Commander VS S14E6: Depala vs Zur vs Tasigur vs Jeleva [EDH]
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"I'm'a remand it....I don't have a remand....Did I not take the remand?". That's why I'm #TeamGreen
Jon: "If you don't cast Austere Command, I'll leave Jeleva alone for 5 turns."
Stephen: "Deal. I cast this completely unrelated spell targeting you."
Jon: "I exile Jeleva."
Couldn't even keep his word for a full turn, let alone 5.
Pretty big deal here, when Jeremy died, the Grasp of Fate no longer being on the battlefield means that the exiling of cards like the Mind Dilation would return. This is different from cards like Oblivion Ring, which have a second ability that is used for returning the cards, which would not trigger if that card were the card in question instead. Stephen Green having Mind Dilation every turn after Jeremy dies changes the game IN A HUUUGE WAY.
Stephen brings up an interesting point... if you Mindslaver an opponent and while you control their turn you complete their hidden role, do you get their point?
A 3.5 hour long game, you say... Well, there goes my workday.
I've been watching commander versus since before seasons, but I gotta say, this season has had some of the best games! Keep it up guys #TeamGreen
Astral slide added 2 hours to this game 😂
this is like... the third or fourth time he's run that same deck. it's always SO MUCH FUN to watch zzzzzzz. in the future if you see jon playing zur just hit the back button and save yourself three hours.
@@ttuts9082 i like the long games
@@Dark-Pikachu1 me too thanks
not sure if someone said this already, but when jeremy died everyone wouldve gotten their stuff under grasp of fate, its not like o-ring. its all one effect so when it leaves no trigger is put on the stack. its on the gather page lol.
Thanks for spoiling if going spoiled you should put your comment on bottom
The Mind's Dilation trigger, and thus the spell cast off it, resolves before the spell that triggered it.
I noticed that mistake as well. Also, I believe that because Mind's Dilation is a 'may' and Krosen Grip has Split Second he could not cast it anyways and it'd just remain exiled.
@@54m0h7 Even if Mind's Dilation didn't say 'may,' he would still be prohibited from playing it.
@@54m0h7 this is why i came to comment, but its been said.
Took me awhile, but Stephen's shaved face reminds me of the cartoon baby in Roger Rabbit...just need the cigar.
Really really need more PSA on Split second... 2:04:44
Mind's Dilation resolves BEFORE krosan resolves, effectively countering the exiled card.
Split second just says you cant cast spells or activate abilities while it's on the stack. It does NOT say ignore stack rules or triggers.
I only mention this because it drastically affected so much of the interactions at that point of the game. It was not the only stack order issue at that point. Messy stack is bad juju.
Disappointed...Came to get a glance of Justin's nips only to find out he's wearing a sweatshirt this week 😭
Must have been cold in the studio.
At 2:05 there is a misunderstanding of how Split Second works. It does not prevent objects from being put on the stack. It only prevents (all) players from casting and activating. The trigger from Mind's Dilation would still go on the stack, and resolve before Krosan Grip. Mind's Dilation's ability will exile the top card, but it can't be cast, because Krosan Grip is on the stack.
This distinction is also important for Counterbalance. Counterbalance can, in fact, counter Krosan Grip.
Interestingly something that is not a spell or an abillity also works, a good example is unmorphing a card like willbender to redirect a kroson grip.
I love the way Stephen just starts flipping off Suarez with his points near the end.
Game starts at 13:45
Damnit Steven, why didn't you Merciless Eviction the enchantments and Go for the Throat on the Sun Titan? Would have shut Jon down something fierce, though I don't think he would have survived the turrn afterr anyhow.
Top Three Poll Idea: 1. Top Three Times I was scared by Jonathan Suarez' irl steely death gaze, often in response to something Mr. Green has said/done. 2. Top Three Times Mr. Green has managed to Buffalo someone into not attacking him simply by using the irl Chewbacca Defense. 4. Top Three Jeremy Noell most passive-aggressive moments :) 5. Top Three Times Justin Parnell's Face Fell as he dug through his library with some cool draw engine and realized there was no card in it that could save him.
