WEBCOMICS (Zero Punctuation)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2011
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This week, Yahtzee takes apart the making of a successful gaming webcomic, or: how to make millions of gamers happy with the minimum amount of effort.
Fast-talking Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw reviews a new game each week in this animated series that combines informed critique with cutting humor. Watch the next episode of Zero Punctuation a week early, only on The Escapist.
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"Above all else, never admit defeat because the bigger a douche you are, the more traffic you get."
Yahtzee just summarized the internet, mass media, politics, and the entire human condition in one go.
As proved by Donald Trump
Same goes for religion.
itanimulli *as proved by Chris chan.
Daniel Feldspar yeah
He writes what he knows.
"I'm very much aware of my hypocrisy, thank you."
I need to see this on a shirt.
... but how is that an excuse for anything...?
+fumomo fumosarum no one said it was an excuse, it just means shut up.
Also fuck you, that's how
fumomo fumosarum why would you need an excuse if you're right?
you can be both correct and a hypocrite, they're not mutually exclusive.
Piss off, "The Adventures of Sonichu" changed my life.
I used to be a fucking loser but ever since I started reading sonichu I got pussy on the hour every hour.
+Noah Baldwin LMAO
I almost shat myself when I found out that a comedy gaming webcomic actually did a miscarriage plot. A comedy webcomic. About gaming. Did a plot about miscarriage. My brain hurts.
which one holy shit
Zachary Gustafson loss.jpeg
riff5fki ctrl+alt+del
What one?
Well, sounds like she just Ctrl Alt Deleted her baby then... i'll just go back to the recesses of the swamp I trudged out of...
I can see Yahtzee hates Ctrl alt del.
7 year old comment NICE
nice
Nice
Never heard of it.
@@iim4xii129 You’re better off not knowing what it is, honestly.
Fun fact: This is the last ZP episode without the generic metal intro.
+Totally Not A Cylon
And it ended with Centerfold!
Which was the first?
mybrainidont I'm too lazy to check, but I would assume halo 3, the oldest video in the zp playlist
the first would technically be the review he did of either the demo for The Darkness, or the first Fable game on his own channel... and the first review he did for the escapist is... Heavenly Sword? I think?
Alex Leslie his first one was the darkness demo on his actual channel
2007: I want to be like PennyArcade so I can make a bunch of money, too bad I suck
2009: I want to be like AVGN so I can make a bunch of money, too bad I suck
2014: I want to be like Pewdiepie so I can make a bunch of money, too bad I suck
People never change
Are all of those things Tim Buckley said?
2014: I want to be like Pewdiepie so I can make a bunch of money, fortunately I suck.
2018: I want to be like TheOdd1sOut and Jaiden Animations so I can make a bunch of money, too bad I suck.
202?: I want to be like {Insert popular person here} so I can make a bunch of money, too bad I suck
This is spot on. Now the new thing is streaming :p
2021 I want to be like A pro smash player, to bad I'm not a pedophile
This video is funnier if you know that Yahtzee used to make a crappy webcomic as well...
I think that's why one of the credit jokes is, "Again, very much aware of the hypocrisy, thank you."
skylordwolfface Well if nothing else Yahtzee certainly cannot draw for shit, by the very least back when he was doing that comic.
RandomGuy1994 Well it's safe to assume he's learned from his past mistakes.
RandomGuy1994 I thought it was funnny.
Ironically that crappy web comic won "best webcomic of all time" in May this year.
Then again Yahtzee has "disowned" the comic so I suppose that doesn't matter.
11 years after we collectively decided that Gamer Funnies™️ are garbage, I don't know what's more odd: the fact that Penny Arcade is still alive and kicking, or the fact that Loss is still a meme.
Some might say the same thing about Zero Punctuation, but you know what they say.....Actually, I don't know what they say, but I guess when you find something that works, keep doing it and never the same way twice?
Is the reason that everyone imitated Penny arcade, they are the original and they're the best at it. Penny arcade comics routinely have actual things to say and are actually funny. Certainly not all of them, but many of them. Most of their imitators in the space that is just not true of.
