Do you think these new cpus coming out are more focused on A.I. instead of gaming and that is why their performance does not transfer? I have noticed this with amd 9000 series and now confirmed with intel admitted the same with their IPC gains.
*I noticed the picture of the new Switch PCB has the cart reader setup for being soldered directly on the mainboard. So, maybe just a first version? I'm not sure. Also, the PCB picture shows 19 pins for the cartridge reader. The current Switch uses 17. If this is the current layout for the new system's cart reader, it most likely will NOT be backwards compatible. The pinout and the cartridge data paths won't match.*
The only thing I don't like about these chargers is how heavily they are marketed for iPhones. USB C isn't Apple property, no idea why so many people act like it is. Especially since Apple refused to use it in their iPhones up until EU forced them to. Most devices are still non-Apple and I would be interested in these if they weren't aimed at Apple users so heavily. And switch 3 will have what? 24 gigs when 32 will be the minimum for modern gaming at that time?
My source says that it's a triple screen fold out to 14". Oh yah and twice as fast as PlayStation 6. Yah 6. Nvidia is just giving them away with a smile
"It isn't a dual screen by design. A second console can be attached to act as a secondary screen. The same thing can be done using the TV. Mimicking the WiiU." Source: voices inside my head 😂
@@razatl More so a blurry mess on larger screens. We have not yet seen a fully customized upscaling technology leveraged on an 8" screen. Rumblings are that 540p upscaled to 1080p not only will offer huge power savings but also will look good in portable mode.
The Switch OLED has the exact same kick stand with the notch on it, so I doubt it is any sort of design to help with cooling. It would be cool if they implemented something like that though.
@@miles5186 im just excited that Nintendo is finally delivering a relatively powerful console. I mean, it's comparable to Xbox's entry level console and its a handheld with that sweet DLSS magic. It's to the point where we can see some impressive 3rd party ports. Maybe even a GTA 6??? I'm sure Nintendo will want that system seller and GTA 6 at what? 720p in handheld mode? Sure it will be 30 FPS. Maybe an unstable 30 but it' s exciting. Reminds me of the power of the GameCube.
The CAD files are mock ups by an artist, if you look at the joycons and the real picture of the joycons, you can see that the artist doesn't detail the connector or the guides for the magnets like it visible on the actual joycons. The CAD files are helpful for size and basic details, but not helpful beyond that since they are "fake" in that they are professionally made mock ups from details given to the artist. The pictures of the actual device are what leaked here.
I think the delays with the Switch will give it a custom tegra chip that, while still Ampere based, will support advanced DLSS, framegen, and some level of neural texture compression. This is the only way they can manage another 7 year product lifespan.
The way they manage a seven year product lifespan is with their software development teams, same way they did it with the Switch. The Switch is heading into its eighth year into being the best selling console of all time despite being slower than an iPhone SE. If Switch 2 can run eighth-gen/ninth-gen cross-platform games (which is 99% of new games) then they'll be fine. Ninth-gen being a bust is in Nintendo's favor. As long as a game can run on PS4 Pro or Series S it can be ported to Switch 2.
@@KoolAidManOG All very true. My point is that a delay of one year could correlate to 2 or 3 more years of life cycle though compared to releasing similarly speced hardware without leveraging upscaling (which is for sure the case now) and framegen (a feature nvidia limits to Ada, but even MLID's leak states the tegra chip already completed has some extra goodies) The thing I doubt about his leaker is that they would release in Q1 of 2025 something that was completed in late 2022 with no further revisions. I'm saying they delay this long, that product is being revised. This is a product whose failure will be measured at 50 million units and success at over 80 million. AMD just spilled the beans on FSR4 using framegen as a battery saving measure. I can't see a Switch 2 coming out without that already being leveraged and AMD being the follower.
@@douglasmurphy3266 Man! I really hope it gets jailbroken. Not for piracy reasons (i have a modded Switch that I dump all my purchased Nintendo games onto my PC). I would really love to see the inner workings. Like what features are in there that Nintendo won't be leveraging or using t o it's full capabilities.
You said 5 watts and no fan needed while handheld. Put the fan into the dock! That would be really clever. The space that the fan takes up could be all fins and sink a lot of heat into the massive amounts of air that an external fan could supply.
Maybe it could boost while charging in handheld mode? Then the fan would need to be inside. I think liquid metal would be very beneficial for cooling performance while using a small heatsink.
Pray this is all real honestly, it sounds like a banger handheld and I’m curious how well it will do If it’s named Switch 2 or just looks like a larger switch, I wonder how well it will sell.
About the Switch 2 cooling, the dock will probably have a small fan(s) similar to gaming phones like the ROG Phone, that's the only explanation I can see for hitting that much higher clock speed when docked while being just as slim as the original Switch.
@kotztotz3530 exactly idk how that's still lost on so many people. Not that it should be surprising either that the bigger company is less pro consumer. Then again some amd fans have them hailed as an altruistic saviours for gsmers and not a soulless mega corporation.
We should always be rooting for viable competition. None of these big tech companies are our friends and we should hope that there's at least viable competition for whatever is the leading tech of the time.
The problem is not if it's fast enough but instead if we can trust intel after the way they handled the 13th/14th gen issues. I for one am giving the next 3-5 generations of intel chips a pass.
@@N0rth0M-1AMD really isn’t better, their motherboard and general platform situation is a fucking mess and they seem to be refusing to improve it. Their driver situation is also a fucking mess. With Intel, I can pretty much guarantee that the motherboard and ram I buy will work, and I won’t have to dick around with bios settings for 4 hours. I recently bought a 7950X3D and the boot process was probably the worst experience I’ve ever had, this was on a $300 motherboard. I’ve had to help two coworkers debug their AMD systems instability and ram problems. They seriously need to fix their infinity fabric/io chiplet issues, otherwise I’m going back to Intel next upgrade. The worst thing to debug on a system is a ram issue, every Ryzen system I’ve built has had them. Ryzens insane cleared cmos boot time only exacerbates the issue.
