I was never a Mesa player. Never cared for the Dual Rectifier when it came out. Played through it many times in the studio back in the day. Never played one of these however... if only I’d known back then ... I’d have snatched one up and kept it. The Holy Grail of Mesa . Killer tone.
Amazing clips of the amp that really does it justice! I have a similar Mark IIC+ (it is also has the Master 1 labeled as Gain Boost, rather than Pull Deep, graphic EQ, etc., through mine is a long head). What power transformer/power amp does it have. Mine is the Simul Class with the export (X101). You really showcase how sticky and harmonically rich the amp can be (especially when the mids aren't completely scooped out!). My experience is that recordings don't truly capture how 3D this amp is in the room, and can't show how this amp cuts through when playing live. (Even when when you are quieter than everyone else!) Your greenback tones were also top notch! I love that you actually showed the clean tone as well--since there is a lack of people showcasing how well the IIC+ can do clean. I'm currently primarily using my IIC+ for cleans, so I would love to see some settings you find.
I've never heard these boogies sound so good until the last day or so. I'm particularly surprised because I used to own a mk 3 and I always thought they were pretty much the same thing as the iic. Mine had the simulclass option though and I never really loved the tone. I was much younger and didn't know jack about tweaking these amps. I went Marshall, everything on 10 and that's all she wrote. Your amp sounds amazing and I'm happy to hear it, because I'd been disillusioned with boogie since.
Same for me, tried a IV at a store for an hour 15 years ago, HATED it. Though I've been listening to Mark IIC+, IIIs, IV's, VII's, and the JP2C and I'm addicted to the unique character of the distortion. JUST bought a Mark III yesterday, waiting on it, hopefully I can get close to these great tones I've been hearing, especially now that I know how to adjust them.
(sigh) back in 1980 I bought this amp new ($1,138.00 combo)...had a EV speaker loaded.....I didn't know the popularity of this amp in today's $$$$'s......I know back then it gave the sound that was awesome....my sound...Had thr Mark 1......fell in love with the Boogie tones. JP Boogie....here we come...lol
Have an 87” Mark III red stripe. Simul class. Sounds close to the Mark iic+ but doesnt get that harmonic richness as much. Plus the mid gain stuff on the iic+ is UNREAL sounding. Im on the hunt for a iic+ now. Hope one pops up soon. I NEED this.
I have had them all, still do, and sold them all back in the 80's working at strings and things in Memphis. the mark iic+ mark 3 purple and red stripe, mark 3 blue stripe and the last one mark 3 green stripe, they are all so close almost no real discernible difference between all of them. they are all the same amp with minor tweaks. Mike at boogie will tell you that. Even the mark IV was so close in sound, it just got more technical with some separate eq where the others shared the eq across the channels. it makes sense all of them being a mark series amps, if they were vastly different they wouldn't have just swiped each version with just a magic marker swipe or a black dot or a + sign. The big difference in the IIC+ and the Mark III was the third channel. Mesa got noticeably different with the Mesa badging vs the Boogie badges. The Rectifier series,The lone star, Road King,Nomad, etc came later and did sound different... The stiletto was probably the most different being EL34 based shooting toward the Marshall tone. Even my newer Mark 5 EL84 based amp sits in my studio with the older mark III'S and it too sounds really close even all these years later with totally different power section/ tubes. The petrucci amp is a modern Mark amp and you can line up all the Mark series amps and NO one in the audience would ever know the difference and most guitar players blind folded couldn't pick them out one from the other especially with the transparent EVM 12L black shadow speaker or an MC-90 black shadow. The IIC+ landed in the right time to become the flagship vintage boogie. Thats when 80's music was huge and that amp was produced at the right time for the players who made it famous. I would argue a Mark III purple, red, blue or green could have been used by the players who made the IIC+ famous and those albums and concerts wouldn't have sounded any different.
I know the JP-2C+ exists, but they should reissue the original IIC+ It’d also be nice if they added a switch on the back to switch between a IIC+ and a IIC++
Is the end effectively a spin on the acoustic version of Pardon Me? Listened to this demo too many times and just now picked up on this. This is a great demo and I am really loving your channel.
Not just IIC+ but one of the best Mark series clips I've heard. Why in the world would Mesa try to improve on this? I've never read a comment where someone preferred a Mark III or IV over a IIC+. Seems like Mesa was selling to many MK IIC+'s and Randall wanted to slow down production.
Mesa wanted to make amps better setup for gigging, which eventually brought them to the V and JP2C. Besides that though they weren't able to continue building the IIC+ because parts sourcing issues and regulations prohibiting them from making the transformers. There are also people that prefer a IV to a IIC+ because the IV lead tone is a bit different than the rest of the lineup.