@@MCXL1140Nah, they sucked back then and they still suck now.
Gamer funnies only became popular because gaming culture wasn't as accepted back in the 2000s as it is today.
Nowadays, gaming culture is anything but fringe, so there is no novelty in making jokes about video games. They are now just relics of the past.
"Bontrol-Bolt-Belete by F. Aggot". I wonder what this is a scathingly intelligent allegory of
Boggles the mind
2:03
Bontrol+Bolt_Belete by F. Aggot
2011 was a simpler time.
Someone once asked Mike Krahulik of Penny Arcade what made him hate Tim Buckley so much. He responded 'his body of work'.
Not sure if that's a black comedy reference or just a straight-up honest answer.
Either way, it's on a reddit ask me anything.
i don't know how, but unlike most humor from 2011 this aged like wine
It's a delightful time capsule. Really brings you back.
Cause it's insulting the mound of shit we called humor back then
2008 actually
@@mergieismoronic source?
@@d4riu5 These Zero Punctuation videos were all uploaded on the Escapist site first, then they got moved to TH-cam later.
ah yes, the famous miscarriage storyline of popular gaming webcomic BONTROL BOLT BELETE
+Bernard Williams You look like you need a few more quotation marks. Want to borrow some of mine?
+nopushbutton Did they actually do that?
5 Seconds Later
Holy shit why would you even do that?
+nopushbutton i i I
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Tim Stahel lmao
+Tim Stahel (Moustached Viking)
B^U
As godawful as Control-Alt-Delete is, it at least gave us Loss Edits.
+Nate Richards as for me I did enjoy Ctrl+alt+del. I might not be the only one if I look at its longevity
I have no clue what people are talking about when they mention the Control Alt Delete comic, unless everyone's mentioning a computer command very vaguely
WrongTime it was the comic that had the miscarriage plot.
WrongTime
It's a really shitty webcomic that was the entire subject of this video.
He literally just described it but in vague, passive-aggressive terms so as to not look like a dick for singling the "author" out.
Nate Richards
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It's the 10 year anniversary of "Loss"...jesus that makes me feel old...
You know, Cyanide and Happiness, a good, non-gaming web-comic did a parody of Ctrl-Alt-Del's miscarriage comic. It was one of their less funny comics, but I think it was meant as a way of telling them, "you guys know nothing about miscarriages."
Then it's a bit of a shame that CaH themselves are kings of ill-judged mood whiplash.
I don't think ill judged because that implies that the whiplash isn't on purpose.
FOR SALE BABY SHOES NEVER WORN
+Tyler Standen
your hand+ this garbage disposal
I don't get it.
don't forget the baby-sized controller
Oglethorpe Macgilicurty "we've replaced Gabe's Xbox controller with a live bear"
***** that's pretty good
This has not aged a second
"HE'S TALKING ABOUT HOMESTUCK!!!111!!!"
-video directly references Ctrl Alt Del multiple times-
-homestuck isnt even a gaming comic-
ok
+AcidicGumdrops Hahah I know right, it's so weird that it actually fits Homestuck.
have u ever read homestuck
Yes, but stopped when the trolls first appeared.
+SammEater the trolls are the best part because MeGaLoVaNiA and nepeta
+AcidicGumdrops Like he wrote himself in the credits sequence he didn't mention any names of anything, so if you think this is directed at homestuck then it says more about your feelings towards homestuck then his
The constant Ctrl + Alt + Delete jokes make me have a hard time focusing because I'm laughing too much
Ah those halcyon days when I first watched this, and thought the whole miscarriage bit was a Yahtzee-ism and not a real thing that really happened for real.
To be young and naive again
Yahtzee once had a webcomic, it was called "Yahtzee Takes On The World
"( 2000 - 2002 ). I think this video is also somehow directed at his former self.
ooh yeah, he's definitely taking the piss outta himself
so not something he's very proud of?
