Can an Old Jeep Wrangler Keep Up With a New Ford Bronco In a Snowy Off-Road Adventure?
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In this video we hit the trail in two iconic off-roaders: the Jeep Wrangler and the Ford Bronco! But these two have a twenty thousand dollar difference!
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Funny how Tommy is starting to sound more and more like his father as he gets older. 😂😆
@Rhett the Dog, exactly my thought! Not only sounds or mannerisms…he’s tarting to look like him, too! Genes are taking over…😊
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Would love to see these tests done with real snow tires. Same make/model on both vehicles. Then you eliminate tires as a variable and can focus on vehicle capabilities.
They are both real snow tires. The highest rated snow tires
forget the tires, lets see them with real drivers lol
I agree. I want to see them on Firestone Winterforces which are among the reviewed (per Tire Rack) budget snow tires
No. No they aren't. 12.5" wide tires are NOT true dedicated snow tires. They have the 3 peak rating but the compound is still nowhere near as soft and grippy as a dedicated snow tires.@@brandonwl
@@mikebromelow8514 Oh didn't realize he was talking about TRUE snow tires. ive never seen them used for offroad scenarios other than those Icelandic balloon tire trucks. Always a/t m/t tires
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you’re trying to use wheel spin to get through the snow, wouldn’t you want to stay OUT of 4 Low? Not that I’m a fan of wheel spin to get through almost anything.
4Hi would be better for snow for a Rubicon for wheel speed BUT by factory the lockers are only available in 4Lo
@@jefftenhave8038 true. And lame. They need to change that.
@@ZenEndurance You can buy a tuner to run the lockers in 4H. Super chips I think.
Maybe that little engine won’t turn those big tires outside of low range!
@@SoDoSoPa-ShiTpaTown No, unfortunately it's the same in some trucks.
2016 is an "Old" Jeep Wrangler?
I was expecting at least a TJ, if not a YJ.
Absolutely kills me that GM doesn't have a contender in this segment. An offroad adventure between a Wrangler, Bronco and K5/Jimmy would be the best video ever
yeah but then it would look like a GM vehicle gross.....
GM gifted humanity the “Blazer”. Tells you how in touch they are with consumers if you google that one. At least the stepped it up with the Colorado.
I'd say buy the one you like best. Both are really capable. Would have been nice to see how they compared with the same tire on both of them. I prefer the Bronco personally, but I would opt for the two door version. Still more money than I want to spend though.
I also prefer a Bronco. Well, preferred. After I test drove both in a comparable trim I can see how easy it is for anyone to go with a Wrangler. First of all, paying nearly double for similar options makes very little sense. Bronco's open deck 2.3L is peppy, but it doesn't have the "get up and go" of the V6 and being a considerably heavier car, Bronco almost feels sluggish. As a Ford guy it's tough admitting this, but Bronco is definitely overpriced with the current price to option ratio and market conditions.
@@Fir-jp3jt I definitely think they are both overpriced.
@@CraigSmith568 You'd be wrong. Was looking for a 2 door base trim with a manual, Bronco came out to 42k+8k "market adjustment" from the Ford dealer, because "Broncos are hot right now". Jeep in a similar trim came out to 33.5 and the dealer dropped it to 31.5 OTD. Even at sticker price they're not comparable, let alone 20k difference in these market conditions.
@@Fir-jp3jt The cheapest Jeep at the dealership in my town is $40K. That is overpriced in my book.
4Low for wheel speed in a wrangler with it's low gearing? Should have used 4high in snow.
But if they are also climbing and not on flat ground 4L probably a better option
I grew up in Upper Michigan in the snow belt and drove through deeper snow without lockers and with 2 we cars .I realize you are off road but the snow isn’t that deep. There were some days I plowed snow with the front bumper of my car to get home from work. How about deeper snow next time?
Man that is one good looking wrangler! If it was my $34k, I’d much rather buy that thing with the mileage it had than brand new base model gully stock non rubicon wrangler JL. Not even a question.
Not surprised, the territory MT is a sneaky good snow tire. I replaced my ko2s that were 3peak rated with territory MTs on my GX460 and found that I feel more confident driving on ice and snow in the goodyears. No objective measured testing of course, those were just my impressions vs the ko2s.The closely stacked tread blocks with tons of siping sure looks alot like a dedicated snow tire. I wonder why no 3 peak rating? They are also very lightweight and comfortable on the street (aside from being noisy on the highway).
I've got Blizzaks on my GX 460, they seem unstoppable.
Great video !