As I've commented on similar videos. I have a Mark Five 25 which has 3 high gain modes. IIC+, IV and extreme. I typically play on Mark IV mode. I find it has a slightly clearer high gain tone than IIC+ does. To me IIC+ is slightly muddy. Blake has a Mark IV video just like this one. Take a listen and I think you'll agree with my comment.
I do. But only because my 2c+ lacks gain. The 5 is my favorite. Now I need to get my hands on a jp2c. A 2c+ with more gain and 2 independent graphic eq!!!! Sounds like the holy grail.
Sounds great as usual. Could you please tell me the signal chain and what post processing you used? Also, I'd really like to know which IR you used? By that I mean single mic, dual mic, room mic etc. The Ownhammer libraries are pretty extensive after all. Thanks in advance!
wildealien Hey man, for the Gained up stuff, all knobs are pulled except for the bass, and volume 1 is optional. Treble on 7, bass on 0, mids on 3. Hope that helps
Hey according to Wikipedia, 2c+ say “pull deep” on the master 1. Yours says “gain boost”, which Wikipedia says is a 2c. Is Wikipedia wrong? Have u had the 2c+ mod done?
hi man .. tell us more about IR used Ownhammer Bogner 4x12 V30s ... bundle Ownhammer very expansive and lots files ... what IR exacly ?? only Ir none mic ... guita> amp > ir?? amazing sound
Had the same head.. True story bought mine with an Anvil case and two no name white van carpet pa speakers for $125.00 at a yard sale. Sold the speakers for $125.00 and wound up with the Mesa for Free.. Then the worst thing I ever did was sell it for close to a couple grand. Yes I made big cash but lost something I will never have again..
Yes. I'm a big fan of modeling tech, and I feel like many other amps can be modeled quite nicely, but I've never found one that can do the IIC+ just right. That top end sizzly harmonic stuff is never there.
You didn't do much justice to the clean sound. I would use an EMG 81 in the bridge with a basswood guitar + a fairly neutral EQ setup + chorus. Similar to a JC120, you know that cold Dream Theater/Metallica clean?
I appreciate this kind of sound and I can dwell on it on my own amp a little more than I should but in my day the famous Mesa Boogie sound was this... th-cam.com/video/Ot6pSrKT1oc/w-d-xo.html What happened :?
Nice tones and playing. It would be nice to at least see your hands, though. I assume you’re trying to show your settings, but you could start off each section with a shot of the settings and then switch to you playing. Staring at the amp head the whole time gets a little boring.
This is wholesome content. Perfect selection of riffs too!
Leon Todd Thanks man. Loved your Mark IV video. Really want to get one and put it next to this C+ in a clip
@@blakemansfield2356 I think you'll rip a whole in the space-time continuum with that setup!
I was never a Mesa player. Never cared for the Dual Rectifier when it came out. Played through it many times in the studio back in the day. Never played one of these however... if only I’d known back then ... I’d have snatched one up and kept it. The Holy Grail of Mesa . Killer tone.
JMP2204 Rocker You’d love it man
Coming from a Marshall guy, it carries a lot of weight.
The holy grail, why did i ever sell mine, the amps best ability is its so musicaly inspiring to play through
Damn you get some great sounds. Love this amp too.
Amazing clips of the amp that really does it justice! I have a similar Mark IIC+ (it is also has the Master 1 labeled as Gain Boost, rather than Pull Deep, graphic EQ, etc., through mine is a long head). What power transformer/power amp does it have. Mine is the Simul Class with the export (X101). You really showcase how sticky and harmonically rich the amp can be (especially when the mids aren't completely scooped out!). My experience is that recordings don't truly capture how 3D this amp is in the room, and can't show how this amp cuts through when playing live. (Even when when you are quieter than everyone else!) Your greenback tones were also top notch! I love that you actually showed the clean tone as well--since there is a lack of people showcasing how well the IIC+ can do clean. I'm currently primarily using my IIC+ for cleans, so I would love to see some settings you find.
Great playing and tones!
I've never heard these boogies sound so good until the last day or so. I'm particularly surprised because I used to own a mk 3 and I always thought they were pretty much the same thing as the iic. Mine had the simulclass option though and I never really loved the tone. I was much younger and didn't know jack about tweaking these amps. I went Marshall, everything on 10 and that's all she wrote. Your amp sounds amazing and I'm happy to hear it, because I'd been disillusioned with boogie since.
Same for me, tried a IV at a store for an hour 15 years ago, HATED it. Though I've been listening to Mark IIC+, IIIs, IV's, VII's, and the JP2C and I'm addicted to the unique character of the distortion. JUST bought a Mark III yesterday, waiting on it, hopefully I can get close to these great tones I've been hearing, especially now that I know how to adjust them.
