57:00 I think Sam Reid said in the interview that when Louis & Armand confronted Lestat in the tower, he assumed that Louis knew he saved him during the trial, and still chose to leave with Armand. Lestat accepted his choice as both his puniishment for not being strong enough to save Claudia too (as Jacob said in post-episode insider) and indicator of genuine character growth after the murder attempt. Also, some of Lestat's behavior in last two episodes makes more sense if you keep in mind that so far we had met "the real Lestat" once in 2x08, and other Lestats are Louis's version (tainted by him thinking that Lestat wanted him and Claudia dead) and Armand's version (that makes Armand look better).
I just wanted to remind everyone that Claudia mother died in childbirth and she never had a relationship with her real father because left her to her aunt that would physically abuse her, so is understandable why Claudia is also a little co-dependant on Louis, for her, he is the only person that show her loved and also Lestat, that is why when Louis leaves the scene and Claudia is executed, she turn to see Lestat one last time.
The 128 guys Louis killed weren't interviewing him. He fucked then drain them to get high off of their blood. Daniel is the first one that interviews him. Also Telemasca says there were 4 other interviewers to Daniel in 2022, I think Armand was trying to appease Louis because the reason Louis wanted to do the interview after San Francisco is to fix the holes in his memory(that Armand put there). So Armand tries to appease him with other people who are not Daniel that has actual connection with Louis and that can't really break through Armand's control like Daniel can.
I am intrigued by the idea that at least one of the other interviewers was turned into a vampire. I just imagine James returning to the motherhouse looking gloomy, and one of his colleagues wipes a chalkboard that now says, "It's been 0 days since we lost an asset". 😅
I don't think that line was well prhased - but I interpreted what RJ said was implying Daniel wasn't the first to try to share the existence of vampires with the world ( through the interview/book he wants to write) - not that other people have specifically tried to interview Louis.
As a longtime book fan I think they absolutely nailed the writing, casting and portrayal of Armand. He is this angelic, adorable little guy who can turn nasty in a second. He is the worst and I hate him, but that’s only because he is so well written. His backstory is brutal, and his relationship with his maker was all kinds of messed up. He does what he does because he can’t overcome his trauma. I loved all of the writing and performances but that they got Armand right was the biggest surprise for me.
Gonna miss Claudia a lot, Claudia is the representation of Anne Rice's daughter who died at that time while Louis is based on herself and Lestat is based of her husband, Lestan. I would cry when the show will adapt Viktor's story later because Viktor is Lestat & Louis' son, it happened years after Claudia in the book. I would cry because Viktor is their child who's gonna survive, who will marry later, have family with Rose, it's beautiful how Lestat & Louis learn a lot how to be a good parents ❤
Armand didn't make the laws. He literally says he was sent there on behalf of another group. Armand is a mid-level manager who's been forced into the job, who faces consequences if he doesn't uphold.
You're so clever and entertaining! I literally watch shows like a goldfish, no thoughts just watching and then I go to TH-cam and have someone explain what I just saw 😂
armand actually didn't write the plays, he's the theatre director and sam is the the playwright - but i do agree with your thoughts of armand though, i think it's easy for the fandom to love him and symphatize with him if they see him as the character he is in the later books (after the character development) but right now all our negative feelings about him are valid, the most we could do is sympathize and understand him as a character (and why he's done the choices that he's made so far) but not excuse the horrible shit that gremlin has done
also love his characterization (the writers of this show are so good i could kiss them ughh!!) how they showed that armand as a character needs control, but he's also someone who never had a healthy relationship in his long life and in effect he lets his partners take advantage of him - whether it be to groom him, s.a. him, use him for his gift, or dom him and order him around - he lets all of these happen because in his perspective that is the only way to keep them. armand you horrible broken soul 😩
So, this video just appeared on my feed and I can say I'm already in love and really, really glad I found someone like you talking about IWTV! I'm a Black Literature teacher from Brazil and the show was one of the few things that kept going after being hit by the floods around here - it almost took me, actually. 😥 Anyway, I love the subject so much cuz I'm all about stories like The Black Vampyr: The Legend of St. Domingo (Which is older than Dracula) and Fledgling by Octavia Butler. I could say a lot more, but the thing is: thank you so much for your amazing work here!
thank you so much. this felt like the long dish sesh with a friend/fan i needed. i cannot tell you how many times i yelled "PREACH" at my monitor. Excellent takes. 10/10
15:02 I feel like, with the whole bit about how Louis is so closed off to some of these deep questions is truly the reason for this interview. He knows he finds it near impossible to confront his past, but whether consciously or subconsciously he knows he needs to. Yes, sometimes hen Daniel gets under his skin he lashes out, but sometimes he really begins to actually understand his past, like in the first episode of season 2 where he starts crying but he says he wants this, he wants to remember even though it hurts. He knows Daniel will throw him out of his comfort zone and even though his defences come up plenty, it obviously by the end does him a great deal of good. He's asked for this interview because he knows he doesn't like confronting the truth and he also knows this is a problem, and feeling forced to confront his past is the only way he's ever gonna do it.