@@macicoinc9363 Maybe the issue is buying RAM that hasn't been tested for stability with the motherboard. Every motherboard has a list of tested RAM kits that work with it. It's simple. I've built 2 PCs, both AMD systems, and have used 3 different RAM kits in total and have never had an issue with compatibility. My first build actually had the Intel version of a Corsair Vengeance 16GB kit (didn't realize when I bought it was the Intel optimized SKU) and it still worked no problem at the desired XMP frequency on a B450 Max motherboard and Ryzen 5 2600 Zen+ CPU. That was a Linux Mint system so no issues whatsoever from the AMD side of things but the Nvidia GPU gave me a lot of driver problems since Nvidia doesn't have Linux optimized/compatible drivers at all. I'm currently on Windows 11 and Zen 4 and the issues I have had are almost solely with Windows. One update messed up my custom hynix memory settings that I got from Buildzoid and another one single-handedly raised the voltage on my 7700X beyond safe levels. You had issues with the dual CCD X3D CPU which wasn't optimized as well as Intel's E-core situation was. Microsoft in general just puts more effort into working with Intel due to the industry. AM4 works flawlessly at this point but AM5 is a work in progress. I'm going to test out Linux again with my AM5 system and see for myself but it seems like it's more a Windows stability problem than a problem with just AM5 or AMD one. I think it was mentioned in a Broken Silicon that Intel bragged about having as many software engineers as AMD had total employees. They have more resources and the market share to brute force the software to work with Intel. There are some AMD stability problems though that aren't a Microsoft or AMD issue and is due to user error/ignorance/negligence. Ancient Gameplays has talked about this a lot and has many videos and tutorials on these topics that involve motherboard chipset drivers, clearing old drivers correctly, and other updating new drivers properly. Doing these right can fix a lot of issues that people blame AMD or Windows for. At this point AMD has improved their drivers a lot so to say they're not fixing things or that they're all a mess isn't fully accurate. Again how you update the drivers can be the issue in itself. Your chipset drivers have to be updated too.
Intel needs to be more efficient and reliable not just more powerful. AMD knew it early in CPUs while Nvidia knew early with GPUs. With switch, Nvidia also might be willing to go just breakeven to stay into a console market because they've lost the war with Playstation and Xbox. They will keep continue to use AMD due to backwards compatibility issues.
Nvidia Will never be in an xbox or playstation (again) because the profit margins on those chips are too low. With the switch its a tiny little chip and its nintendo so people will pay through the nose.
Console chips are a steady high-volume long-term income for AMD, I guess. PS5 already sold 61.7 million units and Xbox Series X and S 28.3 million units. Overall AMD probably delivered 100+ million chips for these generation consoles. Margins are probably lower on these due to high volume nature. PS5 was announced in 2019 and launched 2020. They will probably be cooking the same chip for 5-10 years in large quantities.
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@@raeesrichards6786 Yeah, I feel you. The Switch always felt like a toy to me after the Wii U. I felt like I was going to break it every time I died in Breath of The Wild.
Has Intel figured out an automatic way to do APO for Arrow Lake, without needing hand crafted APO settings for each game, like it was in the RPL? APO gives crazy gains to the games it's used on and power usage gets almost halved, i remember Tom saying something about intel trying to fix the e-core usage in games without APO, for Arrow Lake. Is that still a thing?
I pray some 3rd party probes the map out of the screen at launch and offers a OLED mod. I only wish to buy the switch 2 once. Giving Nintendo money is so hard with how they manage their ips and consoles.
He's been on point lately. PS5 Pro, Switch 2, etc. I just like the drama of it all and how it keeps tech news interesting and fun to talk about with fellow nerds. Really excited about this Switch 2. The system is probably Nintendo's most relatively powerful system since the GameCube (their best console ever. FIGHT ME!)
Would be interesting design if the dock has the fan. Makes the device lighter and saves space. Saves also some energy as fan uses some power. Then you have to rely on passive cooling in handheld mode. It’s a much bigger device than flagship phones. Rumors say it’s 4 TFLOPS. That’s 2x of flagship mobile phones. But this could be docked mode. Flagship phone performance in handheld with no thermal throttling is possible with the larger chassis. Then it would be slightly faster than PS4 in handheld mode and close to PS4 Pro in docked mode. That ”small” battery is 60% bigger than iPhone 15 Pro. Seems completely doable. Numbers match.
A bit concerned about the power draw of Arrowlake. I think they are going to be TSMC chips this time so maybe the power efficiency will be actually good? Idk. 65 to 95 watts would be nice.
I don't think any of the previous core cpus were inefficient silicon, they just chose to push them beyond what was reasonable which on the efficiency curve is in the mad overclocker territory. You require twice to thrice the energy and cooling capacity for sometimes less than 10% gains. They still had 65W and 35W versions of Raptor Lake. They actually perform amazingly well considering the node disadvantage they trapped themselves in. The inefficiency was merely any means necessary to score benchmark victories over Ryzen 9
They chopped 100-50W across the whole line, but yes they canceled 20A node and are going with TSMC for these. Next chance for intel's fab is 18A, which may land in late 2026 to consumers.
@@tyoung319 Will the 18a have the same socket or will we have to replace our mobo's? Anyone know if they tried to fix the ILM issue , heard it's the same problem with mounting pressure for AIO's... i have a 12900k but have a hobby/passion for upgrading - if I see 15-20% performance bump, I'd be tempted to upgrade. I game, but I also do content creation using max, and adobe programs. Even with a 420 aio, I was always nervous about heat and throttling issues. Thoughts?
These performance estimates for ARL are frankly disappointing considering it's a jump from Intel 7 (RLR) to TSMC N3B (ARL), alongside a much more advanced packaging compared to Zen. This does not bode well for Intel's margins.
X3d in gaming, nothing else really. Intel pulls away in workloads in their price segment. The 13600kf gives similar performance to the 9700x in workloads, meaning the 245(i think thats the i5 lol) will see gains above that. The 265 will likely be near the top of MT performance and sit under the X3d in gaming while beating the none 3XD chips like we have typically seen. if the 7950X is still $500ish thats a tough sell. The 7700x at $250 is more attractive, but still a tough sell depending how much the I5 is.
Your issue with the switch 2 power consumption is you are using the total consumption chart for comparison to the SoC consumption. Screen takes up battery too, and the resolution is going up to 1080p. Meaning more energy consumption. There are rumors of multiple screens too, which... imo doesn't make sense. But who knows. 5w SoC sure. The most energy efficient 1080p screens take 4w or so. Then you have the other chips, caps, leakage, etc... Probably looking at a 10-12w draw which puts the increase battery size in the same lifespan, roughly.
Screen power consumption is usually based on how bright you want the screen. Also Nintendo are going for 60Hz still so it won't use that much power. Probably 2-3w at most, maybe 4w with the brightness maxed out but tbf that would wash all the black levels out.
Not at all, you were comparing the SoC power draw to the total draw of the first switch. My comment is in direct response to your statements. Not magically disassociated. @MooresLawIsDead
Well. I will assume the Switch 2 will use more than 5 Watts. The APU sure… the whole System however… different Story. The (V)RAM needs Power too, the Controller as well. The Board too. I will assume that’s why Nintendo said 5Watts for the SOC.
I'm so hyped for switch 2, I hope the battery life can stay 3-5 hours for demanding games, my rog ally last like 50 minutes .. bet AMD is salty about that, switch sold like coffee everywhere
The leaks say there will be 2 fan, one inside the Switch and another in the Dock, and in the photo of the prototype under the JoyCon this could be where the fan goes.
