Glad you had a good Thanksgiving, B. I wouldn't mind seeing a proper Arena video on the channel, I'm curious to hear what your full thoughts on it are. I think your thoughts on Smash are perfectly valid. Smash is, at its core, a fun party game to enjoy with your friends that *just happens* to have a dedicated online/tourney community as well. Whereas other plat fighters feel like they need to prioritize that community over the casual audience. Not to say they're lesser games for doing so, but it's clear that it sort of keeps them from being as universally approachable as Smash is Also can I say that I appreciate the Foghorn announcer getting some use there lol
I don't know if I would agree with Raven being on Beetlejuice's level of well-designed and fair. She's close, but I feel like a couple of moves have way too little endlag, or sometimes they just have a ridiculous lingering hitbox. I just don't have fun fighting this character, but she is just a patch or 2 away from being in that sweet spot.
shes def better than Beetlejuice, but i dont think her moves dont have little endlag aside from sair, and the only lingering hitbox i´ve seen with her is her charged neutral
I really regret trying to get good at smash honestly. At this point I'm not good enough anymore to actually get any satisfaction from it, but I'm too good to have any casual fun from it with others.
The archetypes argument is always bs. I mean compare Joker to Raven, or god forbid RICK. Dude has only 2 real projectiles, but plays more like a bruiser with light projectile game. Compare The PPGs to Arya in terms of end lag difference. Not to mention the PPGs having a hurtbox that makes Iron Giant blush. Makes fighting Black Adam and others the most David Vs Goliath matchup. Or compare almost any Bruiser to Shaggy Agent Smith and Batman. xD Some characters just feel like underpowered within their own archetype.
Or Nubia to literally any other Assassin, she's got worse startup and endlag than tanks, there is no world where she should be classed anything above bruiser
I think this game suffers from the same problems as any other live service game .. they listen to us when it comes to nerfs and buffs Games like this if U keep going they NERF the questioned in to the fkin ground And everyone on the topic in question has three camps Nerf it Buff it Leave it Doesn't Matter what it is what game what company It's always the same Things constantly changing to suit people that have zero idea what they want Everyone is biased towards their mains and everyone can't accept that they just plain lost And having influencers don't help once their opinions raised It truly doesn't matter how we feel Social media TH-cam twitch the problem goes viral and they get what they want It's in every live service game to date Same issues
The running away thing and lack of consistency among the cast, lack of wiff on some characters, and some characters being too small to hit is why I'm dropping out of the game. Shields won't fix people running away. And the devs insist on adding them so I don't have hope for this game not making me angry
I have a question about your thoughts on shields. Do you think PFG should have just made parries easier to do, or do you think adding shields would be more beneficial?
hell no parries would is the ultimate punish to make it easier would be detrimental towards the game people would just try to parry all the time and shields are better for balancing moves like shaggies kick
Shields fix a couple of problems with the game. Those moves that have large hitboxes and really tight punish windows can now be dealt with consistently. However there is a problem with the campy play styles being strengthened with shields. I do feel as though a lot of the playerbase is not going to like that a lot of their initiation tools they've come to love over the past year or so of the game could become their most punishable move with the addition of shields. We might lose a LOT of people. As for parries... we can't make them easier. I'd say make the reward slightly better, have them frozen for a bit longer. Then also make it to where parrying a projectile either A.) Parries the projectile. B.) Doesn't force you to freeze in place to be hit by another attack. (Give you some I-Frames) C.) Gives you dodge meter back. It would also help if a lot of attacks got their animations and hitboxes in synch. Some moves the visual of the move happens before the hitbox/hurtbox interactions start. Which can ruin your parry timing.
Most Raven's love to stall and camp and her moves take a while to kill the heavies. This combination leads to a frustrating game for everyone involved.
Tbh the game has taken a massive fall. The devs are half of the problem, the bum players who meta hop and spam are the other half. I miss attack decay fr.
@@claudiozerohero5312There's been several videos proving that attack decay is in fact still in the game. It just doesn't have a text blurb pop up anymore
@HypeVoiceActing j Just bc the reduction is reduced doesn't mean it truly feels like attack decay. Reducing the speed of the attack being spammed and a more significant knowback reduction and damage reduction now that would be true attack decay.
They need to fix hitboxes period b was using the PPG and literally would hit them with the ice breath then get hit as im hitting them. If my move came out first then why am I getting punished
Amazing top tier thumbnail! The hard comic panels faded into the background with popping text and the great dripped out Raven skin
Thanks, I think it really brings out the edge of the character while still showcasing the outfit as the centerpiece.
Glad you had a good Thanksgiving, B. I wouldn't mind seeing a proper Arena video on the channel, I'm curious to hear what your full thoughts on it are.
I think your thoughts on Smash are perfectly valid. Smash is, at its core, a fun party game to enjoy with your friends that *just happens* to have a dedicated online/tourney community as well. Whereas other plat fighters feel like they need to prioritize that community over the casual audience. Not to say they're lesser games for doing so, but it's clear that it sort of keeps them from being as universally approachable as Smash is
Also can I say that I appreciate the Foghorn announcer getting some use there lol
I feel like every time i fight a raven im getting cheesed when im really not
Her playstyle is VERY frustrating to fight against. I will 10000% admit that.