I find it interesting when even the audience doesn't find Armand and Louis’s relationship interesting or may I say, fascinating. not saying everyone who watches the show agrees or feels the same way. But I'm saying is for those who do, I think its interesting.
It's a good analysis but I think what's missing somewhat is the fact that we have two unreliable narrators and their interpretation of their history with Lestat - you do mention that but quite a bit of your analysis is still based on taking these two at their word. I personally didn't believe half of what Armand said, most certainly not his retelling of the relationship he allegedly had with Lestat. And as you so astutely stated, Louis has a victim complex. He's got a very external locus of control. He blames other people for things that happen to him. He does not accept responsibility and acknowledges his own agency in his life. The interview is also a second version of a story that is vastly different from what he told before, so his credibility is already in question. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of the real Lestat in his own words in season 3. I actually find this TV version of Louis quite abusive by withholding, stonewalling and making false promises, exhibting violence himself (to his brother for instance) and so on and so on. Not saying that what happened between them was not messy, violent and terrible, what I'm saying is that Louis spent a lot of time retelling his life and turning it into a story he finds palatable. That said, they are all deliciously damaged and I love following their drama. I just enjoy Lestat's unhinged escapades more than Armand's pseudo-moralist moping (he's a delightfully scheming gremlin, I'll give him that).
The second interview implies a more honest take, save for several minor instances, or the tone of certain events (Louis admitting Lestat's reluctance in turning Claudia, 'was it raining, Louis?', 'she could dream, thank you'), except for Armand's memory wipes and alterations, which also get revealed and the interview wraps up holding a certain credibility. (they're simply not doing a third interview with Louis, you got his story, and if you doubt it in majority, I do wonder why) Talk of Louis being 'abusive' while failing to mention the circumstances he was in is dishonest. In regard to him threatening Paul 'You couldn't look weak on Liberty' in Louis' own words. His life at that point is complete posturing, a mask of bravado to protect himself and try to thrive as an in-the-closet gay black man in the Jim Crow south. Since you chose to compare show Louis to book Louis, while still being human, book Louis beats a priest almost to the point of death after Paul's passing. In regard to being 'witholding, stonewalling, making false promises' to Lestat, what exactly are you talking about? His depression and disillusionment with vampirism, after his human business got pushed under because of racist lawmakers, has nothing to do with Lestat. An agreement on companionship (especially achieved in a manipulative manner) doesn't give one partner a certain right to the other's love or body, a right demanded in the most dire points of Louis' life. Louis had no power over Lestat, and calling him abusive for being depressed, over the loss of his life or the running away of Claudia, is absurd. We actually see what happens when Louis does become abusive and attacks Lestat for choking Claudia, and when it's interpreted that he *might* leave with Claudia. He gets beaten severely, with what was probably only a faction of Lestat's strenght. I won't even mention Lestat's cheating and witholding of vampiric origin, because you didn't, but do keep it in mind. There are things Louis can be blamed for, his iniciative to turn Claudia, choking Claudia himself after they kill Lestat, choosing men over Claudia repeatedly and disbelieving Claudia when she complains of Armand's threats to her. But of course, Louis being 'abusive' is only mentioned when it's toward a character who has absolute power over him.
To be fair, Louis is quite complicated in the book as well. He likes to present himself as all-suffering and a continuous victim of circumstances around him. Throughout the book you can tell he likes to distance himself from accountability, a sort of passing creature that observes events around him rather then taking direct participation in them. At the same time pressing that Lestat is evil, cruel, pathetic, selfish; oblivious to the negative qualities in himself. I like the way the show visualises these themes. It took this thread from the book and expanded upon it, which certainly made Louis a lot more interesting as a character
@@Yiningwu5622 Is Lestat not a victim by that count? He was turned into a vampire against his will, is suffering emotional abuse from both Louis and Claudia, and then they go and try to kill him. After saving Louis from death at the trial, he's again threatened with death and emotionally abused by Louis who kisses and stays with Armand to punish Lestat. I'm just saying, no one is looking good here. All of them have gone through physical and emotional trauma, all of them have inflicted emotional and physical violence and trauma on each other, and all of them continue to kill humans as food. It's just that some take responsibility for their decisions and actions and others look for someone to blame.