Difference is 4.7ghz is near the top for 12700k, and you are missing 8 cores in MT. Stock 12700k is on GB6 at 2500/13000. That is significantly lower than the 3400/20000+ we have seen leaked at stock or under stock settings from the 265k. If there is any OC overhead, add another 5-10%.
What we need to keep in mind , is that of course by applying more power we get more computing capacity . But it does not scale linearly. Far from it. The more power we apply , the less the increase in computing power we get. So, assessing 2 processors at 250 W?? I do not know . I am all for desktop computing , and for utilising power over 30 watts,butI think up to 120 Watts is reasonable . Beyond that, it is insane , and it is because of this , Intel would void your guarrantee if you stressed the proc to these levels in more reasonable times. Intel at the latest years resorted to these power levels because it found itself unbelieveably behind in lithography. So it had to make up for it somehow. But now that they use nodes close or perhaps the same in the future with Apple, I think they need to cool down.
12:14 There's nothing pointing to that notch being anything special. All the dockable Switch models have them. It's just there to help it align with the dock.
It would be nice if they put a bit bigger battery on it though, if its going to run well at 5 watts then a 30wh battery (rather than 20) would be nice.
It's probably going to be fine, it wasn't rushed like raptor lake and it's a totally different design. Still, people will distrust them anyway and they only have themselves to blame. If AMD didn't reach historic levels of fumbling the bag, stumbling at the last hurdle etc they would be screwed.
You could also just stop it from running at over 1.6 volts yourself and guarantee that it's safe. Do you people not remember that amd had to cap voltages on zen 4 to 1.3v because going much higher was literally lighting them up yet yall are somehow suprised RPL was degrading to failure eventually with wayyy higher voltages. I'm suprised they lasted remotely that long. Itd be like running ur cpu at 115°C
We haven't seen any data showing mass failures, the narrow data we have seen showed even "defective" intel 13/14th gen having a lower failure rate than AMD. I would take that with a grain of salt, but with 40M cpus sold last year, we would see it more out in the open if it were some mass wide spread issue.
Just 5 watts on handheld mode is insane. The original Switch (1.1 Mariko chip) had already really really good battery life for a handheld and it was very light and comfortable, it didnt get hot at all. I don't see why make it less than that required, and you cant have too much difference between handheld and docked because the game still has to look similar in some way and perform about the same otherwise it would feel weird to lets say play 30fps in handheld and 60fps in docked.
Docked will be aiming for higher resolutions so frame rates will likely be the same targets unless a Dev has targeted for 60fps from the beginning. E.g prince of Persia style.
Unless AL's architecture benefits more from Windows 24H2 than RL did, I don't see a firm win for AL in gaming yet. In fact, I don't see at all over X3D.
Without a cache bump it probably wont happen. I market segment wise designing chips specifically for gamers is bad idea. Intel needs to see solid productivity gains with a power shave, which it looks like thats what we will get. Lot more people will buy a $300-500 cpu for work than they will for gaming, when strapped for cash focusing on you core is good.
I actually think both 7800X3D and 9800X3D refresh will be slower than the flagship Arrow Lake because Zen5 is not a gaming architecture and Intel will support even faster memory. The 14900K is only 6% slower than the 7800X3D in Hardware Unboxed data. Not hard to beat.
9:35 Also, don't forget, Nintendo's central audience is kids. And children simply do not have the strength of adults. A heavy handheld, and the player is going to run out of battery before the console does.
It does seem arrow lake would be intel's saving grace this year. Better single threaded performance than ryzen 9000 series, and yeah, it depends also on gaming performance, so I'll wait for actual testing from reviewers
I’ll take 12-15%. With all things considered that arrow lake is bringing, much lower tdp, better ram speeds and memory latency. I’m happy with that tbh.
Sadly, the 12900k will be the last intel CPU I buy for a long while, maybe ever. I do not care what performance some future chip launches with when I can reasonably expect problems that diminish that performance or even render the chip useless. I’m just particularly butthurt because I had hoped to upgrade the CPU to 13 or 14 whenever they went on clearance but now, if I had a 14900k I might be looking through ebay for a 12900k replacement!
Will 12gb ram be enough for the coming 7 years? Since the switch generation lasts almost 8 years now, hope it can run some third party triple A games without major compromises
12 gigs is ded on arrival pretty much. Unless they pull a 16gig at the last minute. The original switch was 2gb believe it or not, but some 1st party devs were crying to nintendo and they decided on 4gb.
It seems like it'll be as powerful or more powerful than Series S. The Series S already struggles to run certain games but most Switch 2 ports would probably be super targeted and optimized and run a bit better. I could see something like Cyberpunk 2077 running on it pretty well. Especially since games might be using DLSS by default but we still have to see if that's the case
Hard to say but for 1080P yes. Anything beyond that… it depends. Probably manageable to a certain degree for the next few Years but maybe not the full next 7 Years.
Nintendo always made sure to make a profit even on their consoles unlike the other companies (Microsoft, Sony), so having the joycons be magnetic makes sense. People'll be dropping their console on the ground while holding onto the joycons 🤣
Has Tom ever leaked anything about in which node is Bartlett Lake made on, since it's coming out next year, i'd presume Intel3 or 18A, but since this is intel, they won't port the architecture from 10nm+/intel7. At the same time though, a Meteor Lake Refresh on intel3(instead of intel4) might be the i3 for Arrow Lake's generation.
TBH I'm not even sure why nVidia wants to make hardware for such a historically low effort hardware brand like Nintendo consoles... The money they're making of off stuff like this is likely chump change anyway. And it does nothing for their "image" either. My only theory that's making semi-sense, is that to spite AMD and not let them get the full credit for being the entire backbone of the current, it's mid refresh and next gen console gaming space (hence a more and more dedicated eye from the software/gaming developers on them) Either way, couldn't care less about anything related to Nintendon't lol
@@kelvinjinxdNo! First dies always go to EPYC and then Ryzen and then enough stock is given to X3D packaging and finally enough stock is built up to create retail channels. There is always a delay to X3D release.
@@AleraKira Least bought sku that needs the highest binning, gaming is pretty niche compared to server and workstation needs. But the get the best chips of the batches, great if you are a gamer.
to be fair the switch 1 OS is pretty light on RAM usage (consuming around 1GB if I'm not mistaken). if they were to use that again they'd have 11GB for games, which pretty comparable to other current machines (I'm pretty sure both the series x and PS5 allocate only a little bit more of RAM for the games).
Most of performance improvement amd was claiming for zen5 in their presentations turned out to be fake, real improvement was half of what they were telling.
And after we finally escaped the Intel decade of BS, why are we so happy to have them back on top? We deserve all the crap that we get from these anticonsumer corporations.
@@amartinez97 first, we haven't scaped Intel yet, but people make it sound like AMD already has a 90% market share in the CPU market and already forgave all of Intel illegal actions and anticonsumer things they did to us and AMD. Second, talking about 90% market share, how come nobody is doing their part (buying AMD gpus) instead of bending over to Ngreedia? Competition my behind, it only matters when it's your favorite company losing.