Adam Rawn what happened to #3
I love that Mr. Green held the cards up to the Camera and Director Kyle said it was good enough because we could see the pictures. New players don't know, but once you really get into the game, you memorize all as many cards as you can by their pictures just to make it easy to recall them whenever necessary.
That being said. It's always a good idea to read the cards that are played carefully.
I really love that Justin and Steven show that it's better for two people to have double mana than one.
Love it. Commander is the best game
I love how sad Kyle sounded "Well I...I put 'Cast"..."
Mad respect for Justin’s hoodie.
No Ads on this video! Amazing
Ads are back now damn
Im kind of late to the party but for the next "zombie Invasion" can we get reverse zombies where you all play zombies and the super deck is like angels and humans and paladins and stuff
I just want to point out that Stephen could have also gone the route of rebound cards or also used Narset, Enlightened Master as his commander to achieve his role.
Justin says “I haven’t done anything to deserve respect this game” he is the only one who did anything to deserve respect XD, no one else stood up to the BS
Stephen not destroying all enchantments was a bad idea
Who's the new guy with the black shirt who took the place of Stephen Green ?
Estevan Verde
It's Lazav in disguise.
#TeamGreen - Steaven casts his lands though, so they should count for his hidden role.
I love the Duke Hoodie, Justin Parnell!!!! 👍❤️
Duke shirt in last place. That made me smile.
I'm surprised all the card sleeves Jon has man-handled haven't filed assault charges on him. I have never in my life seen anyone abuse sleeves the way he does.
I wanna see Justin play an updated version on this once kaldheim comes out
Stephen does look freaking weird without the beard ...
It's so hard to follow what is going on and which triggers are on the stack.
The longest video to date. Love it, keep it up!
Well, slide Zur will do that.
The speedway fanatic would have been insane if it lived throughout the game haha. Also John could have untaped one of Justin's creature with vizier so he could crew again
Hey Stephen was that a system of a down reference with the everybody everybody everybody statement lmao
Love how these are getting longer 😂
"Boros locket is half an artifact." lol
Jeremy's head looks abnormally large even with perspective at 1:30:24
I imagine gameplay is different for entertainment purposes, but in real life you should always just murder the Zur player first, barring a more broken commander.
No, you don't understand, this is a fair Zur deck.
Thankfully this isn't doomsday-Lab maniac cheese
@@apparentbliss If he is playing it more competitively it's very hard to beat because he makes multiple copies of astral slide and locks everyone else's creatures out of the game.
Justin had tribal as well which makes me happy.
John's role seems silly, if he just saves them he gets a point anyway
I might be wrong buuuuut if im not mistaken : you cant flip a instant or Sorcery, basicly the only things that can be flipped over are non-land permanents
For Manifesting you are correct. Stephen's enchantment has two abilities though.
It would be only creatures, but Steven's enchantment lets you exile the card to cast it.
1:00:25 Actually, Even if you do put your commander in the command zone during an 'Exile until X' Effect, it will still come back. Well, for most cards anyone, there are some wonky wordings out there but most don't actually care which zone the card is put in.
Oh, And a little later at 1:02:44 You don't shuffle for chaos warp if there is nothing shuffled in, you just reveal the top card.
2:31:10 The return of cards from Grasp of fate is due to a duration (Like banisher priest) not a trigger (Like Fiend Hunter) So the cards under it do return if the player controlling it leaves the game.
And that's all from your local lvl. 1 Pedant. Great games.
@@CuriousGearge Chaos Warp statement is not true according to the comprehensive rules. It's fine to do that in a casual game, though.
Stephen could have made his role a lot easier by going for Food Chain + Misthollow Griffin/Eternal Scourge.
And the new Squee
10:29 I see our little friend
That was so looooooooooooong. Hope you had fun at MF Cleveland! :D
Sometimes it should be okay to Call out miss trigger for rhystic study
Sporting the Duke hoodie!!
Some decklists maybe ?