Nay. Nay indeed.
I want to read it.
It literally took me 9 years to realize there was a "Loss" reference in here.
It's not so much a reference as it is a key reason why this video was made at the time.
@@SalsaSeth the miscarriage was the only reference to loss
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@@humad4x809 this entire video was a jab at Ctrl+alt+del the cake is a lie and portal references is also a common comic bit by them, the 2 straight men and the girl also fits, the miscarriage “loss” bit was 1/3rd of the video’s length.
Dont breed
This could also apply to the majority of fanfiction in general. Except without the parts about artwork.
No it couldn't. He's talking about Web Comics, not stories. Most fanfictions are standard text stories
The Giinger uh it actually could, most fan fiction writers....well to put it bluntly....they cant fucking write
Simply Overdose Hence, without the art stuff. -_-
Dendarang You're overthinking it. I was just referring to the parts referring to the idiotic tendencies of people when they are attempting to write a story.
I.E. Fantasized Gary-Stu self-inserts, that one guy who is the sidekick who for some reason doesn't quit, the female character(that's all there is, because obviously a female's only positive traits are her boobies), lack of effort put into things like drama or humor or such, and the prevalence of authors who refuse to take criticism and are all "IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS LEAVE ME ALONE MOM".
+Goldmegaman1000 Who wants some sonic the hedgehog X dante fanfiction? I fucking don't...
I, to this day, wonder if Buckley ever actually tried to contact Yahtzee or the escapist about any of the allusions in here. Its a toss up between his pride blinding him, or his pride trying to make it all about him.
I would bet someone else has pointed this out already but if you want to have some fun. Look at the webcomic "fanboys" and look at how dramatically it changed after this video dropped. OFC this video all but directly called out CAD but, fanboys was another one that this video could be talking about directly (other than the miscarriage part being a bit too specific for CAD). It was kindof hilarious watching the comic suddenly being self aware of how non fans saw it and shifting to just comedy bits with 0 social life stuff. It was basically a fanfiction version of the artists life until then. I found it more funny than what happened with CAD because with CAD, this miscarriage part blew up and they were shat on by everyone, so it wasn't a surprise that they changed course. with fanboys, I can only assume it was a sudden realization of how they were seen by most people and cringing a bit. they didnt get the hate that CAD got but, they understood even without it. I'm too lazy to research if this video was actually posted in 2011 or if that was just the youtube reupload but it shouldnt be too hard to find if anyone cares. and with the fanboys comic there is a very obvious stop between all the social self roleplay stuff to just comedy shit.
Never realized the shade Yahtzee threw in this episode
So I'm guessing that Yahtzee doesn't like CAD.
The only "liked" is penny arcade but that is more of small respect
This isn't a proper look at web comics. It didn't stop half-way through.
Sure it is. It just
Just realised a loooot of this also applies to Big Bang Theory
With the infamous comic now being a meme again in 2018, its nice to look back at this video
I'm not sure I've ever seen a more brutal roast of somebody, let alone without actually naming that person (well, without spelling that person's comic correctly, at least).
Or his name. Pretty Buckleys name isnt Fred Aggot
Is this loss?
yes
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Loss is every web comic ever
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I wonder if Tim B^Uckley's ever seen this. I hope so.
He did, back at when this video was considered new and actually responded to Yahtzee... somehow, to this day I'm looking for it, not sure if it's a blog post, a Tumblr image or a comic where Yahtzee's the antagonist.
Have you found it yet?
I remember when this video came out, Tim created an account on Escapist who was "Totally-not-Tim" to try and defend the comic and Tim. It was Pathetically hilarious.
for those who aren't aware, before Yahtzee got the review gig he made webcomics, and everything he described here pretty much sums up how bad it was lol. I think he made this for himself
+Bp Elliott "Again, very much aware of the hypocrisy"
Yahtzee already took on he world, now he takes on himself!
skykid except his comic was actually funny
1:18 "don't hate me because i'm beautiful"
you predicted the funniest moment of gta 5
It's weird how unintentionally perfect CAD was as a mirror of all the problems with the gaming community before said problems blew up created a rift between the Reddit-types and the Tumblr-types, if you get my drift.