@@grtitann7425AMD is capacity limited they cant address all the markets at the same time. Intel would never go under they are the only western manufacturer of advanced semiconductors they'll get bailed out.
I actually think the 9800X3D will be slower than the flagship Arrow Lake because Zen5 is not a gaming architecture and Intel will support even faster memory.
@@tstager1978 Zen5 is a flop as it has performance regression in way too many games vs Zen4 even with the Windows11 24H2 update. Putting V-cache on top won't make it significantly faster than Zen4 X3D. Go watch Hardware Unboxed reviews. The scaling between those two will be the same. The brand new 7600X3D is slower than the 14600K, both 7900X3D and 7950X3D are slower than the 14900K. The 7800X3D is the only AMD CPU that currently beats Intel in most games. Arrow lake doesn't have to do much to crush both Zen4 X3D and its Zen5 X3D successor. Arrow Lake has more cache and faster memory support. Zen5 and Zen5 X3D have no cache increase relative to their predecessors and re-use the same DDR5 controller. Those are the key aspects that matter the most for gaming.
Arrow Lake looks to be good and not gimped on DDR5 speed either. I can't wait to see 285K/265K vs 9800X3D and first then, I will make my decision. Unless Arrow Lake is a slam dunk then I probably won't wait another 3+ months for 9800X3D because I don't really think it will be faster than 10-15% over 7800X3D in gaming and 25% in applications.
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Do you think these new cpus coming out are more focused on A.I. instead of gaming and that is why their performance does not transfer?
I have noticed this with amd 9000 series and now confirmed with intel admitted the same with their IPC gains.
TH-cam will be rolling out a super like thing on videos soon bro. It will boost smaller channels
*I noticed the picture of the new Switch PCB has the cart reader setup for being soldered directly on the mainboard. So, maybe just a first version? I'm not sure. Also, the PCB picture shows 19 pins for the cartridge reader. The current Switch uses 17. If this is the current layout for the new system's cart reader, it most likely will NOT be backwards compatible. The pinout and the cartridge data paths won't match.*
The only thing I don't like about these chargers is how heavily they are marketed for iPhones. USB C isn't Apple property, no idea why so many people act like it is. Especially since Apple refused to use it in their iPhones up until EU forced them to. Most devices are still non-Apple and I would be interested in these if they weren't aimed at Apple users so heavily.
And switch 3 will have what? 24 gigs when 32 will be the minimum for modern gaming at that time?
OMG who chose the intro music, it may be free but damn it's awful 🤣
I cant believe the amount of people saying its dual screens when it's clearly the old switch vs new switch screen size
The hopium's unreal for sure.
My source says that it's a triple screen fold out to 14". Oh yah and twice as fast as PlayStation 6. Yah 6. Nvidia is just giving them away with a smile
Gamers can be so gullible
"It isn't a dual screen by design. A second console can be attached to act as a secondary screen. The same thing can be done using the TV. Mimicking the WiiU."
Source: voices inside my head 😂
It actually has no screen but you can buy one and attach it via the second usb-c. 🕺
I like what Im hearing about switch 2. I like that they priotitize battery life and reserve all the power for dock, I think that's a good approach.
Plus I can see DLSS help pick up the slack of using low wattages in handheld mode
@@mistamaog I don't think so, the lower the resolution the harder it is to upscale, but i hope this generation is not a blurry mess
@@razatl Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be 720p that's being upscaled to 1080p
@@razatl More so a blurry mess on larger screens. We have not yet seen a fully customized upscaling technology leveraged on an 8" screen. Rumblings are that 540p upscaled to 1080p not only will offer huge power savings but also will look good in portable mode.
The Switch OLED has the exact same kick stand with the notch on it, so I doubt it is any sort of design to help with cooling. It would be cool if they implemented something like that though.
but its larger so I mean heat dissipation will be better at least
@@miles5186 im just excited that Nintendo is finally delivering a relatively powerful console. I mean, it's comparable to Xbox's entry level console and its a handheld with that sweet DLSS magic.
It's to the point where we can see some impressive 3rd party ports. Maybe even a GTA 6??? I'm sure Nintendo will want that system seller and GTA 6 at what? 720p in handheld mode? Sure it will be 30 FPS. Maybe an unstable 30 but it' s exciting.
Reminds me of the power of the GameCube.
is it though? it's pretty clear that it will once again underperform and limit games heavily.
The CAD files are mock ups by an artist, if you look at the joycons and the real picture of the joycons, you can see that the artist doesn't detail the connector or the guides for the magnets like it visible on the actual joycons. The CAD files are helpful for size and basic details, but not helpful beyond that since they are "fake" in that they are professionally made mock ups from details given to the artist. The pictures of the actual device are what leaked here.
It has the same back as OLED because you can't see the back on leaked images, artist who did cad mock-ups had to improvise
I will literally never get bored of the intro music
For those of us old enough to remember the game gear, this isn't the first time Nintendo has stuck to this approach.
I think the delays with the Switch will give it a custom tegra chip that, while still Ampere based, will support advanced DLSS, framegen, and some level of neural texture compression. This is the only way they can manage another 7 year product lifespan.
The way they manage a seven year product lifespan is with their software development teams, same way they did it with the Switch. The Switch is heading into its eighth year into being the best selling console of all time despite being slower than an iPhone SE.
If Switch 2 can run eighth-gen/ninth-gen cross-platform games (which is 99% of new games) then they'll be fine. Ninth-gen being a bust is in Nintendo's favor. As long as a game can run on PS4 Pro or Series S it can be ported to Switch 2.
@@KoolAidManOG All very true. My point is that a delay of one year could correlate to 2 or 3 more years of life cycle though compared to releasing similarly speced hardware without leveraging upscaling (which is for sure the case now) and framegen (a feature nvidia limits to Ada, but even MLID's leak states the tegra chip already completed has some extra goodies)
The thing I doubt about his leaker is that they would release in Q1 of 2025 something that was completed in late 2022 with no further revisions. I'm saying they delay this long, that product is being revised. This is a product whose failure will be measured at 50 million units and success at over 80 million.
AMD just spilled the beans on FSR4 using framegen as a battery saving measure. I can't see a Switch 2 coming out without that already being leveraged and AMD being the follower.
@@douglasmurphy3266 Man! I really hope it gets jailbroken. Not for piracy reasons (i have a modded Switch that I dump all my purchased Nintendo games onto my PC). I would really love to see the inner workings. Like what features are in there that Nintendo won't be leveraging or using t o it's full capabilities.
You are delusional
@@samson7294being able to OC it while undocked and run it at 10w instead of 5w would be pretty nice at times, you'd get a big performance boost.