@@alexblainelayter7703 Lestat is a victim of himself. He literally beat the crap out of Louis so I don't really understand how you could call Louis "emotionally abusive" lol
Armand knew what was going on with his troop. He played it off as if he didnt know, but he knew. Armand didnt care at all what happened in the end. Just like his first coven, he allowed it to fall: he did the same thing here. (Thats canon.). Also, Armand isnt the one who created the Great Laws. They exist for all vampires, not just his coven. Armand was sent from Rome to oversee the coven in Paris. He never wanted to be a leader for any of them, but at the same time, did his job, basically to pass the time. Once you get into the books, you will see how it all ties in. There are major differences between this show and the books, but many of the main points are the same. Armand being with Louis was simply to get back at Lestat for not being with him back in the day. Armand does love him though, but it was getback for sure. Louis just thinks he is the one doing it. Nope, booboo. Lol
Also.. vampires will vampire. Once turned, they become a whole different being than who they were in life. Thats why lots of vampires like Armand, love Louis and Lestat, because both clug to humanity.. Louis a lot longer than Lestat. Killing who they kill ... In the way that they kill... Well, what else are they going to do. This is something they have to do for eternity... They will come up with entertaining ways to do it after a few decades of doing the same thing.
@@Pooobaihr23 "Once turned, they become a whole different being than who they were in life", "They will come up with entertaining ways" - no, this is not true for Anne Rice vampirism. I know you've read the books, but these statements aren't what the books show. Her vampires are trapped in eternity WITH their humanity but being fully cut off from the *stream of history*. Their monstrousness doesn't lie in their need for blood to survive. Their monstrousness stems from the innate fears they were born with and developed in life, the character of their era, and the morality & ethics that they were raised with. The Ricean vampires who were raised in Christianity feel a lot more guilty than the ones who were raised in older religions. Louis, raised in the era of Romanticism, experiences vampirism in a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more painful way than Lestat, who was raised in the Enlightenment, leading him to mitigate his grief over the loss of his life by conducting experiments on himself to better understand what vampirism means in the physical. Their strife, relationship problems, and violence all stem from their HUMAN emotions, fears and personal morality - which is all subjective. Armand controls because of his human fears of being over-powered & exploited. Lestat screws up his time in New Orleans because of his fear of loneliness and lack of healthy family dynamic experiences. Louis fabricates several personas because of his fear of someone defining who he is without his consent. The monstrousness manifests from these feelings trapped in a weapon shaped like a human being.
It's not for all vampires. The cult is called the Children of Satan and it's a couple of thousand years old. The Great Laws were created by this cult and they go around trying to convert (brainwash) or destroy (attempt to destroy) any vampires who don't want to join. I really want to go back to ancient times in the show because there is a totally badass moment between a vampire and the early cult members and it would look incredible onscreen.
@@dyndan19This correct, and it would be cool to go further back in time to see. The show may go there in the future seasons since we’ll be getting certain vampires.
i love this video but i don't think the newer contexts for the DV scene makes louis an aggressor. I see a lot of people hold this opinion but why do we forget that louis was being abused, emotionally and even got into his relationship with lestat through manipulation and dubious consent? Lestat even admitted at the trail that louis did what he did because Lestat put hands on Claudia. did louis use lestat insecurities yes but that doesn't make him an aggressor in a relationship where he always had the lesser power, because remember lestat didn't teach louis anything other than reading minds and moving fast so he was alway the more powerful one in the relationship. I just feel its not really correct to say that when victims (which we all agree that louis was) fight back their abusers then they are also an aggressor. and i say this because you end up saying that both of them are problematic (which for claudia they are) but in the Lestat-louis dynamic louis is a victim just not a perfect one and its harder for us to realize this because claudia is a perfect victim.
you should watch it!!!!! objectively the best show on tv - even though its not the most watched, last week, it had more streams than House of the Dragon.
I love what a fast thinker and fast talker you are, you got brains, got beauty, got sensuality, liked the outfit too. The one who gets you as his or her girlfriend, is blessed.