(sigh) back in 1980 I bought this amp new ($1,138.00 combo)...had a EV speaker loaded.....I didn't know the popularity of this amp in today's $$$$'s......I know back then it gave the sound that was awesome....my sound...Had thr Mark 1......fell in love with the Boogie tones. JP Boogie....here we come...lol
Man, wish I had bought one a few years ago. They were still expensive but at least available. Can't even find one now.
Sounds fantastic!!Great playing as well!Subscribed.
Thanks!
straight fire 🔥🔥🔥
Outstanding. Thank you for sharing your video. :)
Wooooww :-O great sounds
Have an 87” Mark III red stripe. Simul class. Sounds close to the Mark iic+ but doesnt get that harmonic richness as much. Plus the mid gain stuff on the iic+ is UNREAL sounding. Im on the hunt for a iic+ now. Hope one pops up soon. I NEED this.
I have a IIC Simulclass. Mint condition. Wish I'd had it modded to C+
GREAT demo vid......
God what I would give for that amp! Perfect tone! 🤘
Jim Dewd Guitars Thanks Brother
Congrats, looks super clean.
Thaymz It is insanely clean. Headshell is not, but the chassis looks new. Insane
I have had them all, still do, and sold them all back in the 80's working at strings and things in Memphis. the mark iic+ mark 3 purple and red stripe, mark 3 blue stripe and the last one mark 3 green stripe, they are all so close almost no real discernible difference between all of them. they are all the same amp with minor tweaks. Mike at boogie will tell you that. Even the mark IV was so close in sound, it just got more technical with some separate eq where the others shared the eq across the channels. it makes sense all of them being a mark series amps, if they were vastly different they wouldn't have just swiped each version with just a magic marker swipe or a black dot or a + sign. The big difference in the IIC+ and the Mark III was the third channel. Mesa got noticeably different with the Mesa badging vs the Boogie badges. The Rectifier series,The lone star, Road King,Nomad, etc came later and did sound different... The stiletto was probably the most different being EL34 based shooting toward the Marshall tone. Even my newer Mark 5 EL84 based amp sits in my studio with the older mark III'S and it too sounds really close even all these years later with totally different power section/ tubes. The petrucci amp is a modern Mark amp and you can line up all the Mark series amps and NO one in the audience would ever know the difference and most guitar players blind folded couldn't pick them out one from the other especially with the transparent EVM 12L black shadow speaker or an MC-90 black shadow. The IIC+ landed in the right time to become the flagship vintage boogie. Thats when 80's music was huge and that amp was produced at the right time for the players who made it famous. I would argue a Mark III purple, red, blue or green could have been used by the players who made the IIC+ famous and those albums and concerts wouldn't have sounded any different.
fantastic
My God , what is that drop d riff you were playing, sounds beyond incredible?!
Thanks man. Just a riff I’ve been kicking around
Man! I want one now!
sounds killer
Gary Foster Thanks man
Top sound
Is there a switch your using for the Saturated settings?
Killer demo as always. Amp sounds great. If for some reason you ever decide to sell that head let me know!
Chris Goodnow Will do!
I know the JP-2C+ exists, but they should reissue the original IIC+
It’d also be nice if they added a switch on the back to switch between a IIC+ and a IIC++
We all want this lol. Even if they cant reproduce the exact transformers of that era.
Is the end effectively a spin on the acoustic version of Pardon Me? Listened to this demo too many times and just now picked up on this. This is a great demo and I am really loving your channel.
Good ear! Yep- pardon me. Thanks man
I just figured out which load box and irs I want
Not just IIC+ but one of the best Mark series clips I've heard. Why in the world would Mesa try to improve on this? I've never read a comment where someone preferred a Mark III or IV over a IIC+. Seems like Mesa was selling to many MK IIC+'s and Randall wanted to slow down production.
Mesa wanted to make amps better setup for gigging, which eventually brought them to the V and JP2C. Besides that though they weren't able to continue building the IIC+ because parts sourcing issues and regulations prohibiting them from making the transformers. There are also people that prefer a IV to a IIC+ because the IV lead tone is a bit different than the rest of the lineup.
As I've commented on similar videos. I have a Mark Five 25 which has 3 high gain modes. IIC+, IV and extreme. I typically play on Mark IV mode. I find it has a slightly clearer high gain tone than IIC+ does. To me IIC+ is slightly muddy. Blake has a Mark IV video just like this one. Take a listen and I think you'll agree with my comment.
I do actually prefer the Mk IV over the IIC+
I do. But only because my 2c+ lacks gain. The 5 is my favorite. Now I need to get my hands on a jp2c. A 2c+ with more gain and 2 independent graphic eq!!!! Sounds like the holy grail.
@@protest9093 what regulations prevented boogie from making transformers?
Sounds great as usual. Could you please tell me the signal chain and what post processing you used? Also, I'd really like to know which IR you used? By that I mean single mic, dual mic, room mic etc. The Ownhammer libraries are pretty extensive after all. Thanks in advance!