I would argue a bigger, more important reason for going with nVidia, was back compat
You said 5 watts and no fan needed while handheld. Put the fan into the dock! That would be really clever. The space that the fan takes up could be all fins and sink a lot of heat into the massive amounts of air that an external fan could supply.
Damn.. big brain thought right here!!!
good idea but how are you going to implement that without exposing the insides? the heatpipes are inside the unit...
@@Aditya-sj4ev They could use some kind of peltier cooler on the dock ?
Maybe it could boost while charging in handheld mode? Then the fan would need to be inside. I think liquid metal would be very beneficial for cooling performance while using a small heatsink.
Pray this is all real honestly, it sounds like a banger handheld and I’m curious how well it will do
If it’s named Switch 2 or just looks like a larger switch, I wonder how well it will sell.
It should sell well considering Sony does this exact same marketing tactic and sells crazy units
About the Switch 2 cooling, the dock will probably have a small fan(s) similar to gaming phones like the ROG Phone, that's the only explanation I can see for hitting that much higher clock speed when docked while being just as slim as the original Switch.
Dual fans have been confirmed 👌
we are so back
finally some excitement!!! Papa Mario is back!
First time in over a decade where I'm rooting for Intel to succeed
Fr, AMD be acting like old Intel nowadays .
@kotztotz3530 exactly idk how that's still lost on so many people. Not that it should be surprising either that the bigger company is less pro consumer. Then again some amd fans have them hailed as an altruistic saviours for gsmers and not a soulless mega corporation.
AMD is nowhere near as how shady Intel is.
We should always be rooting for viable competition. None of these big tech companies are our friends and we should hope that there's at least viable competition for whatever is the leading tech of the time.
@@low_etc Because they can't
this switch 2 is so much more exciting than ps5 pro
For Nintendo's wallet maybe.... Cheapening out on Ram again...
A new system over a refresh of course
Honestly if the Switch 2 lets me play BOTW at full 1080p 60fps (or even upscaled to 4K using DLSS) then that would keep me busy for a while.
@@Ronny999x 12 gb seems ok for mobile console hardware. I mean it will have more ram available for games than Xbox Series S.
@@bluetech2809 Hopefully with a free update, but who am I kidding, it will probably be a $70 purchase again lol
That flap at the bottom of the Switch 2 render also existed on the current OLED model.
Thank you so much was eagerly waiting for this
The problem is not if it's fast enough but instead if we can trust intel after the way they handled the 13th/14th gen issues. I for one am giving the next 3-5 generations of intel chips a pass.
amd is just better, sadly they seem to know that and priced the new boards accordingly
@@N0rth0M-1 AMD is better because Lisa Su is a benevolent chip goddess.
@@N0rth0M-1AMD really isn’t better, their motherboard and general platform situation is a fucking mess and they seem to be refusing to improve it. Their driver situation is also a fucking mess.
With Intel, I can pretty much guarantee that the motherboard and ram I buy will work, and I won’t have to dick around with bios settings for 4 hours.
I recently bought a 7950X3D and the boot process was probably the worst experience I’ve ever had, this was on a $300 motherboard. I’ve had to help two coworkers debug their AMD systems instability and ram problems. They seriously need to fix their infinity fabric/io chiplet issues, otherwise I’m going back to Intel next upgrade.
The worst thing to debug on a system is a ram issue, every Ryzen system I’ve built has had them. Ryzens insane cleared cmos boot time only exacerbates the issue.
@@macicoinc9363every ram will work with AMD if you don't turn on EXPO/XMP
@@macicoinc9363 Maybe the issue is buying RAM that hasn't been tested for stability with the motherboard. Every motherboard has a list of tested RAM kits that work with it. It's simple. I've built 2 PCs, both AMD systems, and have used 3 different RAM kits in total and have never had an issue with compatibility. My first build actually had the Intel version of a Corsair Vengeance 16GB kit (didn't realize when I bought it was the Intel optimized SKU) and it still worked no problem at the desired XMP frequency on a B450 Max motherboard and Ryzen 5 2600 Zen+ CPU. That was a Linux Mint system so no issues whatsoever from the AMD side of things but the Nvidia GPU gave me a lot of driver problems since Nvidia doesn't have Linux optimized/compatible drivers at all.
I'm currently on Windows 11 and Zen 4 and the issues I have had are almost solely with Windows. One update messed up my custom hynix memory settings that I got from Buildzoid and another one single-handedly raised the voltage on my 7700X beyond safe levels. You had issues with the dual CCD X3D CPU which wasn't optimized as well as Intel's E-core situation was. Microsoft in general just puts more effort into working with Intel due to the industry. AM4 works flawlessly at this point but AM5 is a work in progress. I'm going to test out Linux again with my AM5 system and see for myself but it seems like it's more a Windows stability problem than a problem with just AM5 or AMD one.
I think it was mentioned in a Broken Silicon that Intel bragged about having as many software engineers as AMD had total employees. They have more resources and the market share to brute force the software to work with Intel. There are some AMD stability problems though that aren't a Microsoft or AMD issue and is due to user error/ignorance/negligence. Ancient Gameplays has talked about this a lot and has many videos and tutorials on these topics that involve motherboard chipset drivers, clearing old drivers correctly, and other updating new drivers properly. Doing these right can fix a lot of issues that people blame AMD or Windows for. At this point AMD has improved their drivers a lot so to say they're not fixing things or that they're all a mess isn't fully accurate. Again how you update the drivers can be the issue in itself. Your chipset drivers have to be updated too.
Intel needs to be more efficient and reliable not just more powerful. AMD knew it early in CPUs while Nvidia knew early with GPUs. With switch, Nvidia also might be willing to go just breakeven to stay into a console market because they've lost the war with Playstation and Xbox. They will keep continue to use AMD due to backwards compatibility issues.
Nvidia Will never be in an xbox or playstation (again) because the profit margins on those chips are too low. With the switch its a tiny little chip and its nintendo so people will pay through the nose.
@@FMBriggsYou think we’ll ever see another Nvidia Shield?
@@FMBriggs No one likes not making money. Nvidia made a bid for PS6, they lost.
Console chips are a steady high-volume long-term income for AMD, I guess. PS5 already sold 61.7 million units and Xbox Series X and S 28.3 million units. Overall AMD probably delivered 100+ million chips for these generation consoles. Margins are probably lower on these due to high volume nature. PS5 was announced in 2019 and launched 2020. They will probably be cooking the same chip for 5-10 years in large quantities.
Microsoft could switched to Snapdragon x series to increased number game on windows ARM .
Great video, especially enjoyed Switch 2 analysis.
Yesss Tom!! I asked and I have received!! I’ll be joining patreon to further support this channel and news breaking leaks that other channels are late to the game on! Keep it up!!
Smart move by Nintendo, the Steam Deck is way too heavy especially for kids
I have a kid's hands basically (too small) and i hate the Switch's joycons.