I really like this version of Daniel Eric did a great job you are right about Louis he's always had a companion in his life i was glad he and lestat didn't get back together he needs to be by himself i can't wait for season 3 the vampire lestat book 2 in the chronicles
Raglan james is part of the talamasca it's a group that observes and records supernatural elements there's going to a talamasca tv series so at this point there are 3 tv shows centered in the vampire universe questions have you watched the mayfair witches series or read books by Anne rice
If Louis had wanted a healthy relationship he would have pursued Daniel. Their friendship is strong and their connection came back easily even decades later. Plus Daniel is willing to call Louis out on his shit AND ready to stick his neck out to get Louis out of a bad relationship. But Louis doesn't want healthy and stable so the point is moot. Lol
There is an "s" at the end of Louis. It's said in the French pronunciation because he's from New Orleans, so its still "Louie" - but the "s" remains in the spelling.
i thought the vampires said they serve god through satan not armand, though? maybe i'm misremembering. also armand didn't invent those laws he's just there to enforce them.
You know I don't think that you're giving a lot of these damaged characters any grace because of the fucked up things that they do due to their damage. Bit odd acknowledging their trauma but not being understanding that the reason why they do what they do is because of that trauma.
17:29 ever heard of taxidermy? Or people hunting game and bringing them home and mounting the heads on their walls. Humans do it too lol (I'm not saying it's right, it is not) but it's not as weird a behavior as you think. We're their food source ultimately. Just saying
27:22 armand didn't create these rules he was forced to uphold them himself actually. He was forced into his coven leader role too. Which is why he brought lestat back to his coven and let him destroy it. He didn't want it. He never wanted any of it. Just sayin
“FORCED”. Armand can stop time & space at will. He can fly. He can wipe vampire & human memories - multiple read & change minds. Armand allowed Louis to live outside the coven rules. Armand is an accountability zero doing the gentle Queen facade but FORCED is a stretch beyond beyond.
@@pregmobrainrot2857 Balancing obedience with the thrill of directing a play where you real life kill off your ex’s true love-who also happens to be a man you find hot precisely because Lestat thinks he’s hot🔥= power play. When Louis lost his temper and yanked Santiago's tongue, it showed us just how much Armand’s free will & power is alive and kicking. So, why do you think he turned Daniel?
There's one thing about Armand's character that I missed in comparition to Armand on the books: Armand has the beauty of an angel. I know, it's sound superficial at first but hear me out: The beauty of Armand was the thing that distract the rest about his ugly personality; he looked like this beautiful innocent boy desperated for love but in reality he was the devil in disguise, a total manipulator and control freak who did despicable things using his beautiful face as a mask. He used his pretty privilege very often; in the fandom, Armand was considered a total B. The actor did a good job, but I really think that in Armand case his "out-of-the-earth" beauty was part of his personality traits. He destroyed Lestat's first lover Nicholas and then he was just like "But I love you Lestat 🥺", He let's Claudia die under the sun and then he was like "But I love you Louis 🥺". He was turned into a vampire very young (at 17yrs) so he has this teenage narcisism forever and his beauty was praised his entire life (and after life), his beauty was a blessing and a curse, his personality was molded by this, so I really miss that in the show. (Sorry for my english, I'm not a native speaker).
hell, Claudia still tried to kill him and would have succeeded if Louis hadn't stopped it...Louis just couldn't kill the love of his life...but, Lestat would have killed her with the help of Antoinette...
In my opinion Armand is WHO everyone thinks Lestat is Lestat ain’t that bad yes he was vicious to humans but they are vampires I feel like as sadistic as Lestat is he would never be as conniving as Armand and tbh he would have never ever tried to kill Claudia even though they tried to kill him that wasnt even on the table for Lestat to kill her he always kept his attention & frustrations towards his partner And no one is gonna tell me that weak Louie is willingly being with Armand I just don’t believe it yes he is boy crazy but I don’t think he would have forgave Armand esp not that easily all I want is for Armand to be exposed the cracks are all on him and you can tell something isn’t right
57:00 I think Sam Reid said in the interview that when Louis & Armand confronted Lestat in the tower, he assumed that Louis knew he saved him during the trial, and still chose to leave with Armand. Lestat accepted his choice as both his puniishment for not being strong enough to save Claudia too (as Jacob said in post-episode insider) and indicator of genuine character growth after the murder attempt. Also, some of Lestat's behavior in last two episodes makes more sense if you keep in mind that so far we had met "the real Lestat" once in 2x08, and other Lestats are Louis's version (tainted by him thinking that Lestat wanted him and Claudia dead) and Armand's version (that makes Armand look better).
I just wanted to remind everyone that Claudia mother died in childbirth and she never had a relationship with her real father because left her to her aunt that would physically abuse her, so is understandable why Claudia is also a little co-dependant on Louis, for her, he is the only person that show her loved and also Lestat, that is why when Louis leaves the scene and Claudia is executed, she turn to see Lestat one last time.