Woe for the "Both of those people are tools" type, caught in the middle
I watched this years ago and only now googled the reference. Whilst googling stories CAD's an artical talked about Yahzee's reaction to the comic quoting this episode and that rang a bell.
I didn’t know the miscarriage part was about Loss. Literally took me 11 years and I am ashamed
The way this video was a cultural reset
This has been the closest to a video murdering me.
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"Not Delivered"
I'm at a loss, what are you trying to do here?
knowyourmeme.com/memes/cadbortion-loss-edits
Basically the "miscarriage" point yahtzee made is a reference to an infamous plot twist from "Ctrl+Alt+Del".
The strip with miscarriage has since become subject to lots of minimalist parodies.
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Madeleine Wynne Whoosh
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this was ahead of its time
The only three Webcomics I ever found consistently funny and still occasionally read are "Existentialist Comics", "Cyanide & Happiness" and "Oglaf".
CAD series summary: "gary stu playin vidja gaems and ded babies lololol"
That actually ended that story for over a year now
xzcxfrgh It also ended with the main guy dying in a completely humorless and somewhat forced manner. So, DRAMA!
***** Kinda like the Nostalgia Critic? Or How I Met Your Mother? Or this tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuddenDownerEnding
Yeah, exactly.
xzcxfrgh Isn't Nostalgia Critic still around though?
Hey, I'm back far enough in the ZP backlog to where they were ballsy enough to play licenced music in the intro/outro.
Neat.
After 5 years still my favorite
Who'd've thought that this random tangent into one page of a third tier gaming webcomic would be a relevant reference ten years on?
I thought Tim Buckley was reffereing to the critically acclaimed dead musician and dad of Jeff Buckley and was very confused. Glad to be wrong.
I think this was ALL a take that at Cntl Alt Del.
I honestly thought Yahtzee made the miscarriage story up. Wow.
*****
Ummm... what? Where did that come from?
Tabula Rasa Gaming The descriptions of the characters is pretty spot on for CAD, and the miscarriage (as mentioned) was actually a thing and everyone was like "WHAT".
The writer wrote in a pregnancy, and then realized it would all be about babies. So he killed it.
Still an ok comic I guess.
actually it mostly for penny arcade
Bill thebeast the first bit is, but the later part is about ctrl alt del, as other have said. It's pretty much a summary of a very fucked up storyline that cause a bit of a shit storm for awhile.
This is probably his best video, especially once you look up "Yahtzee Crowshaw vs The World" and find that Yahtzee's disgustingly bad webcomic is the inspiration for this episode
No, its literally Loss by CaD
So epic and so on key. I really could never get into any webcomics no matter how well written. Something about the forced quirky weirdness of every single character at the same time is such a turn off. If I ever found a webcomic that was just random funny strips instead of being a on-going story that I have no want/need to follow it might be a bit easier to jump in and have fun with it!
...Yes?
0:57 I'm pretty sure that when this video was first made, the front page of VGCatz was a comic with this exact observation.
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+Simon Canniffe (That One Guy) nice avatar
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Goddamn I just found this video and realised you’ve been making great content for 8 years straight
*Sees Homestuck being mentioned in the comments of a video about Ctrl+Alt+Del*
*Remembers that despite whatever happens or who the audience is, the TH-cam comments section is cancer*
Chewable Arsenic Candies what the fuck is homestuck
Da Bro If you don't know by now then it really doesn't matter.