Yeah, I hate the weight of the Steam Deck. It's a lot more fatiguing than a Switch.
Ngl, after having a Wii U: when I first tried it, it felt...to lightweight.
@@raeesrichards6786 Yeah, I feel you. The Switch always felt like a toy to me after the Wii U. I felt like I was going to break it every time I died in Breath of The Wild.
yeah, and the battery life, man.. it's so bad
Tom will have a full beard or mustache again in a week
If you put your ear next to his chin, you can hear the beard growing.
He will need to grow it back before playing his pink Switch Lite.
The switch developments are exciting!
Has Intel figured out an automatic way to do APO for Arrow Lake, without needing hand crafted APO settings for each game, like it was in the RPL?
APO gives crazy gains to the games it's used on and power usage gets almost halved, i remember Tom saying something about intel trying to fix the e-core usage in games without APO, for Arrow Lake.
Is that still a thing?
Maybe they should repair the chips first
I pray some 3rd party probes the map out of the screen at launch and offers a OLED mod. I only wish to buy the switch 2 once. Giving Nintendo money is so hard with how they manage their ips and consoles.
Tom be breaking the internet every goddamn day with his leaks. Let's goooo!!!
This is my favorite channel for leaks. Always on point and no bullshit.
He's been on point lately. PS5 Pro, Switch 2, etc.
I just like the drama of it all and how it keeps tech news interesting and fun to talk about with fellow nerds. Really excited about this Switch 2. The system is probably Nintendo's most relatively powerful system since the GameCube (their best console ever. FIGHT ME!)
@@samson7294 you’re awesome. GameCube is my favorite console. For real.
@@svee7597 a fellow man of culture, i see! lol! Hope you get one on launch!
I was dubious for awhile, but he’s pretty damn good.
His Zen 5 leaks missed the mark by a lot.
Would be interesting design if the dock has the fan. Makes the device lighter and saves space. Saves also some energy as fan uses some power. Then you have to rely on passive cooling in handheld mode. It’s a much bigger device than flagship phones. Rumors say it’s 4 TFLOPS. That’s 2x of flagship mobile phones. But this could be docked mode. Flagship phone performance in handheld with no thermal throttling is possible with the larger chassis. Then it would be slightly faster than PS4 in handheld mode and close to PS4 Pro in docked mode.
That ”small” battery is 60% bigger than iPhone 15 Pro. Seems completely doable. Numbers match.
A bit concerned about the power draw of Arrowlake. I think they are going to be TSMC chips this time so maybe the power efficiency will be actually good? Idk. 65 to 95 watts would be nice.
65-95w for what part though? 16 or 24 high performance cores just ain't doing that. The 9950x pulls like 230w under full load too
I don't think any of the previous core cpus were inefficient silicon, they just chose to push them beyond what was reasonable which on the efficiency curve is in the mad overclocker territory. You require twice to thrice the energy and cooling capacity for sometimes less than 10% gains. They still had 65W and 35W versions of Raptor Lake. They actually perform amazingly well considering the node disadvantage they trapped themselves in. The inefficiency was merely any means necessary to score benchmark victories over Ryzen 9
They chopped 100-50W across the whole line, but yes they canceled 20A node and are going with TSMC for these. Next chance for intel's fab is 18A, which may land in late 2026 to consumers.
@@tyoung319 Will the 18a have the same socket or will we have to replace our mobo's? Anyone know if they tried to fix the ILM issue , heard it's the same problem with mounting pressure for AIO's...
i have a 12900k but have a hobby/passion for upgrading - if I see 15-20% performance bump, I'd be tempted to upgrade. I game, but I also do content creation using max, and adobe programs. Even with a 420 aio, I was always nervous about heat and throttling issues. Thoughts?
And Oxidation ??
Hopefully nintendo announces this soon
These performance estimates for ARL are frankly disappointing considering it's a jump from Intel 7 (RLR) to TSMC N3B (ARL), alongside a much more advanced packaging compared to Zen. This does not bode well for Intel's margins.
I think Zen4 will still be competing hard against Arrow lake and Zen5
Nah hahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂
The X3D chips will be competing for gaming. I expect the 7800X3D to still beat AL in some games.
@@lightward9487Yes the 7800x3d is the king of gaming.
X3d in gaming, nothing else really. Intel pulls away in workloads in their price segment. The 13600kf gives similar performance to the 9700x in workloads, meaning the 245(i think thats the i5 lol) will see gains above that. The 265 will likely be near the top of MT performance and sit under the X3d in gaming while beating the none 3XD chips like we have typically seen. if the 7950X is still $500ish thats a tough sell. The 7700x at $250 is more attractive, but still a tough sell depending how much the I5 is.
Looks like ARL won't even catch up to Zen 4. So AMD will keep competing with themselves only.
great update!
Hey Tom, look up images of the back side of the switch OLED. The flap is already there.
Your issue with the switch 2 power consumption is you are using the total consumption chart for comparison to the SoC consumption.
Screen takes up battery too, and the resolution is going up to 1080p. Meaning more energy consumption.
There are rumors of multiple screens too, which... imo doesn't make sense. But who knows.
5w SoC sure. The most energy efficient 1080p screens take 4w or so. Then you have the other chips, caps, leakage, etc...
Probably looking at a 10-12w draw which puts the increase battery size in the same lifespan, roughly.
Screen power consumption is usually based on how bright you want the screen. Also Nintendo are going for 60Hz still so it won't use that much power. Probably 2-3w at most, maybe 4w with the brightness maxed out but tbf that would wash all the black levels out.
You are missing the point - Nintendo wants lower SOC power this gen in handheld mode.
Not at all, you were comparing the SoC power draw to the total draw of the first switch.
My comment is in direct response to your statements. Not magically disassociated.
@MooresLawIsDead
@Loundsify and that is 4w to 10w on a LED.
@@thisisashanbased on what? Steamdeck uses 5w for it's screen.
Great video, as always
That notch in the kickstand is also present on the current Switch OLED.
Well. I will assume the Switch 2 will use more than 5 Watts. The APU sure… the whole System however… different Story. The (V)RAM needs Power too, the Controller as well. The Board too. I will assume that’s why Nintendo said 5Watts for the SOC.
I'm so hyped for switch 2, I hope the battery life can stay 3-5 hours for demanding games, my rog ally last like 50 minutes ..
bet AMD is salty about that, switch sold like coffee everywhere
It's gonna last 2 hours for really demanding games.
@@byte-bg4ob , NIntendo is monster in battery specs, they alwys optimized the hardware to have longer battery life.
If it's a bigger battery already at 5w it'll easily be 6-8hrs on battery.
Yeah but graphics are bad
Do we think they will have two types of consoles on release? LCD and OLED? I really want an OLED screen
Doubt it. Nintendi likes midgen refreshes for portables.
Won’t be oled screen. Unless u want to pay 500-600.
