEP DURING JIMBE'S RECOLECTION OF FISHMAN ISLAND'S RACIST HORRIBLE HISTORY, THE SAME GUY WHO GAVE 0 SHITS ABOUT NAMI'S BACKSTORY
HE HEARD ROBIN TALKING ABOUT HER PAST WITH SAUL
You asked why Vegapunk would make satellites when he has perfect clones. Efficiency and because he's the only one who can. Since his brain is constantly growing, he's able to take chunks out that continue growing. He wants time to research and experiment constantly, so he has built androids with different pieces of his brain. Each android gets delegated a role appropriate for its specialties, and each role is either something Vegapunk wishes he could do all the time, like research and development, or something irrelevant to science but required, like eating and sleeping. Having the satellites let's him create a perfect schedule of constant experimenting with zero interruptions and zero distractions AND they're all expendable and replaceable, as fragments of himself, so he doesn't even need to worry about their well-being. Clones are the whole package, original brain makeup, same (augmented) organic body and maybe even soul?! Clones are a liability, equally you as you, they can become you. Satellites are science+devil fruit brains in custom humanoid robot form, so they are useful tools that can be controlled and discarded. That's your answer, now my theory.
I think they nerfed Vegapunk, because he's too smart, by saying he can't connect to Punk records and putting him a fresh body. He's just gonna be an eccentric and forgetful old man, now. Lilith will be his disgruntled caretaker, annoyed at his dodgering behavior. Should be laughs.
He learned from our beloved sharkman
"Writing hall monitor" is such a good phrase.
Storywise, Vegapunk having a backup clone makes sense. It may diminish the impact of the Stella getting killed but that already happened when Lillith explained that they all were fine cause robots. Its like when Krillin died in DBZ. It had an impact at the time but they have 2 sets of dragon balls, so as DBZA put it "why do you care? Why does anyone care? We have the dragon balls." It's shonen not GoT
I think Vegapunk and Kuma returning will lead to research about the afterlife, since souls are clearly a literal thing in OP. Plus Vegapunk himself said being unalive is weird for him because of his massive brain.
13:38 I think it’s Garland and Imu just made him look younger
luffy was like hello good sir thank you for taking care of my daughter. robin is legit like 10 years older then most of them except Franky and brook and jinbe.
I do think it simply makes sense for Vegapunk to come back. We are our brains right? His consciousness is punk records - that's his literal brain in a giant jar, and it never died. What died was essentially a remote controlled body that interfaces with the world. Vegapunk lives as long as Punk Records lives, because who you are is in your brain, and his brain is still going strong.
2:40 he learned while watching ACE practice to thank Shanks for keeping Luffy safe.
Wasn’t it from Jimbei on wano when he reunited with the strawhats
This deactivated Stella is the one that went to Ohara and Elbaf, probably, since the World Government couldn't learn that Vegapunk was meddling with this. That's my theory, at least
Merry Chrysanthemum ,I hate you goofy 😂😂😂💀💀💀j.k. you're the best
13:39 i like to think is moon hair Guy made young again
I don't like that death doesn't have finality in the story, so to speak. I understand it's Oda's story to tell and I am gonna stick with it until the end. So much of what the characters do or say changes if they aren't saying it with their chest. The Ds dying with a smile on loses a lot of meaning if that death can be undone. Other characters actions would be less impactful if they weren't making them prepared to pay the price for them. DBZ had a similar problem with death not mattering because death had an in universe mechanic to become undone. We haven't seen that in one piece, so potentially introducing one in the endgame is wack.
I think it’s a psych out, VP doesn’t really have anything much to do in the story anymore, so I’m hoping this doesn’t go well
Wouldn’t really mind kuma coming back to life. Bc at the end of the message, when VP was talking about the races, the buccaneers should be one of them.
If they are going to be by the center of everything, kuma might as well be, as the last buccaneer, that we knownof
He might have learned it from his adopted mom. The mountain bandits
I like the idea of learning from Jinbe, but what about learning from Makino. I remember her teaching Ace and given Luffy was stuck to him like glue as a kid I could see him having a very stilted apology/thanks style from back then.
Being a shanks twin makes more sense for him being in that treasure chest.
Already dying at the title, how u know it’s gonna be a good watch
The satellite idea had the following flow: Man it's a pain to explain myself there has to be better way, I know what if there were more of me? but what if some were eyecandy?
So we are letting go of the fact the rainbow mist is a time phenomenon and that like a group of marines are active time travelers who just let history play out in the correct fashion for the entire rainbow mist arc to go on
If Elbaf is Fable but spelled backwards, is it possible that all or some of the happy moment stuff & whimsical fancy outside of the underworld is possibly some type of magical or devil fruit based illusion or reality manipulation. Maybe it's like a genjutsu from Naruto or a rewrite of reality that grants peoples desires but also allows them a certain level of autonomy. Might also have something to do with why Loki killed his father/King. The magic rainbows, Saul, Ohara books, Stella, the progressive giant kids etc. It all seems too convenient & maybe that's why you don't want to stay on Elbaf too long... it's literally dreams come true but in fantasy it's really easy for dreamlands to turn into or at least be connected to nightmarish hellscapes. Almost makes me think about Mass Effect & Reaper Indoctrination
It's just a guy that looks a lot like Shanks. They've never met before.
That man luffy dug deep to remember those lessons he learned as a kid
The very chapter robin joined she accused Luffy of saving her from dying as if she wanted to so.
@12:00 it's "Soon-dur-ray"
There's no way Jim wasn't holding one in the chamber. He's a healthy role model- and is thus always prepared to wear his emotions openly. Look up Macho Man Randy Savage's interview with Arsenio Hall if you need a visual for our beloved Fishdad.
"Hey uh Vegapunk, why are 3 of your satellites women, two of them with attractive bodies and all of them representing negative aspects of you?"
"Ah there's a perfectly logical explanation-" *blips out of existence for the rest of the chapter*
Vegapunk should've just hit up Iva lol.
I liked your edison impression at the beginning of the video