+Da Bro the worlds longest webcomic, it looks like someone watched south park and said "I could make this look like shit using ms paint" story wise it's ok but otherwise it's just shit.
agreed
+Da Bro an insanely long webcomic about 4 kids who are internet friends dicking around in their houses, that eventually escalates to high-concept inter-dimensional scifi where the fate of existence is determined through an elaborate process of universe-rebirth that takes place in the form of a complex quest for the chosen heroes of whatever universe it starts in. There's aliens who are taking part in a different version of this quest in a different universe, and they communicate with the kids about mistakes they made, and what the kids need to do in their session to fix it. And then even more universe-destroying fuck ups happen from there, and various groups of players, alien and human, from various universes, all have to come together to one quest in one universe, as well as other characters in the afterlife, to stop an ultimate clusterfuck that all happened by everything in various sessions throughout spacetime going catastrophically wrong in just the right way, creating an unstoppable god of destruction who is eternal and invincible. It is intentionally frustrating in how sparsely all of this is explained, and how clueless the characters are in why they do what they do. It is also constantly absurd, and purposely garish in it's art, as well as cultural references and humor. Also 90% of the text is through characters chatting online. It is very arduous to read before you break through the wall and actually start enjoying it. If you *do* break through the wall it becomes one of the most awe-inspiring and heart breaking stories you've ever experienced, in it's own very bizarre and stupid way that absolutely none of your friends will want to hear about. The fandom can come off as irritating, but they're not as bad as people tend to think, it's just that any Homestuck inside-joke is inevitably smug and annoying because of how absurd the story seems from the outside, and how no reference is understandable without the context, and said context is incredibly hard to explain. It has been going on for 5 years, and is still not finished (though it's very close now). Worth the read. It's my favorite story of all time, and I've never seen more well developed and moving characters. When you take a look at the first page it could sound ridiculous that I'd say that, but you do kinda just have to read it to get it.
Or just go on Deviantart and be circlejerked into eternal happiness.
Eclipse happened. RIP Deviantart
@@InkubozuNikki what
Damn six years and Yahtzee is still the man we all love
This is ageless
0:17
Pizza Tower in a nutshell
so I just binged most of Yahtzee's reviews and now that I am done, it makes me want more.
The best webcomic is Gone With the Blastwave.
you don't GET TO DENY IT
Myth of cinnabar and Ava's demon are better I was going to mention homestuck but that pisses people off.....mostly hipsters.
It's 8-Bit Theater. Get over it.
Brother Laughing True
This is 10x funnier when you realize who he's talking about
RIP different title songs
Do you know that opening song? It sounds familiar but I can't remember what it's called
TheKnifingZombie Centerfold by J. Geils Band. It's in the credits
Josh Brown Oh, I forgot there were credits that included the song, thanks man!
First video of yahtzee's I saw, now I have both his audio books and I can't wait for the next
2:59-3:05 explains why Family Guy sucks at dealing with serious issues.
"Did you just casemod that meatloaf you're making?"
"No, why?"
"'Cause I think it's _bricked!_"
If you are using your mom for the inspiration for your girl character but also making her the girlfriend for your self insert character, that kind of suggests an Oedipus complex. I'm surprised Yahtzee didn't see a chance to do that as a joke.
i think what you mean is "i didn't notice the fact that yahtzee made a joke about this"
Was it the "swelling ego" part? Yeah, that works.
EHH246 you are not informed about the oedipus complex, theory is that everyone has to go through it
EHH246 BUCKLEY LADIES AND GENTLEMAN
2:50 is... is this LOSS?
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@@adenosine2electricboogaloo647 oooh mah gawd
Well...at least vgcats and gamercat were just making funny game comics out of fun
For all the webcomics out there, I've only kept up with two until one ended and I stopped caring about the other: Brawl in the Family and xkcd, respectively.
I just now realized that miscarriage part was in reference to loss
Hah, I like how you mentioned nothing other than Penny Arcade, but all your references were towards CAD (ctrl+alt+del).
And I remember that comic arc as it was the last one I had read of it and never looked back at it.
This is the video that started it all for me. It still makes me giggle uncontrollably.
i just found out that yahtsi has added the feature on his youtube videos where if you press 'ctrl' + 'W' you invert the audio so his highs are lows and it sounds super weird.