#TeamParnell
Love the hidden objectives!
They should call this episode 'Beardos vs. Babyfaces'!😂😂😂
#TeamParnell. Justin, I have a deck for you. Now I know you hate Kamigawa, but I don't think the other three really understand why you hate it and they need to be instilled with fear of it. Reki, the History of Kamigawa is mono-green storm. You're gonna cast many spells each turn and keep drawing cards so you can keep casting legends. This is by far my favorite deck to play and I really want you to show off this underplayed Commander. Here's the decklist: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1446183#paper
I included a deck deck description too. I'm going to keep posting this on every video until you play it. I'm a huge fan.
They let Jon cry his way to a win here
LOL I notice Jon gets pretty snippy when he feels like he is close to a win. I have a buddy who does that, sits there bemoaning the lack of mana and then they play Iona with a Helm of Hosts in play after you left them alone for a few pitiful turns...I lost it! I spent the whole game kicking arse with my Mardu EDH deck and he spends each turn crying, than *BOOM* IONA stole my victory. I love how he argues that Iona cost 9cmc and makes it O-K to play... #FookinBanIonaAlready or #AlwaysPlayBlue
It blows my mind that against a combination of all 5 colors, not a single person could deal with Jon. Sounds to me like people need to learn how to build EDH decks. The one person capable of dealing with it got taken out because of Stephen's stupidity. GG.
Around the 2 and a half hour mark you can feel the aggression it's so funny they all want the game to end and they all wanted to win this is a classic edh game
If someone wants to make a pic Jon is Thanos with millions of cards in hand
Is Pilot Exemplar vehicle deck strong? I love vehicle 60 card decks and was thinking about making a commander version with that commander in it
I laugh at the Ivan Drago quote "If he dies, he dies." 😂😂
Jeleva leaving the battlefield doesn't prevent the cards she exiled from being cast in future turns fyi
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So the Tarmogoyf hidden role, did Jeremy clarify with Kyle that anthem effects wouldn't work? I feel like though it would have been out of the spirit of the role, it would have been a cheeky/easier way to get it.
It was said counters/buffs would work but was not in the spirit of the role
Jeremy, did you know Commander's Quaters built a 25 $ budget Tasigur deck that was inspired by yours? I'm so gonna try it out, it's just 25 $ anyway.
Honestly, I think Justin's secret role for the next episode isn't as hard as he thinks. I can already think of what I would do to get it.
Jeremy with a Dungeon and dragon shirt for shadowing DD set in 2021
Who else wants a playmat of that scene of hulk Stephen
I'd love to see the contest prize be that they make it into a playmat:p
Jeleva makes me sad. The card would be a really cool general if they printed it today and gave her the text they now use for these cards - exile things with a counter and then let the card let you cast things from exile that have that counter - so she could cast everything EVER exiled with her. Ok, maybe she'd need to be nerfed a bit in that case. But we're stuck with this version, which means that A) she kinda sucks, and B) this set of abilities is now taken, so there's virtually no chance they'll print the updated version.
1:38:15 A manifested creature card may be turned face up for its mana cost. A manifested noncreature card can't be turned face up this way.
Source: mtg.gamepedia.com/Manifest
The enchantment steven has has the ability "Exile a face down permanent you control: You may cast the exiled card." So while the ruling you quoted is correct, it doesn't apply here.
2:21:19 Mr. Green, please. My delicate ears...
Do you guys have competitive commander videos? First Zur swing wasn't diplomatic immunity or necropotence so I knew it was casual but those 4 commander built fully competitive with fast Mana would be an interesting watch much shorter videos but I love competitive multi player commander idk why people frown on it
See, I was all team Parnell when I saw him wear that Green Bay hoodie. But now, seeing him in a Puke hoodie, this man deserves 1 point a game for the rest if time
Justin didn't need to swing with anything...just crew vehicles with vehicles, EOT Throne hits Jon, eventually Jon eats it.