@@godnamedtay Yaeah I rather they go for lcd and keep it about 400$
Wouldn't be surprised if its using the same LCD as the PS Portal, dimensions and resolution specs are the same, etc
@@godnamedtay
A 7” OLED doesn’t cost $100
It’s like $15 Manufacturing cost
BUT Nintendo will withhold it specifically to use it in a refresh
Those notches are usually where the speakers are.
Here for the switch comments. So we had a supposed leak & no news about a ginmick?
The leaks say there will be 2 fan, one inside the Switch and another in the Dock, and in the photo of the prototype under the JoyCon this could be where the fan goes.
Impressive specs for the Switch 2
2000 points at 4.5GHz? My Alder Lake i7-12700K reaches 1952 at 4.7GHz. Arrow Lake looks like a flop to me.
Difference is 4.7ghz is near the top for 12700k, and you are missing 8 cores in MT. Stock 12700k is on GB6 at 2500/13000. That is significantly lower than the 3400/20000+ we have seen leaked at stock or under stock settings from the 265k. If there is any OC overhead, add another 5-10%.
@@tyoung319 So in a video about IPC and single thread, you think 8 missing cores and OC overhead is relevant?
As a laptop chip mind you. The flagship desktop chip is at 2581 single score.
I’m here early. Arrow lake is coming !
What we need to keep in mind , is that of course by applying more power we get more computing capacity . But it does not scale linearly. Far from it. The more power we apply , the less the increase in computing power we get.
So, assessing 2 processors at 250 W?? I do not know . I am all for desktop computing , and for utilising power over 30 watts,butI think up to 120 Watts is reasonable . Beyond that, it is insane , and it is because of this , Intel would void your guarrantee if you stressed the proc to these levels in more reasonable times.
Intel at the latest years resorted to these power levels because it found itself unbelieveably behind in lithography. So it had to make up for it somehow. But now that they use nodes close or perhaps the same in the future with Apple, I think they need to cool down.
I'm predicting fan on the switch 2 dock
This means that a year after launch when it is proven that the cpus do not break, we will have a decent Intel product.
Raptor broke because intels fabrication was ass, they're using Tsmc for Arrow Lake and Lunar lake meaning they'll be more reliable
@@NothingNewNerd Good point, with TSMC it should be better.
Meteor Lake never had those issues
I just hope they solve the controller lag. I can especially feel it in broforce.
Intel needs to be more efficient and reliable not just more powerful.
12:14 There's nothing pointing to that notch being anything special. All the dockable Switch models have them. It's just there to help it align with the dock.
Your last timestamp is messed up (“11:0 7”) fyi
It would be nice if they put a bit bigger battery on it though, if its going to run well at 5 watts then a 30wh battery (rather than 20) would be nice.
5W? I'm concerned about the performance being bad in handheld mode, and also the performance gulf between that and docked. We shall see.
It'll be able to display switch 1 games docked performance in handheld
I bet Nintendo will offer an option to choose either 30fps battery saving mode or 60fps performance mode
@@damara2268I bet that won't be a thing.
It would be interesting if the fan lived in the docking station and force fed air to the Switch while they it was docked
Literally don't care for Intel's benchmark performance until we see its real-world failure rate.
Its using tsmc just like amd
It's probably going to be fine, it wasn't rushed like raptor lake and it's a totally different design. Still, people will distrust them anyway and they only have themselves to blame. If AMD didn't reach historic levels of fumbling the bag, stumbling at the last hurdle etc they would be screwed.
You could also just stop it from running at over 1.6 volts yourself and guarantee that it's safe. Do you people not remember that amd had to cap voltages on zen 4 to 1.3v because going much higher was literally lighting them up yet yall are somehow suprised RPL was degrading to failure eventually with wayyy higher voltages. I'm suprised they lasted remotely that long. Itd be like running ur cpu at 115°C
We haven't seen any data showing mass failures, the narrow data we have seen showed even "defective" intel 13/14th gen having a lower failure rate than AMD. I would take that with a grain of salt, but with 40M cpus sold last year, we would see it more out in the open if it were some mass wide spread issue.
Wait at least 12 months before even considering ARL.
funny becausr the most common switch cases/mods are ones that make it bulky so it feels better in my hands
great stuff keep it up
Just 5 watts on handheld mode is insane. The original Switch (1.1 Mariko chip) had already really really good battery life for a handheld and it was very light and comfortable, it didnt get hot at all. I don't see why make it less than that required, and you cant have too much difference between handheld and docked because the game still has to look similar in some way and perform about the same otherwise it would feel weird to lets say play 30fps in handheld and 60fps in docked.
Docked will be aiming for higher resolutions so frame rates will likely be the same targets unless a Dev has targeted for 60fps from the beginning. E.g prince of Persia style.
Unless AL's architecture benefits more from Windows 24H2 than RL did, I don't see a firm win for AL in gaming yet. In fact, I don't see at all over X3D.
Without a cache bump it probably wont happen. I market segment wise designing chips specifically for gamers is bad idea. Intel needs to see solid productivity gains with a power shave, which it looks like thats what we will get. Lot more people will buy a $300-500 cpu for work than they will for gaming, when strapped for cash focusing on you core is good.
According to leaks ARL won't even catch up to the 7800X3D. So AMD won't have any competition for years.
I actually think both 7800X3D and 9800X3D refresh will be slower than the flagship Arrow Lake because Zen5 is not a gaming architecture and Intel will support even faster memory. The 14900K is only 6% slower than the 7800X3D in Hardware Unboxed data. Not hard to beat.
And please, don't forget than Zen5 loses to Zen4 in many games even with the Windows 11 24H2 update.
@@tyoung319 ok zen 4 3D is on average 20 % faster than zen 4 itself. On top of that the 3d models have a 10% lower clocks. On the same architecture.
A reasonable performance uplift (10+) with significantly improved power consumption and (hopefully!) no degradation issues is a big win for Intel.
Nice hair, keep it that way man. Suits you
9:35 Also, don't forget, Nintendo's central audience is kids. And children simply do not have the strength of adults. A heavy handheld, and the player is going to run out of battery before the console does.
Only a girl can say something like oh this is for kids
Definitely interesting stuff here
It does seem arrow lake would be intel's saving grace this year. Better single threaded performance than ryzen 9000 series, and yeah, it depends also on gaming performance, so I'll wait for actual testing from reviewers
I’ll take 12-15%. With all things considered that arrow lake is bringing, much lower tdp, better ram speeds and memory latency. I’m happy with that tbh.
I think best case scenario for intel is to release a cpu that doesn't rust in 6 months
Comment for alg. Thank you for the info, man
Sadly, the 12900k will be the last intel CPU I buy for a long while, maybe ever. I do not care what performance some future chip launches with when I can reasonably expect problems that diminish that performance or even render the chip useless.