+1!!!
reactive load is going to helix native loaded with Ownhammer bogner V30 legacy (mix 1)
Is there any sounding difference between IIA IIB IIC?
Jesus first couple seconds and it's Jerry Cantrell riffage! Good shit as always haha! Sounds solid. Did you run this into a load box?
Chris Day Yep- Suhr RL
Ugh, this makes me want to dust off my Studio Pre and 2:90!
Any chance you can delve into your settings for some of these sounds?
wildealien Hey man, for the Gained up stuff, all knobs are pulled except for the bass, and volume 1 is optional. Treble on 7, bass on 0, mids on 3. Hope that helps
I love the Proggy riff.
It’s like if Adam Jones played for Alice In Chains.
5:45 to 6:00 sounded like a mix of 5 minutes alone and girls girls girls. Lol
God I miss the 90s
Me too
Me 3 ! But it's funny you couldn't get any one to see this and thumbs up !?
Sounds great! What speakers are you running it through?
Michael Mojo Bogner 4x12 V30 IR
I had this amp in cream tolex and stupidly sold it when i was 25...i now have 2 mark III blue stripe heads...which are nasty
Would love to check out a Blue Stripe!
What song is from the riff @ 3:30?
First off these tones are incredible and two how and where did you get a iic+
Metallican99 Thanks man. Have to look VERY carefully ha
@@blakemansfield2356 Let me know if you're ever planning on selling that beauty. I'm so jealous rn haha.
Hey according to Wikipedia, 2c+ say “pull deep” on the master 1. Yours says “gain boost”, which Wikipedia says is a 2c. Is Wikipedia wrong? Have u had the 2c+ mod done?
I have a IIC Simulclass and it says "pull deep"
Hi. Whats the year of your amp ? Thanks
Goddamn, this sounds good!
Thanks man. It’s a killer amp
I love the frustrated inflection after missing the note in the Pink Floyd tune 😅
deedoubleohdoo LOL. I mean how could I miss the most important note?! Lol
Are the effects going into the amp or is it in post on the recording
Gary Foster You got it- Post
Was this a 60/100 or a Simul-Class head? Sounds absolutely killer!
Simul
hi man .. tell us more about IR used Ownhammer Bogner 4x12 V30s ... bundle Ownhammer very expansive and lots files ... what IR exacly ?? only Ir none mic ... guita> amp > ir?? amazing sound
reactive load is going to Ownhammer bogner V30 legacy (mix 1)
@@YsAbTones good !!! try my mark V w/ same ir .. thx !!1
HRG or DRG?
I might be going nuts, but I think at some point it sounded a little bit like Izzy Stradllin from Guns n' Roses
Had the same head..
True story bought mine with an Anvil case and two no name white van carpet pa speakers for $125.00 at a yard sale.
Sold the speakers for $125.00 and wound up with the Mesa for Free..
Then the worst thing I ever did was sell it for close to a couple grand.
Yes I made big cash but lost something I will never have again..
Richest harmonics ever in a high gain amp ...
Seek4Truth Glad that’s coming through in the clip. Pretty amazing
@@blakemansfield2356 i have jp-2C. One day i have to A/B it against your demo, but i think it is not as good as your amp
Yes. I'm a big fan of modeling tech, and I feel like many other amps can be modeled quite nicely, but I've never found one that can do the IIC+ just right. That top end sizzly harmonic stuff is never there.
@@natedogg1777 you should check out leave l Peavey Bravo and calling l valve king, they both sounds real close to this.
that whitesnake tone :-O
just got a Mark V. making a career out of trying to dial it in. I know it's in there somewhere...hehe.
dudefrombarrie 😂
You didn't do much justice to the clean sound. I would use an EMG 81 in the bridge with a basswood guitar + a fairly neutral EQ setup + chorus. Similar to a JC120, you know that cold Dream Theater/Metallica clean?
Before there was the SLO, there was the IIC+.....
I prefer the c+ over the slo
nice sound! speakers?
German Gonzalez Bogner 4x12 V30 IR
reactive load is going to Ownhammer bogner V30 legacy (mix 1)
Raaaaad
I'm here from Chris Impellitteri ....
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@@blakemansfield2356 The guitarist. He said this is what metallica used for Master of puppets
I appreciate this kind of sound and I can dwell on it on my own amp a little more than I should
but in my day the famous Mesa Boogie sound was this...
th-cam.com/video/Ot6pSrKT1oc/w-d-xo.html
What happened :?
Nice tones and playing. It would be nice to at least see your hands, though. I assume you’re trying to show your settings, but you could start off each section with a shot of the settings and then switch to you playing. Staring at the amp head the whole time gets a little boring.
play single notes mate