The 128 guys Louis killed weren't interviewing him. He fucked then drain them to get high off of their blood. Daniel is the first one that interviews him. Also Telemasca says there were 4 other interviewers to Daniel in 2022, I think Armand was trying to appease Louis because the reason Louis wanted to do the interview after San Francisco is to fix the holes in his memory(that Armand put there). So Armand tries to appease him with other people who are not Daniel that has actual connection with Louis and that can't really break through Armand's control like Daniel can.
I am intrigued by the idea that at least one of the other interviewers was turned into a vampire. I just imagine James returning to the motherhouse looking gloomy, and one of his colleagues wipes a chalkboard that now says, "It's been 0 days since we lost an asset". 😅
I don't think that line was well prhased - but I interpreted what RJ said was implying Daniel wasn't the first to try to share the existence of vampires with the world ( through the interview/book he wants to write) - not that other people have specifically tried to interview Louis.
As a longtime book fan I think they absolutely nailed the writing, casting and portrayal of Armand. He is this angelic, adorable little guy who can turn nasty in a second. He is the worst and I hate him, but that’s only because he is so well written. His backstory is brutal, and his relationship with his maker was all kinds of messed up. He does what he does because he can’t overcome his trauma. I loved all of the writing and performances but that they got Armand right was the biggest surprise for me.
Gonna miss Claudia a lot, Claudia is the representation of Anne Rice's daughter who died at that time while Louis is based on herself and Lestat is based of her husband, Lestan. I would cry when the show will adapt Viktor's story later because Viktor is Lestat & Louis' son, it happened years after Claudia in the book. I would cry because Viktor is their child who's gonna survive, who will marry later, have family with Rose, it's beautiful how Lestat & Louis learn a lot how to be a good parents ❤
Armand didn't make the laws. He literally says he was sent there on behalf of another group. Armand is a mid-level manager who's been forced into the job, who faces consequences if he doesn't uphold.
Glad someone is saying this. Armand is a middle manager who got promoted and it ruined his life.
So his book backstory isn't gonna be told in the future the way it actually happened. I was hoping for it
@@Valerie-wh4qz would love to see him fail at being a retail store manager actually lmao
You're so clever and entertaining! I literally watch shows like a goldfish, no thoughts just watching and then I go to TH-cam and have someone explain what I just saw 😂
armand actually didn't write the plays, he's the theatre director and sam is the the playwright - but i do agree with your thoughts of armand though, i think it's easy for the fandom to love him and symphatize with him if they see him as the character he is in the later books (after the character development) but right now all our negative feelings about him are valid, the most we could do is sympathize and understand him as a character (and why he's done the choices that he's made so far) but not excuse the horrible shit that gremlin has done
also love his characterization (the writers of this show are so good i could kiss them ughh!!) how they showed that armand as a character needs control, but he's also someone who never had a healthy relationship in his long life and in effect he lets his partners take advantage of him - whether it be to groom him, s.a. him, use him for his gift, or dom him and order him around - he lets all of these happen because in his perspective that is the only way to keep them. armand you horrible broken soul 😩
@@jlreyes7578 YES. See also, Lestat 🥲
We love them... from far, far away (until they grow up and do better)!
32:23 you saying Santiago gives you the creeps legit made me hit subscribe
So, this video just appeared on my feed and I can say I'm already in love and really, really glad I found someone like you talking about IWTV! I'm a Black Literature teacher from Brazil and the show was one of the few things that kept going after being hit by the floods around here - it almost took me, actually. 😥 Anyway, I love the subject so much cuz I'm all about stories like The Black Vampyr: The Legend of St. Domingo (Which is older than Dracula) and Fledgling by Octavia Butler. I could say a lot more, but the thing is: thank you so much for your amazing work here!
thank you for your work of being a literature teacher! youre so important, seriously
@@n2essence thanks a lot for your kind words! It has been kinda hard to teach around here for a few years now, but I really adore it
thank you so much. this felt like the long dish sesh with a friend/fan i needed. i cannot tell you how many times i yelled "PREACH" at my monitor. Excellent takes. 10/10
15:02 I feel like, with the whole bit about how Louis is so closed off to some of these deep questions is truly the reason for this interview. He knows he finds it near impossible to confront his past, but whether consciously or subconsciously he knows he needs to. Yes, sometimes hen Daniel gets under his skin he lashes out, but sometimes he really begins to actually understand his past, like in the first episode of season 2 where he starts crying but he says he wants this, he wants to remember even though it hurts. He knows Daniel will throw him out of his comfort zone and even though his defences come up plenty, it obviously by the end does him a great deal of good. He's asked for this interview because he knows he doesn't like confronting the truth and he also knows this is a problem, and feeling forced to confront his past is the only way he's ever gonna do it.