I’m just particularly butthurt because I had hoped to upgrade the CPU to 13 or 14 whenever they went on clearance but now, if I had a 14900k I might be looking through ebay for a 12900k replacement!
Will 12gb ram be enough for the coming 7 years? Since the switch generation lasts almost 8 years now, hope it can run some third party triple A games without major compromises
12 gigs is ded on arrival pretty much. Unless they pull a 16gig at the last minute. The original switch was 2gb believe it or not, but some 1st party devs were crying to nintendo and they decided on 4gb.
It seems like it'll be as powerful or more powerful than Series S. The Series S already struggles to run certain games but most Switch 2 ports would probably be super targeted and optimized and run a bit better. I could see something like Cyberpunk 2077 running on it pretty well. Especially since games might be using DLSS by default but we still have to see if that's the case
Hard to say but for 1080P yes. Anything beyond that… it depends. Probably manageable to a certain degree for the next few Years but maybe not the full next 7 Years.
it's enough for what the system is capable of
@@ADreamingTravelerwhat games does series s struggle with? I played cyberpunk baldurs gate 3 and bo6 with zero issues.
Well, guess I have to wait for switch 2 to get homebrewed so I can get proper performance.
Nintendo always made sure to make a profit even on their consoles unlike the other companies (Microsoft, Sony), so having the joycons be magnetic makes sense. People'll be dropping their console on the ground while holding onto the joycons 🤣
New hair style for new generation of chips
This is very interesting so their skipping calling the chips 15200/15900
12:18 bruh, it's the same new kickstand design as the OLED Switch from 2021. And those lateral slits are the speakers. Again, just like the OLED.
I do like clean shaven Tom better
7:00 thank you doggy! I'm sure it is exactly what he says!
Has Tom ever leaked anything about in which node is Bartlett Lake made on, since it's coming out next year, i'd presume Intel3 or 18A, but since this is intel, they won't port the architecture from 10nm+/intel7.
At the same time though, a Meteor Lake Refresh on intel3(instead of intel4) might be the i3 for Arrow Lake's generation.
Wait... the music changed... I am so confused now.
new intel chip might be good.... comments all about switch 2
priorities correct.
TBH I'm not even sure why nVidia wants to make hardware for such a historically low effort hardware brand like Nintendo consoles...
The money they're making of off stuff like this is likely chump change anyway. And it does nothing for their "image" either.
My only theory that's making semi-sense, is that to spite AMD and not let them get the full credit for being the entire backbone of the current, it's mid refresh and next gen console gaming space (hence a more and more dedicated eye from the software/gaming developers on them)
Either way, couldn't care less about anything related to Nintendon't lol
I like the new music in the beginning mr
Let’s goooooo
so switch2 144p DLSS to 720p confirmed?
144p to 4K
Any updates on the 9000 series x3d series? Why the delay? Are they still overclockable? Any chance at faster infinity fabric?
AMD doesn’t know how to be no.1. AMD wants to see the performance of arrow lake and price the x3D chip accordingly.
@@kelvinjinxdno, not gonna happen.
@@kelvinjinxdNo! First dies always go to EPYC and then Ryzen and then enough stock is given to X3D packaging and finally enough stock is built up to create retail channels. There is always a delay to X3D release.
@@AleraKira Least bought sku that needs the highest binning, gaming is pretty niche compared to server and workstation needs. But the get the best chips of the batches, great if you are a gamer.
@@kelvinjinxd That's what I'm afraid of. If Intel disappoints again the 9800X3D will be $500+
I just wish nintendo would publish their games on pc
Good video.
This commment to help with the algoritme.
8nm or 4nm?
Kinda early for your standards, Tom, but I'll take it lol.
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I wish the Switch 2 had gone for 16 GB, but Nintendo gonna Nintendo. Maybe we can hope for a Switch 2 Pro at some point.
to be fair the switch 1 OS is pretty light on RAM usage (consuming around 1GB if I'm not mistaken). if they were to use that again they'd have 11GB for games, which pretty comparable to other current machines (I'm pretty sure both the series x and PS5 allocate only a little bit more of RAM for the games).
Intel is always faking their stats, can’t say that even about zen5.
lol as if we havent seen AMD do that as well XD as usual, wait until after release to see actual unbiased tests.
Most of performance improvement amd was claiming for zen5 in their presentations turned out to be fake, real improvement was half of what they were telling.
Is it really going to be made in 8nm??
And after we finally escaped the Intel decade of BS, why are we so happy to have them back on top?
We deserve all the crap that we get from these anticonsumer corporations.
Because there needs to be competition to prevent another decade of stagnation or else AMD will become complacent to.
@@amartinez97 first, we haven't scaped Intel yet, but people make it sound like AMD already has a 90% market share in the CPU market and already forgave all of Intel illegal actions and anticonsumer things they did to us and AMD.
Second, talking about 90% market share, how come nobody is doing their part (buying AMD gpus) instead of bending over to Ngreedia?
Competition my behind, it only matters when it's your favorite company losing.
@@grtitann7425AMD is capacity limited they cant address all the markets at the same time. Intel would never go under they are the only western manufacturer of advanced semiconductors they'll get bailed out.
@@grtitann7425 Ngreedia still offers more QOL that AMD gpus.
Its TSMC 3nm so it should have better ST. I still think the 9800x3d will be faster.
I actually think the 9800X3D will be slower than the flagship Arrow Lake because Zen5 is not a gaming architecture and Intel will support even faster memory.
@@Patrick73787 Games like cache far more than faster memory. Extra cache increases the perceived memory bandwidth exponentially.
@@tstager1978 Zen5 is a flop as it has performance regression in way too many games vs Zen4 even with the Windows11 24H2 update. Putting V-cache on top won't make it significantly faster than Zen4 X3D. Go watch Hardware Unboxed reviews. The scaling between those two will be the same. The brand new 7600X3D is slower than the 14600K, both 7900X3D and 7950X3D are slower than the 14900K. The 7800X3D is the only AMD CPU that currently beats Intel in most games. Arrow lake doesn't have to do much to crush both Zen4 X3D and its Zen5 X3D successor. Arrow Lake has more cache and faster memory support. Zen5 and Zen5 X3D have no cache increase relative to their predecessors and re-use the same DDR5 controller. Those are the key aspects that matter the most for gaming.
Makes you wonder if you can run youtube/web browser on 5W, plus 2D games only.
Arrow Lake looks to be good and not gimped on DDR5 speed either. I can't wait to see 285K/265K vs 9800X3D and first then, I will make my decision. Unless Arrow Lake is a slam dunk then I probably won't wait another 3+ months for 9800X3D because I don't really think it will be faster than 10-15% over 7800X3D in gaming and 25% in applications.
Conebench r23 for core ultra 9 285k is Single core score 2581 and multicore is 43011. That’s a significant improvement.
Doesn't r23 use avx2?
Algorithm Appeasing Alliteration!