Maybe the tired is getting to my head, but I'm tempted to make an actual webcomic using these instructions and taking them seriously.
I'll be a bajillionaire in no time...
Did you do it ??
Shortpacked followed this 'plan' so much to the letter, there was a literal Drama Tag to be pulled by a character!
I only learned about the "Loss" comic this week and honestly thought Yahtzee was making a joke about the midscarage this whole time.
You guys know the miscarriage and 99% of the tropes he points out are from Ctr + Alt + Del
Tropes are metaphors and symbols.
Lern2Inglisch
OrangeOctangular, Soothsayer of Sour Sausages
Fine, then whatever you wanna call them, cliches
Dalton Smith They are best described as crimes against art, literature and humanity.
What year is it?
Dalton Smith Really I didn't think anyone was that stupid
A select few gaming webcomics are worth following, particularly "the punchline is machismo".
That comic actually has some original stories, though.
It doesn't really revolve around gaming, its just that the side characters are from games.
I fucking love that one.
2:55
*(chuckle)*
*(chuckle slowly deteriorates into maniacal laughter)*
The freeze-frame at 3:31 is great.
order of the stick remains my favorite web comic to this day, only one that has me laughing out loud wherever i read it without a care. main thigshat i will advise is that it is, one it is about tabletop roleplaying so not everyone may be interested in that, and two it suffers from massiv dialogue sometimes. Still worth a read if you're bored
Tiwaking Tiwaking he is becoming more of a ranger so anything is possible!
I didn't know the miscarriage thing was a real thing for the longest time.
It's amazing tho how with his simple artstyle yatzee could convey so many complex scenes over the years.
Fun fact: this video was actually made before Homestuck was a thing. Which gives a weird sense of perspective to the relative oldness of both Zero Punctuation and HS
I CAN DO WHAT I WANT WITH MY COMIC
The only webcomic I really got into was Brawl in the Family, and it ended about a month ago, so...
You've lived quite the life - being on the Internet for 30 years, studying at Oxford 20 years ago and having 22 miscarriages over the last ten years. Thank you for sharing all this wonderful experience on a TH-cam video so we can all marvel at the rich, bountiful life full of both joy and sorrow which goes into the creation of a crazed Internet troll.
Yahtzee you always make me smile thanks brother
As far as the tonal shift thing is concerned, I think it is normal for an amateur writer to do that. Not sensible by any means, but normal. People get creative the more they write, but they do not get the memo that inspiration from your own work is best used on other projects.
If writers did not know when to keep ideas out of the current series, Doctor Who would have had all of Torchwood shenanigans forced into it, the last season of Batman the Animated series would have turned directly into a Batman Beyond set in the present day, Sailor Moon would have had a weird sword fighting season with a girl named Utena, Wolverine would be an ongoing villain for the Hulk only (as Sabertooth would be stuck harassing Iron Fist), and Dragon Ball (in a world without Z) would have been seen as suddenly tediously long and not funny enough after Goku got a kid.
But then again some writers benefit from letting their stories grow like tumors. I am sure that is how Star Wars got started with nazis, space samurai wizards, cowboys, dog men, wacky robots, princesses, and laser canons the size of a moon. Anything can be done right, I guess, but it is best to set the tone with the complete eclectic insanity foot from the start.
im p sure this a) came out before homestuck and b) is a direct attack on ctrl+alt+del more than anything else
This is the best video on the Internet.
Chiming in from 2024 to say this video is still hugely relevant, (not just to webcomics but has proven especially prophetic to TH-cam and the Escapist Magazine in particular, funnily enough,) and also Yahtzee is still great, has a kid and wife and such now- it's real neat.
I do miss the yellow swatches though.
And that's how Cyanide & Happiness first started.
At least they know they're trash. They embrace it like a nun into the bosom of christ
Man I want yahtzee to make fun of more internet sub cultures.
It's damm funny.
This video is like a museum exhibit
Thank you Yahtzee for introducing me to Centerfold! *headbangs*