I love how passionate you are about this whole story ....😂 I dont have anyone in my life who I can talk to about this. Thankyou for your take
I find it interesting when even the audience doesn't find Armand and Louis’s relationship interesting or may I say, fascinating. not saying everyone who watches the show agrees or feels the same way. But I'm saying is for those who do, I think its interesting.
It's a good analysis but I think what's missing somewhat is the fact that we have two unreliable narrators and their interpretation of their history with Lestat - you do mention that but quite a bit of your analysis is still based on taking these two at their word. I personally didn't believe half of what Armand said, most certainly not his retelling of the relationship he allegedly had with Lestat. And as you so astutely stated, Louis has a victim complex. He's got a very external locus of control. He blames other people for things that happen to him. He does not accept responsibility and acknowledges his own agency in his life. The interview is also a second version of a story that is vastly different from what he told before, so his credibility is already in question. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of the real Lestat in his own words in season 3. I actually find this TV version of Louis quite abusive by withholding, stonewalling and making false promises, exhibting violence himself (to his brother for instance) and so on and so on. Not saying that what happened between them was not messy, violent and terrible, what I'm saying is that Louis spent a lot of time retelling his life and turning it into a story he finds palatable. That said, they are all deliciously damaged and I love following their drama. I just enjoy Lestat's unhinged escapades more than Armand's pseudo-moralist moping (he's a delightfully scheming gremlin, I'll give him that).
The second interview implies a more honest take, save for several minor instances, or the tone of certain events (Louis admitting Lestat's reluctance in turning Claudia, 'was it raining, Louis?', 'she could dream, thank you'), except for Armand's memory wipes and alterations, which also get revealed and the interview wraps up holding a certain credibility.
(they're simply not doing a third interview with Louis, you got his story, and if you doubt it in majority, I do wonder why)
Talk of Louis being 'abusive' while failing to mention the circumstances he was in is dishonest.
In regard to him threatening Paul 'You couldn't look weak on Liberty' in Louis' own words. His life at that point is complete posturing, a mask of bravado to protect himself and try to thrive as an in-the-closet gay black man in the Jim Crow south.
Since you chose to compare show Louis to book Louis, while still being human, book Louis beats a priest almost to the point of death after Paul's passing.
In regard to being 'witholding, stonewalling, making false promises' to Lestat, what exactly are you talking about? His depression and disillusionment with vampirism, after his human business got pushed under because of
racist lawmakers, has nothing to do with Lestat.
An agreement on companionship (especially achieved in a manipulative manner) doesn't give one partner a certain right to the other's love or body, a right demanded in the most dire points of Louis' life.
Louis had no power over Lestat, and calling him abusive for being depressed, over the loss of his life or the running away of Claudia, is absurd.
We actually see what happens when Louis does become abusive and attacks Lestat for choking Claudia, and when it's interpreted that he *might* leave with Claudia. He gets beaten severely, with what was probably only a faction of Lestat's strenght.
I won't even mention Lestat's cheating and witholding of vampiric origin, because you didn't, but do keep it in mind.
There are things Louis can be blamed for, his iniciative to turn Claudia, choking Claudia himself after they kill Lestat, choosing men over Claudia repeatedly and disbelieving Claudia when she complains of Armand's threats to her.
But of course, Louis being 'abusive' is only mentioned when it's toward a character who has absolute power over him.
To be fair, Louis is quite complicated in the book as well. He likes to present himself as all-suffering and a continuous victim of circumstances around him. Throughout the book you can tell he likes to distance himself from accountability, a sort of passing creature that observes events around him rather then taking direct participation in them. At the same time pressing that Lestat is evil, cruel, pathetic, selfish; oblivious to the negative qualities in himself. I like the way the show visualises these themes. It took this thread from the book and expanded upon it, which certainly made Louis a lot more interesting as a character
Okay but is Louis not a victim....? Like he literally is going through hell with his two relationships and being publicly tortured on trial
@@Yiningwu5622 Is Lestat not a victim by that count? He was turned into a vampire against his will, is suffering emotional abuse from both Louis and Claudia, and then they go and try to kill him. After saving Louis from death at the trial, he's again threatened with death and emotionally abused by Louis who kisses and stays with Armand to punish Lestat. I'm just saying, no one is looking good here. All of them have gone through physical and emotional trauma, all of them have inflicted emotional and physical violence and trauma on each other, and all of them continue to kill humans as food. It's just that some take responsibility for their decisions and actions and others look for someone to blame.