Just a suggestion:
Could you try a snow video with both vehicles with the same type or brand tire. Example: both vehicles with GOODYEAR DURATRAC. Use same tire pressure. Run with both vehicles either lockers on or off. Do the obstacles at same speed. I really enjoy seeing your videos. You guys are great. Off road videos are much better now than when y’all first started. Your tests are much harder now. Great job !
No can do. Almost impossible to get new tires now and certainly not the same size as most vehicles have very individual and unique wheel sizes.
Also, Try NOT locking the rear differential on snow and ice, this will give you better traction in many instances. Just saying 🇺🇸☃️
@@TFLoffroad - sounds like a cop out. i'm sure there's one brand that fits both
Jeep all day long for me. I like the Bronco a lot, but there's nothing quite like an old Jeep for navigating trails. TJs are peak Jeep in my book, but JKs are super good too.
Tommy's demise was his driving today!
Don't forget to add the 20,000 mark-up that dealership are adding on the Broncos. I live in Reno, NV my local ford dealer.
Can't believe I never watched this episode. that everglade trim is awesome. you rarely see them.
"Old" Jeep Wrangler.... 2016. I get the idea of the video, but come on guys lol ;)
I was thinking the same thing. You can put the balls to that ruby and it will take it no problem , if it has been maintained at all.
Point of order. When wheeling on snow with frozen dirt under the snow, the last thing you want to do is air down.
That Jeep looks super cool.
This looks like what hunters do all the time in the fall.
I would like to have seen a new Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro up there as it's the same price as Bronco.
Yup! And my frontier blasts though it. This isn't even deep snow
Jeep designed the front axle with a locker and yes is it a strain, sure but don’t be afraid to use it because it might break. Then don’t use the Jeep at all because it’s a few years old. Silly if you ask me!😂
That's why jeeps are fun. Ya never know if you're going to make it.
Nice vid. Glad that no one was complaining about the price/costs.
Hi Bryan how are you doing.
Goodyear and Michelin always seem to have all season compounds that do well in snow. The Michelin Defender LTX and SRA from Goodyear are just plain touring truck tires but both do well in snow, especially for all seasons
Hi how are you doing.
AEV Rubikon JKU here. I run most snow and mud in 4 hi no lockers. The rubicon will automatically brake wheel spin to send power to the wheel with traction even without lockers engaged. It allows some spin. Lockers are better for rocks when wheels are in the air.
Just bought a 4 Dr 23 Badlands Sas. You are doing my research for me!
That jeep needed a driver mod.
Why I love my LSD: it engages in 2Hi, 4Hi and 4Lo. I'm not limited to the confines of the locker that Jeep decided can only be used in 4Lo.
Tommy must be happy to still have a Wrangler around after selling his.
Seat time is everything. It's taken me a few years, but my Mo-chine will do anything I ask of her. It took seat time. Bronco is nice if you can jump right in and suddenly your driving like a 4x4 diva. Give Tommy a few more months in that jeep, and I bet he could do circles around that Bronco.
a lot of that axle hop can be mitigated with lower tire pressures. drop both vehicles down to 10-15 psi and hit it! before i sold the jeep, i had to be near 10 in the snow, and in my truck, i have to be below 20 psi to not have massive front axle hop.
The Mickey Thompson tire brand was owned by Cooper Tires, then Goodyear bought Cooper. So Mickey Thompson tires are essentially Goodyear now. Interesting that the Goodyear branded tire on the Broncos outperformed the Mickey Thompsons. Perhaps Goodyear isn't incorporating or sharing tire tech with their other brands?
The sidewall strength is the biggest advantage of the Mickys .
Dont understand why they use 4 low all the time especially in these types of situations just use 4h and turn off traction control and foot to the floor will get u better results!
Just go 4 high and chill through all that snow. Looks like no more than a couple inches. 5 bucks says if you locked nothing and just took it easy you would crawl up no problem. You notice how you don't even start getting stuck until you break traction with the throttle.
Snow is much cleaner than mud.
I wish y'all could switch tires then you could really see which one is better. Micky Thompson are really good off road/ snow tires plus they are three peak rated. I think in this case it probably has more to do with the way different transmissions.
Probably because of modern 4wd systems
driver skill or lack there of had something todo with this testing
I wouldn't call a 2016 "old" lol
I'd like to see both of these do that trail with Boggers, or at least Iroks.
You're worried about using your 7 year old front locker in the snow where it will slip more than grip??? Wow. If its life is over with in under 10 years than you got the wrong vehicle. Perhaps a 4R should be TFL's next purchase. 😉
Not really sure what information this video gives us. Different vehicles, different tires, different drivers and different powertrains. (Both sound horrible at 5,000 rpms) Both get stuck... both go thru snow with the right inputs. 2015 Jeep vs 2022 Bronco.
