The Relativity of Biblical Ethics by Joe Edward Barnhart, begins, "It is an axiom among fundamentalists and evangelicals that theology is the foundation of ethics and morality. Without this foundation, they fear, ethics would fragment into total relativism of dissolve into whim, arbitrariness, and chaos. I would like to contest that view by showing how some organized religions are parasitical to the body of ethics and how the Bible itself exemplifies moral relativism."
Hey, this is Dante (guy with hat), from the video. I wanted to get to (but got flabbergasted and ran out of time), if apologists see God as merely allowing polygamy in the OT, then where is there explicit denouncement of it in the NT. Dr. J holds to "incrementalism" when it comes to ethics in the Biblical account, but I struggle to see the incremental-ness of the sexual ethic in the Bible. Not sure if that's the point you're making, but it seems similar to your point to me!
It's very slippery to take a passage where God clearly GIVES David wives and is critiquing him committing adultery and murder and turn that into a one where God is critiquing polygamy. He's not. I like many things about this channel but this is most peoples problem with apologists. It is dishonest.
This was not just a thing for the OT, Isaiah 4:1 most would agree that this is end times prophecy, we see 7 coming to 1 to remove shame. Through out the OT this typically means giving that woman a child, so these would become truly wives and we know that only God can “open the womb” and “knit a child in the womb” . I see now where God regulates sin, but instead offers forgiveness for those that repent and consequences for those who don’t. “God is not a god of confusion” therefore logic will tell you if it is not forbidden then it is NOT a sin, but at the same time we can apply Pual when he tells us that while something maybe lawful, it is not always beneficial to all people at all times. But we must stop gaslighting and hammering people about the head and shoulders one things that God gave no clear guidance on. I think does not translate to God said and we will “have to answer for every idle word” and speculation is definitely idle words.
The host’s argument is that polygamy creates difficulties in marriage? But all relationships are difficult, monogamous, polygamous, etc.
I noticed I got Dr. J to say "trying to clarify complex issues" instead of just "clarifying complex issues" at the end!!
The Relativity of Biblical Ethics by Joe Edward Barnhart, begins, "It is an axiom among fundamentalists and evangelicals that theology is the foundation of ethics and morality. Without this foundation, they fear, ethics would fragment into total relativism of dissolve into whim, arbitrariness, and chaos. I would like to contest that view by showing how some organized religions are parasitical to the body of ethics and how the Bible itself exemplifies moral relativism."
God's moral system is based on what humans want to do, whether it's slavery or polygamy, according to apologists. So frustratingly ridiculous.
Hey, this is Dante (guy with hat), from the video. I wanted to get to (but got flabbergasted and ran out of time), if apologists see God as merely allowing polygamy in the OT, then where is there explicit denouncement of it in the NT. Dr. J holds to "incrementalism" when it comes to ethics in the Biblical account, but I struggle to see the incremental-ness of the sexual ethic in the Bible. Not sure if that's the point you're making, but it seems similar to your point to me!
21:44 We might think that but they dont claim their laws come from God himself most of the time. And if they do, we dont accept it so...
It's very slippery to take a passage where God clearly GIVES David wives and is critiquing him committing adultery and murder and turn that into a one where God is critiquing polygamy. He's not. I like many things about this channel but this is most peoples problem with apologists. It is dishonest.
This was not just a thing for the OT, Isaiah 4:1 most would agree that this is end times prophecy, we see 7 coming to 1 to remove shame. Through out the OT this typically means giving that woman a child, so these would become truly wives and we know that only God can “open the womb” and “knit a child in the womb” . I see now where God regulates sin, but instead offers forgiveness for those that repent and consequences for those who don’t. “God is not a god of confusion” therefore logic will tell you if it is not forbidden then it is NOT a sin, but at the same time we can apply Pual when he tells us that while something maybe lawful, it is not always beneficial to all people at all times. But we must stop gaslighting and hammering people about the head and shoulders one things that God gave no clear guidance on. I think does not translate to God said and we will “have to answer for every idle word” and speculation is definitely idle words.