Bro I feel the too many Thanksgiving dinners. Got a split family, in laws, friends, extended family, I'm a turkey serial killer at this point
You and me both. Except instead of Turkey's it was Ham at 3 houses. Honey baked ham is like my Kryptonite. Expect me to gain at least 5 pounds lmao.
I don't know if I would agree with Raven being on Beetlejuice's level of well-designed and fair. She's close, but I feel like a couple of moves have way too little endlag, or sometimes they just have a ridiculous lingering hitbox. I just don't have fun fighting this character, but she is just a patch or 2 away from being in that sweet spot.
shes def better than Beetlejuice, but i dont think her moves dont have little endlag aside from sair, and the only lingering hitbox i´ve seen with her is her charged neutral
10:50 i was literally about to release a video stating that if they add shields im not even gonna think twice about that uninstall button xp
Well... it seems like it may be more likely than you think.
I really regret trying to get good at smash honestly. At this point I'm not good enough anymore to actually get any satisfaction from it, but I'm too good to have any casual fun from it with others.
Looking good raven
Truly blessing us.
@@BPlusEfforts she’s my favorite character
The archetypes argument is always bs. I mean compare Joker to Raven, or god forbid RICK. Dude has only 2 real projectiles, but plays more like a bruiser with light projectile game.
Compare The PPGs to Arya in terms of end lag difference. Not to mention the PPGs having a hurtbox that makes Iron Giant blush. Makes fighting Black Adam and others the most David Vs Goliath matchup.
Or compare almost any Bruiser to Shaggy Agent Smith and Batman. xD
Some characters just feel like underpowered within their own archetype.
Or Nubia to literally any other Assassin, she's got worse startup and endlag than tanks, there is no world where she should be classed anything above bruiser
I think this game suffers from the same problems as any other live service game .. they listen to us when it comes to nerfs and buffs
Games like this if U keep going they NERF the questioned in to the fkin ground
And everyone on the topic in question has three camps
Nerf it
Buff it
Leave it
Doesn't Matter what it is what game what company
It's always the same
Things constantly changing to suit people that have zero idea what they want
Everyone is biased towards their mains and everyone can't accept that they just plain lost
And having influencers don't help once their opinions raised
It truly doesn't matter how we feel
Social media TH-cam twitch the problem goes viral and they get what they want
It's in every live service game to date
Same issues
The running away thing and lack of consistency among the cast, lack of wiff on some characters, and some characters being too small to hit is why I'm dropping out of the game.
Shields won't fix people running away. And the devs insist on adding them so I don't have hope for this game not making me angry
I agree.
6:53 finn players fr
I have a question about your thoughts on shields. Do you think PFG should have just made parries easier to do, or do you think adding shields would be more beneficial?
hell no parries would is the ultimate punish to make it easier would be detrimental towards the game people would just try to parry all the time and shields are better for balancing moves like shaggies kick
Shields fix a couple of problems with the game. Those moves that have large hitboxes and really tight punish windows can now be dealt with consistently. However there is a problem with the campy play styles being strengthened with shields. I do feel as though a lot of the playerbase is not going to like that a lot of their initiation tools they've come to love over the past year or so of the game could become their most punishable move with the addition of shields. We might lose a LOT of people.
As for parries... we can't make them easier. I'd say make the reward slightly better, have them frozen for a bit longer. Then also make it to where parrying a projectile either
A.) Parries the projectile.
B.) Doesn't force you to freeze in place to be hit by another attack. (Give you some I-Frames)
C.) Gives you dodge meter back.
It would also help if a lot of attacks got their animations and hitboxes in synch. Some moves the visual of the move happens before the hitbox/hurtbox interactions start. Which can ruin your parry timing.
@@BPlusEfforts Maybe they could've also made reflecting projectiles a core function of parries instead of needing to equip a perk to do so.
What happened to that bugs b. video you mentioned
It comes out in about 2 and a half hours
16:10 but then you go ajead and give them more ideas...
she need a patch asap
Not to be a hater (I am a Superman main) but games with Raven (using or against) take so fucking long. Am I crazy?
Most Raven's love to stall and camp and her moves take a while to kill the heavies. This combination leads to a frustrating game for everyone involved.
She doesn't have many kill moves
Was iron Giant in this vid?no
Should he be removed from the game? One hundred percent
Beta iron giant was a push over. Just need to go a little to that direction
This comment gets my support!
@@BPlusEfforts 😂🙏
Tbh the game has taken a massive fall. The devs are half of the problem, the bum players who meta hop and spam are the other half. I miss attack decay fr.
You people REALLY refuse to believe people when they say attack decay IS still in the game, do you?
@HypeVoiceActing if people can spam me without punishment it really isn't in the game lmao
@@claudiozerohero5312There's been several videos proving that attack decay is in fact still in the game. It just doesn't have a text blurb pop up anymore
@HypeVoiceActing j
Just bc the reduction is reduced doesn't mean it truly feels like attack decay. Reducing the speed of the attack being spammed and a more significant knowback reduction and damage reduction now that would be true attack decay.
They need to fix hitboxes period b was using the PPG and literally would hit them with the ice breath then get hit as im hitting them. If my move came out first then why am I getting punished