If the Everglades had an option for the 2.7L, I’d order one and trade my BB Sasquatch in. It’s too bad because the 2.7L with a JB4 is a monster.
I am usually no Wrangler fan, but that Jeep performs very well! I like it! It only got stuck about 3 or 4 times 😂 I want to see you guys tackle Moab!
Speaking of Rubicon, you guys need to do a video tackling the Rubicon trail! Well, it would be an epic video or video series!
Edit: You don't lock front and rear for driving in snow, like this! At around 11:38 when Tommy gets stuck (again lol) you can see the tire on the front axle wobbling, just before it gets stuck, because the axle doesn't want to turn when locked up. Front lockers are for rock crawling.
I'm pretty sure he never locked the front axle and that he specifically mentioned that in saying he didn't want to put any strain on the 6-year-old drivetrain. I might have missed if he engaged the front locker later in the video though.
@@jessesimpson777 He specifically said he was locking both diffs, before he gets stuck where I mentioned
@@lunamaria1048 yep I see where I missed it. 😅
@@jessesimpson777 Lol accidents happen. Now you seen it for yourself 😂
Had Tommy not been on slippery snow, that would have caused thousands in damages lol. That wobbling tire wanted to snap😂
you also don't air down. you want your tires to cut like pizza cutters through the snow, no be big flabby feet.
Unrelated but TFL should try some Super Swampers, Swamper Boggers or other niche off-road tires
That Jeep sounds more like a 4 cylinder than the Bronco. Crazy
If you had an inclinometer on our screen or on your dash, it would be good information for us at home to understand the steepness of the trails : )
Always great videos! Fun to watch! Just a suggestion though, it might not be a bad idea to invest in a set of tire deflators.
It is all about the tires in this case. Narrow tires would help in the snow.
I had some pizza cutters on a plow truck. And it never got stuck.
depends how deep the snow it. they're better off dropping the pressure to 10 or so.
Yep. Wider floats, narrower digs.
What PSI did you have the tires at for the vehicles? Running around 15 to 20 in the snow will let you creep through the snow without slamming the pedal the whole time.
I live in northern Canada where it’s snow 6-7 months of year and you 100% hit the nail on the head!! Completely unnecessary to be smashing valves to get through the snow. Most of my winter wheeling is at 10-15 psi and I get them through twice as deep as the deepest they went through never having to go past half throttle.
i went all the way back to 05 tj 6 cyl. 6 sp. having a blast on 32’s 😂
They say "old" Jeep well I'll take all three of my "old" Jeeps over any "new" bronco .
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport , 2015 Jeep Wrangler 2-door built , and 2019 JL Rubicon unlimited , in the process of building 'er up of overland travel. Cheers Wild Bill.
@Jebus Hypocristos Yes the bronchitis (bronco) is a pile of scrap....in fact... what a waste of materials the bronco is
Love the Everglades package, would love to own one, but they are 25K overpriced.
I currently have an Everglades, I love it. Cant wait to put on some trails.
Hw is the power with 2.3
BTW the Everglades has both front and rear lockers.
Run in 4 high with the rear locker. easy day with that depth of snow
Couldn't imagine how they would do in 7" of snow 😆
Love your content! (also a comment to enhance your TH-cam algorithm performance)
like them both. I've had jeeps in the past, but I'd seriously consider the bronco.
Really cool; bet that was Soo much fun!!!
Problem with a Rubicon transfer case. Too much gearing. The only p,ace a Rubi t-case is any hood is in the rocks. Everywhere else, too low. Bless you can run transmission manually, and I know of no way to get that auto to have totally manual control. The ‘manual’ option stock only limits the upper gear, won’t prevent it from down shifting at the wrong time.
Nice comparison. You guys are so lucky in the US to be able to get that awesome Bronco for under US$ 60,000. Here in the over legislated and over taxed UK, we can't buy the Bronco and only a few boring small engine versions of the Wrangler. The UK Rubicon only comes with a 2 litre petrol engine and costs US$75,000 !
Crazy that a AEV JL rubicon is around 90k compared to the 64k JK
Is there any difference in them?
@@Jv19979 JL vs JL platform, and massive inflation.
Cool 😎
How about testing normal snow tires on that offroad route and compare it with M/T tires 🤔
Keep up the great work
Every off-road trim truck should come with those territory mt tires. They seem to perform great all around
Love to see Chevy come out with a new version of the K5 Blazer..Trail rated of course!