I have an Arcum Dagsson vehicle deck, that works sooooooooo well :D
Crewing 3 vehicles with only other vehicles would require 4 vehicles or a vehicle that is already a creature. When Justin thought he completed his role, he crewed Smuggler's Copter with a Restoration Specialist (creature), then crewed the Untethered Express with Smuggler's Copter, then crewed the Mobile Garrison with the Untethered Express. That means only two of the 3 vehicles were crewed with only other vehicles. Not that it really matters since he played a 4th vehicle the next turn and could have done it then but WOW. Only Jeremy actually was able to comprehend what his role was and complete it correctly the first time during the game. Side note: Stephen not exiling enchantments with Merciless Eviction gave Suarez the win.
You can crew more than once. He did have it. Creature crews V1, V1 crews V2, V2 crews V3, then V3 recrews V1 or V2.
@@TheFreckledFatGuy That makes sense. Good catch.
@@TheFreckledFatGuy Although technically the Smuggler's Copter was still crewed by a creature and not *only other vehicles* so his role wasn't completed properly.
@@edh_alters7116 right, but they stated it could've been done so they gave it to him. The point they made was that it could've been done had he recrewed. No point in making someone do it all over again when they're not really doing anything to begin with. Especially in a game that lasts this long.
@@TheFreckledFatGuy Ah I see. Thanks for clearing that up I was confused hah.
My lord. That spelltwine. Naming Artifacts??? Oooooof
Michael Marshall I will also be #TeamGreen but that Spelltwine was scuffed. Naming artifacts and playing useless Apex....yikes
Longtime watcher and flipfloper between team green and team parnell, but that jacket has sealed my fate......... Team GREEN and TAR HEEL FOR LIFE! Posted 2 mins into the video 6 hours before the rivalry game. lol
Just so you know, Stephen and I are both lifelong Duke fans. Sorry to ruin your dreams!
Is the gang gonna be at MagicFest Tampa Bay?
Depala + Teshar! Jeleva theft! Zur Slide! I love this game!
Aww was hoping for the sun titan to bring back the 'don't blow up my stuff enchantment' - don't know if it's a valid target? Maybe it costs 4 for karmic justice?
Also John, it's alittle specail to complain about having graveyard hate, and the previous turn you demonic tutored. The Sun Titan is still a good get, but you had an option to shut down the enchantment destruction.
I think John's mistake woth his hidden role was picking a commander that the other players know is powerful and annoying. He needed something that could be some sort of control or a not very threatening deck like Justins so he could fulfill it while not being the table treat at the time 😆
Does anyone notice that beardless Stephen looks like a puppet? 😂😂😂
Can we turn these point total pictures into playmats!?!?
Just win a game Justin! It’s so simple!
why cant I copy and paste the decklists?
Is it just me, or is Justin slowly absorbing Jeremy Noell's lifeforce? If you swapped glasses and Justin shaved his beard, they would look identical.
EDIT: Having watched further in the episode, that's a very impressive search from Justin.
How did Stephen cast Damnation? Wasn't it Manifested face-down?
His enchantment allows him to exile it and then cast it from exile. Its the bottom portion of the card that manifested the card in the first place.
It seems like there's a reverb in the background? Roughly a third of the way through I really noticed.
If vehicles or dwarves didnt suck depala would be very powerful
OK real talk I need that picture of hulk Stephen.
How did Etali attack the turn it came in?
Could have cast the 7 exiled cards using any color mana
man i miss justin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#TeamGreen Stephen is the best baby faced cinnamon roll.
I kinda felt bad for justin this episode simply put boros needs love badly. Its very clear that white is only good with a better support color or 2+ colors. Reds power level has gotten higher in recent years. I love jeleva it was my first pick when that commander set came out.
Deck lists please
Why didn’t Jeremy use his Mnemonic Betrayal to Rakdos Charm Jon’s graveyard?
Becuase the betrayal has already exiled.its hard to exile something thats already exiled
on CMDR Vs you CAST lands and pay for R-study! Did you pay? lol
This one was fun
Hey will you guys do a mean tweet / TH-cam comments again? I loved those at the end of the early seasons