@@alexblainelayter7703 Lestat is a victim of himself. He literally beat the crap out of Louis so I don't really understand how you could call Louis "emotionally abusive" lol
Armand knew what was going on with his troop. He played it off as if he didnt know, but he knew. Armand didnt care at all what happened in the end. Just like his first coven, he allowed it to fall: he did the same thing here. (Thats canon.). Also, Armand isnt the one who created the Great Laws. They exist for all vampires, not just his coven. Armand was sent from Rome to oversee the coven in Paris. He never wanted to be a leader for any of them, but at the same time, did his job, basically to pass the time. Once you get into the books, you will see how it all ties in. There are major differences between this show and the books, but many of the main points are the same. Armand being with Louis was simply to get back at Lestat for not being with him back in the day. Armand does love him though, but it was getback for sure. Louis just thinks he is the one doing it. Nope, booboo. Lol
Also.. vampires will vampire. Once turned, they become a whole different being than who they were in life. Thats why lots of vampires like Armand, love Louis and Lestat, because both clug to humanity.. Louis a lot longer than Lestat. Killing who they kill ... In the way that they kill... Well, what else are they going to do. This is something they have to do for eternity... They will come up with entertaining ways to do it after a few decades of doing the same thing.
@@Pooobaihr23 "Once turned, they become a whole different being than who they were in life", "They will come up with entertaining ways" - no, this is not true for Anne Rice vampirism. I know you've read the books, but these statements aren't what the books show. Her vampires are trapped in eternity WITH their humanity but being fully cut off from the *stream of history*. Their monstrousness doesn't lie in their need for blood to survive. Their monstrousness stems from the innate fears they were born with and developed in life, the character of their era, and the morality & ethics that they were raised with. The Ricean vampires who were raised in Christianity feel a lot more guilty than the ones who were raised in older religions. Louis, raised in the era of Romanticism, experiences vampirism in a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more painful way than Lestat, who was raised in the Enlightenment, leading him to mitigate his grief over the loss of his life by conducting experiments on himself to better understand what vampirism means in the physical. Their strife, relationship problems, and violence all stem from their HUMAN emotions, fears and personal morality - which is all subjective. Armand controls because of his human fears of being over-powered & exploited. Lestat screws up his time in New Orleans because of his fear of loneliness and lack of healthy family dynamic experiences. Louis fabricates several personas because of his fear of someone defining who he is without his consent. The monstrousness manifests from these feelings trapped in a weapon shaped like a human being.
It's not for all vampires. The cult is called the Children of Satan and it's a couple of thousand years old. The Great Laws were created by this cult and they go around trying to convert (brainwash) or destroy (attempt to destroy) any vampires who don't want to join. I really want to go back to ancient times in the show because there is a totally badass moment between a vampire and the early cult members and it would look incredible onscreen.
@@dyndan19This correct, and it would be cool to go further back in time to see. The show may go there in the future seasons since we’ll be getting certain vampires.
an hour??? so excited to hear your thoughts
Sam the vampire wrote it Armand directed it
i love this video but i don't think the newer contexts for the DV scene makes louis an aggressor. I see a lot of people hold this opinion but why do we forget that louis was being abused, emotionally and even got into his relationship with lestat through manipulation and dubious consent? Lestat even admitted at the trail that louis did what he did because Lestat put hands on Claudia. did louis use lestat insecurities yes but that doesn't make him an aggressor in a relationship where he always had the lesser power, because remember lestat didn't teach louis anything other than reading minds and moving fast so he was alway the more powerful one in the relationship. I just feel its not really correct to say that when victims (which we all agree that louis was) fight back their abusers then they are also an aggressor. and i say this because you end up saying that both of them are problematic (which for claudia they are) but in the Lestat-louis dynamic louis is a victim just not a perfect one and its harder for us to realize this because claudia is a perfect victim.
lemmw watch someone talk abt a show ive never watched, why am i like this
you should watch it!!!!! objectively the best show on tv - even though its not the most watched, last week, it had more streams than House of the Dragon.