Please do some more testing and védicos with the everglades please
I thought the Goodyears aren't very good in snow but it did much better then I figured.
I was thinking about buying this type of Mickey Thompson tire, but after seeing this, I’m not sure
I do love the Everglades aesthetic!
The Bronco is impressive but for the price difference, I'd take the Jeep.
I'd take the Bronco all day!
I’d take the Jeep.
Amazing JK WRANGLER
I'm sorry I do not see a lot of snow. I still like the content.
3pmsf tires are great for on road winter driving. For offroading in deep snow you want an MT tire, as you can you see in the video
And aired down to single digits doesn't hurt either.
Not much beats tracks in deep snow.
Why don't you use german snow chains ???
Fun but 4H and thin tires that cut instead of push the snow. You’re not going to float on fresh snowfall. Just my experience on fresh snow.
As for the JK 4H with no traction control you would have been good.
A 1948 Willys with 7:00 x 16 Hankook's would give you guys a run for your money LOL! ( sometimes I do miss my ol' Willys )
Great video Andre and Tommy, the best of two worlds for me, watching you guys doing off-road in the snow and a nice morning coffee while watching this on a big screen TV.
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Hey guys! Very cool video! I have a 2021 Bronco, I got mine before the Glades came out. its looks cool! i do like the snorkel, And the flat top wheel wells. But i still like my big bend! your jeep is nice too!
I will pay that extra for bronco for it's external styling, road presence and uniqueness, everglade in eruption green looks sick
Would like to know the pressures when you air down
If it’s a warn evo you should check for the remote recall
You need to compare these cars with the same tires.
The Bronco is a beast. So much better than the Jeep. I own both
I have an idea for a video, try to find the Bronco for MSRP
A 3 peak tire "accelerates 10% faster than an all season on medium packed snow" Thats it, the rating is severely getting watered down with all these tires running the test and passing by the bare minimum. The Bronco tire could be better and just never tested for the rating. A top winter tire would be closer to a 50% improvement. Buyer beware and if you can look for some actual data on snow performance, tire rack does a good job with this.
The camera doesn't show it but, this is all up hill? Seems like a lot of drama. Both should practically idle through 6" of snow. My $9,000 surplus HMMWV handles deep snow with no problem. 🍻🇺🇸
That was not snow that was baby snow give it more snow
How perfect is this?! Andre the Ford fanboy driving the ford as usual and Tommy the jeep fanboy driving the jeep. It’s not even a secret anymore even tho they will continue to deny they have brand bias/favorites/haters. It’s blatantly obvious especially how much Andre loves ford over everything. Yeah he bought the new Colorado but that’s just for the channel and guarantee he won’t keep it too long and I’m sure he prolly has a bunch of fords at home or he will buy a ford soon as he’s over the Colorado. And it’s no secret Tommy has basically only drove Jeeps since as long as most people remember way back when he had his older 2 wrangler when he started going on camera for the channel. And then we got Nathan who swears up and down he’s a manly big truck power wagon guy yet he goes a buys a Santa Cruz for his personal “truck” cause he needed a bed. That crossover with a bed is no damn truck and budget doesn’t mean anything. You can find plenty of options for a real truck midsize or full size in great perfect condition for the price he paid for his Santa Cruz recently. Lollll.
I am curious Tommy kept commenting that the auto in the jeep wouldn't stay in the gear that he wanted. Would a manual have been a better choice?
That Jeep only made the deeper snows in the Bronc’s tracks. That being said, the Jeep still kicked butt. But for the price of a new Rubicon, the Bronc’s nicer driving would be the tie-breaker for me, for the 99% of time not rock or snow crawling.
After owning a 2 door bronco for almost 1 year. I can say the jeep is better at rock crawling. Can't really say anything else because I never owned a jeep. But the bronco is a blast to drive, reminds me of driving a old Ford with the big flat hood.
Oh my, did you just say the Bronco did better than a Jeep?.... Better take cover in the comment section 😜
You drove it all wrong, wow
12."5 wide tires SUCK in snow! They are having to push too much built up snow in front of them. Id either run a 10.5" wide tire or go the other way and run 13.5" wide for maximum flotation.
Love your guy’s content, we have pretty good content too😉
7:00 I did this on my last off road ride and I broke axle shaft. 😁 But it was in a dangerous place... 😬
Bronco wins again!!!!
I agree with that 5 speed on the jk, had a 2014 jk and it was a dog but still really capable offroad
We don't have snow in Australia but I assume it's the same as driving on sand? Low air pressure and 4hi?