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I really like this version of Daniel Eric did a great job you are right about Louis he's always had a companion in his life i was glad he and lestat didn't get back together he needs to be by himself i can't wait for season 3 the vampire lestat book 2 in the chronicles
Raglan james is part of the talamasca it's a group that observes and records supernatural elements there's going to a talamasca tv series so at this point there are 3 tv shows centered in the vampire universe
questions have you watched the mayfair witches series or read books by Anne rice
If Louis had wanted a healthy relationship he would have pursued Daniel. Their friendship is strong and their connection came back easily even decades later. Plus Daniel is willing to call Louis out on his shit AND ready to stick his neck out to get Louis out of a bad relationship.
But Louis doesn't want healthy and stable so the point is moot. Lol
#JusticeforClaudine!
I agree Armand was desperate to hold his power but I think you’re missing the catholic organization that put him in power and made the laws
Sam is also the person that writes the plays
Loui kept him alive & LESTAT KEPT LOUI ALIVE
There is an "s" at the end of Louis. It's said in the French pronunciation because he's from New Orleans, so its still "Louie" - but the "s" remains in the spelling.
Preach!!! You literally voiced all my thought on this video, I agree with literally everything you said ❤ special with the Armand thing screw him!
first video of yours i’ve watched, loved everything you had to say :)
i thought the vampires said they serve god through satan not armand, though? maybe i'm misremembering. also armand didn't invent those laws he's just there to enforce them.
You know I don't think that you're giving a lot of these damaged characters any grace because of the fucked up things that they do due to their damage. Bit odd acknowledging their trauma but not being understanding that the reason why they do what they do is because of that trauma.
omg you look so beautiful
Thank you🥺❤️
Yes, I noticed that, she shines!
17:29 ever heard of taxidermy? Or people hunting game and bringing them home and mounting the heads on their walls. Humans do it too lol (I'm not saying it's right, it is not) but it's not as weird a behavior as you think. We're their food source ultimately. Just saying
27:22 armand didn't create these rules he was forced to uphold them himself actually. He was forced into his coven leader role too. Which is why he brought lestat back to his coven and let him destroy it. He didn't want it. He never wanted any of it. Just sayin
“FORCED”. Armand can stop time & space at will. He can fly. He can wipe vampire & human memories - multiple read & change minds.
Armand allowed Louis to live outside the coven rules. Armand is an accountability zero doing the gentle Queen facade but FORCED is a stretch beyond beyond.
@@ravenblack942didnt they kidnap and brainwash him though
@@pregmobrainrot2857 Balancing obedience with the thrill of directing a play where you real life kill off your ex’s true love-who also happens to be a man you find hot precisely because Lestat thinks he’s hot🔥= power play.
When Louis lost his temper and yanked Santiago's tongue, it showed us just how much Armand’s free will & power is alive and kicking. So, why do you think he turned Daniel?
There's one thing about Armand's character that I missed in comparition to Armand on the books: Armand has the beauty of an angel. I know, it's sound superficial at first but hear me out: The beauty of Armand was the thing that distract the rest about his ugly personality; he looked like this beautiful innocent boy desperated for love but in reality he was the devil in disguise, a total manipulator and control freak who did despicable things using his beautiful face as a mask. He used his pretty privilege very often; in the fandom, Armand was considered a total B. The actor did a good job, but I really think that in Armand case his "out-of-the-earth" beauty was part of his personality traits. He destroyed Lestat's first lover Nicholas and then he was just like "But I love you Lestat 🥺", He let's Claudia die under the sun and then he was like "But I love you Louis 🥺". He was turned into a vampire very young (at 17yrs) so he has this teenage narcisism forever and his beauty was praised his entire life (and after life), his beauty was a blessing and a curse, his personality was molded by this, so I really miss that in the show. (Sorry for my english, I'm not a native speaker).
I’m sorry, but like, at least in my opinion, Assad Zaman is straight up angelic, especially in this show, lol
my heart was healed everytime you hated on armand. i can't stand him!!!
hell, Claudia still tried to kill him and would have succeeded if Louis hadn't stopped it...Louis just couldn't kill the love of his life...but, Lestat would have killed her with the help of Antoinette...
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In my opinion Armand is WHO everyone thinks Lestat is
Lestat ain’t that bad yes he was vicious to humans but they are vampires
I feel like as sadistic as Lestat is he would never be as conniving as Armand and tbh he would have never ever tried to kill Claudia even though they tried to kill him that wasnt even on the table for Lestat to kill her he always kept his attention & frustrations towards his partner
And no one is gonna tell me that weak Louie is willingly being with Armand I just don’t believe it yes he is boy crazy but I don’t think he would have forgave Armand esp not that easily all I want is for Armand to be exposed the cracks are all on him and you can tell something isn’t right
Finally someone who hates Armand as much as I do lol